SBR-That is not a SBR

[electronman1729]

Working on building a SAR Galil. I would like to SBR it. However finding the proper 13" barrel has been a pain. If I SBR can i keep the rifle with a 16" barrel then put the proper 13" barrel when I find it? (Which who knows when that will be) I really dont want to chop a 16" barrel if i can help it.

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[Great-Kazoo]

I wouldn't drop $200 on a tax stamp till you have parts in hand. Especially if you're unable to locate a 13" bbl.

[electronman1729]

I have most of my parts expect for the receiver and barrel. My thinking was SBR it and while I wait I could find a barrel in the mean time and get it after the tax stamp

[Hound]

You can get the stamp and not actually SBR the rifle as long as it is legal in all other respects, meaning leaving it as stock as any other non-NFA rifle. If (for example) the stamp states a 13" barrel and you end up getting a 14" barrel (still making it an SBR) you are in violation of the stamp. If on the other hand you go under a bit, say 12.5", not too much of a problem. They apparently get more upset being even a little over than a little under.... Or at least this is what I have been told. It is best to just build what is on the stamp... Obviously. ATF rules are..... Grey in a lot of respects. We keep asking questions and the responses vary at times. The Sig Brace being a great example. What you want to do is one option (and will work) but Kazoo is also correct in that it can be hard to know what you will end up with unless you have already sourced the parts.

My question would be over possession of the parts to make an NFA item without a stamp. You can't even have access to, much less possession of say an auto-sear without being in violation if you don't have a stamp. AR's allow you to build a pistol and thus have an easily SBRed upper. That is OK but I don't think that will fly if there is not a legal reason to have the parts other than to creat an SBR. Kazoo may have more input.

[Great-Kazoo]

https://www.ar-15.co/forums/101-Complete-Rifles-Barrels-Uppers-and-Lowers

[J]

This is mostly correct. An SBR is an SBR. Once you have the stamp you can change the length any time you want, shorter or longer, above 16, or under. If you look at the NFA FAQ there is a specific entry stating that it is legal to switch it back and forth from SBR to a longer length not under the purview of the NFA.

Now the F1 is the original build length, so you probably should at least assemble it the first time you build the NFA item to the length you filed for to make sure you don't have any undue headaches. If you change it at any time later, shorter or longer, the ATF kindly requests you notify them but it is not even legally require.



You can get the stamp and not actually SBR the rifle as long as it is legal in all other respects, meaning leaving it as stock as any other non-NFA rifle. If (for example) the stamp states a 13" barrel and you end up getting a 14" barrel (still making it an SBR) you are in violation of the stamp. If on the other hand you go under a bit, say 12.5", not too much of a problem. They apparently get more upset being even a little over than a little under.... Or at least this is what I have been told. It is best to just build what is on the stamp... Obviously. ATF rules are..... Grey in a lot of respects. We keep asking questions and the responses vary at times. The Sig Brace being a great example. What you want to do is one option (and will work) but Kazoo is also correct in that it can be hard to know what you will end up with unless you have already sourced the parts.

My question would be over possession of the parts to make an NFA item without a stamp. You can't even have access to, much less possession of say an auto-sear without being in violation if you don't have a stamp. AR's allow you to build a pistol and thus have an easily SBRed upper. That is OK but I don't think that will fly if there is not a legal reason to have the parts other than to creat an SBR. Kazoo may have more input.

[Ranger353]

This is mostly correct. An SBR is an SBR. Once you have the stamp you can change the length any time you want, shorter or longer, above 16, or under. If you look at the NFA FAQ there is a specific entry stating that it is legal to switch it back and forth from SBR to a longer length not under the purview of the NFA.

Now the F1 is the original build length, so you probably should at least assemble it the first time you build the NFA item to the length you filed for to make sure you don't have any undue headaches. If you change it at any time later, shorter or longer, the ATF kindly requests you notify them but it is not even legally require.
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