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Singlestack
06-29-2015, 11:19
The arrogance of the left never ceases to amaze me. This lawsuit amounts to "How dare they (the people) approve tax increases by us (the legislature)? This is a Republic, and therefore ALL decisions must be made by their elected representatives!"
http://coloradostatesman.com/content/995824-us-supreme-court-set-report-whether-it-will-hear-tabor-case
U.S. Supreme Court set to report whether it will hear TABOR caseColorado court watchers are waiting with bated breath for the nation’s highest court to say whether it will consider a case challenging the Taxpayer Bill of Rights.
The U.S. Supreme Court isn’t considering the merits of a 2011 lawsuit, brought by a group of current and former elected officials, including state Sen. Andy Kerr, D-Lakewood, and House Speaker Dickey Lee Hullinghorst, D-Boulder. Instead, the court is expected to announce whether justices are granting certiorari and will hear the case or whether they’re sending it back to a lower court.
The lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court in May 2011. Attorneys for the State of Colorado filed a motion to dismiss at that time, claiming the plaintiffs lack standing to file the lawsuit and arguing that the case itself is a political question, which federal courts typically avoid.
The District Court denied the motion and the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals then denied a request by the state for a rehearing, leaving the Supreme Court to decide.
“We’re not yet at the point where (the Supreme Court) could be asked the merits of the case,” said David Skaggs, an attorney for the group that filed the suit.
The court considered the Petition for Writ of Certiorari in conference on Jan. 9 but has not yet issued a decision on it, a delay Skaggs called unusual.
Typically, when the court considers what’s commonly known as a Cert Petition in conference, it announces whether the petition has been granted or denied within a week or two.
“I think it means they’re taking [the issues] seriously,” said David Kopel, an attorney with the Independence Institute, who wrote an amicus brief supporting the state’s arguments in the case.
If the court grants certiorari, then the case will be set for oral arguments during next year’s session, which begins on Oct. 5. If certiorari is denied, the case will return to U.S. District Court in Denver for a hearing on the merits of the lawsuit.
A decision will be issued before the end of this year’s Supreme Court session — next week or the week after, at the latest.
“We’re within a fortnight of a decision, we think,” Skaggs said.
One theory for the court’s delay is that justices might be waiting to first decide Arizona State Legislature v. Arizona Redistricting Commission.
Supreme Court experts speculate the Arizona case has issues parallel to the TABOR case, Skaggs said, including whether the Legislature has standing to file the lawsuit

The Colorado lawsuit argues that TABOR violates the Guarantee Clause of the U.S. Constitution, which provides that each state will have a “Republican Form of Government.”
“No federal court has ever decided what a ‘republican form of government’ actually entails,” Skaggs noted.
However, the Federalist Papers, written to support ratification of the Constitution in 1787 and 1788, maintained that a republican form of government is a representative government, not a direct democracy.
But Kopel said that strict reliance on that definition misses the point.
“Voter initiatives and referendums are consistent with what the founders considered a republic,” he said. “All legislative powers belong to the people in the first place. The legislature is the agent of the people, and the people can legislate directly, if they choose.”
On the other hand, the lawsuit argues that TABOR takes away the power of taxation from the Legislature, leaving the state without a fully republican form of government.
“It’s not a provision of the Constitution that has been used a lot,” Skaggs admitted.
The state, in its argument for certiorari, claim the plaintiffs’ chief argument is that TABOR is unique with no impact outside the state.
"The People of Colorado have chosen to maintain a direct voice in the state's tax policy and overall level of appropriations. Plaintiffs here challenge that choice and ask the federal courts to undo it,” wrote attorneys for the state. They added, "Whether the federal judiciary can interfere in this sort of intrastate governance dispute is of fundamental importance.”
“There are various theories of the case,” Kopel said, noting the Institute doesn’t agree with the state on every aspect of the case. Mainly, he said, his organization hasn’t taken a position on who has standing to file such a lawsuit.
The Supreme Court typically announces decisions on Mondays but the court has said to expect rulings on Thursday and Friday this week as the session nears its end.

Aloha_Shooter
06-29-2015, 13:15
Par for the course with liberals. They can't win on facts. They can't win in logic. They can't win by political majority. They win by imposing judicial fiat and legislative/executive tyranny then convincing everyone that of course they had the majority all along.

Zundfolge
06-29-2015, 13:20
If TABOR goes down there will be nothing to stop Colorado from becoming California ... and I expect we'll do so at a velocity that will actually make California look like its run by thrifty penny pinchers. The Dems and Libs have had to beg us proles for unnecessarily higher taxes to pay for their crony BS for so long that once we get cut out of the decision they'll start ramming every tax increase they can think of through in an orgy of taxing, spending and regulating.

More than the stupid gun laws, the loss of TABOR would be a good reason for all of us to consider relocation.

68Charger
06-29-2015, 13:23
I agree with Zund- if TABOR falls, I'll seriously look at moving

Zundfolge
06-29-2015, 13:31
I agree with Zund- if TABOR falls, I'll seriously look at moving

At the risk of sounding positive and optimistic; on the other hand, if TABOR is upheld you can expect to see TABORs pop up in other states.

TFOGGER
06-29-2015, 15:09
Perhaps the lawmakers in question should be careful what they wish for, as many of the founding fathers, who authored the Federalist Papers, also advocated the forceful overthrow of governments should they become tyrannical.

HoneyBadger
06-29-2015, 16:46
I agree with Zund- if TABOR falls, I'll seriously look at moving

Yeah, me to!





...oh. :(

Honey Badger282.8
06-29-2015, 17:24
Here's the full list of plaintiffs.


Andy Kerr, Colorado State Representative; Norma V. Anderson; Jane M. Barnes, Member Jefferson County Board Of Education; Elaine Gantz Berman, Member State Board of Education; Paul Booth; Alexander E. Bracken; William K. Bregar, Member Pueblo District 70 Board Of Education Bob Briggs, Westminster City Councilman; Bruce W. Broderius, Member Weld County District 6 Board Of Education; Trudy B. Brown; John C. Buechner, Ph. D., Lafayette City Councilman; Stephen A. Burkholder; Richard L. Byyny, M.D.; Lois Court, Colorado State Representative; Theresa L. Crater Robin Crossan, Member Steamboat Springs Re-2 Board Of Education; Richard E. Ferdinandsen; Stephanie Garcia, Member Pueblo City Board Of Education; Dickey Lee Hullinghorst, Colorado State Representative; Nancy Jackson, Arapahoe County Commissioner; William G. Kaufman; Claire Levy, Colorado State Representative; Margaret (Molly) Markert, Aurora City Councilwoman; Megan J. Masten; Monisha Merchant, Member University Of Colorado Board Of Regents; Michael Merrifield; Marcella (Marcy) L. Morrison; John P. Morse, Colorado State Senator; Pat Noonan; Ben Pearlman, Boulder County Commissioner; Wallace Pulliam; Frank Weddig, Arapahoe County Commissioner; Paul Weissmann; and Joseph W. White.

Honey Badger282.8
06-30-2015, 13:19
Kind of a mixed bag ruling by SCOTUS. They vacated the lower courts decision but didn't rule on it one way or the other before sending it back to the lower court.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28407150/supreme-court-sends-tabor-lawsuit-back-appeals-court

Aloha_Shooter
06-30-2015, 13:57
Kind of a mixed bag ruling by SCOTUS. They vacated the lower courts decision but didn't rule on it one way or the other before sending it back to the lower court.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28407150/supreme-court-sends-tabor-lawsuit-back-appeals-court

After a week of poorly constructed or reasoned decisions that ended up supporting corrupt tyrannical government practices, I'm happy to even get a mixed bag. A mixed bag that includes vacating the decision being celebrated by proponents of increased taxes is still goodness IMO.

Singlestack
06-30-2015, 14:32
As far as I can tell, SCOTUS is requesting the 10th circuit court of appeals to re-hear based on the TABOR opponents (legislators) having standing in their eyes. That was at issue in the Arizona redistricting case. The bad news is this gives the 10th another bite at the apple...

Honey Badger282.8
06-30-2015, 14:55
But SCOTUS ruled against the legislature and in favor of the people in the Arizona case. I'm hoping the tenth does the same.

Zundfolge
06-30-2015, 16:56
But SCOTUS ruled against the legislature and in favor of the people in the Arizona case. I'm hoping the tenth does the same.

In this post constitutional "law as whim" era you just never know.

milwaukeeshaker
06-30-2015, 18:17
Unfortunately I don't think any of the sheeple will do anything but gripe, and pay up. I seriously doubt anyone will move out of state either. Everbody will just go along as they have in the past. How do you think we got where we are?





Perhaps the lawmakers in question should be careful what they wish for, as many of the founding fathers, who authored the Federalist Papers, also advocated the forceful overthrow of governments should they become tyrannical.

Rumline
06-30-2015, 18:27
Will it be the same panel of judges that reconsiders the case?