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Fuck these worthless pansy ass pathetic excuse for human beings. This is what this country has come to - a nation of utter and complete wimps, too wrapped up in their own little world, or too afraid of what *might* happen, to do a damn thing to help someone else.
These bottom feeders are beneath contempt -- and are a prime example of what people, nursing at the tit of the government, have become.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/09/behold-the-beta-males-who-feel-good-about-watching-a-man-die/
…What I don’t wish is that I had somehow tried to attack the assailant. I am a little bit larger than he was, but I would not have won. It’s scary, because if we had been sitting closer and had seen the attack start I probably would have tried to help, and would have been stabbed.
We asked the police if we could/should have done something differently, and they said that we did the right thing—get to safety and get help (well, I guess my wife did the right thing, I’m kind of a dumbass). On top of that, they said to focus on remembering everything you can about the assailant.
I am lucky to be alive. But Kevin is not, and my heart breaks every time I think about it.
More:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/victim-in-metro-slaying-stabbed-repeatedly-during-robbery-on-train/2015/07/07/8dd09132-249b-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html
That is VERY sad, America is imploding on itself, what ever happened to bravery and honor...oh thats right political correctness and pure selfishness have destroyed it
generalmeow
07-14-2015, 15:00
Fuck these worthless pansy ass pathetic excuse for human beings. This is what this country has come to - a nation of utter and complete wimps, too wrapped up in their own little world, or too afraid of what *might* happen, to do a damn thing to help someone else.
These bottom feeders are beneath contempt -- and are a prime example of what people, nursing at the tit of the government, have become.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/09/behold-the-beta-males-who-feel-good-about-watching-a-man-die/
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You may be surprised to find that many here do not share our view of jumping in on a situation like this. I made a similar post years back about some crying naked bloody woman coming to someone's door, and the people wouldn't let her in, and then her boyfriend caught up with her on the doorstep and killed her right there. I would have thought unanimously everyone here would get their gun out and let her in, but if I remember correctly more people were said they would not let her in. Not their problem they sez. Maybe a trap they sez.
Zundfolge
07-14-2015, 15:03
This happened in a gun free zone ... if I'm someplace where the state has forced me to be disarmed I'm not taking on a criminal with a knife either.
I'd bet 90%+ of Americans licensed to CCW would have double tapped this punk if they were allowed to be armed there.
It's not a comparable situation to help someone in public, and to invite conflict into your domicile. I don't remember how I responded to the naked woman thread.
BushMasterBoy
07-14-2015, 15:11
The .gov is completely corrupt.
Folks just huddled together in the train car waiting to be the next victim. Not only did they not intervene to help someone out who was getting viciously attacked, they waited to be the next victim and did nothing to stop 1 man.
Sounds familiar.
sellersm
07-14-2015, 15:19
There are other ways to stop evil than having a gun. This is the culmination of the Spirit of Jezebel that's been alive & well in this Nation for centuries! Males are being turned into Ahabs, who will not do anything but be sensitive and aware of their "emotional quotient".
Welcome to the new amerika...
It would have only taken one person to step up and not be a pussy, for at least a few of the other witnesses to step in and help. BE THE FIRST RESPONDER! This pisses me off... I'm sick of people nowadays and I'm only in my 30's!
clodhopper
07-14-2015, 16:19
I don't see the comparison to United 93. I know the author tried to say they were only the same morally, but I don't think morals are a prime thought in the moment. Certainly on the plane, if you know you will die anyway, I would be exacting maximum damage regardless the risk, why not right? Those on the train were not in immediate danger, ie they could assume it was a targeted attack and they would not be impacted provided they stayed out of the way.
I would like to say I would have been right in there kicking the kid's ass, but depending on how fast it occurred, situational shock may rule during the time the guy might have been saved. The punk wouldn't have left that traincar without a police escort, that much is for sure. That moral argument is a tough one for me to sign onto. As fast as things like this happen, an ingrained sheepdog reaction may be all that could have saved the guy. Otherwise it would require some group think for enough unarmed guys to silently agree to wade in, but that isn't a split second occurrence.
The general reaction doesn't surprise me. I doubt it would have been much different in times past. We like to romantically think that at one time our country was populated by badasses with no self preservation inclination, who fearlessly kick ass all over. When really, those guys are just as scarce as they were years past. We just don't document historically the nameless guys who didn't step up to the challenge.
It does, however, make for a spicy column that sparks debate.
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Unbelievable. My purse doesn't have a brick in it, but I bet one good wind-up and a knock up his head would distract him. Then I'd proceed to stomp the ever-living crap out of that roach. This is absolutely shameful. Just reading this story makes me want to give some wall-to-wall therapy to that 18-year-old. I'm not 50 yet, but I sure don't excuse that 52-year-old woman based on her age or sex alone.
The D.C. mentality makes me sick.
Even the assailant thought those ten cowards were too worthless to stab.
Unbelievable. My purse doesn't have a brick in it, but I bet one good wind-up and a knock up his head would distract him. Then I'd proceed to stomp the ever-living crap out of that roach. This is absolutely shameful. Just reading this story makes me want to give some wall-to-wall therapy to that 18-year-old. I'm not 50 yet, but I sure don't excuse that 52-year-old woman based on her age or sex alone.
The D.C. mentality makes me sick.
I don't have a brick in my purse either... that being said... I've trained to disarm knives/bats/sticks and against someone who knows how to use a knife, or even those that don't.. you're going to get cut/hit. It's a matter of what you give up as the target to whether or not you'll stay in the fight. That shock knife hurts too.. I don't care how much of a bad ass you are, in close quarters with a knife is no where to play. Doesn't one of the guys here do CQC against knives? Most of us I'm sure have a knife of some sort in our pockets or on our person along with a firearm.. but how many know how to actually use it as a weapon/defensively with effect?
I'd have probably found my moment to strike and done it decisively, but none of us are chuck norris, steven segal, or even bruce lee. That moment may have never presented itself.. if the kid was high on something it would have been a worse idea if I was unarmed. A poorly executed attempt to help just creates more victims.. rushing the guy would have worked, but even then someone is going to get cut. Self preservation is a must. I can handle my own, but I'm not stupid.
You calling me stupid, Monky? Because I wouldn't have stood by and done nothing but watch?
Bailey Guns
07-14-2015, 17:16
You calling me stupid, Monky? Because I wouldn't have stood by and done nothing but watch?
[handbags]
Oh, it's on, now.
(I don't think he was calling you stupid, Grey)
For those who have been in this type of situation, I am glad you are here reading this.
For those who have not facee this type of situation, please do not let this discussion turn into a display of Internet bravery.
Each of us is gifted to do what we can. For some that is to remain safe and be good witnesses. For others, they are called to stop the violence and defend the innocent. For others, they are to care for those who have been harmed. Some fortunate few are able to do all three.
Be safe.
Crowd mentality SHOULD dictate that there would be participation from others, but not guaranteed, and you are likely to sustain some damage before others step in.
Personal choice, and definitely situation driven decision.
Not one of these people stepped up to help, what makes you think that you would get any help after you jumped in and got into trouble?
If you aren't 100% sure you cant end it yourself, you better not get involved at all as well.
If only they made a tool that would put all people on an equal playing field where you could intervene from a distance without requiring you be stronger and faster than the assailant... If only.
You mean like a nice sturdy cane?
Well I guess lots of people are calling others stupid now... I mean if that's what you got from reading my post.
Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.
Rucker61
07-14-2015, 19:45
Man, this hits close to home. I, with my wife and kids, were on the other end of the Red Line headed into DC when this happened. They announced at every stop that service on this Red Line would not go through that stop, and luckily we were getting off about four stops earlier. I did not feel comfortable the entire time we were in DC. I guess that was a gut feeling that I should listen to.
DenverGP
07-14-2015, 20:22
I did not feel comfortable the entire time we were in DC. I guess that was a gut feeling that I should listen to.
You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.
Crowd mentality SHOULD dictate that there would be participation from others, but not guaranteed, and you are likely to sustain some damage before others step in.
Personal choice, and definitely situation driven decision.
Actually. Science says that is false. The more people in the crowd, the less likely someone will help. Its fucking horrible that this is human nature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
Not one of these people stepped up to help, what makes you think that you would get any help after you jumped in and got into trouble?
Science says that if one person breaks ranks and tries to help, the rest of the crowd will as well.
All if would have taken is for ONE FUCKING PERSON to not be a fucking worthless pussy who was more concerned about their own safety than trying to help someone being MURDERED right in front of them.
And the cops state that all those people did the right thing too.
We are being indoctrinated to feel that if we just observe and report, that "officials" will come save us and tell us what to do.
assuming you would act a specific way is kind of dumb. when in the moment, unarmed, you start to think of your kids, your wife, whatever. certainly i would be looking for something i could hit him with but I'm not jumping in to a knife fight completely unarmed. you need some legitimate hand to hand training for that sort of thing and i don't have it. if some old geezer had an aluminum cane sure id grab it and whack him good over the head. but bare hands? no way. not unless a few other guys all looked each other with the "we have to do something" face. otherwise the story would just read "two people stabbed to death in train. one leaves behind an 11 month old child and wife". no thanks.
i would actually feel more comfortable getting into it with a guy with a gun than with a knife. i at least know how the gun works and how to avoid it.
Well then I am just dumb to think that if I saw something like this happen in front of me and feel that I would react in a way (in any way possible) to prevent me from being the next dead guy.
If that means jumping into a knife fight with a sharpened pencil in my hand so be it.
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funkymonkey1111
07-14-2015, 21:04
this doesn't remind me of flight 93, but more the Fero's bar killing in Denver. 5 people stabbed to death. it always baffled me (and no, i don't know the details) that 5 people were stabbed to death by one person.
I had completely forgotten about Fero's bar. In glancing at the news of that event, it seems there were two brothers that served as accomplices (in what capacity, I couldn't say.)
Fuck these worthless pansy ass pathetic excuse for human beings. This is what this country has come to - a nation of utter and complete wimps, too wrapped up in their own little world, or too afraid of what *might* happen, to do a damn thing to help someone else.
These bottom feeders are beneath contempt -- and are a prime example of what people, nursing at the tit of the government, have become.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/09/behold-the-beta-males-who-feel-good-about-watching-a-man-die/
More:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/victim-in-metro-slaying-stabbed-repeatedly-during-robbery-on-train/2015/07/07/8dd09132-249b-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html
It must be a defense mechanism us humans have!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJd5h8f4n8Y
Well then I am just dumb to think that if I saw something like this happen in front of me and feel that I would react in a way (in any way possible) to prevent me from being the next dead guy.
If that means jumping into a knife fight with a sharpened pencil in my hand so be it.
my point is chastising people in a situation like that for how they acted is pretty dumb without being in the same position yourself. everyone talks a big game, lots of internet bravery as always, but when the chips are really on the table and you have a family you really don't know how you would react. many people in those situations literally freeze and its over before they even gain an understanding of what is truly happening.
clodhopper
07-14-2015, 22:47
Actually. Science says that is false. The more people in the crowd, the less likely someone will help. Its fucking horrible that this is human nature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
And things are are no different now than they have ever been. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese
sellersm
07-15-2015, 10:29
And the cops state that all those people did the right thing too.
We are being indoctrinated to feel that if we just observe and report, that "officials" will come save us and tell us what to do.
Ahhh, now we're getting somewhere! Everyone lose the tin foil comments crap and understand the REAL world in which we now live. We have been programmed and indoctrinated to behave in this manner: learned helplessness is what it's called. And it's exactly what they want, so no one in the masses will rise up and stand against the chains that are already heavy upon them...
As I said elsewhere about the symbolism of the flag in the road, America is over. Welcome to the new amerika, comrades. Enjoy your chains.
Not one of these people stepped up to help, what makes you think that you would get any help after you jumped in and got into trouble?
If you aren't 100% sure you cant end it yourself, you better not get involved at all as well.
If only they made a tool that would put all people on an equal playing field where you could intervene from a distance without requiring you be stronger and faster than the assailant... If only.
Crowd mentality SHOULD dictate that there would be participation from others, but not guaranteed, and you are likely to sustain some damage before others step in.
Personal choice, and definitely situation driven decision.
Quoted crays' post :
Actually. Science says that is false. The more people in the crowd, the less likely someone will help. Its fucking horrible that this is human nature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
Quoted Danimal's post.:
Science says that if one person breaks ranks and tries to help, the rest of the crowd will as well.
All if would have taken is for ONE FUCKING PERSON to not be a fucking worthless pussy who was more concerned about their own safety than trying to help someone being MURDERED right in front of them.
So after pointing out science to refute my response to Danimal's post, you then go on to use science which supports my post to respond to Danimals post?
No butthurt, no pissing contest, just pointing out the irony.
It is sad indeed. I am curious as to how many of you have ACTUALLY intervened in a real assault with a deadly weapon situation...as a law abiding citizen in such a weapon friendly place like DC.
So easy to talk the talk on the good ol' internet. [handbags]
1) I would not be on a subway in DC
2) I would have shot the attacker
So easy to talk the talk on the good ol' internet. [handbags]
Pshhh, I AM the deadly weapon. You even combat bro?
I used to ride the Metro everyday.My least favorite experience on the Metro was riding on school day afternoons when the cars were full of students going home. Every car has a list of prohibited items and activities while riding the Metro. Every afternoon, just about every single prohibition on that list was flagrantly violated. Many of these 'utes seemed determined to sue or assault the first adult to even think about enforcing the rules.This is obviously different than witnessing a violent assault, but as with anything in life, each person must make choices on which battles they can or should fight.While I was happy to be armed in DC, there were few times when the display of a weapon did not have as many possible negative effects as positive effects. Discretion is often a valuable quality.Be safe.
Moral of the story: don't disarm your neighbors and expect them to come to your aid when you are being attacked by an armed thug.
Gun control means accepting violent crime. Always has, always will.
HoneyBadger
07-15-2015, 14:01
I'd have probably found my moment to strike and done it decisively, .
I would have been standing back and waiting for this moment. I ALWAYS have a 2.5" blade on me (Leatherman Skeletool). The story said that people crowded to the ends of the car while this happened in the center of the car, right? So he had to have his attention focused away from you at some point, right? Maybe not, but that would be my hope. If nothing else, a flying kick to the chest, back, head/neck, crotch, knee, etc would certainly be a good start. It sounds like he was pretty pre-occupied with his killing with that many stabs and kicks... and then while he is walking around robbing everyone else on the car? Lots of variables here.
Quoted crays' post :
Quoted Danimal's post.:
So after pointing out science to refute my response to Danimal's post, you then go on to use science which supports my post to respond to Danimals post?
No butthurt, no pissing contest, just pointing out the irony.
The Bystander effect keeps people from acting in the first place - but if someone (not in authority) breaks from that trance and does something - then more people will help. Not disputing - amplifying and clarifying.
The Bystander effect keeps people from acting in the first place - but if someone (not in authority) breaks from that trance and does something - then more people will help. Not disputing - amplifying and clarifying.
I agree with this. Especially if that person is vocal about leading the way.
The Bystander effect keeps people from acting in the first place - but if someone (not in authority) breaks from that trance and does something - then more people will help. Not disputing - amplifying and clarifying.
Gotcha. Rereading my post, I can see where I wasn't clear about stating that others were likely to join in after an individual acted, which was my intent with my original reply.
sellersm
07-15-2015, 14:49
Moral of the story: don't disarm your neighbors and expect them to come to your aid when you are being attacked by an armed thug.
Gun control means accepting violent crime. Always has, always will.
Good point! If I may add a clarification: those that choose to disarm us, are *NOT* the neighbors of those on the Metro. In other words, it wasn't those on the train that chose to disarm themselves. It was those in authority over them, the 'managers' (politicians) that are to blame.
clodhopper
07-15-2015, 15:18
Every car has a list of prohibited items and activities while riding the Metro. Every afternoon, just about every single prohibition on that list was flagrantly violated.
That is because the prohibition placards are not there to protect the train users, but rather to protect the administration. The rule is listed, and when violated, exempts the administration from responsibility. Therefore, it is preferred that the rule is violated, passively of course through non-enforcement, so that there is always a legal out.
59576
Anyone interested can just put "dc metro fight" into a youtube search bar.
hollohas
07-15-2015, 15:46
this doesn't remind me of flight 93, but more the Fero's bar killing in Denver. 5 people stabbed to death. it always baffled me (and no, i don't know the details) that 5 people were stabbed to death by one person.
And this reminds me of the theater shooting too, which of course is of a different scale, but same lack of defensive behavior. Bad guy walking in narrow aisle, back turned to countless people within reach of him, with limited vision due to mask and dim light, loud background noise...he was vulnerable but not one person chose to intervene. One bad guy, hundreds of potential defenders yet not even a smidgen of resistance was generated. So sad.
clodhopper
07-15-2015, 16:38
59576
hmmmm..... knives and firearms not listed......
It's covered under dangerous items. Because Metro runs through three jurisdictions, they have their own police department and they enforce the laws of the jurisdiction the train is traveling through. If you get on the train in Vienna with your Virginia CCW, you had better get off before you hit the District.
http://www.wmata.com/about_metro/news/faqs/preview.cfm?faqID=50#373
BushMasterBoy
07-15-2015, 17:34
OP title sounds like the VA
Great-Kazoo
07-15-2015, 18:31
Good point! If I may add a clarification: those that choose to disarm us, are *NOT* the neighbors of those on the Metro. In other words, it wasn't those on the train that chose to disarm themselves. It was those in authority over them, the 'managers' (politicians) that are to blame.
If you knew DC like NYC, Chicago etc. One would be stunned how many choose exactly that. Remember they voted for Obama, Mallory, Clinton, Schumer etc.
hollohas
07-15-2015, 18:36
If you knew DC like NYC, Chicago etc. One would be stunned how many choose exactly that. Remember they voted for Obama, Mallory, Clinton, Schumer etc.
And I've seen more Sanders bumper sticker around town recently that anything else...lots of voters are dumb shits.
This thread needs a pick-me-up.
Here is an example of someone doing something when faced with a dangerous situation.
https://youtu.be/CyRGhPmlUhw
DenverGP
07-16-2015, 09:46
Assuming something like this went down in an area that allowed CC, any thoughts on how you'd take the shot if you were there and carrying at the time? I'm picturing being toward the end of the car, so looking back down the car at the bad guy, and people at the other end of the car in line with the bad guy. If the bad guy were at the side of the car, then maybe you could line up a shot with just the bad guy. But if he were in the middle of the car, the angle would always have people behind the bad guy.
Muzzle in his mouth, upward angle.
Great-Kazoo
07-16-2015, 10:06
Assuming something like this went down in an area that allowed CC, any thoughts on how you'd take the shot if you were there and carrying at the time? I'm picturing being toward the end of the car, so looking back down the car at the bad guy, and people at the other end of the car in line with the bad guy. If the bad guy were at the side of the car, then maybe you could line up a shot with just the bad guy. But if he were in the middle of the car, the angle would always have people behind the bad guy.
Proceed towards the Threat while yelling / shouting PLEASE, DROP YOUR WEAPON..... PLEASE, DROP YOUR WEAPON. This shows numerous attempts are being made to get said Threat to disarm / drop the weapon. It's also (more than likely) being recorded by some one more concerned about their LIKES on FB then saving someones life. Giving you perfect, Documented evidence to show you tried intervening by peaceful means first.
OR............ start shooting with no regards for any of those sheep's lives, hoping a few rounds find vital spots on the intended target. Afterwards bust out you confederate flag, snap a selfie with the flag and a Thumbs up, for all to see
sellersm
07-16-2015, 10:40
This thread needs a pick-me-up.
Here is an example of someone doing something when faced with a dangerous situation.
https://youtu.be/CyRGhPmlUhw
Thanks for sharing that vid!
Do you see the weapon or just the fight? Blood does not necessarily mean that there is a weapon.
Have your hand on your firearm. Do not display the firearm unless you see a weapon or this is someone you are reasonably certain will kick your ass once you have their attention.
Using your best OUTDOOR voice, "STOP" "LEAVE THAT PERSON ALONE" "STOP HURTING THEM"
When/If they stop and turn their attention to you, then you lower your voice and tell them that the police have been called and they are on the way. If the person advances on you, you see a weapon, they continue violently assaulting the original victim or pick a new victim, you get to make one of the most important decision you will ever make in your life. You brought the gun for a reason. You will find out if you are capable of using it.
Be safe.
DenverGP
07-16-2015, 11:57
Proceed towards the Threat while yelling / shouting PLEASE, DROP YOUR WEAPON..... PLEASE, DROP YOUR WEAPON. This shows numerous attempts are being made to get said Threat to disarm / drop the weapon. It's also (more than likely) being recorded by some one more concerned about their LIKES on FB then saving someones life. Giving you perfect, Documented evidence to show you tried intervening by peaceful means first.
OR............ start shooting with no regards for any of those sheep's lives, hoping a few rounds find vital spots on the intended target. Afterwards bust out you confederate flag, snap a selfie with the flag and a Thumbs up, for all to see
So assuming I'm not a total idiot and I take the first approach, if I see a guy stabbing and/or about to stab someone and wanted to try to intervene... after verbal instruction, the bad guy now turns his attention to me.... same question I originally posed... what would be the best approach to get a clean shot? I'm not going to move toward a guy with a knife since I know I have zero hand-to-hand or knife-fighting skill.
When/If they stop and turn their attention to you, then you lower your voice and tell them that the police have been called and they are on the way. If the person advances on you, you see a weapon, they continue violently assaulting the original victim or pick a new victim, you get to make one of the most important decision you will ever make in your life. You brought the gun for a reason. You will find out if you are capable of using it.
Yup, that was pretty much where my question starts.... assuming I've determined that I feel I need to use my gun, whats the best approach? If I can't get an angle where no bystanders are behind the bad guy, and he's now coming at me with a knife, I don't see any options other than taking the shot and hoping my chosen CC ammo properly expands and doesn't exit the bad guy.
Maybe there isn't a good answer to a crappy situation. I was just hoping some with more tactical training could share actual technique / strategy.
Metro rail cars are 75 feet long and 10 feet wide. There are a few different floor/chair arrangements depending on which series of car you are on. While attempting to use one of the stand up bars or seats as an obstruction from an advancing threat may be possible, making accurate shots while you believe your life or someone else's life is in danger is not easy but it is the reason for training. I can tell you that you should angle your shot to avoid injury by pass through, but I would be blowing smoke with that answer.
A guy just stabbed someone and is either continuing to stab them, moving to stab someone else, or moving to stab you and you have your gun in your hand. My advice is to take careful aim, center mass on the threat, and make every round count till you don't feel anymore threat. Be prepared to render aid to anyone injured after the threat has been stopped.
I hope no one reading this ever has to make this decision.
Be safe.
tim-adams
07-16-2015, 16:54
I worked in DC for much of 2011 I rode the green and yellow line daily..
I carried a messenger bag with a few books and laptop it stayed in front of me to be used as a weapon and a shield..
a 10 lb book bag to the face is a real stunner..
oh and yes the hold poles are nice points for an arm break
this is very sad but I can not say I am surprised DC is a war zone and no one but the criminals are armed, many work in secure facilities IE no knives, no screw drivers..
Just saw this tread, its sad we as a people have lost our way...
This happened in a gun free zone ... if I'm someplace where the state has forced me to be disarmed I'm not taking on a criminal with a knife either.
I'd bet 90%+ of Americans licensed to CCW would have double tapped this punk if they were allowed to be armed there.
I would like to agree with you. Unfortunately I have found that a very small percentage of CCW holders have actually mentally "bullet proofed" their minds in what they would actually do in the event they encountered a lethal threat. Very few CCW holders actually train with their carry firearm, let alone have mentally resolved the conflict in their mind about taking a human life. I've talked to CCW holders who told me they haven't fired their CCW firearm in over a year. Just for the record, going out in the backwoods and shooting pop cans with Jethro and Jebidiah doesn't constitute as quality firearms training.
Always ready to protect family, loved ones and like minded conservative brothers. Since I live in Boulder there's no reason to protect the ones who lead the way in bringing down the 2nd amendment. I'll just watch ...... reap what they sowed.
Always ready to protect family, loved ones and like minded conservative brothers. Since I live in Boulder there's no reason to protect the ones who lead the way in bringing down the 2nd amendment. I'll just watch ...... reap what they sowed.
I cannot disagree with you... If I am protecting myself, my family or friends, which includes the congregation of my church, then I am prepared to inject myself into a precarious situation, otherwise I will do my best to avoid it and default to being a valued witness (cell video is priceless, if possible.) If during the course of the event I become a target, then God protect me, but I will not just dive into any "shituation" that seems to merit force. There are far too many variables or situations where perception could be incorrect, especially if your observation of the even is at all delayed (undercover LEO, bachelor-party or fraternity kidnapping, defender gets the upper hand on the actual bad guy, etc).
dirtrulz
10-15-2015, 13:49
I hate hearing people say they wont protect someone because they THINK they are liberals or not WORTH protecting. Its crap like that that is wrong with this country. It is not a conservative vs liberal thing, it is a human thing. Not saying you have to jump into a situation you dont understand but if you watched it from the start and sat back thinking it wasnt your problem then you are a piece of crap and I hope you never run into a situation where you could use some help.
Too many "ifs" to armchair this one. IF you can be 100% certain what the situation is, how do you want to act? IF you decide to insert yourself into the situation, are you prepared to end the threat? IF you insert yourself into the situation, are you prepared for the eventual consequences? IF those consequences include grievous injury to yourself or incarceration, are you prepared to accept that?
You have 3 seconds to decide.
I dunno how I would react, as there isn't enough info in the article to make those kind of life altering choices. I try to think these things through beforehand, so that in times of stress I will hopefully make good decisions. Hopefully, I'll never have to make those choices.
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