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RRD3
07-29-2009, 08:32
Has any one here seen this message?
I have seen it on a number of forums and websites that I frequent but do not recall seeing it here yet. I have also seen it on some leftist sites that I watch to see what they are saying and thinking and a few have said that the author of this should be bought up on charges. Funny how the tables change when it's someone in office they bow down to.

Anyway I thought it is some of the best I've seen since Obama has started the down hill slide and government take over of this country.

It's a long read but worth it. [Coffee]




Do YOU Fear Obama?

Congress, the Courts and the Joint Chiefs do!

By JB Williams

©2009USA



Since the most powerful people in America fear the wrath of Obamanation, maybe you

should too! They are indeed a dangerous bunch, after all...



Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the

Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media,

ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein

Obama does NOT meet Article II - Section I constitutional requirements for the

office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The

hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.



But not ONE member of America's most powerful people will dare confront Obama and

his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand. Do you

think there is no reason for this?



The Basic Facts





Barack Hussein Obama is foreign born, period (Kenya)

Regardless of his birth place, his parents had foreign loyalties (strike 2)

He has foreign loyalties, demonstrated in every policy decision (strike 3)

He's not Christian, but Muslim

He's not "black," but Arab

There is NO U.S. birth certificate, other than the forged COLB

NO Hawaiian hospital will confirm his birth place (he has named two)

His policies are designed to destroy the Constitutional Republic, not to uphold or

defend (strike 4)

He won't go away without a blood bath

These are the basic facts as they exist today. This is the basis for where we are

headed...

There are Only three groups in America...

Those who do not know these facts, don't want to know these facts and will do or

say anything to avoid these facts. They are the 28% of Americans polled who

"strongly approve" of Obama's policies and like Obama, they hate personal freedom,

individual ambition and achievement, capitalism and self-governance.



Those who know these facts all too well, and understand that Obamanation will either

destroy America from the Oval Office, or burn it to the ground if anyone tries to

stop them. They are the 36% who "strongly disapprove" of Obama & Co., currently

running out of peaceful options to stop him.

Those who limit their information to that of the state run media and can't quite put

all of the pieces together yet, but sense that something is very wrong.

Not one single leftist defense of Obama from his mindless minions will stand an

ounce of honest research or scrutiny. But that does not stop them from regurgitating

their talking points ad nauseum. For them, it's not about facts, but the agenda, no

matter the facts. The Congressional Budget Office just removed any doubt about the

disastrous fate of nationalized health care. But the left isn't listening... the

facts don't matter. They will go forward regardless because they don't need a single

Republican vote!



Choose your Battles



This is why all Obama supporters label all Obama opponents "racists." In their

limited imagination, they can't fathom someone actually opposing his Marxist

anti-American pro-Terrorist belief system and policies. In their minds, only

"racists" would oppose a blatant Marxist rushing to destroy the most powerful nation

on earth.



Don't waste a minute trying to have a fact-based logical discussion with them. They

do NOT care what the facts are and they have no foundation upon which to discern

simple right and wrong. Though they use the term "fascist" all day long in an

attempt to silence their opposition, they have no idea what the word actually means

and they don't care.



But rest easy, as they only account for some 25-28% of American voters and less than

20% of society. Too many, I agree, but fight the battles worth winning. Don't waste

your energy arguing with idiots who only seek access to your earnings. Their agenda

trumps their understanding and respect for the truth...



Peaceful Options Evaporate



I want to be VERY clear. I do NOT desire or promote any form of violence or any

armed insurrection of the sort recently used to depose an illegal dictator in

Honduras. Despite the reality that America is facing an historic Constitutional

Crisis with an illegal dictator of its own, violent methods for saving a nation and

a way of life, are "last resort" measures only.



However, in my opinion, we are fast approaching the point of "no peaceful

resolution" when only extreme measures will remain. As American patriots who still

know and still care about the Constitution lose all peaceful options for redress and

are forced deeper into a socio-economic corner, the human desire to be free which

fuels the urge to resort to violence, will grow.



Violence will grow in both camps, in the absence of any other viable alternatives.

Since Obama refuses to respect the Constitution or the law, and congress and the

courts opt to turn their collective heads, only extreme options will soon remain.

This administration is running roughshod over the people and the states and sooner

or later, the backlash is coming.



Racially Motivated Violence



At every opportunity, the left is pushing the race card. The left MUST HAVE a

divided nation at war with itself. It is the foundation of their power.



When people oppose Obama, it isn't because he's completely unqualified for office,

or because his policies are aligned with Karl Marx and Saul Alinsky instead of

Thomas Jefferson and John Adams. It's because "he's black," even though he isn't

"black."



Yet it was Obama supporters who overlooked everything else to "make history" and

elect a candidate strictly on the basis of his alleged race. No more blatant act of

racism has ever taken place in America.



We already see a dramatic increase in random acts of racially motivated violence

cropping up in cities across the country. ACORN and Black Panther types sense that

this is their moment in history to put the "white man" in his proper place, under

their jackboot. These folks DO NOT represent the black community. Only an extreme

left violent portion of that community. In Obama's words, "America is no longer a

Christian nation, or even a sovereign nation." In the words of his black nationalist

brethren, "this is a black nation now!"



But with record gun and ammunition sales across the political spectrum, it's not

hard to see where other Americans are headed either.



As the economy is driven even further towards utter collapse by an endless flood of

Marxist policies oozing daily from the filibuster-proof congress, it's only a matter

of days, weeks or maybe months at the outside, before people take to the streets in

more than TEA Parties.



With the Free Economy goes Freedom



Freedom gave every American the chance to determine their own station in life and

for the vast majority of Americans it has been a very comfortable station indeed.



But international leftists have spent decades training those who would not use their

freedom well, to vote themselves access to the earnings of others. Today, they feel

entitled to that which they did not earn and their leftist leaders feel entitled to

confiscate private industry and wealth, in the name of the "greater common good,"

which is otherwise known as their personal political power.



They have no idea what's coming... As the free market economy becomes an Obama Czar

controlled economy, and Obama strives to buy favor with his supporters by

economically attacking his opponents, the economy will continue its slide into

depression. Free-market investors don't invest in Marxism.



Day traders are riding the government manipulation of the market on their way out,

taking "day profits" where they can. But real investors will find a way to escape

Marxism, with their resources intact... and they are already fleeing for foreign

markets moving towards capitalism. Watch what happens to the new Government Motors.

Americans will NOT buy their cars... Then what?



One of two events will ignite the new battle for freedom in America.



Either Obama succeeds in fraudulently holding on to his power long enough to

bankrupt the nation, or the people rise up and bankrupt the Fed before Obama can

bankrupt every American.



Either way, the streets will burn!



Americans still hoping to avoid a confrontation with international leftists are

hoping in vein. Whether Obama supporters tire of their false messiah's lies and

begin to take by force, that which Obama promised but could not deliver, -- or true

patriots rise up and put a stop to his rape and plundering of a great nation,

leaving his supporters in worse condition than before his election, the near future

looks the same.



Broad based economic strife, racial violence, government plunder or street gang

plunder... no matter which way we go from here, the streets of America are going to

burn. This has been a long time coming. There's almost no chance of escaping it at

this late hour.



International leftists did not spend billions and decades setting up the "silent

coup" of the United States to simply walk away when busted. They went "all-in" in

the last election. They were playing for keeps. They will not let go of their death

grip on the United States without a blood bath...



Of course, this is all just my opinion.



Defending the Constitution is not always a Peaceful Event



The people who want to destroy the United States have just as much at stake as those

who want to save her. They have worked a very long time to push the USA to the brink

of collapse. They intend to finish the job, one way or another.



You can't figure out why no member of congress or the courts will be the first to

ignite civil war by challenging this evil cabal? -- Think!



If Americans won't let leftists have their country, the left will burn it and leave

it in ruins. There is no peaceful way out of the corner leftists have placed

Americans in... Congress, the courts, even the military brass and law enforcement,

will do nothing to save this country. The state run media complex is running

interference. The American people are on their own here...



Push is Coming to Shove



The seating of Judge Sotomayor on the Supreme Court bench is a significant event.

She's anti-life, anti-gun, anti-white, anti-American and anti- peace, just like the

people who chose her. She was appointed by a usurper of the Constitution.

Republicans have no power to stop her, even if they want to. What do you think that

means for the future of American justice?



Obama's Department of Homeland Security has already labeled every American willing

to fight for the flag and the Constitution, a "right-wing extremist" and a

"potential domestic terrorist." Every local, county, state and federal law

enforcement agency, as well as every state run media outlet, has been put on the

lookout for these types of "subversives." Any guesses why?



Still the Supreme Court, congress, the CIA, FBI and the DOD, sit silent. What do

they know that you don't?



They all know that the election of Barack Hussein Obama amounts to a silent coup of

the United States of America. But they do nothing... Why? -- Come on... think!



Do YOU Fear Obama?



You should, because it's clear that the most power people in this country do.



Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the

silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political

self-preservation.



Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders

are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It's the right

question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.



Who will save Freedom?



A brave few... This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how

it will be.





Retired Navy Commander Walter Fitzpatrick, who has filed criminal charges of

"treason" against Barack Obama, but has found no court or prosecutor ready to uphold

the Constitution.

Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook, who refused recall and deployment orders, from a

fraudulent Commander-in-Chief, only to have the DOD revoke those orders so that

Obama would not have to answer his charges in court. Then the DOD forced his private

sector employer to fire him from his civilian job in a Martial act of retaliation.

Maj. Gen. (Ret.) Carroll D. Childers and Lt. Col. David Earl Graeff, who have joined

the growing group of military officers demanding proof of Obama's eligibility to

command the US Military.

Longtime liberal New York radio talker Lynn Samuels, who has accused Obama of lying

about his birth certificate.

CNN's Lou Dobbs, the first employee of the state run media complex to recently

decide that the mounting evidence against Obama is just too much to ignore any

longer.

Former Marine and U.S. District Judge David O. Carter, the first US Judge to accept

his oath to uphold the Constitution, stating... "The country needs to know if Mr.

Obama is legitimate, if he can legitimately stay in the White House."

Orly Taitz, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, all of whom have made defending the

Constitution and the American way of life a personal ambition, in the absence of any

constitutional leadership.

Carl Swensson has formed Citizen Grand Juries across the country which have brought

Grand Jury criminal indictments against Obama.

And state legislature after state legislature is moving to reclaim state sovereignty

and rights under the 10th Amendment, restating 2nd Amendment rights along the way,

all of it positioning the states to defend their citizens against an increasingly

belligerent Fed.

A precious few, but they exist... and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and

his evil cabal. If the American people fail to get behind these brave few who are

seeking peaceful redress, all peaceful options will evaporate as if they never

existed. We will return to a pre-1776 America overnight.

Obama could have ended all of this months ago by simply being the "transparent"

leader he promised to be. The reason Obama has not done so is, he can't. He does not

qualify and cannot provide adequate proof that he does. When the pressure to provide

proof reaches a level that can no longer be ignored, he will fail to pass the test.

He knows it, and so do his co-conspirators.



This means that sooner or later, he's going down in history as the greatest

political fraud ever perpetrated on the American people and the world. It also means

that all of his co-conspirators have a very serious problem as well... Biden,

Pelosi, Reid, Clinton, Emanuel, all of them...



The End Game



The clock is ticking... Which bomb explodes first?



Obama and Co. are rushing to force Americans into a corner where they will not be

able to afford to fight back. Patriots are rushing to fight back before Obama

removes the ability to fight back.



No matter which clock ticks down first, this thing is going to blow. There are

patriots in this country who are prepared to fight and die for the Constitution and

Freedom. But there are also many in this country who are equally ready to kill for

Obama and his Marxist agenda. Neither side is going to walk away from the coming

battle...



Freedom may be lost in America, but it won't go down without a fight. Likewise, the

left may be defeated, but they won't walk away without a blood bath... They think

they have the American people on their knees already. They won't let up until forced

to let up. They have made this very clear... If I post reader comments from this

column, you will see what I see daily.



Marxists established control of academia, the press and the courts years before

establishing filibuster-proof control of congress and unfettered control of the

executive branch. Obama has appointed more unelected Czars in thirty days than the

Soviet Union did in thirty years.



There is only ONE End Game...



Obama and Pelosi have removed any possibility for peaceful resolution. The courts

are the forum for peaceful resolution and the courts are missing in action on the

matter. Congress is the place for peaceful resolution, but the left is not seeking

any form of resolution, nor will they even allow the opposition a voice.



When no peaceful option is allowed, what options remains?



The time to stand and be counted is coming. The left will take no prisoners.

American patriots are running out of options and out of time to act.



Internal conflict is a foregone conclusion now. The stage had been set, the battle

lines drawn, the forces assembled. It just hasn't reached a level of unbridled

violence yet. The only thing that is not certain is what kind of America emerges

from the conflict on the backside of the coming violence.



Will the anti-American left outnumber and overpower the American patriots, or will

American patriots and freedom prevail?



The answer to this question will soon be written in history. The rest has already

been written...



I pray for my country, my fellow patriots, for freedom and liberty and for justice.

The time has come again, for all good men to come to the aid of their nation.

Freedom has never been free and the bill has come due again...



I pray that enough American patriots remain, ready to do what must be done.



But it's all just my opinion, and today, I'd love to be wrong!

Sixgun
07-29-2009, 09:00
rice,beans,tp,ammo,and a heart. [Coffee] This goverment can't last forever, and they know it.

Pistol Packing Preacher
07-29-2009, 09:14
MOLON LABE...

BadShot
07-29-2009, 09:31
Tin Foil... Get your Tin Foil here...

mightymouse
07-29-2009, 09:48
He's a corrupt politician in a long line of corrupt politicians, supported by a large group of... wait for it... corrupt politicians.

Either he'll line his pockets and moveon (hee hee) or he'll start a crap fest. I aint losing sleep over it.

RRD3
07-29-2009, 10:13
He's a corrupt politician in a long line of corrupt politicians, supported by a large group of... wait for it... corrupt politicians.

Either he'll line his pockets and moveon (hee hee) or he'll start a crap fest. I aint losing sleep over it.


It's a lot more than that, and if your not worried about it then you don't see how much this country has to lose. Which is it's self.

I don't think Obama is out to fill his pockets as much as he is at taking total control of this country, one nation under Obama.

I fought for this country and so has my family since the day the boat landed and I'm more than concerned with it's current state and direction.
But that's just me.

Pancho Villa
07-29-2009, 10:26
Obama is a creep. We currently have a position where creeps are rewarded with money & power, and people who are principled defenders of liberty are consistently barred from a "seat at the table" precisely because they will not compromise on the essential liberties men ought to enjoy (which are the bargaining chips at such tables.)

Fundamentally, I do not believe the problem is Obama, but a system that rewards that kind of behavior. For the same reason its a bad idea for the govt to start giving all sorts of money to churches (for the more religious lovers of liberty who might not see that as a big deal; remember that money is always followed by control. Always.), it is a bad idea for them to give money to / regulate / give advantages to any industry. Of course, let us make sure no industry dumps toxic waste into their neighbors' lawns, murders people or sells poison as food, but thats properly taken care of by the criminal justice system, not a plethora of federal agencies meant to preemptively pronounce industries guilty of the above and forcing them to prove themselves innocent.

Basically, once its conceded that any legislature can regulate almost any aspect of our lives (be it with whom or how we can have sex, to with whom or how we must do business,) tyranny is only a matter of time and details. The reason is because - in principle - a legislature that can do that is just a self-restrained tyranny. Unless people reject the fundamental ideas that give rise to that type of government power, then the logic of the ideas inevitibly leads a country into dictatorship.

So I believe the real enemy is not necessarily Obama (though of course he is a fiend,) but the ideas permeating the culture that give Obama the air of an idealist. To my mind, to be honest, it doesn't really matter whether Obama is a cynic trying to enrichen himself and get his political friends in good, or a so-called "idealist" trying to put into practice the age old idea of service to others. In practice, both approaches result in the exact same end - poverty and dictatorship. Our problem is not that we have "corrupt" politicians, its that our culture (and thus our government) is guided by corrupt ideas.

mightymouse
07-29-2009, 10:49
It's a lot more than that, and if your not worried about it then you don't see how much this country has to lose. Which is it's self.


To quote George Carlin:

"This country was bought, sold and paid for a LONG time ago.".

I already know what's been lost. At this point we haven't had the 56 signatures yet. Everything has a time and place.

SNAFU
07-29-2009, 11:43
To quote George Carlin:

"This country was bought, sold and paid for a LONG time ago.".

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That's a fact Jack,,we lost our rights soo long ago. It's been a down hill fight.
BHO will just be the final straw on the camels back. :(

RRD3
07-29-2009, 12:16
To quote George Carlin:

"This country was bought, sold and paid for a LONG time ago.".




I understand that completely. but this does not mean we roll over and play dead. We owe it to our selves, our children and to those who fought and bled to make this country what it was laid out to be.

Irving
07-29-2009, 12:51
Perfectly stated Poncho. I might even take an exact quote of what you said and post it on other boards.

sniper7
07-29-2009, 14:57
Be patient young jedi. do not be drastic or you will be labeled a traitor. time will tell. those who lye in wait will last longest.

Irving
07-29-2009, 15:34
I'm personally pretty sick of all the Obama hate. I don't hate Obama at all. It's the other people in his party, and the people that he owes favors to that I have a problem with.

RRD3
07-29-2009, 16:24
I'm personally pretty sick of all the Obama hate. I don't hate Obama at all. It's the other people in his party, and the people that he owes favors to that I have a problem with.


Wow. Your ok with government take over of private industry, nationalizing health care, and handing out bail outs to those who don't deserve a hand shake? Obama is a fucking fraud. Plain and simple.

I don't like any of the sonova bitches in office, but he's the puppet master.

Irving
07-29-2009, 17:05
No no, I'm not okay with any of that. I personally don't think that he is the puppet master, just the mouth piece. Sometimes I get confused with what I post on each board. I kind of feel like I know what the people Obama owes favors to want, but I've never been sure of what kinds of things he wants to do. I'm sure I wouldn't agree with him on many things.

I guess I just get sick of the whole Obama thing just like I was sick of the Bush thing. People tend to think that without Bush/Obama, all of those things they (we) hate would never have happened. You know what I mean? I don't like any of the stuff that is going on, but I can't comfortably look at Obama and say, "This is your fault, without you, none of this would happen!" Because it's just not true. I have the same anger, I just direct it differently.

RRD3
07-29-2009, 17:07
No no, I'm not okay with any of that. I personally don't think that he is the puppet master, just the mouth piece. Sometimes I get confused with what I post on each board. I kind of feel like I know what the people Obama owes favors to want, but I've never been sure of what kinds of things he wants to do. I'm sure I wouldn't agree with him on many things.

I guess I just get sick of the whole Obama thing just like I was sick of the Bush thing. People tend to think that without Bush/Obama, all of those things they (we) hate would never have happened. You know what I mean? I don't like any of the stuff that is going on, but I can't comfortably look at Obama and say, "This is your fault, without you, none of this would happen!" Because it's just not true. I have the same anger, I just direct it differently.


I understand. It's just when you fight for something as has your family for this country and watch it being pissed away has a different meaning to me than others.

Elhuero
07-29-2009, 19:06
there were folks saying that bush stole the presidency, right up until the day he left office.

only fair that obie get the same treatment.

hopefully he'll be able to wrap up his campaign before 2012.

theGinsue
07-29-2009, 19:56
Even before I got to the last post here (by Tor), I was poised to question/comment about the true puppet master(s). Personally, I don't think we've seen him/them yet and we'll be totally lost by the time we do.

Thank you RRD3 for the original post that started this thread - it was a good read. I'm with Sniper7 though. We need to be prepared and poised, but be patient. Either the result will be that we prepared for nothing, or the time will clearly identify itself that action is required.

Poncho was quite correct in that we have a system that has desecrated it's very foundations to become corrupt and self-serving. [Posters note: This is the first time I'm actually agreed with most of what Poncho said - sorry Poncho, we just usually see things from a different perspective - but I respect you and your articulate posts.] Our system can probably never be returned to what it once was and what it still should be. The best that we can possibly hope for is getting it somewhere in the neighborhood.

More than just Obama, we've got equally serious problems with folks like Pelosi, Reid, Clinton (Hillary), and others who wholeheartedly believe that they know what is best for YOU and feel that it is their absolute duty to protect you from yourself. It doesn't bother them one bit to completely ignore YOUR rights and to dictate how you can/will live your life.

We have a society today where it is perfectly acceptable to sit on your lazy ass and take increasingly outragious and growing hand-outs from the American people via the government. What's interesting to note is those individuals who really need help and are even willing to do what they can for themselves are often denied these hand-outs. It seems that our government simply wants to reward those who completely steal from the American tax-payer. I suppose this is because these folks happily accept becoming slaves to the government power-base.

As far as our court system, I gave up on them doing the right thing many years ago - even before they enforeced the principle of no one having to accept personal responsibility.

There is a puppet master out there. I honestly believe this master to be a consortium of some kind versus just a single individual. This puppet master has used our natural tendencies to play us into the position were we can be controlled.

Does Obama scare me? You bet he does; and so does so much more! But I'm going to use that fear to give me the strength to prepare myself for the time where Patriots will know that there can be no more patience. Heaven help us all should that time come!

Tristan
07-29-2009, 20:26
What Ginsue said.
[Beer]

smchop
07-29-2009, 20:40
So my question is to anyone, more opinions the better, but what do WE do? I'm in my 30's two kids, a wife, and a dog (the perfect nuclear family)
I have no money, no political power, and just one voice and agree with most of the previous comments. So how do I get heard? A bunch of people I know, no of which knows what to do, want to be heard. Without looking, or sounding racist, or anti government, on immigration, our new leaders power, and their so called health care reform. What can I do? Load up, and wait? Theres gotta be more.

RRD3
07-29-2009, 20:43
Right on Ginsue![Beer]


I feel the same way. I posted the letter to start a debate and see where everyone is on this.

I supported Bush his first term. And he did what he needed to protect this country. I give his respect for that. But on the other hand anything else that he did wasn't along the lines of the Obama nightmare but not any better either.

The way I look at it this. All of the current parties are corrupt and couldn't give a flying fuck about this country as long as they stay in power and have their high back leather seats behind a cherry wood hand crafted desk made by some freaking illegal in Mexico. That being said they know the welfare state is what will keep their asses smelling like new leather. VOTES.

I wish we could start over they way the founders of this country started. Yes they did some things wrong, but the power was in the hands of the people and States.

I'm a Marine, I train, I'm prepaired and I educate myself. That's all I'm ready to do at this time.

Till then.... I post shit like this to get people thinking [Coffee]

RRD3
07-29-2009, 20:51
So my question is to anyone, more opinions the better, but what do WE do? I'm in my 30's two kids, a wife, and a dog (the perfect nuclear family)
I have no money, no political power, and just one voice and agree with most of the previous comments. So how do I get heard? A bunch of people I know, no of which knows what to do, want to be heard. Without looking, or sounding racist, or anti government, on immigration, our new leaders power, and their so called health care reform. What can I do? Load up, and wait? Theres gotta be more.


Educate yourself, educate others. Vote, write to the ass hats in office and keep letting them know you are watching them, you are 1 vote of many. But there's a growing number.

Attend TEA parties, city hearings, and keep the pressure on them. In reading history you will find that many times it was one voice that turned the tide. You don't have to be the "commanding" voice, but a voice of a US citizen that has the right to be heard.

Obama's numbers are falling. Why? Because his policies are a failure and a lot of the people that voted for him now see that they didn't have a choice in the matter.

Ass hat 1 or Ass hat 2. Not much to go on with they are both worthless pieces of shit. I have alot more respect for McCain due to his Military service and sacrifice.

I went on rambling again, but the first paragraph is what I would say to anyone who ask.

theGinsue
07-29-2009, 21:34
So my question is to anyone, more opinions the better, but what do WE do? I'm in my 30's two kids, a wife, and a dog (the perfect nuclear family)
I have no money, no political power, and just one voice and agree with most of the previous comments. So how do I get heard? A bunch of people I know, no of which knows what to do, want to be heard. Without looking, or sounding racist, or anti government, on immigration, our new leaders power, and their so called health care reform. What can I do? Load up, and wait? Theres gotta be more.

That has to be an individual decision. What type of effort are you willing to put out? What types of risks are you willing to take with your ability to provide for your family and maintain your freedom?

At the very start, you can keep yourself informed about the current activities of both houses of Congress at the state and national levels. When you see they are treading down a road that you are not comfortable with, contact them via eMail and telephone and get the word out to everyone you know that might share your view on the matter and encourage them to do as you did.

You could consider forming or joining political action groups.

The scale of things you can do continues to go up to more serious actions. Participating in or staging protests to outright civil disobedience.

I know someone who is a bit older and retired. This individual has clearly stated that, should the Blair Holt bill pass into law, they will refuse to abide by the law. This person is aware that they will be convicted (notice I said nothing about being charged or prosecuted) if found out. That is a risk this person is willing to take - and is hoping that millions of others are willing to take that same risk. Our current penal system could not accomodate that number of incarcerations. The problem with this train of thought is, while you may not go to prison, you would have a felony on your record which will effect job possibilities, etc.

Know that I'm not encouraging anyone to take any of the more severe actions, but I certainly encourage you to get involved politically and remind our elected officials that they work for us.

ETA [Edit to Add]: My system overheated and crashed and I just took too long to post this message. In the mean time the above post from RRD3 came in saying very similar things. I apologize for stepping on your feet.

RRD3
07-29-2009, 21:58
Not at all. Every one has has a different way of getting things done. I'm not a liberal and like different opinions :D [ROFL1]

[Beer]

Pancho Villa
07-29-2009, 22:09
So my question is to anyone, more opinions the better, but what do WE do? I'm in my 30's two kids, a wife, and a dog (the perfect nuclear family)
I have no money, no political power, and just one voice and agree with most of the previous comments. So how do I get heard? A bunch of people I know, no of which knows what to do, want to be heard. Without looking, or sounding racist, or anti government, on immigration, our new leaders power, and their so called health care reform. What can I do? Load up, and wait? Theres gotta be more.

Learn. I would say reading Ayn Rand is probably the best way - that is the only fully consistent, principled defense of human liberty you'll find. If you're very religious, to the point of Rand's atheism bothering you, I would say Locke is your man. He was probably one of the brightest thinkers of the enlightenment and a great influence on the American system.

Americans are unique in that they are almost the only culture left with an almost universal desire to do the right thing. That is why all these arguments about how inefficient socialized medicine is will ultimately fail - because, to an American, doing the right thing is more important than doing the efficient thing. The fundamental issue is the question of altruism - does man morally owe the product of his labors to his neighbors, or doesn't he? If your answer is yes, it will lead you invariably to Obama, then socialism, then dictatorship. If your answer is no, it will lead you back to freedom, capitalism and prosperity.

So, to my religious pals here: read Locke. He's a smart guy. To those who aren't very religious, read Locke, then Rand. And then advocate for reason and individual rights. Arguments from faith, from tradition, and that man isn't good enough from socialism are what got us to where we are today.

Mista Bukit
07-30-2009, 08:09
Learn. I would say reading Ayn Rand is probably the best way - that is the only fully consistent, principled defense of human liberty you'll find. If you're very religious, to the point of Rand's atheism bothering you, I would say Locke is your man. He was probably one of the brightest thinkers of the enlightenment and a great influence on the American system.

Americans are unique in that they are almost the only culture left with an almost universal desire to do the right thing. That is why all these arguments about how inefficient socialized medicine is will ultimately fail - because, to an American, doing the right thing is more important than doing the efficient thing. The fundamental issue is the question of altruism - does man morally owe the product of his labors to his neighbors, or doesn't he? If your answer is yes, it will lead you invariably to Obama, then socialism, then dictatorship. If your answer is no, it will lead you back to freedom, capitalism and prosperity.

So, to my religious pals here: read Locke. He's a smart guy. To those who aren't very religious, read Locke, then Rand. And then advocate for reason and individual rights. Arguments from faith, from tradition, and that man isn't good enough from socialism are what got us to where we are today.

I have to agree, Ayn Rand is probably the most influential writer I have ever read. After reading “Atlas Shrugged” and “The Fountain Head” my whole out look on freedom and government changed, I still re-read the books and they still provoke thought.

Irving
07-30-2009, 11:43
You guys don't think that the shitty excuse for a Republican party just wants power as well?

al_g
07-30-2009, 14:34
Tin Foil... Get your Tin Foil here...But remember aluminum foil doesn't block the mind readers in black helicopters. It has to be tin foil which the Government has almost completely succeeded in having be unavailable in any store.

Delfuego
07-30-2009, 14:34
Lets please remember that it was GWB's appointee's that "Bailed" out the banks. It was Paulson and Giethner, who both (supposedly) proclaim to be free market thinkers and hate government incursions into the private sector. And they will soon ask for more bailout funds! There is plenty of shit you can heap on Obama, but please get your facts straight.

As for heathcare... well please go to perotcharts.com and look for yourself. Pretty soon the entire federal budget in its entirety will be dedicated to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. The entire federal revenue! Now please consider that more and more Baby-Boomers are aging and want those benefits they were promised. With the revenues going down because of tax cuts and recessions how will "WE" (that's right you me and him) pay for this? The cost of heathcare in the US is doubling and tripling and the amount of revenue is not following pace. What do we do? I am open to suggestions. This also is not Obama's baby, he has just seen the numbers for himself. I only wish I had the same health plan as those assholes on capital hill who think everything is peachy.

I don't fear Obama, he is just another politician. He is no racist or devil or whatever he is being labeled this week. Just another in a long line of politicians.

This country is great because we try to do new things, and don't just sit on asses and bitch like a lot of countries around the world. If you want shit to stay the same.. build a time machine.

Pancho Villa
07-30-2009, 17:02
How about we stop expecting the government to "give" us healthcare "for free." Which just means we expect the govt to extort from those who have and give to those who don't.

Or housing or money or whatever.

Hey look, I've just solved the healthcare, housing, medicare, medicaid and social security problems in one sentence. Go me.

Irving
07-30-2009, 17:21
If you can solve all those in one term, you've got my vote.






Maybe.

Elhuero
07-30-2009, 19:11
both the entrenched rulers in washington and the insatiable welfare class of this country will not give up what they have without a fight.

jkslvr
08-02-2009, 08:42
he has more face time on TV than Chavez... moving up that big gov ladder

RRD3
08-02-2009, 11:19
If you can solve all those in one term, you've got my vote.






Maybe.

Why is it the responcibility of the government to fix or provide these for you?

IT'S NOT!

lib·er·ty (lhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ibreve.gifbhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/schwa.gifr-thttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/emacr.gif)n. pl. lib·er·ties 1. a. The condition of being free from restriction or control.
b. The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.
c. The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor. See Synonyms at freedom (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/freedom).

2. Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.
3. A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference: the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights.
4. a. A breach or overstepping of propriety or social convention. Often used in the plural.
b. A statement, attitude, or action not warranted by conditions or actualities: a historical novel that takes liberties with chronology.
c. An unwarranted risk; a chance: took foolish liberties on the ski slopes.

5. A period, usually short, during which a sailor is authorized to go ashore.

Idiom: at liberty1. Not in confinement or under constraint; free.
2. Not employed, occupied, or in use.



Do shit for yourself, provide for your self and family, be responsible for your OWN actions.

It amazes me when I hear people say "the government should fix this or that". They shouldn't do a fucking thing.

What is the purpose of government under capitalism?
It is to protect Rights that governments are instituted. A proper government's Only responsibility is to protect the rights of the individual, by banning the initiation of force (http://www.capitalism.org/faq/force.htm), thus making all relations between men peaceful, i.e., free from the threat of violence and fraud.

smchop
08-02-2009, 12:52
2. Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.

I agree with that, but I think its wrong not to expect them to fix our problems as a country, state, city, etc. Thats why we vote them into office is it not? If they did nothing for me, but I pay my taxes, obey common laws, I would stop immediately and agree to watch out for me and mine speciffically. But that is why I asked earlier, what do I do, because I am not happy the way things are currently headed and would like to help to change that, and to me that means either changing the minds of those incharge or remove and replace with those that have the same agenda as most Americans. At the same time I understand the fears (maybe not fears) that some believe the only way things will get better is to rise against. When would you (anyone) decide when that point is? How would you decide when it was time to take up arms? I have no intention to tell you you are wrong, I just see it different.

RRD3
08-02-2009, 13:03
They are there to support the States, not control them or demand that they do something on a federal level or risk losing funding for the States infrastructures.

They are there to protect us from foreign invasion or attack. To ensure that our Constitutional rights and Bill of rights are upheld by each of the states. The government is NOT there to settle a dispute between a LOCAL police officer who was doing his job and a Black Professor who claims the was mistreated due to his race. They are NOT there to provide health care to the masses, this is an individuals option to make it so or not. It is NOT up to the government to decide weather or not a State can have a seat belt law or not. It is NOT up to the goverment to FORCE a State to take Federal monies for something they do not want. Example... Alaska, Texas, Montana, and a few others who did not want to take any bail out money.
Is is NOT up to the government to bail out PRIVATE industry and make the citizens of this country pay for their failures. It is NOT the responsibility to bail out Kalifornia and make the other States and people of this country pay for their FAILED immigration policies, green energy bullshit or anything else. Kalifornia is the poster child State for running your State into the ground. NOT our responsibility!

There is no time to say when to take up arms and demand that those who have been elected from office be removed. It's more of a breaking point and I think this debate has been had on every forum and every watering hole you can think of millions of time. But I can tell you this. The talk of such an action is growing and people will only talk so much before they break.

Right now is not the time, the call for action is protest, emails, letters and calls to your representatives to profess dislike of the current environment and actions. When the majority of the people of this country out way the liberal mindset then things will either change or break.

This country has weakened from the days of past and will take a lot more to reach a breaking point.

That's just my .02

DOC
08-02-2009, 13:23
I fear Obama. But then again I get scared of my sock drawer too. Milk, Clowns, guns, people without guns, people with guns, people that don't love animals, people that love animals to much (PETA).
J/K.
I think Osama is in a hurry to destroy the country, because he only has 2 years before ACORN is disbanded for voter fraud. Or he is using the blitsgreig tactic that Hitler used to take Poland, France and Spain. And that is attack hard and fast and don't stop until you've hit water. Attack so fast that noone knows what happened and when they figure it out, its to late. Someone had to write those thousand page bills that they keep passing without reading. Someone knew what was in it.

hobowh
08-02-2009, 14:12
I fear Obama. But then again I get scared of my sock drawer too. Milk, Clowns, guns, people without guns, people with guns, people that don't love animals, people that love animals to much (PETA).
J/K.
I think Osama is in a hurry to destroy the country, because he only has 2 years before ACORN is disbanded for voter fraud. Or he is using the blitsgreig tactic that Hitler used to take Poland, France and Spain. And that is attack hard and fast and don't stop until you've hit water. Attack so fast that noone knows what happened and when they figure it out, its to late. Someone had to write those thousand page bills that they keep passing without reading. Someone knew what was in it.
What's wrong with PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals)[Pepsi]

hobowh
08-02-2009, 14:18
I got this today. Makes you think. Sorry for the length
545 vs 300,000,000
EVERY CITIZEN NEEDS TO READ THIS AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS JOURNALIST HAS SCRIPTED IN THIS MESSAGE. READ IT AND THEN REALLY THINK ABOUT OUR CURRENT POLITICAL DEBACLE.
Charley Reese has been a journalist for 49 years.
http://webmailb.juno.com/webmail/new/21?folder=Trash&msgNum=00000u00:001ASuaE000020rj&count=1249244160&attachId=4
545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations.. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-pickingthing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

Tristan
08-02-2009, 15:45
Everybody is afraid. If you stand up, you get chopped down by the very people who say they are against chopping you down. There are an awful lot of BS laws and such out there. That's why I quit the SD. But several of my fellows, though disagreeing with some of the laws they upheld/uphold as their job, still enforce those laws.
Until the people hit the streets, it's all whining and crying for nothing.

BigMat
08-02-2009, 23:58
New here, but lets give this a go.

I am a young and troubled voter. Married to another young and troubled voter. My wife and I were both fervent republicans in our formative years, both active college republicans. We were real believers in the party line.

I think Pancho nailed the key word to us, Principled. I have really felt that the Republican's principles are muddled. I have found no refuge of ethics in the Democratic party either. To clarify, the GOP recently added an piece to their platform seeking a Constitutional amendment to ban homosexual marriage. I am not trying to argue about gay marriage, what bothers me deeply about this is using our Constitution, a document as a whole used to protect our freedoms and keep Washington government out of our lives, to get government into people's lives. This really rubs me all kinds of the wrong way, because what happens after that's done, what's next on the rights chopping block? guns? religious freedom? choice on schools? I think this is an issue that could be left to the States with no problems, under Amendment 10. In a way it seems like I am only worried about a slippery slope, but frankly I agree with the NRA's stand on protecting rights, not giving up one inch without a fight.

In terms of one voice, I have to say, I am friends with quite a few young republicans with a bad taste in our mouth all looking for the same thing. In a way, many many similar voices looking for the same thing.

DOC
08-03-2009, 05:37
They gay marriage thing is just a smoke screen. They need to stop the busy work and get some real goals.

RRD3
08-03-2009, 06:55
If you ask me, it's not just Obama. It's all the bastards in office. All of them have no clue as to what their responsibilities are and what they should be doing as representatives of the people.

Mtn.man
08-03-2009, 09:06
True RRD3 not one asshole in office is worth a shit.We need to take back our country...
So called "public" servants are only there for their own well being.

Mtn.man
08-03-2009, 09:06
On another note I found this:

Dr. Paul L. Williams
July 7, 2009

“In my own life, in my own small way, I have tried to give back to this country that has given me so much,” she said. “See, that’s why I left a job at a big law firm for a career in public service, “ Michelle Obama



No, Michele Obama does not get paid to serve as the First Lady and she doesn’t perform any official duties. But this hasn’t deterred her from hiring an unprecedented number of staffers to cater to her every whim and to satisfy her every request in the midst of the Great Recession. Just think Mary Lincoln was taken to task for purchasing china for the White House during the Civil War. And Mamie Eisenhower had to shell out the salary for her personal secretary.

How things have changed! If you’re one of the tens of mill ions of Americans facing certain destitution, earning less than subsistence wages stocking the shelves at Wal-Mart or serving up McDonald cheeseburgers, prepare to scream and then come to realize that the benefit package for these servants of Miz Michele are the same as members of the national security and defense departments and the bill for these assorted lackeys is paid by John Q. Public:

$172,200 - Sher, Susan (CHIEF OF STAFF)
$140,000 - Frye, Jocelyn C. (DEPUTY ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT AND DIRECTOR OF POLICY AND PROJECTS FOR THE FIRST LADY)
$113,000 - Rogers, Desiree G. (SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT AND WHITE HOUSE SOCIAL SECRETARY )
$102,000 - Johnston, Camille Y. (SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT AND D IRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS FOR THE FIRST LADY)
Winter, Melissa E. (SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT AND DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF TO THE FIRST LADY)
$90,000 - Medina , David S. (DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF TO THE FIRST LADY)
$84,000 - Lelyveld, Catherine M. (DIRECTOR AND PRESS SECRETARY TO THE FIRST LADY)
$75,000 - Starkey, Frances M. (DIRECTOR OF SCHEDULING AND ADVANCE FOR THE FIRST LADY)
$70,000 - Sanders, Trooper (DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF POLICY AND PROJECTS FOR THE FIRST LADY)
$65,000 - Burnough, Erinn J. (DEPUTY DIRECTOR AND DEPUTY SOCIAL SECRETARY)
Reinstein, Joseph B. (DEPUTY DIRECTOR AND DEPUTY SOCIAL SECRETARY)
$62,000 - Goodman, Jennifer R. (DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF SCHEDULING AND EVENTS COORDINATOR FOR THE FIRST LADY)
$60,000 - Fitts, Alan O. (DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF ADVANCE AND TRIP DIRECTOR FOR THE FIRST LADY)
Lewis, Dana M. (SPECIAL ASSISTANT AND PERSONAL AIDE TO THE FIRST LADY)
$52,500 - Mustaphi, Semonti M. (ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR AND DEPUTY PRESS SECRETARY TO THE FIRST LADY)
$50,000 - Jarvis, Kristen E. (SPECIAL ASSISTANT FOR SCHEDULING AND TRAVELING AIDE TO THE FIRST LADY)
$45,000 - Lechtenberg, Tyler A. (ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF CORRESPONDENCE FOR THE FIRST LADY)
Tubman, Samantha (DEPUTY ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR,SOCIAL OFFICE)
$40,000 - Boswell, Joseph J. (EXECUTIVE AS SISTANT TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO THE FIRST LADY)
$36,000 - Armbruster, Sally M. (STAFF ASSISTANT TO THE SOCIAL SECR ETARY)
Bookey, Natalie (STAFF ASSISTANT)
Jackson, Deilia A. (DEPUTY ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF CORRESPONDENCE FOR THE FIRST LADY)

sniper7
08-03-2009, 09:30
On another note I found this:

Dr. Paul L. Williams
July 7, 2009

“In my own life, in my own small way, I have tried to give back to this country that has given me so much,” she said. “See, that’s why I left a job at a big law firm for a career in public service, “ Michelle Obama



No, Michele Obama does not get paid to serve as the First Lady and she doesn’t perform any official duties. But this hasn’t deterred her from hiring an unprecedented number of staffers to cater to her every whim and to satisfy her every request in the midst of the Great Recession. Just think Mary Lincoln was taken to task for purchasing china for the White House during the Civil War. And Mamie Eisenhower had to shell out the salary for her personal secretary.

How things have changed! If you’re one of the tens of mill ions of Americans facing certain destitution, earning less than subsistence wages stocking the shelves at Wal-Mart or serving up McDonald cheeseburgers, prepare to scream and then come to realize that the benefit package for these servants of Miz Michele are the same as members of the national security and defense departments and the bill for these assorted lackeys is paid by John Q. Public:

$172,200 - Sher, Susan (CHIEF OF STAFF)
$140,000 - Frye, Jocelyn C. (DEPUTY ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT AND DIRECTOR OF POLICY AND PROJECTS FOR THE FIRST LADY)
$113,000 - Rogers, Desiree G. (SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT AND WHITE HOUSE SOCIAL SECRETARY )
$102,000 - Johnston, Camille Y. (SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT AND D IRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS FOR THE FIRST LADY)
Winter, Melissa E. (SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT AND DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF TO THE FIRST LADY)
$90,000 - Medina , David S. (DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF TO THE FIRST LADY)
$84,000 - Lelyveld, Catherine M. (DIRECTOR AND PRESS SECRETARY TO THE FIRST LADY)
$75,000 - Starkey, Frances M. (DIRECTOR OF SCHEDULING AND ADVANCE FOR THE FIRST LADY)
$70,000 - Sanders, Trooper (DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF POLICY AND PROJECTS FOR THE FIRST LADY)
$65,000 - Burnough, Erinn J. (DEPUTY DIRECTOR AND DEPUTY SOCIAL SECRETARY)
Reinstein, Joseph B. (DEPUTY DIRECTOR AND DEPUTY SOCIAL SECRETARY)
$62,000 - Goodman, Jennifer R. (DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF SCHEDULING AND EVENTS COORDINATOR FOR THE FIRST LADY)
$60,000 - Fitts, Alan O. (DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF ADVANCE AND TRIP DIRECTOR FOR THE FIRST LADY)
Lewis, Dana M. (SPECIAL ASSISTANT AND PERSONAL AIDE TO THE FIRST LADY)
$52,500 - Mustaphi, Semonti M. (ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR AND DEPUTY PRESS SECRETARY TO THE FIRST LADY)
$50,000 - Jarvis, Kristen E. (SPECIAL ASSISTANT FOR SCHEDULING AND TRAVELING AIDE TO THE FIRST LADY)
$45,000 - Lechtenberg, Tyler A. (ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF CORRESPONDENCE FOR THE FIRST LADY)
Tubman, Samantha (DEPUTY ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR,SOCIAL OFFICE)
$40,000 - Boswell, Joseph J. (EXECUTIVE AS SISTANT TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO THE FIRST LADY)
$36,000 - Armbruster, Sally M. (STAFF ASSISTANT TO THE SOCIAL SECR ETARY)
Bookey, Natalie (STAFF ASSISTANT)
Jackson, Deilia A. (DEPUTY ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF CORRESPONDENCE FOR THE FIRST LADY)


now that right there is absolute fucking bullshit.

RRD3
08-03-2009, 10:22
You get the job and then you make bull shit positions up to pay back those you owe.

That's what you see there.


Armbruster, Sally M. (STAFF ASSISTANT TO THE SOCIAL SECR ETARY)

WTF?

How many assistants of assistants do you need?


Pardon me.... I'm the assistant to the assistant of the assistants assistant. [Beer]

Mtn.man
08-03-2009, 11:44
the assistant head head cleaner, has to have an assitant to take their Twitter's..

ronaldrwl
08-03-2009, 20:55
One good thing about this forum, you can air your beliefs. A lot of what's been posted is what I think durring the day but wouldn't say outloud.

A few days ago I was waiting in my parked truck (parking lot) when the parked car ahead of me threw out of their window 'fast food' bags and soda cups, made a huge mess. I calmly walked over just to look inside the car. It was a teenager with his mom. The mom looked at me and yelled something to the kid. The kid looked at me and cursed and told me to clean it up. I shook my head in disgust. Another liberal, don't spank the kid, family that raised a ruined human being. That's was my reaction.

I think responsible people are slowing being out numbered by lazy, ruined excuses for people.

I said it before and others disagree, but for me it comes down to "in God we trust" or not...

MichiganMilitia
08-03-2009, 21:08
Be patient young jedi. do not be drastic or you will be labeled a traitor. time will tell. those who lye in wait will last longest.


[Beer]

Nice, however... I'm not necessarilly interested in lasting the longest per se. I am interested in freedom and liberty and all those good things! Using the Terminator movies as an example: I don't want to "survive" the rise of the machines. I want to prevent it! Surviving the government's attacks on freedom does not look like very much fun... I would much rather prevent those attacks!

But here's something to chew on... When the government has "crossed the line" and "gone too far", I will take up my gun and fight back. But fighting as an individual will just get me jailed or killed. Everyone draws the line at a different level. Where is that line for you? How can we coordinate a counter-attack to defend the constitution if we cannot coordinate at all?

ETA (Edited to Add): ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ!

Ranger
08-15-2009, 12:13
This has been a VERY interesting thread to read, it really has. Personally, I'm so far right I'm about to swing left, so I have a very biased view if things but there is one thing I believe is quite certain, and I have believed this for a very long time, and that is that civil war will be upon us again. We are in a catch 22 with Obama. First off, let me state without pause, that I am not FOR a civil war or any violence against the leader of the free world - no matter how much I disagree or dislike him - it shames our country. That being said, there are far too many factors going on here. For instance, if someone were to kill Obama then we have the makings for a civil war in that the black population would, I believe, rise up in violence against whites - then whites against blacks. Civil war. If someone doesn't kill Obama then we have the status quo, and now we have this country bitterly divided between the Obama lovers and Obama haters (and more so, republicans vs democrats). Look at these "town hall" meetings, showing that the conservative voice is FINALLY getting out there - we have taken it in the ear too long and are tiring of the establishment. If we don't find a resolution then we could easily end up in civil war, if for no other reason than many of the reasons stated in this thread.

I don't want a civil war. While some may see this as a cleansing of our government (and even our founding fathers alluded to this fact), it would rip our country into two or more smaller parts (can anyone say Czechoslovakia?) and end with the death of many thousands of Americans. Just because I don't WANT a war, doesn't mean I won't prepare for one in case everything goes to hell fast.

Of course I don't know what will happen and can hope for the best and prepare for the worst. I won't stand idly by and watch it happen, I will use every LEGAL means at my disposal to voice my dissent against this tyrant and his policies and can only hope that is enough. He will come for my guns, you can guarantee that my friends, and I will not go quietly.

So much hatred of Obama is very much like the hatred of Bush. I liked Bush, the first term, and thought he was a terrible leader the second term. I like HIM as a man, but as a president he left something to be desired. My own beloved party has gotten out of control, trying so hard to be "moderate" and instituting leftist policies just to appear middle of the road - they have abandoned their principals and have left me with a bitter taste for my party.

We have gone in this country from a position of not agreeing with the opposing party to outright hatred of the opposing party. This gets worse and wore each year and it will come to blows before it's over. Whether or not Obama ruins this country is ALMOST besides the point, we are doing it without him. I'm guilty of this, I freely admit it, I have now gotten to the point that I refuse to associate with a liberal because I detest them and their love of this dictator they elected as well as their outright hatred of the country I love.

Anyway, I figured I would use this as a soapbox to vent :). I'm sure many of you may not agree with my standpoints, but this is how I see things and it's actually nice to put them down every once in a while (gotta LOVE America).

Oh, and God Bless the U.S.A!!!!!

sniper7
08-15-2009, 13:44
[Beer]

Nice, however... I'm not necessarilly interested in lasting the longest per se. I am interested in freedom and liberty and all those good things! Using the Terminator movies as an example: I don't want to "survive" the rise of the machines. I want to prevent it! Surviving the government's attacks on freedom does not look like very much fun... I would much rather prevent those attacks!

But here's something to chew on... When the government has "crossed the line" and "gone too far", I will take up my gun and fight back. But fighting as an individual will just get me jailed or killed. Everyone draws the line at a different level. Where is that line for you? How can we coordinate a counter-attack to defend the constitution if we cannot coordinate at all?

ETA (Edited to Add): ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ!

Do not worry.
Most people of this country are ingrained with what we believe in, the rights we have or want and will fight for to keep. those are the people who read the constitution for what it is, not try to interpret it for what they want it to be.
You will see great leaders, great people, known people take a stand, the groups will follow. All you can do is be ready and watch for the signal. you will know what it is when you see it.

MichiganMilitia
08-15-2009, 14:41
All you can do is be ready and watch for the signal. you will know what it is when you see it.

i'm just afraid that we won't know it until it's too late...

RRD3
08-16-2009, 10:50
i'm just afraid that we won't know it until it's too late...


It may not be a signal fire but there will be a lot of smoke if the health care plan and cap and trade go through. IF this happens... I feel that we are sitting on the edge of a blade and at this point it's hard to tell which side we will fall on.

Compliance or Rebellion?

DOC
08-16-2009, 10:58
Did the cap and tax scam pass? Why do I feel a little more opressed everytime a democrap law gets passed and I get a huge feeling of relief when one of their laws don't get passed or sunsets?

MichiganMilitia
08-16-2009, 13:13
Compliance or Rebellion?


I think I know which side I will be on... [AR15]

MichiganMilitia
08-16-2009, 13:17
An interesting question just came into my mind...

What defines a rebellion, as opposed to a civil war? And won't the government and mass media outlets just call it domestic terrorism?

Ranger
08-16-2009, 14:55
An interesting question just came into my mind...

What defines a rebellion, as opposed to a civil war? And won't the government and mass media outlets just call it domestic terrorism?

In my mind, a rebellion is a group of citizens that stand up to the government while civil war is a country divided and duking it out to settle their differences. And, yes, I think that the media ALREADY considers us domestic terrorists with itchy trigger fingers just counting the seconds until we get to kill someone, especially a gument someone.

RRD3
08-16-2009, 15:01
Yea.... rebellion is the majority of of the citizens against their government verses a civil war which is a country divided.

Mtn.man
08-17-2009, 10:24
GOOD READ !!!

Lou Pritchett is one of corporate America's true living > legends- an
acclaimed author, dynamic teacher and one of the world's highest rated
speakers. Successful corporate executives everywhere recognize him as the foremost leader in change management. Lou changed the way
America does business by creating an audacious concept that came to be
known as "partnering." Pritchett rose from soap salesman
to Vice-President, Sales and Customer Development for Procter and Gamble and over the course of 36 years, made corporate history.


AN OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT OBAMA


Dear President Obama:

You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived
and unlike any of the others, you truly scare me. You scare me
because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.

You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy
League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible
signs of support.

You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.

You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.

You scare me because you have never had military
experience, thus don't understand it at its core.

You scare me because you lack humility and 'class',
always blaming others.

You scare me because for over half your life you have
aligned yourself withradical extremists who hate
America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.

You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the
'blame America ' crowd
and deliver this message abroad.

You scare me because you want to change America to a
European style country
where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.

You scare me because you want to replace our health care
system with a government controlled one.

You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to
responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.

You scare me because you want to kill the American
capitalist goose that
lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of
living in the world.

You scare me because you have begun to use
'extortion' tactics against certain banks and corporations.

You scare me because your own political party shrinks from
challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.

You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even
consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.

You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both
omnipotent and omniscient.

You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on
everything you do.

You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the
Limbaughs, Hannitys, O'Relllys and Becks who offer opposing,
conservative points of view.

You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.

Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I
will probably not
feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.

Lou Pritchett

TRUE - CHECK: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/youscareme.asp

This letter was sent to the NY Times but they never
acknowledged it. Big
surprise. Since it hit the internet, however, it has had
over 500,000 hits.
Keep it going. All that is necessary for evil to succeed is
that good men do
nothing. It's happening right now.

Batteriesnare
08-17-2009, 11:07
That is a great letter, and he hit the nail on the head!