Republican debates on Fox last night

[Singlestack]

Missed the early debates, but the pundits seemed to agree that Fiorina did the best, by far. Saw the later debate, with the 10 current front runners. In my opinion, this will begin the undoing of Trump. His answers were generally vague and lacking detail, but when he wouldn't rule out running against the nominee if it wasn't him and lashed out at Megan Kelly for bringing up some pretty negative comments he made about women in the past, I think he is done. Many Republicans won't vote for him if they suspect he will go independent, and with all the "war on women" hysteria on the left, some will believe the Donald is a misogynistic creep (maybe he is...).

I'm no fan of Bush, but I think he explained himself well. Walker was just as bland as bland can be. I thought those who did the best were Huckabee, Cruz, and Rubio. Cruz is my guy so I was inclined in that direction. Huckabee was surprisingly insightful, funny, and on-point with virtually every answer - I didn't expect that. Many pundits thought Christie did well supporting NSA data collection and his supposed "smackdown" of Rand Paul, but I saw it the opposite way - I thought Rand had the better arguments. Christie's were of the emotional variety (Hugging a family member of a terrorist victim), which Rand talked about freedom and the meaning of the Bill of Rights.

Anyway, it was more entertaining than I expected and I thought it worthwhile to watch. Just wish the Fox moderators weren't trying to be so cute with all of the banter between them. I

[StagLefty]

I thought the format for the questions by Fox was strange to say the least and the actual time spent by each candidate addressing topics was pretty lopsided. JMHO

[RblDiver]

Didn't catch the early debate (I thought it started at 5, but it was 4), but I heard Fiorina was the clear winner.

I too am surprised more people didn't seem to hit Trump over his admission that he bought politicians. I want to say Rubio later had a perfect chance when talking about supporting small business, and he could have said something like "I want to protect the small businessman who can't afford to buy a politician..." I think the Kelly attack on him dominated more people's minds.

I too am a Cruz fan, and he did well with what time they gave him (I really wanted someone to yell at the moderators to give others more time rather than just ask Trump a billion questions). A slight misstatement in his closing comments, but still very strong and presidential imo (but I'll admit I'm biased).

[bellavite1]

I think Trump is refreshing: he bought politicians and says so openly, it's the nature of business-politics reality, get over it.
At least he is not telling us fairy tales.
He says what he thinks and does not take it back to avoid backlash, sticks to his guns.
The technicalities of how to get things done belong to other people, it's their job.
We all say we are tired of politically correctness?
There, we got it.
I for one am going to vote for him, looks like a stand up guy, I can respect that.

[dirtrulz]

I am worried trump is just doing this to guarantee a democrat wins again. He will run third party just to take away votes. It is strange that the democrats dont seem ot be even trying. Its like they know they already have it in the bag.

[sroz]

I am worried trump is just doing this to guarantee a democrat wins again. He will run third party just to take away votes. It is strange that the democrats dont seem ot be even trying. Its like they know they already have it in the bag.

Yup. Story broke yesterday that he & Bill Clinton had a conversation before he threw his hat in the ring. Possibly for the very reason you point out. Don't know what the truth is yet, but would not be a huge surprise. Once again, conservatives may fall for dividing their vote and in effect electing a socialist.

[T. B. Turner]

I am worried trump is just doing this to guarantee a democrat wins again. He will run third party just to take away votes. It is strange that the democrats dont seem ot be even trying. Its like they know they already have it in the bag.

Unfortunately I agree with that, if Trump runs as a 3rd party it will divide the republican voters, then the Democrats win.

[Singlestack]

I "get" why Trump didn't rule out running against the eventual nominee. A few weeks ago, he said on several occasions that he would need to see how the Republican party and establishment treated him. He has fired many shots at the republican establishment, and its obvious many of them want the Donald OUT. His threat of running 3rd party is a gun to the heads of the establishment to treat him fairly (whatever that means). That way, if he remains the front runner the establishment will need to back him all the way to the nomination. Not sure if he is bluffing about running 3rd party, maybe maybe not. But I can understand why he did it, and I believe the establishment would have trashed him if he didn't make the threat.

[sroz]

All that says is he is all about Trump. He gets his way or else. Screw what is best for the country.

[brutal]

Trump is a complete tool. After last night, I'm also fairly convinced he is in it to derail the GOP and help the Clinton machine win.

Gotta give him credit for stirring things up, but all it's done is provide more fodder for the left to tag the GOP as racist, bigots, and misogynists in the minds of moderates and swing voters.

If he was really committed to helping America, he will bow out gracefully when his time comes - and it will. If he does not, his true character will shine through.

Once again, we're at risk of eating our own.

[roberth]

I missed the first one but I understand that Carly ran away with it.

Rand is out of his element, he is to low-key for the kind of circus FoxNews put on.

Cruz was good but they didn't talk to him much, FoxNews was definitely trying to keep him down.

Trump is a showman and narcissist who likes socialized medicine and other communist programs, he'd be different than the asshat we have now but not better. Trump needs to step out.

[Great-Kazoo]

One way or another Trump will end up doing a Perot, giving the elections to the D's. Providing Hillary isn't behind bars.

[roberth]

Trump is a complete tool. After last night, I'm also fairly convinced he is in it to derail the GOP and help the Clinton machine win.

Gotta give him credit for stirring things up, but all it's done is provide more fodder for the left to tag the GOP as racist, bigots, and misogynists in the minds of moderates and swing voters.

If he was really committed to helping America, he will bow out gracefully when his time comes - and it will. If he does not, his true character will shine through.

Once again, we're at risk of eating our own.

I agree with you, been thinking that for a while now.

The (D) will stop at nothing to retain their power, unfortunately alot of the (R) is the same way.

[DireWolf]

I dont know, I took the refusal to blindly follow the party line as being a solid warning not to just push forward with dipshit Jeb, and that if someone else LEGITIMATELY wins the nomination (as opposed to the cherry-picked big money/power candidate), that he would be willing to throw his support to them and not run 3rd party...And he reaponded straight up and honestly to what was obviously a direct attack by a bunch of fucking moderators who just can't keep their fucking opinions and biases under control (or were under direct orders to go on the - extremely- offensive)....

BTW, I used to like MK, but after watching that no longer, and was actually amused at the body language/micro-expressions she was throwing after trying and failing to box Trump into a corner...All of the mods were just fucking nasty and I thought that was complete bullshit.


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[sroz]

I dont know, I took the refusal to blindly follow the party line as being a solid warning not to just push forward with dipshit Jeb, and that if someone else LEGITIMATELY wins the nomination (as opposed to the cherry-picked big money/power candidate), that he would be willing to throw his support to them and not run 3rd party...And he reaponded straight up and honestly to what was obviously a direct attack by a bunch of fucking moderators who just can't keep their fucking opinions and biases under control (or were under direct orders to go on the - extremely- offensive)....

BTW, I used to like MK, but after watching that no longer, and was actually amused at the body language/micro-expressions she was throwing after trying and failing to box Trump into a corner...All of the mods were just fucking nasty and I thought that was complete bullshit.


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I understand your interpretation of Trump's intent, but he sure could have just said it. As for his honesty, I appreciate that he stated he has bought politicians and received favors for his dollars. Not sure it was a smart move on his part, but he loves to display his power over people, sometimes real and sometimes exaggeration. Whenever asked for proof of anything, it usually consists of "someone told me...."
As for the hard questions, I want all media to ask hard questions and seek out the truth. According to Trump, he is hard as nails. I'm sure he can withstand the pressure.

[Bailey Guns]

Fiorina. Wow! She rolled through the early debate and interviews afterwards like a freight train. I was impressed. She absolutely handed Chris "Tingly Leg" Matthews his ass. At the end of the interview he even acknowledged as much.

[Rucker61]

Worst episode of The Apprentice ever.

[roberth]

Fiorina. Wow! She rolled through the early debate and interviews afterwards like a freight train. I was impressed. She absolutely handed Chris "Tingly Leg" Matthews his ass. At the end of the interview he even acknowledged as much.

Yup, she was great with Chrissy.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/06/video-carly-fiorinas-attack-on-hillary-leaves-chris-matthews-speechless/

[Singlestack]

Matthews was so bothered by Carly calling Hill a liar that he just couldn't let it go. Even Scarborough (who is no conservative), repeatedly reminded Matthews that the Dems called Bush a liar on everything he did for 8 years. Still, Matthews couldn't let it go and showed his true bias and colors. What a nutjob.

I was very disappointed at most of the questions - gotchas that were more geared to making candidates defend conservative positions than stake out positions on what we are seeing today - IRS overreach, tax policy, increased regulatory overreach, loss of internet independence, Chinese/Russian aggression, attacks on Christian and Jewish faith, energy policy (e.g. war on coal), etc.

[fitz19d]

Hate to say it, but I'm already calling this election a lost cause. Which also marks the first non rotation R/D in 8 year cycles for a while. Maybe our final decent down into shitty govt.

The voting public at large and in general is stupid. The same ones who voted celebrities in as governors. A few candidates may have decent chops, but none have the charisma or presence to get the vote. I do think if Trump stays in until election is going to waste a bunch of votes.

[cstone]

We are more than a year out from the Presidential election in November 2016. A bit early to throw in the towel eh?

The Democrats have a significant advantage with their virtual lock on large Electoral College states like New York Illinois, and California.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/05/2016-predictions-117554.html#.VcYwnsa1aTw

http://www.270towin.com/

[HoneyBadger]

We are more than a year out from the Presidential election in November 2016. A bit early to throw in the towel eh?

The Democrats have a significant advantage with their virtual lock on large Electoral College states like New York Illinois, and California.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/05/2016-predictions-117554.html#.VcYwnsa1aTw

http://www.270towin.com/
Speaking of electoral college, if when TX goes blue, the GOP may as well dissolve.

[Gman]

All that says is he is all about Trump. He gets his way or else. Screw what is best for the country.
Exactly. He's a publicity whore...just like John McCain.

[Dave]

Exactly. He's a publicity whore...just like every other politician.

FIFY

[TEAMRICO]

FIFY
Nice.

[TFOGGER]

By the very nature of US politics these days, one almost HAS to be a narcissist. Knowing that, we need to look beyond their bullshit and bluster to see who is actually qualified to earn our vote. Trump may be a cartoon of himself, but he's also a successful businessman and capable executive. I don't know if he's electable, but his no-bullshit, no apologies stance has certainly won him a lot of favor with people who are fed up with mealy mouthed, two faced lying chameleons that mince words to ingratiate themselves with niche voters.

[wctriumph]

After watching both early and main debates, I have these "feelings" about the candidates:

Rubio and Cruz clearly seem to be the two that really care about America and what she stands for, they wore it on their sleeves. Carly is smart and I think tough enough for the job. Rand also cares and I like his literal understanding of the Constitution, Huckabee too but both are too far right for most voters. Trump may say what he thinks without apology but his ego is no different that then current occupier of the White House. Kasich is smart and was on point, with his past experience he is a Washington political insider and will not do anything to change the current government status quo. Christie is another ego driven politician and should bow out ASAP. Perry will go nowhere.

Too early to know everything. For me, I like Cruz. That may change down the road as we learn more about the candidates in the coming months.

I am certain of one thing, the media on all side will try their damnedest to pick who the candidates will be. I trust the media less than the politicians.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I am surprised Trump hasn't lost more support but he has always depended more on the glitz and shine than on any solidity of thought or performance. I'm still concerned that Trump is a Clinton plant designed to destroy the Republicans from within just as Clinton used Perot by planting info to make Ross think GHW Bush was bugging him. Jeb Bush's performance was solid but not terribly impressive -- he reminded me of the NFL teams that mounted "prevent" defenses in the 1980s (and would invariably lose by doing so). His response to Kelly's question about the war was pretty weak but he has weeks and months more to come up with a better answer. Bush isn't my top (or 2d or 3rd or 4th or 5th ...) pick but I will say he did an excellent job as governor in Florida -- about the only fault I had with him was supporting his party-changing successor.

I wasn't surprised but pleased by Cruz, Huckabee, and Rubio who all had well-reasoned arguments and facts in their pitches. Rubio particularly was great with the "how is Hillary Clinton going to lecture ME about living paycheck-to-paycheck" line. Cruz is a great debater and talker and showed it. I think the press is itching to try to destroy him on the "likability" factor -- personally, I'd like to see Cruz take over the Senate rather than the presidency as we need a principled Senate Majority Leader who is willing to fight the Democrats on things that matter (like the ever-increasing size of the federal government).

I was pleasantly surprised by Christie; sorry, but Paul is the one who doesn't understand the Fourth Amendment. As an analogy, it has never (until recently) been deemed unconstitutional for the government to look at the outside of envelopes in the US mail as long as they don't open them. Paul's platitude about wanting to listen to more terrorists and not Americans is just that -- a platitude. I would be on his side if he focused more on the outright illegality of what the IRS has been doing as their actions have been blatantly political and they have far more punitive powers at hand but he seems almost as bad about showboating rather than taking effective action as Trump. Still not a fan of Christie's but since we're just talking about the debate performance, I'd have to give him the nod over Paul.

I used to be a Kasich fan because of his work at controlling government spending and he's still done a fine job of that in Ohio but I am disturbed by his more recent embrace of big government. Ben Carson had the best closer of any of them on the evening debate. His performance until the closer was a little lack-luster but he just didn't get the questions; I expect he'll do better when he doesn't have to contend with the Trump effect.

There was a tenth candidate on the stage in the evening debate, wasn't there?

I didn't catch the afternoon debate but the sound bites from Carly Fiorina were superb. I thought her decisions as CEO at HP were ill-considered and poorly executed and was glad to see her leave there (I was an investor, not an employee) but she has consistently said the right things and been the most aggressive at poking at Hillary's crimes and misdemeanors.

As far as Chris Matthews being disturbed ... who cares? I mean, does anyone with an IQ higher than 70 actually watch him or bother listening to what he says (other than those who do it to garner evidence of media bias)? The more disturbed he is, the closer someone must be to the truth.

[sellersm]

Wayne Allyn Root has some interesting things to say related to why the Clintons & others must stop Trump at all costs:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRbtf2UFcmc

[HoneyBadger]

By the very nature of US politics these days, one almost HAS to be a narcissist. Knowing that, we need to look beyond their bullshit and bluster to see who is actually qualified to earn our vote. Trump may be a cartoon of himself, but he's also a successful businessman and capable executive. I don't know if he's electable, but his no-bullshit, no apologies stance has certainly won him a lot of favor with people who are fed up with mealy mouthed, two faced lying chameleons that mince words to ingratiate themselves with niche voters.
What exactly IS his stance? On anything? He seems to be all about making a scene, but lacks any real depth or content. His refusal to play by the rules of the modern political system (and the primary system) is definitely a good thing - His lack of integrity is not.

This basically sums up my thoughts on Trump: (My emphasis added in red)



I suppose it’s no use getting angry at Donald Trump for his repugnant and ridiculous antics. He’s an impetuous phony with no integrity, and he’s just doing what impetuous phonies with no integrity do. It just so happens that he was lucky enough to be born wealthy so he can afford to seek attention by running for president, whereas the typical childish brat is relegated to sitting in the back of the classroom flicking boogers at the girl in front of him. That’s all Trump is really doing — political booger flicking — the only difference is that he’s old, rich, and famous, with millions of admirers who proudly insist that a political booger flicker is just what this country needs right now.

To be clear, they are the ones I blame: Trump’s fans. I hold them responsible for this. And when Hillary Clinton is elected president because Republican voters decided to squander the best GOP field in decades by flocking to a cut-rate impostor in an expensive suit, I will blame them for that too. I’m frankly pretty tired of hearing even the harshest Trump critic make excuses for this shameless group of disciples. The apologists say Trump’s followers are just “frustrated” and “angry” and lashing out against the establishment. They say we shouldn’t be too critical of these folks, they’re just fed up and sad about things, the poor dears.

Yeah, I don’t buy it.

There isn’t any coherent connection between being mad and supporting a flagrant scam artist. It’s ludicrous to try and cure your anger by making everything worse; electing someone who personifies every single negative aspect of the modern American power structure. It’s perhaps common for people to get angry about one thing and react by embracing the extreme opposite of that thing. But in this case, Trump fans are allegedly angry about corrupt politicians so they’ve decided to support a corrupt businessman. They haven’t gone to the opposite extreme, they’ve gone from version No. 1 to version No. 1A. They’ve gone from worse to worst. They’ve gone from bad to a guy who is explicitly promising to run this country like an inept, tyrannical goon.

Sorry, that’s not an understandable reaction. It is not understandable to rip out your common sense and drown it in the bathtub because you’re frustrated. And when I endeavor to understand it, I see quite clearly that Trump devotees aren’t really angry at all, or at least that isn’t what primarily drives them. The real problem with the Trump Squad is that they don’t take the fate of this nation seriously. They are angry, yes, but in a bored, uninformed, disinterested way, like a spoiled prince who decapitates his servant for serving him cold tea. Beneath the frivolous rage is a gross immaturity. A lack of sincerity. A reckless disregard for their fellow countrymen.

You want angry? I’m freaking angry. I’m angry that my children will be raised in a nation overrun by people who treat the political process like a game show. I’m angry at the cheap, bogus populism that always tells us to lay the blame at the feet of politicians and shadowy corporate interests, but never at the doorstep of the ordinary folks who choose to put these mongrels in power.

I’m done playing along. I think it’s about time we consider the possibility that our country is run by bad people because we keep electing bad people. We. Us. Individual Americans. Individual Americans make horrible, stupid, shallow decisions on voting day, and thus our civilization continues its totally voluntary march over the proverbial cliff. Put aside the various hijinks and voter fraud that surely goes on, the fact remains that 65 million adults voted for Barack Obama on purpose this last election. He didn’t take the throne by force. We gave it to him, for God’s sake. And now we’re threatening to give it to Donald Trump.

Donald Trump. We are teetering here on the brink of national disintegration and in this hour of immense and profound consequence, millions of Americans hoist a showboating charlatan on their shoulders and appoint him savior. I’m far beyond annoyed. I’m disgusted. Let everyone else criticize Trump. I’m criticizing his supporters, and I make no apologies for it.

These people like “tough talk,” don’t they? In fact they love tough talk so much that they’ve made a Republican hero out a lifelong liberal Democrat all because he supposedly engages in it. These folks are allegedly so hungry for a “straight shooter” that they’ll settle for a trifling tyrant who dodges direct questions like he dodged the draft (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/celebrity/deferments-helped-trump-dodge-vietnam), flip flops on every issue, shies away from giving specifics on anything, hasn’t taken a substantive stand on hardly any topic, is too afraid to even list his positions on his campaign website (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/), and generally offers the depth and insight one would expect from a stoned high school sophomore feverishly typing a lengthy comment under a YouTube video about the moon landing conspiracy. Trump fans are feeling such a desperate thirst for someone who “tells it like it is” that they’ve fallen in love with a carnival barker who tells it like it isn’t.

If that’s true, the Trump Club ought to appreciate everything I say about them. Yes, it’s highly critical, but blunt criticism is what they say they’re after. If they’re genuine then I expect, by the end of this piece, they’ll want to elect me president.

So let’s back up for a moment. Trump has now stooped to the level of making menstruation jokes (http://nypost.com/2015/08/08/trump-megyn-kelly-had-blood-coming-out-of-her-wherever/), and his supporters have stooped to the level of defending it. Now, I don’t want to give off the impression of being repulsed by Donald Trump just because he said one repulsive thing. The truth, of course, is that he says repulsive things every day, but for logistical reasons I can only really be repulsed by one of them at a time. Beyond that, the bigger problem is that he says stupid (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/30/the-dumbest-stuff-donald-trump-has-ever-said.html) things. And the bigger problem still is that he says dishonest (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/donald-trumps-first-speech-was-basically-filled-with-lies/)things. And the still bigger problem is what he’s actually done and what he claims he’d actually do if elected.

No matter if he flies off the handle tomorrow and calls for the immediate execution of Charles Krauthammer (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/06/05/what-charles-krauthammer-said-that-had-donald-trump-unleashing-a-blistering-tirade-overrated-clown/), or finally just comes out and admits he’s scared of women, his mere statements will remain the less urgent matters. We should really be talking about how his policies on most issues are non-existent (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2015/07/26/donald-trump-has-no-issues-section-on-his-campaign-site-n2030573), and the ones that do exist are shallow, incomplete, and constantly changing (http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/28/news/economy/donald-trump-polls-taxes-wages/), while the more detailed ones are neocon fantasies that would guarantee trade wars with Mexico and China (http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/17/news/economy/trump_china_trade_war/), and oil wars in the Middle East (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422252/trumps-dangerous-plan-to-seize-oil-fields).

Even if you go for that sort of thing — perpetual global conflict and all that — you ought to nevertheless take issue with Trump being a ratfink fraudster (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/victims-trump-school-scam-ag-article-1.1503350)and crony capitalist (http://www.mediaite.com/online/donald-trump-the-ultimate-crony-capitalist/) with deep ties to the mob (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/politics/trump-mob-mafia/), who drove four companies into bankruptcy (http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/06/donald-trump-companies-bankruptcy-atlantic-city), and who boasts about bribing (https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/08/07/donald-trump-buy/) politicians. And no Republican voter should be able to dismiss that this man self-identified as a Democrat (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/politics/donald-trump-election-democrat/), donated massive sums to far left liberals (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-donation-history-shows-democratic-favoritism/2011/04/25/AFDUddtE_story.html) over the course of many years, and helped Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid (http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/03/donald-trump-donated-heavily-to-democrats-especially-during-election-which-put-reid-and-pelosi-in-power/) ascend to power. Meanwhile, he’s been an overly litigious vulture (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/06/trump-sued-everyone-but-his-hairdresser.html) who ties up the court systems suing for sport, and an anti-gun, partial-birth abortion advocate (http://downtrend.com/71superb/donald-trump-is-not-just-a-clown-hes-a-liberal-anti-gun-clown), who as recently as last Thursday endorsed socialized medicine as something that “works incredibly well.” (http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2015/08/07/no-donald-trump-single-payer-health-care-doesnt-work-incredibly-well-in-canada-scotland/) His “signature issue” is immigration, but all he’s done in his life is make the problem worse by financing fanatical open borders politicians.

These are much more profound concerns than any piggish, idiotic remark he’s made. As is the fact that he’s a good friend (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bill-clinton-called-donald-trump-ahead-of-republicans-2016-launch/2015/08/05/e2b30bb8-3ae3-11e5-b3ac-8a79bc44e5e2_story.html) of the Clintons and gave enormously (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/242088-trump-gave-at-least-100k-to-clinton-foundation) to the Clinton Foundation, which would, if he were nominated, make for an unprecedented dynamic where the Republican nominee is tasked with criticizing a Democrat he just spent two decades lavishing with large cash donations and wedding invitations (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-money-drew-hillary-clinton-wedding/story?id=32936868). He wouldn’t be able to raise a single question about Hillary’s judgment without raising a bigger one about his own.

Extraordinarily relevant matters, and any one of them would be, or should be, enough to disqualify him. But what he says is also relevant, if to a lesser degree. And it becomes all the more relevant when you consider his penchant for calling women dogs and slobs (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/08/so-which-women-has-donald-trump-called-dogs-and-fat-pigs/), and the fact that all Clinton would have to do in the general election is play that on a loop for three months and she’d win in a landslide (although she’d beat him even without it).

Trump surely added to that arsenal when he attacked Fox anchor Megyn Kelly over the weekend for committing the sin of asking him tough questions. Trump said (http://time.com/3989656/donald-trump-redstate-gathering/) that Kelly had “blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out her whatever,” an obvious suggestion that she was on her period. Sometime later, the Trump campaign put out a statement claiming he’d said “Megyn Kelly had blood coming out of her eyes and whatever,” and that the “whatever” meant “nose.” This is a blatant, bald faced lie wrapped in another blatant, bald faced lie. We know what he said. It wasn’t “eyes and whatever,” it was “blood coming out of her whatever.” We know he said this because it’s on tape and 50 million people have heard it.

Trump has spent days now lashing out at a news anchor all because she asked him a question he didn’t like, and it culminated with a comment beneath the dignity and intelligence of a shirtless frat boy, never mind an elderly billionaire who wants to be president of the United States. Some have given him credit for “sticking to his guns,” but for one thing, it’s not courageous to stick to your guns when you’re a 1,000 percent in the wrong. That’s called moral cowardice. And for another, like always, he isn’t sticking to his guns. He backed down by lying about what he said and what he meant. He stuck to his guns in the sense that he dropped the gun and hid in the bushes.

This is typical of Trump and his supporters. They hail him for being no-nonsense, tough, and unapologetic, even though such qualities aren’t admirable when they’re employed by a dishonorable megalomaniac, and in any case, he isn’t actually no-nonsense, tough, or unapologetic. He’s precisely the opposite of these things. He’s a sniffling, sobbing little weakling who locks himself in the bathroom and cries for two days straight whenever someone shoves him back. Even Trump’s own staff (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421074/donald-p-t-barnum-trump) accuse him of being a thin-skinned narcissist who surrounds himself with suck ups because he can’t handle bad news.

When Trump fans ignore all of this, they are acting like groupies, not grown ups. They’re being about as principled as the middle school girls who complained of slander and conspiracy when Justin Bieber was criticized for peeing in a mop bucket (http://www.tmz.com/2013/07/10/justin-bieber-restaurant-mop-bucket-piss-pee-urinate-video-bill-clinton/) at a restaurant. Incidentally, I’m convinced Trump could pull down his pants and urinate on the stage at the next debate, and his fans would stand and applaud with tears in their eyes. “Oh, that Donald Trump! What a brave man! Can’t no establishment keep him down! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!”

It might have been different in the early beginning of Trump’s campaign. Maybe some perfectly reasonable people who weren’t entirely familiar with Trump thought they’d give him a chance. OK, I can forgive that. I take no issue with them. But now, at this point, the remaining Trump apostles have officially sacrificed all shreds of human reason and rationality. An informed, mature, sincere, and reasonable person cannot still cheer on this circus act. They just can’t.

Speaking of lacking maturity and reason, I brought up Trump on Twitter a few nights ago, and it led to some exchanges that exemplify everything that’s terribly wrong with political discourse in America, particularly as it pertains to Donald Trump. Notice how each defense of Trump cataloged below involves either: A) automatically accusing non-Trump fans of being Jeb Bush fans, as if those are the only two options, B) saying something racist, C) shouting Trump’s name eight times in a row, D) calling non-Trump fans “liberals” or “cuckservatives,” or E) making some reference to Trump being “politically incorrect,” or a “fighter,” while ignoring that Trump only fights for himself, and even then he doesn’t really fight at all; he simply says something outlandish and then cowers in a corner and plays the victim if anyone dares respond.

Here’s how it went:
@MattWalshBlog (https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog) Neither can Jeb, dumbshit
— MemeMurderer (@MemeMurderer) August 9, 2015 (https://twitter.com/MemeMurderer/status/630224612085862401)


@MattWalshBlog (https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog) That's what I thought. You have no argument, just fallacious nonsense. Choke on your Negrophilia you #cuckservative (https://twitter.com/hashtag/cuckservative?src=hash) gimp.
— Jack Burton (@JackBurtonReflx) August 9, 2015 (https://twitter.com/JackBurtonReflx/status/630225028118921216)


@MattWalshBlog (https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog) @outworld_warui (https://twitter.com/outworld_warui) @SwiftOnEconomy (https://twitter.com/SwiftOnEconomy) unlike the Jebster, right?
— Falito (@IgnatiusGReilly) August 9, 2015 (https://twitter.com/IgnatiusGReilly/status/630224903501971456)


How dumb do you think people are that they don't remember 2008 and 2012 running with your loser boys? #cuckservative (https://twitter.com/hashtag/cuckservative?src=hash) https://t.co/ue2mtOzGqw
— FinMin Taylor Swift (@SwiftOnEconomy) August 9, 2015 (https://twitter.com/SwiftOnEconomy/status/630218112609222656)


Do you #cuckservative (https://twitter.com/hashtag/cuckservative?src=hash) types think making shit up is going to sway us? We're well-read.@MattWalshBlog (https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog) @IngrahamAngle (https://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle) @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
— Inexorable Wanderer (@NXorableWandrer) August 9, 2015 (https://twitter.com/NXorableWandrer/status/630216637023563776)


@ricantotheright (https://twitter.com/ricantotheright) @MattWalshBlog (https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog) @BradThor (https://twitter.com/BradThor) @EWErickson (https://twitter.com/EWErickson) You can't fight the left with bare knuckles, you lose. You have to use jujitsu.
— double t (@tthrush14) August 8, 2015 (https://twitter.com/tthrush14/status/630164965383634944)


@MattWalshBlog (https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog) @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) #TRUMP2016 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TRUMP2016?src=hash) ! #TRUMP2016 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TRUMP2016?src=hash) ! #TRUMP2016 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TRUMP2016?src=hash) ! #TRUMP2016 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TRUMP2016?src=hash) !#TRUMP2016 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TRUMP2016?src=hash) ! #TRUMP2016 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TRUMP2016?src=hash) ! #TRUMP2016 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TRUMP2016?src=hash) ! #TRUMP2016 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TRUMP2016?src=hash) !
— VE (@bumblebee_ve) August 8, 2015 (https://twitter.com/bumblebee_ve/status/630078588180525056)


@MattWalshBlog (https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog) @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) matt walsh is a liberal. #therealtrojanhorse (https://twitter.com/hashtag/therealtrojanhorse?src=hash)
— jb (@milehighreject) August 8, 2015 (https://twitter.com/milehighreject/status/630041569706405888)


The question is whether we should expect more of our fellow citizens. Am I right to be angry at a person for supporting a vulgar, bungling thug based solely on the logic that anyone who opposes him must be a “liberal” and a “cuckservative”? Am I out of line for blaming a man who justifies his love for a crass, self-obsessed bully by insisting that the bully is “politically incorrect,” and that somehow “political incorrectness” ought to be the most important item on a presidential candidate’s resume? If I am out of line, if I’m wrong in my anger, then I suppose these people are either right or shouldn’t be held accountable for their own actions.

But we know they certainly are not within a 10,000 mile radius of being right, and we know they are human beings with free will. They are wrong, they’ve chosen to be wrong, and it’s really not OK to be wrong about this. This is my country too, and I’m sick of watching it get slowly stabbed to death by people who can’t be bothered to use their heads.

Trump fans: You’re better than this. Notice I have not called you stupid. I don’t think you’re stupid. Stupid people can’t help themselves, but you can. I think you’re being intellectually lazy and insincere. I think you’re enamored with personality. I think you like being entertained. I think you’re treating the fate of my country like a toy to be played with by a giant child in a luxurious toupee. I think you’re in deep now, and perhaps you don’t want to admit you were wrong. I think you know, deep down, that Trump is not a good or brave man, and he certainly is not presidential material. I also think you know that Trump could never beat Hillary Clinton, which is why the polls have him losing in a landslide to every Democratic candidate (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/07/30/poll_trump_is_party_pick_but_loses_in_general_elec tion.html).

I think you know better. I think you’re too smart for this. And that’s why I’m angry with you. You are playing games, and now is not the time.

Get your act together. Admit you were wrong and let’s move on. When this is all said and done, and Trump is sent back to his lair to live out the rest of his days in agonizing obscurity, I will be perfectly fine with pretending all of this never happened. I won’t bring it up again if you don’t. Deal?


http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/im-not-angry-at-donald-trump-im-angry-at-his-supporters/

[sellersm]

And this today from Patriot Update, on the comment by Clinton to Jeb Bush, about "taking care of Trump": http://patriotupdate.com/bill-clinton-reassured-jeb-bush-this-trump-thing-will-be-taken-care-of-during-debates/

[Aloha_Shooter]

And this today from Patriot Update, on the comment by Clinton to Jeb Bush, about "taking care of Trump": http://patriotupdate.com/bill-clinton-reassured-jeb-bush-this-trump-thing-will-be-taken-care-of-during-debates/

Wow, and I thought Obamabots didn't make sense. Seriously, where did this "leak" of Clinton supposedly reassuring Jeb Bush come from? Why in God's name does anyone think Bush would be consulting with Clinton? Sorry, Clinton/Trump collusion is far FAR more likely than Clinton/Bush cooperation or consultation. Trump has decades of history of supporting the Clintons and vice-versa.

[Irving]

This is how I feel about debates. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-to-turn-obama-and-romneys-faceoff-into-a-real-debate/2012/09/28/99d97ace-08bb-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_story.html


Wednesday night. Romney vs. Obama. Live. The 28th episode in America’s long-running television series — the presidential debates — in which two men go on stage and face off without scripts or teleprompters, and with the ever-present possibility of getting trounced or humiliated. In presidential politics, a debate — a real debate — is a test like no other.That’s why none of us has ever seen one. A true debate is just too risky. From 1960 onward, the events called presidential debates have delivered not clashes of of rhetorical greatness but the spectacle of two people engaged in dueling job interviews. These interviews unfold side by side in front of the same human resources representative, and the skill needed to land the position is much like the one eighth-graders rely on to win spelling bees: the ability to memorize the answers to the questions ahead of time, then repeat them, precisely as learned. Debates? Modern politicians don’t partake in debates. Not real ones.

[HoneyBadger]

Sounds about right.