Church shooter should have been denied firearn purchase.

[buffalobo]

According to this article.


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/charleston-church-shooting/fbi-says-dyann-roof-should-not-have-been-sold-gun-n390056
(http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/charleston-church-shooting/fbi-says-dyann-roof-should-not-have-been-sold-gun-n390056)


Anti gunners will be howling by 5 o'clock.

[Guylee]

That would have prevented the entire thing! OH THE HUGE MANATEE!

[DavieD55]

Didn't someone give him the firearm he used?

[WillysWagon]

Looks like the gov just opened the door to lawsuits !!!

[DenverGP]

Didn't someone give him the firearm he used?

Original info from his Uncle said that his father gave him the gun. Investigations discovered that he purchased the gun himself with money that was a gift from his father.

[SideShow Bob]

Start expecting more delays, holds and denials for everyone doing a BGC for a long while.

[Dave_L]

I figure we'll hear demands for a 7 day waiting period along with access to all records ever.

[ray1970]

Colorado doesn't even use the federal system unless I understood it wrong. They use the state bureau for background checks. I wonder how many other states don't use the federal system for their background checks?

[Bailey Guns]

Colorado uses both in-state and the NICS systems.

[GilpinGuy]

That would have prevented the entire thing!

If only he was denied access to certain flags...

[SideShow Bob]

Colorado uses both in-state and the NICS systems.

And you can bet that both are going to start double checking things before an approval just for a CYA. And will start backing things up, then we will have a de facto waiting period due to the backlog, like the 6 day waits during the last panic.

[Great-Kazoo]

If only he was denied access to certain flags...

Or clothing. There's no cry to boycott the mfg of the jacket he was wearing. Typical liberal knee jerk reaction. BAN IT, if we don't agree with it.

[Dave_L]

Im supposed to run a BGC tomorrow so I'll let you know how long it takes.

[XC700116]

Sad deal, and we're all gonna pay for it.

[Skip]

(http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/charleston-church-shooting/fbi-says-dyann-roof-should-not-have-been-sold-gun-n390056)
Anti gunners will be howling by 5 o'clock.

What credability do they have? They wanted BGCs by gov beaurucrats and they got it.

It didn't work--we all knew that would happen. Their ideas don't work. Make the BGCs more difficult/expensive and people will stop doing them.

[mindfold]

The next push will be deny until approved. The current law states that after the 3 day wait period they must allow the purchase. The next law will be deny purchase unless there is an approval from said .gov.


Sent from my tin foil coated mind reading device.

[Gcompact30]

Well that was government error. That goes to show background checks fail if your employee fails to pay attention. However, even if he was denied and they caught it, he still could have still completed the crime by stealing one. That is what cowards and criminals do. I thought the uncle bought the gun as a gift and not the shooter. Liberal media putting out bad information as usual. Prayers go to the family of the victims. I am so glad I have purchased everything I will ever need in this State.

[Justin]

I figure we'll hear demands for a 7 day waiting period along with access to all records ever.

Heard a bit on NPR a couple of days ago where the left-wing Dem spokesman floated the idea that if your NICS check doesn't come back clean within the 3 day time limit, it should be an automatic denial rather than an automatic approval.

So much for due process.

[rbeau30]

Honestly... Why did the folks just sit there and wait around to be shot? Supposedly he reloaded multiple times.

People need to stop being little scared sheep--waiting for the Shepard to come save them--and fight back.


I agree, this is a new twist on the story to get people emotional enough to help strip more rights from folks.

[Jer]

I see stuff like this and I think the opposite. Less gun restrictions and laws means that law abiding citizens can more easily afford the right to defend themselves. Who knows if someone might have had a gun to defend themselves in this particular situation but the odds would have increased. Face it, those who wish to do wrong or commit crimes will get guns no matter what. Make them illegal and bad guys still get them. All you do is restrict those who actually care about the laws. Criminals, by nature, don't fit this description. I don't understand the mindset that thinks the opposite of this. It's a delusional one that clings to a pipe dream that in a perfect world we'll all hold hands and sing the songs of our people. This isn't going to happen. In reality the good people need the ability to protect themselves from the bad people. Pulling your head under the sheet and acting like they're not out there doesn't protect you from them if they happen to find you and this story simply proves that.

[Irving]

Honestly... Why did the folks just sit there and wait around to be shot? Supposedly he reloaded multiple times.

People need to stop being little scared sheep--waiting for the Shepard to come save them--and fight back.


I agree, this is a new twist on the story to get people emotional enough to help strip more rights from folks.

I've been waiting for this comment to come along. Not everyone is as tough as we like to think we are. I know I'm not. The first real fist fight I was in, I was getting jumped by two guys way smaller than me who were lit on something and just looking for trouble. While they were wailing on my face, I was trying to talk to them the whole time. It never even really occurred to me that I should have been the one stomping heads into the sidewalk and not the other way around. For months after that, I became pretty physically aggressive towards people and did things that I probably shouldn't have. Even now, I train for defensive pistol, but the mind set isn't ever really there, as I do it just because I like it. I like that what I perceive as fun, can also be a survival skill if it ever comes to it, and while my mind may still be in shock at the developing situation, my body may be able to react in a way that saves my life.

All that being said, I think of my mother-in-law, and a majority of older women in my life, and can't imagine anything that they would have realistically done. I think this is a question that can be asked inside our heads, and used to help keep our focus sharp, but to ask it out loud is on the same level as asking a rape victim about what she was wearing that day.

[Irving]

I see stuff like this and I think the opposite. Less gun restrictions and laws means that law abiding citizens can more easily afford the right to defend themselves. Who knows if someone might have had a gun to defend themselves in this particular situation but the odds would have increased. Face it, those who wish to do wrong or commit crimes will get guns no matter what. Make them illegal and bad guys still get them. All you do is restrict those who actually care about the laws. Criminals, by nature, don't fit this description. I don't understand the mindset that thinks the opposite of this. It's a delusional one that clings to a pipe dream that in a perfect world we'll all hold hands and sing the songs of our people. This isn't going to happen. In reality the good people need the ability to protect themselves from the bad people. Pulling your head under the sheet and acting like they're not out there doesn't protect you from them if they happen to find you and this story simply proves that.

I think that people going for gun control are assuming that the more difficult it is to obtain guns, that over time, the less guns will be available because they'll loose interest and get another hobby. One could probably use the social campaign and the sin taxing of cigarettes as an example on both sides of the argument. While one might point out that a LOT less people smoke now than in the 1950's where you could smoke in a hospital, I would point out that despite all the unjust legislation and taxation, a lot of people still smoke, cigarettes are easy to obtain if one really wants one, AND people have moved onto alternatives like vaping.
The people who want tougher gun laws are more blind to the fact that there are a LOT of guns and a LOT of gun owners out there, and even if buying a gun were made illegal tomorrow, the availability of weapons to criminals would hardly drop at all.

[Skip]

Honestly... Why did the folks just sit there and wait around to be shot? Supposedly he reloaded multiple times.

People need to stop being little scared sheep--waiting for the Shepard to come save them--and fight back.

I agree, this is a new twist on the story to get people emotional enough to help strip more rights from folks.

I agree!

The shepherd was biggov and he failed to make an appearance. Just like he's failed to replace fathers, failed to end poverty, and failed to create racial, social, and economic justice.

These events should be a wake up call to any rational person who previously outsourced his security to biggov. But we seem to be short on rational people these days.

My bigger beef is why do gun control advocates who create these situations (gun-free zones, victim mentality, disarming the good people) still have credibility? Why does anyone care much less listen? They said BGCs are the answer, rights be damned. Well, look at the outcome.

[Great-Kazoo]

I agree!


My bigger beef is why do gun control advocates who create these situations (gun-free zones, victim mentality, disarming the good people) still have credibility? Why does anyone care much less listen? They said BGCs are the answer, rights be damned. Well, look at the outcome.

They are preaching to the entitlement crowd. Also to those who truly believe, or were taught to believe, someone calling a cop / dialing 911 will stop the threat. They are also the ones who want biggov to hold their hand (ACA), why? Because they lack the backbone and courage to make it on their own. They are afraid of failing so once again the .gov teat makes them more secure. Which we here (well most of us) know is a false sense of security.

What they do have is a vast network (clitter, fb, texting, MEDIA etc) that allows them to communicate instantaneously, just about anywhere in the world. Perfect example HANDS UP, DON'T SHOOT. Browns body wasn't even cold before the first windows were being broken.

The right, R's even middle of the road politicians for some reason have been cowered in to not raising their voice, for 2 reasons.
1: YOU'RE RACIST

2: YOU'RE HOMOPHOBIC


Wish they had the spine to tell the flag burners to STFU. Trump for all his weakness is not afraid to call "A Spade A Spade" Yet even with this woman's killing in SF the left & media still tries to denounce Trump as the one who's wrong. Saul Alinsky Playbook.

[spqrzilla]

News reports are incorrect, misled by the FBI Director's misleading comments.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/07/11/dylann-roof-apparently-had-not-been-arrested-for-a-felony-a-month-before-he-went-through-a-gun-purchase-background-check/