View Full Version : Controversial prom photo from Parker Colorado involving guns
kidicarus13
05-07-2015, 09:47
Any thoughts or just YEEHAW?
https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/mom-of-student-in-controversial-prom-photo-speaks-118294026077.html (https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/mom-of-student-in-controversial-prom-photo-speaks-118294026077.html)
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hurley842002
05-07-2015, 09:54
I think the photo clearly illustrates the view that most liberals have of gun owners, and to be honest, I'm not real fond of most folks who associate themselves with rebel flags and the like. With that said, I believe it's their right to take a pic with the flag.
Meh, kids do stupid shit. If it were a group of Hispanics holding the Mexican flag with guns we'd all think they were gang banging. That being said, this is not real news in my opinion.
I think the photo clearly illustrates the view that most liberals have of gun owners, and to be honest, I'm not real fond of most folks who associate themselves with rebel flags and the like. With that said, I believe it's their right to take a pic with the flag.
Well said
Chad4000
05-07-2015, 10:01
I think the photo clearly illustrates the view that most liberals have of gun owners, and to be honest, I'm not real fond of most folks who associate themselves with rebel flags and the like. With that said, I believe it's their right to take a pic with the flag.
agreed to an extent, but I think that's what they were going for...
buffalobo
05-07-2015, 10:03
1) Political correctness will a major factor in our country's down fall.
2) Social media is one of the bigger sticks that political correctness can use to beat individuals down.
3) Do not allow your kids to participate on social media without direct before posting supervision (or at all until independent as in our kids case)
4) Yeehaw
Great-Kazoo
05-07-2015, 10:07
One kid said they went along with it, but knew it was wrong?? That's the real issue. People afraid to stand up and say NO. Doesn't matter what it relates to. If you feel or believe what others are doing is wrong (or disagree with) and want you to participate. Have the backbone to say no. Don't come out afterward with some lame excuse .
Not controversial at all. It's clearly shows a disregard for others by a lack of safe gun handling.
The lady in red holding the AR looks like she has her finger inside the trigger guard. You should never do that. Especially around impressionable young people.
Other than that I don't see what the problem is.
Today's kids don't understand the long term implications of posting this stuff online which is unfortunate. FB, Twitter ( which I still don't get ) are all too self indulgent . Nobody cares what your dinner looks like or that your angry with your cat. My daughter will be heavily restricted. Once it's out there, it never goes away.
WTF were their parents thinking?? It's a PROM photo for cryin' out loud!!! Kids these days should know it's much less conspicuous to pose with a joint in your mouth, some liquor near by, and gang signs out tha window ya bish!!!
KestrelBike
05-07-2015, 10:38
I'd have assumed they were trolling.
ZERO THEORY
05-07-2015, 10:44
I'm always curious at people with Confederate accoutrements. More often than not, they don't hail from states that were a part of the former Confederacy. But I have a Gadsden flag, so I can't really hold that above them. However, even if they are from the former Confederate states, they were born so long after its dismantiling that it doesn't really seem to mean anything. Colonial flags, Gadsden flags, and the like represent an institution whose evolution we're all a part of. The Confederacy, like the Nazi party, is a dead institution whose flags and memorobilia don't really mean anything. What exactly are their proponents trying to represent with them?
They don't even understand that the flag they have is "The Battle Flag of Northern Virginia" not the Confederate Flag
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Original "Stars and Bars"
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They don't even understand that the flag they have is "The Battle Flag of Northern Virginia" not the Confederate Flag
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That would be the 3rd national post Mar. 4 1865. Still a Confederate flag.
I've seen people online express that they fly the confederate flag to express their support for states rights, but that's the only explanation I can ever remember hearing. I'm also interested in why people fly that flag.
I've seen people online express that they fly the confederate flag to express their support for states rights, but that's the only explanation I can ever remember hearing. I'm also interested in why people fly that flag.
Great question, especially considering the toll it took on our nation
RblDiver
05-07-2015, 11:39
I'm also interested in why people fly that flag.
I don't fly it, but I have one that I bought years ago during a school trip to the DC area. I bought it because I like the design (similar to the Scottish flag, where I have heritage), and pretty much because of anti-PCness. Sort of like the Draw Muhammed event, I got it precisely BECAUSE it was taboo.
The kids wanted to make a statement. Not sure what the statement is.
Like the swastika symbol, the "rebel" flag has been co-opted. Most who fly don't know what the symbolism represents.
Guaranteed there will be enough butt hurt to go around, as there always in with social media.
Chad4000
05-07-2015, 12:06
maybe they like dukes of hazard...
of course because of PC they had to remove that from the charger too.....
I don't fly it, but I have one that I bought years ago during a school trip to the DC area. I bought it because I like the design (similar to the Scottish flag, where I have heritage), and pretty much because of anti-PCness. Sort of like the Draw Muhammed event, I got it precisely BECAUSE it was taboo.
No one can argue that the design isn't cool. ;)
I think the flag actually means different things to different people.
Obviously, for some it is a symbol of racism.
I do think that some people just feel it is a symbol of "southern pride." I think these people display it more as a sign of being proud of being simple country folk.
theGinsue
05-07-2015, 12:42
States rights, not slavery, was the issue that precipitated the Civil War. Unfortunately, most people don't understand this fact and have bought the progressive stance on this hook, lines & sinker. Yes, most of the Southern (Confederate) States were in favor of slavery, but that was not the cause/point of the war against the Union. Because of this, the prevailing opinion today is that the Confederate flag stands for a pro-slavery belief. This just isn't accurate. In fact, the real concepts behind the Confederate and Gadsden flags are very similar. But, acknowledging that fact doesn't advance the progressives agenda.
People get too bend out of shape over minor, inconsequencial, meaningless stuff.
jerrymrc
05-07-2015, 12:44
maybe they like dukes of hazard...
of course because of PC they had to remove that from the charger too.....
I remember hearing a person ask about the flag on the "General Lee" once. The reply was "Because that is what rednecks do". Conversation overheard back in the day. [Coffee]
Growing up in the south, this flag was a source of southern pride. I remember black families having the flag proudly displyed in front of their house. To most people who live in the south this flag was just that, southern pride.. Today, anywhere outside of the South this flag means something completely different that others don't understand.
That being said, I doubt any of those kids have ever been to the south.
That being said, I doubt any of those kids have ever been to the south.
Well they live in Parker.
For the most part, kids that age not only don't think about consequences, but they enjoy being controversial because it gets them attention/admiration from friends. They hang in packs, and have a herd mentality. They are half-baked at best and likely thought that a theme involving cool hats and big 'old-fashioned' dresses and a confederate flag and guns would make hem "rebels" and give them instant cred among their peers at school. You know, the important stuff at that age.
Well they live in Parker.
And the guns didn't help in the Prom photo. That being said, it's a free speech thing. To each their own. If I got bent out of shape over everything I didn't agree with I'd be a pretty angry person.
My remark about Parker was meant to point out that Parker is on the South side of the metro area.
HoneyBadger
05-07-2015, 13:56
OMG the South is rising!! [panic] Those kids are so racist!!! [panic]
States rights, not slavery, was the issue that precipitated the Civil War. Unfortunately, most people don't understand this fact and have bought the progressive stance on this hook, lines & sinker. Yes, most of the Southern (Confederate) States were in favor of slavery, but that was not the cause/point of the war against the Union. Because of this, the prevailing opinion today is that the Confederate flag stands for a pro-slavery belief. This just isn't accurate. In fact, the real concepts behind the Confederate and Gadsden flags are very similar. But, acknowledging that fact doesn't advance the progressives agenda.
People get too bend out of shape over minor, inconsequencial, meaningless stuff.
Ginsue hits one out of the park, yet again!
Jeffrey Lebowski
05-07-2015, 14:10
to be honest, I'm not real fond of most folks who associate themselves with rebel flags and the like. With that said, I believe it's their right to take a pic with the flag.
I'm not really fond of it either, but I agree.
I'd have assumed they were trolling.
This as well. In spades.
Growing up in the south, this flag was a source of southern pride. I remember black families having the flag proudly displyed in front of their house. To most people who live in the south this flag was just that, southern pride.. Today, anywhere outside of the South this flag means something completely different that others don't understand.
I'm not from the South, but I did live in Charleston, SC. There is a time and place for everything. Historical events and places? ALL day. Re-enactments? Absolutely. In your garage? Whatever.
Granted, I grew up in the Great Lakes / Midwest and that was still "yankee" to some down there, but honestly a lot of it is Southern Pride, but a lot is trolling / anti-PC / get a rise / and as others have said, similar to the Gadsden. As you point out, in some circles, it clearly isn't a race thing at all.
I'm just fine with acknowledging it as history and the use in appropriate places. In that sense, not taboo at all.
Having said all that, I don't think it is "too PC" (or our country's downfall, or too thin skinned) to discourage the use just for the sake of trolling those who truly do feel it is a symbol of racial oppression or that sort of thing. It that sense, very taboo and I'd strongly discourage my kids from this sort of thing.
Bailey Guns
05-07-2015, 14:10
I'm always curious at people with Confederate accoutrements. More often than not, they don't hail from states that were a part of the former Confederacy. But I have a Gadsden flag, so I can't really hold that above them. However, even if they are from the former Confederate states, they were born so long after its dismantiling that it doesn't really seem to mean anything. Colonial flags, Gadsden flags, and the like represent an institution whose evolution we're all a part of. The Confederacy, like the Nazi party, is a dead institution whose flags and memorobilia don't really mean anything. What exactly are their proponents trying to represent with them?
I disagree with the part that's in bold. And I don't think you can accurately state that most people have on connection to a former Confederate state. You have no way of knowing that. While some people may have co-opted the Confederate flag without it being a part of their personal family history, the Confederacy is a part of our national history, like it or not. Would you be willing to substitute "slavery" for "Confederacy" in the statements you made above? After all, anyone alive in the US today was born long after slavery was outlawed so that it really shouldn't mean anything to them, should it?
I happen to be from the south and I'm very proud of my Confederate heritage. Having said that, I don't own a Confederate flag or anything with that flag on it and I never have.
BlasterBob
05-07-2015, 14:11
People get too bend out of shape over minor, inconsequencial, meaningless stuff.
+1,000,000
Bailey Guns
05-07-2015, 14:12
Growing up in the south, this flag was a source of southern pride. I remember black families having the flag proudly displyed in front of their house. To most people who live in the south this flag was just that, southern pride.. Today, anywhere outside of the South this flag means something completely different that others don't understand.
Growing up in Alabama and Texas, that's been my experience as well. Few people who aren't from the south seem to know exactly everything about what that flag DOESN'T represent. The entire meaning of the "rebel" flag has been bastardized by the left.
ZERO THEORY
05-07-2015, 14:21
States rights, not slavery, was the issue that precipitated the Civil War. Unfortunately, most people don't understand this fact and have bought the progressive stance on this hook, lines & sinker. Yes, most of the Southern (Confederate) States were in favor of slavery, but that was not the cause/point of the war against the Union. Because of this, the prevailing opinion today is that the Confederate flag stands for a pro-slavery belief. This just isn't accurate. In fact, the real concepts behind the Confederate and Gadsden flags are very similar. But, acknowledging that fact doesn't advance the progressives agenda.
You would be surprised how few people understand this. Whenever I explain it to people, they usually reply with, "Yeah, states' rights...to own slaves."
At that point I usually just tell them to look into the economic and military ramifications of annexation and then drop the subject.
Would you be willing to substitute "slavery" for "Confederacy" in the statements you made above? After all, anyone alive in the US today was born long after slavery was outlawed so that it really shouldn't mean anything to them, should it?
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No. But that's because my point has nothing to do with slavery or racism or whatever other conotations people (often inaccurately) make with the Confederate flag. My point is that it's like an Austrian kid born in 1996 flying a Czechoslovakian flag.
Honest question, would you equate this with kids of Hispanic descent waving the Mexican flag, when they've never even been to Mexico? That's the impression I get.
So going to a hockey game and chanting CSA, CSA, CSA... probably won't make much sense to the rest of the crowd?
I like the first Ten Amendments to the US Constitution. Some of us would say the framers saved the best amendment for last in the Bill of Rights. [Flower]
Bailey Guns
05-07-2015, 16:54
Honest question, would you equate this with kids of Hispanic descent waving the Mexican flag, when they've never even been to Mexico? That's the impression I get.
Good question.
Damn Yankee's, go home Rebel Haters.
Bailey Guns
05-07-2015, 17:01
Some might think we're getting to the point a more modern version of the rebel flag would be appropriate and for the same reasons as the original.
Jeffrey Lebowski
05-07-2015, 17:05
Some might think we're getting to the point a more modern version of the rebel flag would be appropriate and for the same reasons as the original.
Wouldn't it be the even older Gadsden?
I thought this was going to be a prom picture with people stomping on the American flag...
My remark about Parker was meant to point out that Parker is on the South side of the metro area.
We're all a little slow down here too.
ZERO THEORY
05-07-2015, 18:11
Honest question, would you equate this with kids of Hispanic descent waving the Mexican flag, when they've never even been to Mexico? That's the impression I get.
Basically, yes. In the same way that Chicanos may have generations-elder relatives from Mexico, but don't have any quantifiable ties to it. If Mexico had ceased to exist as a sovereign nation over 100 years ago, it'd be right on the money.
Jumpstart
05-07-2015, 18:18
Wouldn't this fall under " celebrating cultural diversity"?
BREATHER
05-07-2015, 18:57
I am reading a whole lot of ignorant shit on here. That flag has nothing to do with slavery... but it does represent the oppression of states rights. The War of Northern Aggression, The Civil War, The War Between the States, whatever you want to call it. BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICAL INCORRECTNESS.. Fucking LIBTARDS are making it that. Maybe these little sperm drops were just being silly, but if they were making a political statement they are protected under THE CONSTITUTION OF THESE UNTIED STATES.....And no one needs to apologize...
Sounds like there are some gun totin' bad asses that don't want to be associated with rednecks. ... just sayin'
BREATHER
05-07-2015, 19:00
No it's not older than the Gadsdon
Jeffrey Lebowski
05-07-2015, 19:09
No it's not older than the Gadsdon
*sic
[facepalm]
I'll lengthen what I meant for Bailey Guns so you can read as well. :)
Translated:
Wouldn't a more modern version of the rebel flag be the Gadsden, which is actually older, but simultaneously more common in modern use?
<MADDOG>
05-07-2015, 19:56
States rights, not slavery, was the issue that precipitated the Civil War. Unfortunately, most people don't understand this fact and have bought the progressive stance on this hook, lines & sinker. Yes, most of the Southern (Confederate) States were in favor of slavery, but that was not the cause/point of the war against the Union. Because of this, the prevailing opinion today is that the Confederate flag stands for a pro-slavery belief. This just isn't accurate. In fact, the real concepts behind the Confederate and Gadsden flags are very similar. But, acknowledging that fact doesn't advance the progressives agenda.
People get too bend out of shape over minor, inconsequencial, meaningless stuff.
+1 Gin
Lincoln was a typical politician, and was willing to sacrifice his party's stance on slavery to quell the impending secession. "Slavery" was NOT the reason for the Civil War.
I am reading a whole lot of ignorant shit on here....Sounds like there are some gun totin' bad asses that don't want to be associated with rednecks. ... just sayin'
Take a breath and relax. The Confederate battle flag means different things to different people. Some people have opinions that will differ from yours and that does not necessarily make them ignorant or wrong, just expressing their opinions which is a right they are born with in this country.
+1 Gin
Lincoln was a typical politician, and was willing to sacrifice his party's stance on slavery to quell the impending secession. "Slavery" was NOT the reason for the Civil War.
I agree that slavery was not the immediate cause for the war, however, it is impossible to understand the war without looking at our peculiar institution.
If Lincoln was a typical politician, I personally would like to see a few more modern politicians with his personal gifts.
+1 Gin
Lincoln was a typical politician, and was willing to sacrifice his party's stance on slavery to quell the impending secession. "Slavery" was NOT the reason for the Civil War.
I don't entirely agree with this. Though Lincoln wasn't ready to grant blacks equal rights at first or even freedom for that matter, he was adamantly against slavery. I've read a few biographies on him and the loosely held image that he was indifferent to slavery doesn't really hold court. His number one priority was preservation of the Union...period. The issue of "States Rights" only became an issue due to slavery and the industrialization of the north. No slavery, no war. Let's face it, poor southerners didn't even understand what "States Rights" meant. The south was about to loose their economic advantage with the rise of abolition in the northern states. In short, they wanted no part of that so they decided to secede. I think Lincoln was a great President. The landscape of country would be mighty different had it been another person. Even if it was a political maneuver, The Emancipation Proclamation was the beginning of our country living up to it's creed that "All men are created equal".
I agree that slavery was not the immediate cause for the war, however, it is impossible to understand the war without looking at our peculiar institution.
If Lincoln was a typical politician, I personally would like to see a few more modern politicians with his personal gifts.
As always, well said Jedi Master.
ANADRILL
05-07-2015, 20:58
I dont see a problem:)
I want to know why one of the guys in the photo could only get one girl to take to prom and the others have two. That's the real question. Is taking more than one girl to prom the current trend?
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