Active Shooter in TN: US Naval and Army centers, officer down

[sellersm]

Here's a link to google searching for all the articles, it's an active situation, SWAT is supposed to be 'searching', reports are at least 2 different events.

https://www.google.com/search?q=river+park+shooting&oq=river+park+shooting&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.2605j1j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=riverpark+tn+shooting&safe=off&tbm=nws

[thvigil11]

Well... Then there's that. Another sad day.

[TheGrey]

Aw, no. :(

[rbeau30]

Interesting... the pictures of the bullet-ridden storefront doors with the "no weapons" decal.

I guess it worked if the perp didn't actually go in the establishment.

[Great-Kazoo]

Supposedly the threat elsewhere. First attempts at killing cops now this.

As news of the shootings broke, Chattanooga Mayor Andy Berke cut short a news conference, saying, "This is a very, very terrible situation, I'm very concerned about what's going on. We need to figure out how to handle it."

Can you say tougher gun laws [facepalm]Andy you're an ass, should have kept quiet.


http://news.yahoo.com/chattanooga-active-shooter-officer-down-live-coverage-154953657.html;_ylt=A0LEVvEi76dV5lIAupUnnIlQ;_ylu= X3oDMTEzY2c1cDhpBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMzBHZ0aWQDRkZHRT AyXzEEc2VjA3Ny#



(http://news.yahoo.com/chattanooga-active-shooter-officer-down-live-coverage-154953657.html;_ylt=A0LEVvEi76dV5lIAupUnnIlQ;_ylu= X3oDMTEzY2c1cDhpBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMzBHZ0aWQDRkZHRT AyXzEEc2VjA3Ny#)

[BushMasterBoy]

AR-15 or AK47 ?

[rbeau30]

AR-15 or AK47 ?

Mini-14?

[BushMasterBoy]

I just read he's dead...

[BPTactical]

From what I have read- 2 separate incidents at two military related locations. One is a Marine recruitment center, 4 alleged KIA Marines.
Perp alleged KIA.

[Zundfolge]

Interesting... the pictures of the bullet-ridden storefront doors with the "no weapons" decal.

I guess it worked if the perp didn't actually go in the establishment.

http://i.imgur.com/B4ZkNu3.jpg

[sellersm]

Lord, please comfort all the families, heal the wounded and heal our land...


Press conference says investigation has been turned over to the FBI to coordinate with local and state agencies, BATFE, and Homeland Security involved. FBI won't release any information until investigation progresses. Whether an act of domestic terrorism or a criminal act is unknown at present, but being treated as terrorism. No motivation established. FBI won't say how or by whom the perp was shot, or ID of shooter, except probably from the Chattanooga area. Only one shooter acting alone. No type of gun used by shooter was identified. "2 or 3" wounded now being treated at hospital (whether those police or others not stated). Will not identify victims yet. News agencies reporting 4 Marines killed, but not addressed in the news conference.

[hollohas]

Yeah, media and authorities are quick to call this domestic terrorism (which we all know is associated with so-called right wing extremists)...
But the shooter is being reported (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-police-officer-shot-near-tennessee-army-recruiting-center/) as Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez.


Chattanooga Mayor Andy Berke said five people died in all, including the gunman. Two law enforcement sources told CBS News that the shooting suspect was identified as Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez.

U.S. Attorney Bill Killian said officials were treating the attacks as an "act of domestic terrorism," though FBI Special Agent in Charge Ed Reinhold said authorities were still investigating a motive.

Oh gee, I wonder what his motive was....

[sellersm]

The word I got, when this first happened, via a source on the ground there (college student, child of my source) was that the shooter appeared to be a mooslim. FWIW... And for the record, I expect more to come, stay alert.

[rbeau30]

I wonder if this Muhammad guy was hailing from "One of the most peaceful religions on the planet."

[BushMasterBoy]

Personally, I think if you are active duty military, you should be allowed concealed carry under the law. I blame our Concealed Muslim CINC.

[rbeau30]

Personally, I think if you are active duty military, you should be allowed concealed carry under the law. I blame our Concealed Muslim CINC.

Supposedly, it has something to do with armed military personnel on the streets that are not performing "military police duties". You know, pesky Constitution .

[sellersm]

Supposedly, it has something to do with armed military personnel on the streets that are not performing "military police duties". You know, pesky Constitution .

So they follow it when they want to, and ignore it when it fits their agenda. Got it.

Prayers for all involved...

[.455_Hunter]

Duty uniform for E6 and up should include M9 with two mags. Real simple.

[rbeau30]

So they follow it when they want to, and ignore it when it fits their agenda. Got it.

Prayers for all involved...

Affirmative.

And I honestly think we are going to see more and more of this kind of thing... If this really is a domestic terrorism linked to any specific group i mean.

We Americans have enjoyed being removed from the real bad people of the world for a very long time. Unfortunately a rise in things such as this will lead to more and more of our rights being stripped away.

[BushMasterBoy]

You mean Jade Helm is just a farce?

[Joe_K]

Please tell me the shooter is dead.

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[sellersm]

The shooter is dead.

[sellersm]

And I honestly think we are going to see more and more of this kind of thing...

+1. And from what I heard from a source there, it was 2 shooters, not just 1.

[BigBear]

How'd that "no firearms allowed" sign on the front door there work?...

So sad and tragic....

[sellersm]

ISIS is (supposedly) now Tweeting about it: http://www.inquisitr.com/2257852/chattanooga-shooting-isis-twitter-account-warned-of-attack-minutes-before-shooting-authorities-calling-it-terrorism/

[Zundfolge]

Shooter is yet another "Religion of Peace" cultist.

http://fox6now.com/2015/07/16/active-shooter-incident-reported-at-tennessee-naval-center/

[rbeau30]

An enemy combatant (US citizen or not) attacking military locations is not Domestic Terrorism. Why do they keep labeling it this way.

I wish folks would just face it. The fight is coming to our own back door.

[02ducky]

Wonder if this is a terrorist attack, the thing down i texas was a pair and this is sounds familiar to me for some reason.

I also wonder how this is going to be labeled, another workplace violence thing.

My heart goes out to the victims and injured, may the perps burn in hell.

[Joe_K]

This is such bullshit, we can see the threat, we can feel it, and hear it. We aren't ignorant, or blind, or misinformed. We allow this type of evil to continue by our willful disregard for our own safety. I wish they'd take all the Gauntonomo Bay vacationers to downtown D.C. and crucify them upside down then set them on fire in response to this shit.
Fuck all of them, with a cactus.

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[RblDiver]

https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/621773533312643073

#FLASH ISIS Account tweets #Chattanooga right as the shooter started shooting, BEFORE the news picked up the story >> http://bit.ly/1DjxJpr

[hollohas]

Well, there's the other media sensationalized keywords we expected to see.

He used a "high powered" rifle.


she saw a man who'd been in a silver convertible Mustang, firing a "high-powered rifle" at the recruiting offices

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/16/us/tennessee-naval-reserve-shooting/index.html


Four servicemen dead and one critical after gunman opens fire on military recruitment offices AND Naval Reserve center with 'high-powered rifle' in Tennessee before being killed

And the dreaded "reload"



We heard one pop, one really loud pop. We went to the door and there was several other pops after that and we looked two doors down and we saw a guy in a silver mustang unloading on the recruiter's office,' she said.
Wright added that he reloaded once or twice



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3164129/Active-shooter-situation-a.html

ANNNND, the classic, super fast rapid fire.


"I couldn't even begin to tell you how many," she said. "It was rapid fire, like pow pow pow pow pow, so quickly. The next thing I knew, there were police cars coming from every direction."


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-police-officer-shot-near-tennessee-army-recruiting-center/

Or as CNN likes to call it, spraying bullets...


The suspected gunman started spraying bullets at the glass doors....


http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/16/us/tennessee-naval-reserve-shooting/index.html


This is just so predictable. I pray for the families of the men who died today and I think it's a damn shame that every time something like this happens the media response and sometimes even the response from the authorities takes on this predictable, sensationalized tone. They blatantly and immediately do everything to associated it with "domestic" issues, disassociate it from Islam and blame the gun. It's like they have this stuff written up ready to go sometimes. It follows the same formula each and every time.

What the hell is wrong with calling a spade a spade? This guy was a Muslim terrorist who targeted our military men. Plain and simple. It doesn't take a freaking investigation to figure that out. It's not the gun's fault, it's is purely the fault of an american hating Islamic extremist.

[rbeau30]

The gov/LE respose to this will be: "See? we need less restrictions on the surveillance of US person and persons in the US. If we were able to listen to this guy's conversations we could have prevented this!"

[sniper7]

Time to ban all Muslims from the country and a worldwide ban on them owning firearms, knives, explosives, etc.

[Doc45]

This was NOT "domestic terrorism". Shooter from Kuwait, as already posted the chatter had started on the foreign i.e. ISIS websites.

[rbeau30]

Time to ban all Muslims from the country and a worldwide ban on them owning firearms, knives, explosives, etc.

Then they could not perform their duties that their god tells them to do in their book. Like all the killing and raping and torturing of folks not in their exclusive goat-violating group.


This was NOT "domestic terrorism". Shooter from Kuwait, as already posted the chatter had started on the foreign i.e. ISIS websites.

Why did we bail that country out again?

[BPTactical]

The only appropriate thing I can think of:


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj4IUoC2kRs

Edit-if somebody can embed correctly I would appreciate it.

[hollohas]

An enemy combatant (US citizen or not) attacking military locations is not Domestic Terrorism. Why do they keep labeling it this way.

I wish folks would just face it. The fight is coming to our own back door.

Agreed. They label it that way because it brain washes the sheeple. They have been reporting for years that "domestic right-wing terrorists" are the most dangerous threat to America. This guy is clearly a muslim, but by the simple fact the media reports it as ""domestic" the dumb civilians in this country will immediately in the back of their minds associate it with "right-wing". It's a damn mind game. They want the people of America to subconsciously associate "right-wing" with BAD.

Feb 20, 2015 - DHS intelligence report warns of domestic right-wing terror threat (http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/19/politics/terror-threat-homeland-security/)

A new intelligence assessment, circulated by the Department of Homeland Security this month and reviewed by CNN, focuses on the domestic terror threat from right-wing sovereign citizen extremists and comes as the Obama administration holds a White House conference to focus efforts to fight violent extremism.
Some federal and local law enforcement groups view the domestic terror threat from sovereign citizen groups as equal to -- and in some cases greater than -- the threat from foreign Islamic terror groups, such as ISIS, that garner more public attention.​

DHS Reports: Greatest Threat Is Domestic Right-Wing Extremism, Not ISIS (http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/02/21/leaked-dhs-reports-greatest-threat-us-national-security-domestic-right-wing-extremists)


During his three day summit on Countering Violent Extremism, President Obama continued to reject the notion that the West is at war with radical Islam. So what does the Obama administration identify as the real threat?

According to reports leaked from the Department of Homeland Security, the real danger to U.S. national security isn't ISIS or radical Islamic terror, but domestic right-wing extremists.

And the kicker...

Aug 29th, 2014 - FBI National Domestic Threat Assessment Omits Islamist Terrorism (http://freebeacon.com/national-security/fbi-national-domestic-threat-assessment-omits-islamist-terrorism/)


The FBI’s most recent national threat assessment for domestic terrorism makes no reference to Islamist terror threats, despite last year’s Boston Marathon bombing and the 2009 Fort Hood shooting—both carried out by radical Muslim Americans.

Instead, the internal FBI intelligence report concluded in its 2013 assessment published this month that the threat to U.S. internal security from extremists is limited to attacks and activities by eight types of domestic extremist movements—none motivated by radical Islam.

[davsel]

I've removed the photograph.

There is no reason to publicize a murderer.

There is no reason to blame a murderer's family without more information.

[mtnrider]

^ looks like a Rebel flag waving rightwing gun nut redeck to me? Must be domestic terrorism..... [Sarcasm2]

[Bailey Guns]

"He was always such a good boy..."

[TEAMRICO]

Is that a GITMO orange jumpsuit he is wearing?
ooh, the looker on the left front!

[Gman]

I wish folks would just face it. The fight is coming to our own back door.
It's on the porch kicking in the front door.

This is an ideological battle where the enemy gives you 2 choices, convert or die. There's only one way to deal with that threat. Wake up people!

[davsel]

The President sent out a message celebrating Islam today:
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/07/16/white-house-celebrates-muslim-holiday-on-day-of-attack/

[kidicarus13]

"He was always such a good boy..."
"He was friendly, funny, kind," Kagan Wagner told the paper. "I never would have thought it would would be him."
...as reported by FoxNews.com

"Abdulazeez’s former coach said on CNN earlier he was a good kid that didn’t exhibit any “red flag” behavior."
...reports CNN

[Great-Kazoo]

"He was friendly, funny, kind," Kagan Wagner told the paper. "I never would have thought it would would be him."
...as reported by FoxNews.com

"Abdulazeez’s former coach said on CNN earlier he was a good kid that didn’t exhibit any “red flag” behavior."
...reports CNN

When roof killed, the country lowered a flag. This is how many ISLAM FAITH BASED killers ?
MR. PRESIDENT, TIME TO LOWER ISLAM, in to the ground. Oh I FORGOT it's a religion of Peace


Piece of you here, piece of you over there, and there.

[BushMasterBoy]

The armed services need to be armed. These folks need to make it so...

http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/military-personnel

[Joe_K]

Weapons I carried as a 20 year old Marine assigned to a CQB team serving INCONUS.
M1014 with 24 rounds
M4A1 with 228 rounds
M9A1 with 60 rounds

Chance of there being a fatal base fire almost zero.
Fire Exstinguishers everywhere to stop fires.

Chances of an armed group determined to compromise 1/3 of Americas Nuclear Arsenal almost zero. 300 pissed off Marines and Sailors standing guard 24/7, 12 CQB Marines waiting for someone to get past those guards.

Chances of being assaulted, kidnapped, murdered, or an on base/near base terrorist attack... it's happened..with multiple fatalities. On almost every U.S. base in the world.

Weapons allowed to be carried on the person of a trained service member off duty on base? 3.5" knife.

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[rbeau30]

I wish the media would just stop saying "Radicalized Islam". It is just: Islam. It is Islam's time. Just like once it was Christans' time, and Pagans' time. They all take turns throughout history "Jihading" or "Crusading" or "Persecuting", or "Inquisiting" whatever the folks that don't believe what they believe.


Once you give a group of people a book of writings that say there is a state of mind or body or whatever after this existance that is better than this one if you do what some deiety says. And those writings are so vague and open to interpretation (and have over 90 passages justifying killing folks who do not believe what you believe). This opens the doors to any person with some really good public-speaking skills to preach and twist "The teachings of god" into their own agenda.

And the Sheeple will follow, and do whatever is ordered without regard for what happens in this life because "they will be rewarded in the next life". Anyone want some Grape Kool-Aid?

[Great-Kazoo]

I wish the media would just stop saying "Radicalized Islam". It is just: Islam. It is Islam's time. Just like once it was Christans' time, and Pagans' time. They all take turns throughout history "Jihading" or "Crusading" or "Persecuting", or "Inquisiting" whatever the folks that don't believe what they believe.

Like i said. When roof displayed the CSA flag the OUTCRY to remove this symbol of Hate & Racism was overwhelming from the SJW crowd. ANOTHER ISLAMIST ( citizen no less) and the same SJW's are silent, why is that? We know.

[hollohas]

Fox is reporting this guy spent at least 7 months in Jordan and Yemen. Doesn't sound "domestic" to me...

[sellersm]

I'm reading various things that indicate this guy was trained. Why 2 different sites? Anyone notice the tight bullet pattern and height of the shots in the glass doors? Where would the bodies be if they dove behind their desks for cover? Who trained him? Well, we know that answer, if he was in any way connected with ISIS, all fingers point back to our own CIA...

I don't want to disrespect those victims that lost their lives in this event, so I'll refrain from anything else... Silence for the fallen.

[Ridge]

Fox is reporting this guy spent at least 7 months in Jordan and Yemen. Doesn't sound "domestic" to me...

He was a naturalized citizen who went to primary and secondary school here. It's domestic.

[roberth]

I'm reading various things that indicate this guy was trained. Why 2 different sites? Anyone notice the tight bullet pattern and height of the shots in the glass doors? Where would the bodies be if they dove behind their desks for cover? Who trained him? Well, we know that answer, if he was in any way connected with ISIS, all fingers point back to our own CIA...

I don't want to disrespect those victims that lost their lives in this event, so I'll refrain from anything else... Silence for the fallen.

Was he one of obama's "moderate" muslims trained to fight ISIS?

[Singlestack]

I wish the media would just stop saying "Radicalized Islam". It is just: Islam. It is Islam's time. Just like once it was Christans' time, and Pagans' time. They all take turns throughout history "Jihading" or "Crusading" or "Persecuting", or "Inquisiting" whatever the folks that don't believe what they believe.


Once you give a group of people a book of writings that say there is a state of mind or body or whatever after this existance that is better than this one if you do what some deiety says. And those writings are so vague and open to interpretation (and have over 90 passages justifying killing folks who do not believe what you believe). This opens the doors to any person with some really good public-speaking skills to preach and twist "The teachings of god" into their own agenda.

My Mom in Kalifornia has a muslim caregiver, a nice 63 year old lady who does a great job for my Mom but is a staunch Obama supporter. When I spoke with this lady her a few months ago about "muslim terrorists" and why the administration could not say that, she explained to me that peaceful muslims are the only "real muslims" and the jihadis and not muslims at all. I guess many may tell themselves that, but I have observed what the Koran and Hadiths say and I'm convinced it depends on what interpretations one subscribes to. The Koran and Hadiths (and Mohammed) clearly advocate violent practices to non-believers throughout, and one can't reasonably claim that such violent practices are not recommended or condoned. What one personally subscribes to is another matter.

As for why the administration and liberals/progressives defend muslims so staunchly, it has to do with their beliefs of the muslim people and communities around the world being an oppressed and downtrodden people and a need to defend them from all critique (in PC-speak they call this "minor aggressions") even to the point of denying terrorism. I can see why otherwise peaceful muslims would support that approach, as it seeks to minimize outward hostility toward muslims in general. However, my sense is with continued regular doses of terrorism by muslim jihadis - especially in the US - the bulk of American people will inevitably become anti-muslim and will harbor anti-muslim emotions/feelings. Couple this with the peaceful muslims lack of speaking out against muslim terrorism or leading the charge to do anything substantive about it, and it is inevitable that non-muslim westerners will feel hostility toward muslims. There have been many reports of exactly this happening in the european countries with higher muslim populations such as France, UK, Belgium, Denmark, and Sweden.

[WETWRKS]

An enemy combatant (US citizen or not) attacking military locations is not Domestic Terrorism. Why do they keep labeling it this way.

I wish folks would just face it. The fight is coming to our own back door.

Years ago we were told we could fight them over there or we could fight them here...the liberals decided they wouldn't fight them at all. Just like most of Europe they wanted to embrace Islam...we are seeing how well that is working out. What is occurring thru Europe and here is basically what prompted the crusades.

Regarding the "mainline Muslim" or the "peaceful Muslim"...

http://youtu.be/YnOF7y-KuHE

[XC700116]

Interesting, CNN just reported he was released from a job at an Ohio nuke power plant in what sounded like the probationary hire period.

[hollohas]

Well, instead of making the obvious connection that this foreign born muslim, with an engineering degree, who recently spent 7+ months in Jordan and Yemen, who aspired to work at a nuke plant probably had even more evil terroristic intentions, the media will call him a disgruntled, recently fired employee.

[Zundfolge]

Interesting, CNN just reported he was released from a job at an Ohio nuke power plant in what sounded like the probationary hire period.

So his deep cover plan was to infil a nuclear power plant for purposes of sabotage ... his hopes are dashed so he throws together a little impromptu mass shooting. Clearly just a disgruntled worker (probably a Tea Party member too).

[BPTactical]

So his deep cover plan was to infil a nuclear power plant for purposes of sabotage ... his hopes are dashed so he throws together a little impromptu mass shooting. Clearly just a disgruntled worker (probably a Tea Party member too).

Plus he had gotten nailed for a DUI in April.

Upstanding citizen to be sure.

[Aardvark]

But...he was a super muslim, and muslims of any sort don't drink. How'd he get a DUI?

[Great-Kazoo]

But...he was a super muslim, and muslims of any sort don't drink. How'd he get a DUI?

DRIVING UNDER ISLAM

[Ridge]

This is just heart wrenching...

http://i.imgur.com/nvXPNvc.jpg

http://www.13wham.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/four-marines-killed-tenn-identified-24738.shtml?wap=0&

[BPTactical]

This is just heart wrenching...

http://i.imgur.com/nvXPNvc.jpg

http://www.13wham.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/four-marines-killed-tenn-identified-24738.shtml?wap=0&


Damn

[02ducky]

Man that is a hard one to read. So sad...

[Gman]

Casualty #5 passed away overnight.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/navy-sailor-becomes-5th-victim-to-die-after-tennessee-shooting/ar-AAdaFwp


A sailor wounded in the attack in Chattanooga, Tenn., on Thursday died overnight from his wounds, the Navy and his family said.

Randall Smith was a petty officer in the Navy. The service declined Saturday morning to release his name, but Darlene Proxmire, a step-grandmother in Ohio, confirmed his identity. His age had not been confirmed.

The Navy said Smith died at 2:17 a.m.

Proxmire, of Paulding, Ohio, said Smith had recently reenlisted to stay in the service, and was a married father with three children.

[sellersm]

A Marine's response: http://thewashingtonstandard.com/marine-sergeant-to-islamic-state-you-will-learn-soon-enough-of-the-brotherhood-of-marines/

Snippet:
In the wake of Thursday’s jihad attack on a military recruiting center in Chattanooga, Tennessee that left four United States Marines dead, one Marine says he has had enough and has gone to social media to inform the Islamic State, “You wanted attention, and yesterday, you got it. Only, you chose the wrong people to seek that attention from.” He was talking about the United States Marines.

And another snippet:
“You see, we won’t play by the rules you’re accustomed to seeing,” he wrote. “When you play in our backyard, we don’t have to answer to any chain of command. We will not follow ridiculous ROEs crafted by a spineless bureaucrat to appease some goat herding tribal leader. And we won’t be wearing uniforms so that you can easily ambush us. Nope. None of that shit.”

“When you think you’re walking into a target-rich environment, you’re really walking into an ambush,” he continued. “That pudgy, middle-aged guy wearing khakis in the mall, who unbeknownst to you, is a former 0311 and armed, will dump your sorry ass before you have a chance to scream ‘allah snackbar.’ And that soccer mom pushing a stroller, she’s got a Glock and will happily leave you gasping in a pool of your own blood before she lets you hurt her children.”
“We are here and we still have the training and experience to wage war, whether here or abroad,” he added. “And wage war we will. Every one of us are willing to fight and die to protect our Marine Corps brothers and sisters, our families and friends, and our way of life.”

[BushMasterBoy]

59636

[Bailey Guns]

A Marine's response: http://thewashingtonstandard.com/marine-sergeant-to-islamic-state-you-will-learn-soon-enough-of-the-brotherhood-of-marines/

Snippet:

And another snippet:

I think that's a lot of wishful thinking.

[Gman]

A lot of heat there, but not much light.

Ultimately, it will require this society to grow a spine. A few generations ago, this would more likely be true, but the current generation has already forgotten the attacks on the World trade center in 1993 and again on 9-11.

If the Islamists were to take down Facebook and 'reality TV', maybe Gen Y/Millennials would notice and then leap into action by emoting about it.

[hollohas]

Well, this ought to protect our soldiers.


One of the steps Carter approved was Marine Corps Recruiting Command's decision to have recruiters not wear their military uniforms for now, a defense official said. The recruiting command also closed down all offices within 40 miles of the facilities in Chattanooga and increased the force protection condition level from "Bravo" to "Charlie."

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/2015/07/18/marine-recruiters-told-not--wear-uniforms-offices-closed/30353587/

Have we become a nation full of pansies? This is ridiculous. A few of our good men get killed and our first response is to tell the rest of them not to publicly identify themselves as soldiers? Insanity! We are supposed to be a nation of badass Yankees! How the hell did we become a nation that wants to hide our men just because they may be threatened!?!?!? Makes me sick.

I hope I hear from some of the Marines here. I'm not so I don't know. But seems to me this would be a slap in the face to those of you who wore that uniform proudly.

[Bailey Guns]

Yeah...next they'll be telling cops not to wear their uniforms because it could be dangerous to do so. Fuck that. This country is screaming for leadership...and there's none to be had from our gov't.

[DireWolf]

Fucking discraceful....would love to see this completely ignored and recruiters start showing up to work in their Blues.....

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[sellersm]

I think that's a lot of wishful thinking.

Are you stating that you don't think any current/former Marines would fight back?

[hollohas]

Fucking discraceful....would love to see this completely ignored and recruiters start showing up to work in their Blues.....

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I hope so too.

[hollohas]

And then there's this...


CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. — The FBI has recovered a pistol that may have been privately owned and used by one of the Marines killed here Thursday during the shooting at the Navy Operational Support Center, according to law enforcement officials.

Investigators are trying to determine, based on forensics, whether the pistol, a 9mm Glock, was used in an exchange with the shooter and possibly wounded him, officials said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/marine-in-chattanooga-shooting-might-have-been-armed-officials-say/2015/07/20/1787a027-bbc4-429b-a8cc-9730d73b96a4_story.html?hpid=z2

[TEAMRICO]

I hope he got a round off in his ass, please tell me he had bacon lubed ammo in it!

[Scanker19]

Sounds like a good reason for people to say, "See it don't not work arm military guy recruit people." (trans) See it didn't help that they were armed.

[Aardvark]

Lefties will say that being armed didn't help. And if an armed service member successfully stopped an attacker, the lefties would say, "the military and veterans are all blood thirsty, trained killers". Either way, the community organizer's sheep will go 'bah' to make us non-koolaid drinkers look bad. It's in their nature and nurture, to be cowards and defeatists. At one time, for a long time, it was my nature and nurture to protect them. Now....couldn't give a flying turd outta dead rat's ass about protecting the lefties.

[Zundfolge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRyCEJp4oBw

[hurley842002]

Are you stating that you don't think any current/former Marines would fight back?
I don't think that's what he is saying at all. There were many assumptions made in that post, to be an 0311 and "take out" a jihadi, you'd have to actually be carrying. My brother is a Marine, and has his CCW, but carries very casually, meaning not often. There are just not that many people carrying, not as many as the author made it sound. A lot of bad $h!t has happened, and yet nobody responded with return fire (think Aurora theatre, where there were service members in attendance). The armed populace just isn't what people think it is, definitely a minority.

[davsel]

And it takes a 22 year old young lady to say what no news anchor has the guts to say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8Q0MMHwx4k

[Great-Kazoo]

If we had a granddaughter she'd look like ^ Only not as blonde ;)

[vossman]

If we had a granddaughter she'd look like ^ Only not as blonde ;)

Nice!

[Gman]

There are just not that many people carrying, not as many as the author made it sound. A lot of bad $h!t has happened, and yet nobody responded with return fire (think Aurora theatre, where there were service members in attendance). The armed populace just isn't what people think it is, definitely a minority.Most of these shootings take place in free kill zones, aka "gun free zones". The shooters pick these locations because they want to impose their will without armed resistance.

[hurley842002]

Most of these shootings take place in free kill zones, aka "gun free zones". The shooters pick these locations because they want to impose their will without armed resistance.
That's pretty well known, but doesn't change the fact that there just doesn't seem to be as many armed people (gun free or otherwise), to respond to these attacks, as the OP of that article would suggest.

[Bailey Guns]

Are you stating that you don't think any current/former Marines would fight back?

That's not what I'm saying at all.

The article sounds like a lot of the chest-thumping you hear on the internet so frequently and he isn't saying anything that hasn't been said hundreds of times before. Sure...I have no doubt most would fight back if given the opportunity. But that's a big IF. The people that commit these sorts of killings don't go looking normally to attack hard targets. Or even targets where it's likely people will be armed. Even if they do they'll quickly change tactics and targets once a few of them get whacked.

I think his comments are long on emotion but short on logic. These extremists have been fighting Marines for years now...what makes you think some Facebook posting is going to make them stop?

I agree with the sentiment. I just think it's easier said than done.

[Bailey Guns]

I don't think that's what he is saying at all. There were many assumptions made in that post, to be an 0311 and "take out" a jihadi, you'd have to actually be carrying. My brother is a Marine, and has his CCW, but carries very casually, meaning not often. There are just not that many people carrying, not as many as the author made it sound. A lot of bad $h!t has happened, and yet nobody responded with return fire (think Aurora theatre, where there were service members in attendance). The armed populace just isn't what people think it is, definitely a minority.

This, too. Exactly my point.

[davsel]

Senate and House leaders order Capitol flags to half staff.
http://www.weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Screen-Shot-2015-07-21-at-10.34.02-AM-550x481.png
White house flag still not lowered.
http://www.weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Screen-Shot-2015-07-21-at-10.18.25-AM-550x352.png

Had enough yet?
http://www.weaselzippers.us/229665-wh-offers-no-explanation-for-failure-to-lower-flags-after-chattanooga-terrorist-attack/

http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2295/6251/original.jpg?w=600&h

[Joe_K]

FWIW, The day after the attack, we had 6-7 Marine recruiters show up to practice thier shooting skills.

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[sellersm]

That's not what I'm saying at all.

The article sounds like a lot of the chest-thumping you hear on the internet so frequently and he isn't saying anything that hasn't been said hundreds of times before. Sure...I have no doubt most would fight back if given the opportunity. But that's a big IF. The people that commit these sorts of killings don't go looking normally to attack hard targets. Or even targets where it's likely people will be armed. Even if they do they'll quickly change tactics and targets once a few of them get whacked.

I think his comments are long on emotion but short on logic. These extremists have been fighting Marines for years now...what makes you think some Facebook posting is going to make them stop?

I agree with the sentiment. I just think it's easier said than done.


Thanks for clarifying. Unfortunately, I tend to agree. It's like the other thread(s) about people standing up and doing the right thing. Way too many sheeple in our nation, for far too many years, have been successfully indoctrinated against doing just that. And the enemy knows it, and is exploiting it to full effect.

If you've read "Days of Wrath", the author points out very well, the fact that the enemy knows and plans on our weaknesses and vulnerable spots. Sadly, this event just reinforces the truth...

The girl in the YouTube above has lots of heart, will it cause anyone to stand up and defend/act? Let's hope so... and let's see how long she maintains her job.

[davsel]

Finally
http://www.weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/628x471-550x341.jpg

"Our thoughts and prayers as a Nation are with the service members killed last week in Chattanooga. We honor their service. We offer our gratitude to the police officers and first responders who stopped the rampage and saved lives. We draw strength from yet another American community that has come together with an unmistakable message to those who would try and do us harm: We do not give in to fear. You cannot divide us. And you will not change our way of life," Obama writes in a presidential proclamation.
"We ask God to watch over the fallen, the families, and their communities. As a mark of respect for the victims of the senseless acts of violence perpetrated on July 16, 2015, in Chattanooga, Tennessee, by the authority vested in me as President of the United States by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I hereby order that the flag of the United States shall be flown at half-staff at the White House and upon all public buildings and grounds, at all military posts and naval stations, and on all naval vessels of the Federal Government in the District of Columbia and throughout the United States and its Territories and possessions until sunset, July 25, 2015. I also direct that the flag shall be flown at half-staff for the same length of time at all United States embassies, legations, consular offices, and other facilities abroad, including all military facilities and naval vessels and stations.
"IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twenty-first day of July, in the year of our Lord two thousand fifteen, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and fortieth."

[davsel]

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=230402

Obama Hates Our Military -- And Their Service

Why do we have anything to do with this clown-car crap? When is it enough?

The White House has now reversed itself and ordered flags flown at half-mast -- but not until after they refused to do so while the Capitol (and the States) did so.

How much more do you need to see when 5 of our servicemembers are gunned down in an act of terrorism on our soil, potentiated by a government that refuses to recognize everyone's 2nd Amendment rights, including members of our military, and then goes even further by posting "gun free zone" signs on the door!

Oh, it doesn't stop there either. If your grandmother has a gun for personal protection (and is not a frail older person the exact sort of person for whom that equalizer is most important) but has to run her bank account for her Obama wants to confiscate her gun.

Where is your limit of tolerance for this crap America?

You don't need any damn permit to write a blog or start and operate a newspaper.

You don't need any damn permit to worship as you see fit.

If anyone tried to tell you that needed a permit to write either in print or online, or before you could pray, you'd stick up the middle finger.

A right is not conditioned on any damn permit and the Second Amendment is clear in its language just as is the First Amendment -- so why is your middle finger not in the air right here and now?

[hollohas]

Navy Times is reporting that TWO soldiers fired back. Unconfirmed if they hit the bad guy at this point. But it's a reasonable assumption that their return fire would have either slowed him down or made him retreat.

http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2015/07/21/sources-navy-officer-marine-shot-chattanooga-gunman/30426817/


A Navy officer and a Marine fired their sidearms hoping to kill or subdue the gunman who murdered five service members last week in Chattanooga, Tennessee, according to multiple military officials familiar with internal reporting on the tragedy.
It remains unclear whether either hit Muhammad Abdulazeez, who was shot and killed on July 16 after he gunned down four Marines and a sailor at the Navy Operational Support Center in Chattanooga. It's also unclear why they were armed, as it is against Defense Department policy for anyone other than military police or law enforcement to carry weapons on federal property.

[BPTactical]

Finally
http://www.weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/628x471-550x341.jpg

Caved to pressure. I guarantee you that had Congress not dropped theirs to half staff, the WH sure wasn't.
Also no way FBHO was going to do it until Ramadangalinglong was over with.

[BPTactical]

Navy Times is reporting that TWO soldiers fired back. Unconfirmed if they hit the bad guy at this point. But it's a reasonable assumption that their return fire would have either slowed him down or made him retreat.

http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2015/07/21/sources-navy-officer-marine-shot-chattanooga-gunman/30426817/



Convenient spin to bolster the "See, it wouldn't had made any difference if they were armed.." mentality.

[hollohas]

no soldiers fired back...

One was a Marine and one was a Sailor. Marines are not soldiers. Marines are the better more capable version of a soldier.

Split hairs. Sorry to offend, but I'm a civilian. The dictionary defines a soldier as "a person who is in the military" so I had no idea is wasn't correct in this circumstance. [Dunno] It won't happen again ;)

[Skip]

Convenient spin to bolster the "See, it wouldn't had made any difference if they were armed.." mentality.

Every round fired at the attacker mattered. PERIOD. Might have slowed him down, forced him to take cover, etc... All limiting his ability to increase casualties. They can spin however they'd like to. If guns aren't going to help in situations like this, why were the police able to resolve it using guns?!?

[sellersm]

Every round fired at the attacker mattered. PERIOD. Might have slowed him down, forced him to take cover, etc... All limiting his ability to increase casualties. They can spin however they'd like to. If guns aren't going to help in situations like this, why were the police able to resolve it using guns?!?

Because they're the professionals...

This whole thing just stinks. Period.

[davsel]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fCllYJcqYzc/Va9voMnxVgI/AAAAAAAA0ww/Zsvto65p-j4/s400/Waiving%2Bthe%2BFlag%2B1.jpg