Mini 14 beats an AR15 any day

[fmj50]

Anyone agree?

[Wulf202]

Trolling much?

[Zundfolge]

Less accurate. Less reliable (I understand that the new ones are supposedly fine but for years they were junk). Proprietary magazines. Heavier. Less accessories available.

http://cheesegod.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/MrHorse-293x300.gif

I'll stick with an AR thankyouverymuch ... would choose a KelTec SU16 over a Mini14 too.

[HBARleatherneck]

Trolling much? no kidding.



http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q220/MordeanGrey/MrT_Gun-2.jpg


oh and 45 is better than 9mm which is better than 40
and Ford is better than chevy which is almost better than dodge.

anything else we can troll?

[hurley842002]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/09/e8de6f10e3809fa393cae547cc425a3a.jpg

[Zundfolge]

anything else we can troll?

You need to check your white privilege.

[fmj50]

Less accurate, hmm, not with a barrel stabilizer. I'd like to do a 100 yards iron sight test.
Reliability I'd say is way better, and the long history of the action is 2nd to none for reliability.
Well, now Tapco makes good poly mags, that they say work great, like the pmags in the AR.
A little heavier, but, I can fold my stock and still fire the gun too.
Less accessories, well I guess you got me on that one, that is until you add a quad rail to a mini, then AR accessories work on it and the new models have a rail over the breech and still allow iron sights, so .....
It comes down to weight?

[glock74]

AR-15 rules!!

[Great-Kazoo]

Less accurate, hmm, not with a barrel stabilizer. I'd like to do a 100 yards iron sight test.
Reliability I'd say is way better, and the long history of the action is 2nd to none for reliability.
Well, now Tapco makes good poly mags, that they say work great, like the pmags in the AR.
A little heavier, but, I can fold my stock and still fire the gun too.
Less accessories, well I guess you got me on that one, that is until you add a quad rail to a mini, then AR accessories work on it and the new models have a rail over the breech and still allow iron sights, so .....
It comes down to weight?

That's what makes this country Great (or did) A right to their own (-)pinion.. I understand the democrats have a great field this year. Your (-)pinion on them.

[HBARleatherneck]

lets be honest here. you own, run or are associated with a business that sells accessories for the mini 14, so you made this thread so somehow the topic would come up so you could bring up your business. right?

[Dave_L]

Mini 14 and mosin nagant...the only 2 rifles I need.

[Skip]

no kidding.

oh and 45 is better than 9mm which is better than 40
and Ford is better than chevy which is almost better than dodge.

anything else we can troll?

What did you just say about .40SW?!? [Mad]

Ford is better. A donkey cart is better than Dodge.

J/K (Accept about Dodge)

[sniper7]

AR blows the mini 14 out of the water. But I'll also go on to say I like the scar better than an AR other than price

[buffalobo]

You are going to have a tough time convincing members of your assertion, but should be entertaining.

BTW, I don't remember seeing any pros(or anyone else for that matter) running Mini 14 in competition.



sent from my electronic ball and chain

[KevDen2005]

Dammit, I want to know about his business already, I need stuff for my mini 14

[fmj50]

Yes and No, just wanted opinions.
The first AR15 I owned, after wanting one for 25 years. Broke.
I opened the action and I was examining the trigger group, i had my thumb on the hammer and released it and let it go the last 1/4" or less and the impact from that broke the bolt hold open lever, it just popped off in 2 pieces.
I still like ARs but honestly they aren't the only gun worth owning IMO.
BTW Mister T is a good guy and the other 2 guys who shot Minis in that show were white, like me.

[BPTactical]

Mini 14: piss poor bastardization of a rock solid, accurate main battle rifle.
Spotty reliability, minute of man accuracy unless modified, expensive mags, limited options on replacement parts and aftermarket enhancements. Never adopted by any military.
The only thing that kept the paperweight in production was the fact Ruger practically gave them away to LE agencies.
AR platform: precision weapon platform of innovative design. MOA or less capability of most renditions out of the box. Extremely reliable with reasonable maintenance, easily worked on by the average Joe, wide variety of enhancements and parts and available all over. Cheap mags. Easily adaptable to many configurations from long range precision rifle to large pistol. Adopted by majority of NATO nations as standard service rifle, US time of service close to 50 years.

Mini 14 = 2.5 hp Tecumseh lawnmower engine
AR platform = Small Block Chevy engine




BTW Mister T is a good guy and the other 2 guys who shot Minis in that show were white, like me.


Even they could never hit anything with them....

[Great-Kazoo]

http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0910/segway-rough-riders-imperial-guard-warhammer-40k-segway-roug-demotivational-poster-1255553637.jpg

[StagLefty]

I sold my mini to get into AR's.

[Great-Kazoo]

Yes and No, just wanted opinions.
The first AR15 I owned, after wanting one for 25 years. Broke.
I opened the action and I was examining the trigger group, i had my thumb on the hammer and released it and let it go the last 1/4" or less and the impact from that broke the bolt hold open lever, it just popped off in 2 pieces.
I still like ARs but honestly they aren't the only gun worth owning IMO.
BTW Mister T is a good guy and the other 2 guys who shot Minis in that show were white, like me.

That's Operator ERROR, not the firearms fault, or poor construction.

You shitter clogs up and overflows. You going to start an OUTHOUSE is better than INDOOR PLUMBING thread. [facepalm]

[fmj50]

Accuracy is as good with a Mini with a barrel stabilizer out to 300 yards.
Now you will say that it has to have that stabilizer and I will say you have to have that dust cover and forward assist.
The Mini action reliability is proven.
The Mini also has an all stainless steel version for superiority in all weather.
I like both but in a shtf scenario when reliability and practicality are priority, I will grab my Mini first.
59457

[fmj50]

Just look
59458

[fmj50]

And if needed I can make it 'look' tame enough as to not get a 2nd look from even the witch Fienstien.
59459

[izzy]

I look at that picture and it kind of reminds me of an SKS. You have inspired me to shoot my M1A this weekend though, so thanks.

[roberth]

Mini-14. [LOL][ROFL2][ROFL3]

I had a nice Oklahoma State Patrol Mini-14 GB in the '80s, I sold it when I got my CAR15, never looked back.

[clodhopper]

Isn't there already a place on this forum somewhere for advertising?

[Sawin]

Just look
59458

Everything about this rifle screams "tapco" to me... in case you didn't know, Tapco is a waste of money (IMO, of course...).

[WETWRKS]

And if needed I can make it 'look' tame enough as to not get a 2nd look from even the witch Fienstien.
59459

Oh...no...Fienstien will blow a gasket over that monstrosity...it has the things in the front that go up.

I think she called them flash silencers...anyways it makes it work like a laser that has the impact of a nukulear esplosion.

:D

[.40isthenew.45]

He just chose the wrong configuration for his mini..... ( I still grab an AR far more often than a mini but each tool has it's place)[dig]


59460
59461

[Monky]

Mini 14: piss poor bastardization of a rock solid, accurate main battle rifle.
Spotty reliability, minute of man accuracy unless modified, expensive mags, limited options on replacement parts and aftermarket enhancements. Never adopted by any military.
The only thing that kept the paperweight in production was the fact Ruger practically gave them away to LE agencies.
AR platform: precision weapon platform of innovative design. MOA or less capability of most renditions out of the box. Extremely reliable with reasonable maintenance, easily worked on by the average Joe, wide variety of enhancements and parts and available all over. Cheap mags. Easily adaptable to many configurations from long range precision rifle to large pistol. Adopted by majority of NATO nations as standard service rifle, US time of service close to 50 years.

Mini 14 = 2.5 hp Tecumseh lawnmower engine
AR platform = Small Block Chevy engine





Even they could never hit anything with them....


Pretty sure burt wins.

[cstone]

That is it. I am quitting this popsicle stand and moving on over to the Colorado Mini14 Shooters web site.

Can anyone help me find that web site?

This thread is a good example of what some of us do when we have nothing better to do or don't want to do what we should be doing.

Be safe.

[davsel]

I don't feel like doing what I am supposed to do today.
So...

Less accurate, hmm, not with a barrel stabilizer. I'd like to do a 100 yards iron sight test.
Reliability I'd say is way better, and the long history of the action is 2nd to none for reliability.
Well, now Tapco makes good poly mags, that they say work great, like the pmags in the AR.
A little heavier, but, I can fold my stock and still fire the gun too.
Less accessories, well I guess you got me on that one, that is until you add a quad rail to a mini, then AR accessories work on it and the new models have a rail over the breech and still allow iron sights, so .....
It comes down to weight?

What is a barrel stabilizer?
What is a 100 yards iron sight test and how does it relate to the accuracy of a rifle?
Who is Tapco?
What is a rail over the breech?

[Martinjmpr]

Everything about this rifle screams "tapco" to me... in case you didn't know, Tapco is a waste of money (IMO, of course...).

Looks like a CTD catalog threw up all over it. :)

[Skip]

That is it. I am quitting this popsicle stand and moving on over to the Colorado Mini14 Shooters web site.

Can anyone help me find that web site?

It's a BBS. You're going to need a 1200 baud modem.

[Martinjmpr]

Back when you could get a Mini 14 for $250 while an AR was $500+, I could see the niche for the Mini. I even owned one from 1983 - 1995.

But accuracy was abysmal. Also when the Chinese started importing SKSs and AKs that undercut the price of the Mini the market niche all but disappeared. The final nail in the Mini's coffin was the explosion of AR clones following the expiration of the AWB in 2004.

Nowadays from what I've seen the Mini is more expensive than a base model AR. And I can't think of one way in which the AR is not superior to the Mini. The Mini's one virtue was its price point and with that gone I'm surprised Ruger is even still making them.

Would you buy a Trabant when you could get a BMW? Especially if the Trabant was more expensive than the BMW?

For those who are too young to know what a Trabant is, here's a link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant

[BushMasterBoy]

How many babies can you fit on a Mini 14 bayonet? Feel free to post your pics...

[davsel]

How many babies can you fit on a Mini 14 bayonet? Feel free to post your pics...

Just the one
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/carnosaur/images/9/93/CurseKomodo_RugerMini14_02.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100313125200
Bayonet still missing

[Joe_K]

https://youtu.be/XGRCRJo9-mM

Killing those cute sacred cows, one video at a time.
The myth that AR-15's are a flawed design and that we should all travel back in time and use the same action from the M-1 Garand/Carbine/ M-14 as it's a truly "proven" system is absolute horse shit. There's a reason the AR-15 has been in front line service with the U.S. Armed Forces for over 50 years, there's a reason the Marine Corps ditched the M-14 platform as a DMR platform and went with the MK-12 and M-110.

MOA accuracy, resistance to failure in extreme adverse conditions have NEVER been hallmarks of the Garand action.

Sent from my SM-G920T using Tapatalk

[TFOGGER]

I have to agree with the OP.

A wood stocked, stainless steel Mini makes a much better club than most ARs.

[rbeau30]

I don't know about this OP. The A-Team used these all the time and they couldn't hit Shit with them. The stainless mags were nice though.


59464 59465 59467

[fmj50]

Oh please show me that sand test with an AR15 ... please!

[izzy]

They show it in the full video, there is a link in the description. Without surprise it works just fine.

[Joe_K]

I will, it passes with flying colors.

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[Sawin]

Oh please show me that sand test with an AR15 ... please!

This is a good video. https://www.full30.com/video/6618755f336970e55e6c50c1fe894ff8

[fmj50]

https://www.full30.com/video/6618755f336970e55e6c50c1fe894ff8
Finally found it, and I am going to get another AR.
But I'll keep my Mini....
And my plans to buy an M1a are shelved also.....

ONe more problem I have with an AR is the front sight view, I can't stand it compared to a hooded front post, but maybe that will be a future project after I get another AR

Thanks guys, it's been fun, now get back to work!

[Grant H.]

This is a good video. https://www.full30.com/video/6618755f336970e55e6c50c1fe894ff8

I've got a lot of love for the AR-15, but in defense of the M1A, the Troy chassis sucks. It makes the action a shit collection unit, instead of being open as designed, and the slot for the charging handle is tight, so it looks nice, but again, makes it a failure point.

If this video was worth a damn, they would have had all three in "stock" form. Not just the AR and MAS.

[izzy]

I kind of agree, never used the troy stock though, that covering the action isn't a good idea. I put on a VLTOR rail (https://www.vltor.com/shop/featured/casv-14-m14-rail-system/) that would catch the cases as they ejected and lock the whole thing up.

[mtnrider]

ONe more problem I have with an AR is the front sight view, I can't stand it compared to a hooded front post, but maybe that will be a future project after I get another AR



Beauty of the AR, You have a hundred different sight options to choose from.....

[Sawin]

I've got a lot of love for the AR-15, but in defense of the M1A, the Troy chassis sucks. It makes the action a shit collection unit, instead of being open as designed, and the slot for the charging handle is tight, so it looks nice, but again, makes it a failure point.

If this video was worth a damn, they would have had all three in "stock" form. Not just the AR and MAS.

Good addendum, and I agree 100%. Thanks for that.

[Sawin]

.....
ONe more problem I have with an AR is the front sight view, I can't stand it compared to a hooded front post, but maybe that will be a future project after I get another AR
....

Here is just one lineup of options... 59468

[Aloha_Shooter]

I like both but in a shtf scenario when reliability and practicality are priority, I will grab my Mini first.

That's nice. You'll be one of the few making that choice. I don't even have a Mini-14 but I'd be grabbing my AR, Tavor, M-1 Garand, M-1A, M-1 Carbine, or even my Beretta Storm before I'd grab a Mini-14. Then again, this is America, we'll all entitled to have many opinions.

[fmj50]

Agree on the line up, I know about the rail mount sights, my last AR had Troy HK style battle sights, I meant the A frame post.
I read that Eugene Stoner wanted a hooded post when they put the M16 in action but the brass said no to changing sight view in the middle of the Viet Nam war and that made sense.

Now if Ark Tactical still has the AR556 by Ruger in stock, what do you al think of that AR?

[th3w01f]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but is breaking the bolt catch a common problem? I've never had one break and I can't say for certain that I've never let the hammer go with some room to spare. Either way that's about a $10 part to replace.

I know he's just trolling but it got me thinking. ;-)

[HBARleatherneck]

in regards to the last post.

the moral of the story is dont pull the trigger and let the hammer drop if your ar is unassembled or if its broke open shotgun style.

[Sawin]

in regards to the last post.

the moral of the story is dont pull the trigger and let the hammer drop if your ar is unassembled or if its broke open shotgun style.

^ this ^

Dry fire, fully assembled is fine.

[clodhopper]

This is a good video. https://www.full30.com/video/6618755f336970e55e6c50c1fe894ff8

I wish they had included a few others, maybe like the FAL.

[Bailey Guns]

I've always had a fondness for the Mini-14...probably because it was the first gun I ever bought for myself. Having said that, if I had to choose between an AR and Mini I'd choose the AR, hands down. Fortunately, I don't have to make that choice.

[hurley842002]

I've always had a fondness for the Mini-14...probably because it was the first gun I ever bought for myself. Having said that, if I had to choose between an AR and Mini I'd choose the AR, hands down. Fortunately, I don't have to make that choice.
Completely agree. I grew up shooting my dad's Mini-14, never had a problem with reliability, or hitting what I was pointing at. With that said, the thought of the mini being better than the AR is laughable.

[Grant H.]

Now if Ark Tactical still has the AR556 by Ruger in stock, what do you al think of that AR?

Perfectly reasonable basic AR-15. A little more expensive than other basic bottom guns, but I've never seen any major issues with them.

[fmj50]

Better hang to to ALL of them, here she comes...
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/08/hillary-clinton-we-must-address-the-uncontrollable-use-of-guns-in-america/

[fmj50]

Crap, I forgot, I have a Keltec SU16, that's an AR, right?

[clodhopper]

Crap, I forgot, I have a Keltec SU16, that's an AR, right?

for you? sure.

[fitz19d]

This op is about as infuriating as those over heard gun store talk stories.

Convinced full troll in effect but can't help but add...... You know you don't have to get those fixed front sight posts.... Like except for bargain guns the trend is sightless and then add your own irons and/or optic. You do know ars can take many more sighting systems then 90s era screw onto the carry handle routes right..... Because the comments sound right out of another decade.

[hurley842002]

This op is about as infuriating as those over heard gun store talk stories.


It's unfortunate that such minor issues "infuriate" you. I'd hate to see your demeanor when real issues occur....

[crashdown]

Not one post about the Mini-30 being superior to the AK-47 or SKS..... I'm surprised.

[Great-Kazoo]

Better hang to to ALL of them, here she comes...
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/08/hillary-clinton-we-must-address-the-uncontrollable-use-of-guns-in-america/

Old news. Some of us knew that back in the early 90's

[Ah Pook]

Just read this thread over lunch. Thanks for the entertainment.

[Bmac]

Mini 14: piss poor bastardization of a rock solid, accurate main battle rifle.
Spotty reliability, minute of man accuracy unless modified, expensive mags, limited options on replacement parts and aftermarket enhancements. Never adopted by any military.
The only thing that kept the paperweight in production was the fact Ruger practically gave them away to LE agencies.
AR platform: precision weapon platform of innovative design. MOA or less capability of most renditions out of the box. Extremely reliable with reasonable maintenance, easily worked on by the average Joe, wide variety of enhancements and parts and available all over. Cheap mags. Easily adaptable to many configurations from long range precision rifle to large pistol. Adopted by majority of NATO nations as standard service rifle, US time of service close to 50 years.

Mini 14 = 2.5 hp Tecumseh lawnmower engine
AR platform = Small Block Chevy engine





Even they could never hit anything with them....


You need to work on saying what you are TRULY feeling and let it out. Mincing words and not "boiling down" your ideas is bad for your chi... Just sayin' lol

[BPTactical]

Better hang to to ALL of them, here she comes...
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/08/hillary-clinton-we-must-address-the-uncontrollable-use-of-guns-in-america/

Insanity: (in-san-i-ty) noun, plural: insanities

Definition: Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results.
See above example.




Oh and shooting a Mini 14 is like schtoinking your sister...........it might feel ok but you know it is wrong and you don't want anybody you know to see you doing it.

[Great-Kazoo]

Insanity: (in-san-i-ty) noun, plural: insanities

Definition: Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results.
See above example.




Oh and shooting a Mini 14 is like schtoinking your sister...........it might feel ok but you know it is wrong and you don't want anybody you know to see you doing it.

depends if it was her making the first move.

[Bmac]

This thread just went off the rails. It was fun tough!

[davsel]

I like pie

[68Charger]

Mini 14 beats an AR15 any dayAnyone agree?

If you mean "beats" as in like a billy club... sure.

But just to play along, there are 1000s of variants of "ar15" now... some of them are bound to be worse than a mini-14 at some things.
But as an overall platform, just caliber selection alone leaves the Ruger Mini-series seriously wanting.

[blacklabel]

The mini-14.co forums must be especially slow today. I wonder why.

[MarkCO]

I thought this was going to be a "made you look" OP. Oh well. only wasted 30 seconds.

[Samurai]

Crap, I forgot, I have a Keltec SU16, that's an AR, right?

No wonder you dont like AR's, if I bought shitty guns I would share the same opinion...[ROFL1]

[Bailey Guns]

Better hang to to ALL of them, here she comes...
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/08/hillary-clinton-we-must-address-the-uncontrollable-use-of-guns-in-america/

She might wanna axe her hubby how pissing off the gun lobby worked out for him in the 94 house/senate elections.

[theGinsue]

Hi, my name's Ginsue & I was a Mini-14 "addict".

I grew up watching the A-Team when it originally aired. I just loved the Mini-14 & got my first (and only) one for my 18th birthday. I still think it looks pretty cool, but... I was lucky to hit the paper at 100 yards (certainly with no discernible pattern or accuracy), dealt with more FTF & FTE's than I'd like to admit, only had one 20-rnd Ruger mag and 1 30-rnd aftermarket mag which sticks bad going in and worse coming out, but for more than 25 years I never said a cross word about that rifle. THEN, about 7 years ago, I finally got my first AR. I still have that Mini-14, but it hasn't made it more than a few feet out of my safe since I got that AR and found out I could shoot a semi-auto rifle with accuracy, have far fewer FTF/FTE's, can (and have) afforded LOTS of magazines and really ENJOY shooting.

Given the choice of one or the other, I wouldn't hesitate to grab the AR and dump the Mini.

[Alpha2]

I've had gunsmiths that I trust tell me that the mini 14 will defy all attempts to accurize it. They can't explain it, but some fine looking aircraft designs in WWII era couldn't be made to fly well. They even looked good, so much for that old saw. (Heck, how about the T-tailed Arrow?)

[SouthPaw]

Given the choice of one or the other, I wouldn't hesitate to grab the AR and dump the Mini.

Careful, he might try to buy it from you.

[th3w01f]

the moral of the story is dont pull the trigger and let the hammer drop if your ar is unassembled or if its broke open shotgun style.

Damnit, now I want to try it and see what breaks. :)

[zimagold]

I find the urge to buy a Mini comes up watching 1980's action movies, but then I look at the current price and think better of it.

[BPTactical]

Just look
59458


What threw up on that?

[Zundfolge]

Just look
59458

How much $$ you have tied up in that rig?

Look, I've always really wished I could like the Mini 14/30 because I do like the M1A/M14 (even though there are better semi auto .308s) and the M1 Carbine, so I'm not trying to be a dick here. If you're happier with a Mini 14 over an AR that's fine but to say that the Mini is a better gun than the AR overall is just factually incorrect (once you set aside purely subjective nonsense).

Oh well I guess this means we'll all have one less person to compete with next time there's an AR buying frenzy. :D

[rbeau30]

This thread makes me want to buy one for shits and grins just to see what I am missing.

[Irving]

This thread makes me want to buy one for shits and grins just to see what I am missing.

Just the target.

[rbeau30]

Just the target.

Touché

$800?????? I would rather just get an AR
http://www.big5sportinggoods.com/store/details/Ruger+Mini-14-.223-Semi-Auto-Ranch-Rifle/0310137530016/_/A-3862315#.VZ8pWvlViko

[BPTactical]

Just the target.
[LOL][LOL][LOL][ROFL3][ROFL1][ROFL2]



798 degrees Kelvin BURN!

[rbeau30]

Stu winsz teh thread!

[cfortune]

This:

Stu winsz teh thread!

and this:


[LOL][LOL][LOL][ROFL3][ROFL1][ROFL2]



798 degrees Kelvin BURN!


Well played Irving

[HoneyBadger]

When I was building my very first AR, I "dry fired" the lower by itself hundreds of times before I read that it was potentially damaging. Never broke anything. Still shoot that lower the most. Probably has 2000+rds through it after the separated "dry firing". [Dunno]

never owned or shot a mini 14. Never wanted to.

[Bailey Guns]

I'm of the opinion the older Mini-14s got a bad accuracy rep from the very course front sight blade. At 100 yards the blade will almost completely obscure a regular-sized silhouette target. I had an older Ranch Rifle that would group about 6 or 8 inches at 100 yds with the irons...but scoped it would group around 1 or 2 inches with the same ammo.

I still have two (that I NEVER shoot)...an older, late 70s vintage GB model and a new (never fired) "LE" model. I keep 'em around now for sentimental reasons.

[Mazin]

This thread reminds me that I Miss the "Your Gun is Poop thread", so I bumped it [Coffee]

IMHO the Mini 14 was one of the very few flops that Ruger has produced.

[osok-308]

Mini 14 and mosin nagant...the only 2 rifles I need.

Yes on the mosin, no on the mini.



There's a reason the AR-15 has been in front line service with the U.S. Armed Forces for over 50 years, there's a reason the Marine Corps ditched the M-14 platform as a DMR platform and went with the MK-12 and M-110.


Beautifully said. Eugene Stoner's design has lasted the test of time.

[hollohas]

Now if Ark Tactical still has the AR556 by Ruger in stock, what do you al think of that AR?

He had a couple last week.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/10/eef928b3c0c78b85a074cce6138a5a1e.jpg

[osok-308]

It's also not a good sign for the mini 14 that Ruger started making ARs. If even Ruger is jumping on the bandwagon, that can't be a good sign for the mini...

[CapLock]

Like Stag lefty I sold my mini when I got into ARs. Never did miss it.
As to indoor vs outdoor. My great grandfather was sickened when he first heard of indoor plumbing. Said it would be over his dead body before anyone took a shit in his house. LoL

[Aloha_Shooter]

IMHO the Mini 14 was one of the very few flops that Ruger has produced.

I wouldn't go that far. The Mini-14 was (and continues to be) a commercial success. It has been popular as a general utility gun. I just wouldn't say it "beats an AR-15 any day" as the OP did. Stupid regressive liberals (I'm sorry, that's double redundant) will certainly be more alarmed at the appearance of a cheap tacticool AR than a Mini-14 ranch model. As much as they like to say "you can't judge a book by its cover," they do that constantly so if your objective is to be armed with considerable firepower without inducing panic attacks and knee jerk pants-wetting, the Mini-14 is a safer bet than an AR. I kind of like seeing liberals wet their pants or bark mindlessly so I prefer the AR. [Coffee]

[BPTactical]

Again, the ONLY reason the Mini series of Ruger rifles stayed in production was Ruger essentially gave them away to LE agencies.

[Joe_K]

I encountered a guy at the rifle range one day that was shooting a Mini 14 and preaching the gospel during target changes to all that would listen that AR-15's were junk, couldn't be depended on when SHTF, and that the Mini was the way to go, when pressed for why he had chosen the Mini 14 as his "ultimate survival rifle" and after pointing out that no Military of substance has ever issued them, that few LE agencies still carried them, that mags were twice the cost of PMAGS, and that his rifle could only hope to shoot 2-3 MOA- he replied that he just didn't like the AR-15 and that his Mini 14 worked and he saw no real reason to switch.

I tend to view such folks as the Amish of the shooting community, yes a horse and buggy still works as a daily commuter, but even Ezekiel Schmidt wishes he had an F-150.

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[izzy]

I encountered a guy at the rifle range one day that was shooting a Mini 14 and preaching the gospel during target changes to all that would listen that AR-15's were junk, couldn't be depended on when SHTF, and that the Mini was the way to go, when pressed for why he had chosen the Mini 14 as his "ultimate survival rifle" and after pointing out that no Military of substance has ever issued them, that few LE agencies still carried them, that mags were twice the cost of PMAGS, and that his rifle could only hope to shoot 2-3 MOA- he replied that he just didn't like the AR-15 and that his Mini 14 worked and he saw no real reason to switch.

I tend to view such folks as the Amish of the shooting community, yes a horse and buggy still works as a daily commuter, but even Ezekiel Schmidt wishes he had an F-150.

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Luddite is the word that comes to mind for me. I think we've already heard that the mini-14 would make a great hammer too.

[Martinjmpr]

Again, the ONLY reason the Mini series of Ruger rifles stayed in production was Ruger essentially gave them away to LE agencies.

There was also the fact that for quite a few years the Mini was literally the cheapest centerfire semi-auto you could buy apart from the M1 carbine. And the fact that the Mini fired the 5.56/.223 made it, literally "the poor man's AR."

Then around 1989 or so, the Chinese started shipping SKSs and AKs to the US in bulk and undercutting the price of the Mini by quite a bit. It didn't hurt that the Chinese also sold 7.62x39 ammo at fire sale prices that undercut the price of .223 by a fair margin (this was long before you could get bulk Russian 5.56.)

Ruger tried to jump on the bandwagon with the Mini 30 after their failure with the XGI (who remembers that? I do!) But even then, shooters could buy 3 SKSs for the price of one Mini 30 (and IMO the SKS is a superior rifle anyway. I'd even go so far as to say the SKS is superior to the AK but that's a topic for another time.)

Once everybody and their brother with a CNC machine started making AR lowers the entire reason for the Mini 14 to exist disappeared. The fact that Ruger still even makes them is either a testament to their determination or their stubborn stupidity.

[fmj50]

What if, Ruger brought back the XGI, .308, and made it to accept AR10 pmags, and priced it under 700.00, huh, then what would you guys think.
A folding stock 308 with pmags, maybe a factory quad rail, yeah................
Problem is they have to retool everything and as good as Minis continue to sell, I don't think they will do that, but since their 'management' changes, who knows.

[fmj50]

I still think someone should set up a 120 round semi rapid fire test of the Mini vs AR at 50 yards, one second between shots, off a bench, and prove to the world if one is more accurate or more dependable than the other once and for all. I think it would be close to equal. On video of course. Anyone agree, or volunteer for the AR team?
You basic M4 configuration AR, My 581 with barrel stabilizer and iron sights only.
Remember, no offense intended, but talk is cheap.

[cstone]

Can we just stamp a Confederate battle flag on the Mini-14 and this thread.

It seems like the time has come for these old symbols to go. [Sarcasm2]

[BPTactical]

Can we just stamp a Confederate battle flag on the Mini-14 and this thread.

It seems like the time has come for these old symbols to go. [Sarcasm2]

Don't insult the Stars and Bars in such a manner...

[clodhopper]

I still think someone should set up a 120 round semi rapid fire test of the Mini vs AR at 50 yards, one second between shots, off a bench, and prove to the world if one is more accurate or more dependable than the other once and for all. I think it would be close to equal. On video of course. Anyone agree, or volunteer for the AR team?
You basic M4 configuration AR, My 581 with barrel stabilizer and iron sights only.
Remember, no offense intended, but talk is cheap.


Just a question: Why does the mini get accurizing parts but the AR has to be standard M4? Shouldn't it be stock mini vs stock AR?

[Irving]

The only reason the South even lost was because the Mini-14 was never adopted by their military.

[Zundfolge]

What if, Ruger brought back the XGI, .308, and made it to accept AR10 pmags, and priced it under 700.00, huh, then what would you guys think.


Of course we'd like it (if it worked) but the likelihood of them bringing out a .308 XGI are virtually nil to begin with and if they did it would likely be more than twice your $700 price. They would be better off building an AR10. Furthermore it wouldn't make the Mini 14 any better (its kind of like you're saying "you should LOVE the Chevrolet Spark because they also make the Corvette").

[izzy]

The only reason the South even lost was because the Mini-14 was never adopted by their military.

That's some funny shit

[HBARleatherneck]

How many mini-14s exist? Im guessing looking at serial numbers... maybe 700,000.

How many Ar-15s exist? Millions are made every year. I dont know but that says something. Or maybe people are telling Bill Ruger what they think about his Zumboing us.

[HoneyBadger]

Just a question: Why does the mini get accurizing parts but the AR has to be standard M4? Shouldn't it be stock mini vs stock AR?
doesn't matter. A $500 PSA AR can easily handle 150rds at less than 2MOA. Why fifty yards? Why off a bench? Why with 1 second between shots? How does this have anything to do with dependability? Under these circumstances, your souped-up Mini may very well be "equal" to an AR. But that's totally irrelevant. That's like saying that an F150 and a Frontier are "equal" because when it's raining on the highway in June at 7000ft, they can both seat about the same number of people.

Man, you just don't give up, do you? [LOL]

[Sawin]

doesn't matter. A $500 PSA AR can easily handle 150rds at less than 2MOA. Why fifty yards? Why off a bench? Why with 1 second between shots? How does this have anything to do with dependability? Under these circumstances, your souped-up Mini may very well be "equal" to an AR. But that's totally irrelevant. That's like saying that an F150 and a Frontier are "equal" because when it's raining on the highway in June at 7000ft, they can both seat about the same number of people.

Man, you just don't give up, do you? [LOL]

hahahaha I love this place.

[68Charger]

Mini-14, AR-15... what's next? Maxi-16?

[fmj50]

Because I shoot at Cherry Creek and I have severe spinal stenosis and need to sit.

[cstone]

The only reason the South even lost was because the Mini-14 was never adopted by their military.

I once read a historical novel about the Confederate battle flag winning the War of Northern Aggression and it turns out that all the South needed was some time traveling, racist, Afrikaners to give the Confederacy lots of AK 47s.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Guns-South-Harry-Turtledove/dp/0345384687

I seriously hate alternative history. Even the term is moronic. If it is an alternative than it isn't history and the rest of the world knows it as FICTION!

But the alternative North could have beaten the alternative South if some time traveling, Jamaicans had given the Union Mini 14s. I'm sure of it. [gohome]

[spqrzilla]

And yet ... Harry Turtledove is a nice guy.

[Joe_K]

If the barrel stabilizer works as advertised then why don't you see if Ruger will give you a contract to make them for thier 14's and 30's? [Don't forget me if you make millions]. If you've got a solution to an accuracy problem I think that's great. But I believe there's more to the 14's lack of mass acceptance as a duty/patrol ready rifle than a lack of accuracy.

Folk's that own a 14 and cannot afford a new AR-15 could greatly benefit from economically enhancing their Mini 14/30, but to hope for everyone to run out and buy something that no Military or Law Enforcement in todays world would ever adopt strikes of wishful thinking.

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[sniper7]

How about my AR15 with a can cannon upper shooting blanks. I'll lob cans of coke more accurately than your mini 14. I will however need more than 1 second to reload.

[Bailey Guns]

The only reason the South even lost was because the Mini-14 was never adopted by their military.

That's just funny!

[Aloha_Shooter]

What if, Ruger brought back the XGI, .308, and made it to accept AR10 pmags, and priced it under 700.00, huh, then what would you guys think.
A folding stock 308 with pmags, maybe a factory quad rail, yeah................
Problem is they have to retool everything and as good as Minis continue to sell, I don't think they will do that, but since their 'management' changes, who knows.

Why in God's name would I want something like that when I can get an M-1 Carbine and not punish myself by shooting .308 without a buttstock? The CMP has run out of them but there are other sources. Man, you are REALLY stuck on the Mini platform.

[ray1970]

The mini-14 is probably better than the AR-15 for clubbing baby seals. So, if you're into clubbing little baby seals to death the mini-14 is probably for you.

[cstone]

So ends another attempt by a business to generate interest in their products.