LPD Arrest HIGH School Student for Weapons Possession

[jslo]

http://www.littletongov.org/index.aspx?recordid=1414&page=242

Seems, after some quick research, some information may be missing. Didn't think having a weapon, on school grounds, if locked in car was illegal in itself. But it appears if you have no CHP it needs to be unloaded. Am I understanding this law correctly?

[ANADRILL]

Fucking stupid! The US has gone way too far left. In the 80's in the south it was commonplace to have shot guns and rifles in your vehicle. So the kid gets a felony, and now his chances for a decent job are screwed, so another mouth on the stamp...fucking ridiculous.

[GilpinGuy]

Back in high school in NY we used to leave our shotguns in our cars parked on school grounds so we could hunt after school. It was just normal and not a secret or anything. Now it would be a national news story.

[Skip]

I'm no lawyer, but doesn't age play into this as well? To possess a long gun, you have to be 18 and a pistol is 21, right?

[wctriumph]

I'm no lawyer, but doesn't age play into this as well? To possess a long gun, you have to be 18 and a pistol is 21, right?

I believe that you need to be 18 and 21 respectively to purchase but 18 to possess. Still, to be at high school and then shown another student you have a gun in the car, ...

[jslo]

My understanding, to purchase, that's correct. But concerning long guns, at least, younger than 18 hunt.

[Irving]

To purchase from an FFL.

I also did a double take (with my ears) when I heard they charged him with a felony when the gun never left the car.

[Goodburbon]

This is a great example of a young person exemplifying the national campaign, "If you see something, say something."

[Doc45]

Am I missing where it says a type of weapon? By reading the posts everyone is addressing a long gun, I didn't see any mention of the type in the brief statement on the district website.

We all know teenagers do stupid things, I also feel the brief statement is way too lacking on info to make any statement on whether it's stupid to charge the kid (age?) with a felony. There's too much not known to make blanket statements.

[jslo]

Am I missing where it says a type of weapon? By reading the posts everyone is addressing a long gun, I didn't see any mention of the type in the brief statement on the district website.

We all know teenagers do stupid things, I also feel the brief statement is way too lacking on info to make any statement on whether it's stupid to charge the kid (age?) with a felony. There's too much not known to make blanket statements.

It's kind of why I posted. Lack of information and clarification of the law. I "think" I'm ok for I have a CHP but, for those who don't, just trying to clarify what you can and can't have in your car on school property.

[kidicarus13]

This is a great example of a young person exemplifying the national campaign, "If you see something, say something."



This type of atitude will be prevelant with your anti-gun neighbors also after the advent of new laws regulating firearms.

[Monky]

I was just reading a news story the other day of a kid in Missouri. After a morning turkey hunt he locked it in his truck. Unloaded.

Eventually the charges were dropped. Some state rep is trying to change the law to where it's fine.


Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.

[Martinjmpr]

Here's the applicable law:




18-12-105.5. Unlawfully carrying a weapon - unlawful possession of weapons - school, college, or university grounds

(1) A person commits a class 6 felony if such person knowingly and unlawfully and without legal authority carries, brings, or has in such person's possession a deadly weapon as defined in section 18-1-901 (3) (e) (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=d1ccfd0fc1376cd48584c8cffdb7782d&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105.5%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=2&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-1-901&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzk-zSkAW&_md5=35ff63b4348a89c96d495024244184c0) in or on the real estate and all improvements erected thereon of any public or private elementary, middle, junior high, high, or vocational school or any public or private college, university, or seminary, except for the purpose of presenting an authorized public demonstration or exhibition pursuant to instruction in conjunction with an organized school or class, for the purpose of carrying out the necessary duties and functions of an employee of an educational institution that require the use of a deadly weapon, or for the purpose of participation in an authorized extracurricular activity or on an athletic team.

(2) (Deleted by amendment, L. 2000, p. 709, § 45, effective July 1, 2000.)

(3) It shall not be an offense under this section if:

(a) The weapon is unloaded and remains inside a motor vehicle while upon the real estate of any public or private college, university, or seminary; or

(b) The person is in that person's own dwelling or place of business or on property owned or under that person's control at the time of the act of carrying; or

(c) The person is in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance and is carrying a weapon for lawful protection of that person's or another's person or property while traveling; or

(d) The person, at the time of carrying a concealed weapon, held a valid written permit to carry a concealed weapon issued pursuant to section 18-12-105.1 (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=d1ccfd0fc1376cd48584c8cffdb7782d&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105.5%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=3&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-12-105.1&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzk-zSkAW&_md5=14d562f8a6db77f8cf0b67737370b530), as said section existed prior to its repeal; except that it shall be an offense under this section if the person was carrying a concealed handgun in violation of the provisions of section 18-12-214 (3) (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=d1ccfd0fc1376cd48584c8cffdb7782d&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105.5%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=4&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-12-214&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzk-zSkAW&_md5=99d044c0afbdd442dd71ae869b1d4ec1); or

(d.5) The weapon involved was a handgun and the person held a valid permit to carry a concealed handgun or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to part 2 of this article; except that it shall be an offense under this section if the person was carrying a concealed handgun in violation of the provisions of section 18-12-214 (3) (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=d1ccfd0fc1376cd48584c8cffdb7782d&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105.5%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=5&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2018-12-214&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzk-zSkAW&_md5=10d107c78e548dc696cc114801125f43); or

(e) The person is a school resource officer, as defined in section 22-32-109.1 (g.5), C.R.S. (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=d1ccfd0fc1376cd48584c8cffdb7782d&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105.5%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=6&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2022-32-109.1&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzk-zSkAW&_md5=61cbedcd385e4994394e75cb7a0db8f2), or a peace officer, as described in section 16-2.5-101, C.R.S. (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=d1ccfd0fc1376cd48584c8cffdb7782d&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105.5%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=7&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2016-2.5-101&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzk-zSkAW&_md5=7b62ff523d9c456e1da73e04d7eaba4d), when carrying a weapon in conformance with the policy of the employing agency as provided in section 16-2.5-101 (2), C.R.S. (http://web.lexisnexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=d1ccfd0fc1376cd48584c8cffdb7782d&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5bC.R.S.%2018-12-105.5%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=8&_butInline=1&_butinfo=COCODE%2016-2.5-101&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVzk-zSkAW&_md5=676d712c7c8e43f52be12293db48cdf4); or

(f) and (g) (Deleted by amendment, L. 2003, p. 1626, § 51, effective August 6, 2003.)

(h) The person has possession of the weapon for use in an educational program approved by a school which program includes, but shall not be limited to, any course designed for the repair or maintenance of weapons.



Emphasis added.


Note that the "unloaded and remains in the vehicle" exception to the law only applies to a college, university or seminary, it does not apply to elementary, junior high or high schools.

[Goodburbon]

This type of atitude will be prevelant with your anti-gun neighbors also after the advent of new laws regulating firearms.

Doesn't get much more 1984 than that. Paging the ministry of Love....

[sellersm]

Back in high school in NY we used to leave our shotguns in our cars parked on school grounds so we could hunt after school. It was just normal and not a secret or anything. Now it would be a national news story.

I carried my .22 rifle right into school, put it in my locker! I was on the school's rifle Target team and they let us just put them in our lockers! Our target range was in the basement of the school! Nothing like walking down the halls carrying your unloaded rifle!! But this was in the 70's... Back when people had sense and brains that actually worked.

[sellersm]

This type of atitude will be prevelant with your anti-gun neighbors also after the advent of new laws regulating firearms.

Or your fellow shoppers at WalMart...

[glenncal1]

Remember that girl at Cherokee Tail HS (I think) they wanted to expel because she had her ROTC drill rifle (an all wood rifle replica) in her car. Almost wrecked her chances for college.

[speedysst]

Well, the term Blue Falcon comes to mind here. What a great friend!
This is a great example of a young person exemplifying the national campaign, "If you see something, say something."

[crays]

Well, the term Blue Falcon comes to mind here. What a great friend!
Lol. Blue Falcon...haven't heard that for a while.

[crashdown]

Remember that girl at Cherokee Tail HS (I think) they wanted to expel because she had her ROTC drill rifle (an all wood rifle replica) in her car. Almost wrecked her chances for college.

I remember that one.
Also.. be sure not to bite your POP-Tart into the shape of an "L" because it might be held to resemble a gun...... or don't point and hold your thumb up because that could cause problems...... both true stories too.

[sellersm]

And heaven forbid that you actually imagine a hand grenade blowing up your imaginary bad guys...

[zteknik]

Back in high school in NY we used to leave our shotguns in our cars parked on school grounds so we could hunt after school. It was just normal and not a secret or anything. Now it would be a national news story.
I agree, we went to the same high school.[Coffee]

[SuperiorDG]

So my daughter knows the perp (Senior at Heritage) she says ""He seems kinda like a southern boy who would carry a gun cause he can." Her words.

[spongejosh]

It's kind of why I posted. Lack of information and clarification of the law. I "think" I'm ok for I have a CHP but, for those who don't, just trying to clarify what you can and can't have in your car on school property.


Correct, you can have a handgun locked in your car on school property if you have a permit.

18-12-214 (3) (a)
A permittee may have a handgun on the real property of the public school so long as the handgun remains in his or her vehicle and, if the permittee is not in the vehicle, the handgun is in a compartment within the vehicle and the vehicle is locked;