View Full Version : Body found in FiringLine parking lot.
.455_Hunter
08-11-2015, 21:40
A body was found this afternoon inside a sedan in the Aurora FiringLine parking lot. The backseat trunk access was folded down, with the torso in the trunk, with the legs going through the opening and out the open back passenger door. Cause of death unannounced, but witnesses said a gunshot wound was apperant and a pistol box was inside the car. Suicide, homicide, or other?
VERY STRANGE!
RIP
SideShow Bob
08-11-2015, 21:48
Where's sneakerd ? To give us the lowdown on this ?
paging sneakerd, Paging sneakers, sneakers please pick up the white courtesy phone......
My wife used to know somebody that worked or works there I'll ask her in the morning.
less than a mile from where I work... sheesh
mcantar18c
08-12-2015, 00:19
Negligent discharge. Self-inflicted, unintentional.
I don't know where the GSW was, so given that he would have otherwise accessed the trunk from the outside, I'm assuming he was hit somewhere other than the head and was trying to access a medical kit.
jhood001
08-12-2015, 00:40
Negligent discharge. Self-inflicted, unintentional.
I don't know where the GSW was, so given that he would have otherwise accessed the trunk from the outside, I'm assuming he was hit somewhere other than the head and was trying to access a medical kit.
Interesting theory.
So would you also believe that he experienced the wound while accessing the back seat from outside the vehicle? And leaning in? Why else would the back seat door be opened? Perhaps he was collecting his firearm from the back seat?
And would most people hammer out 911 on their phone or start working on the physically demanding effort of gaining trunk access from inside their vehicle first? Accessing a trunk from the inside of a vehicle isn't an easy thing if you are debilitated. Perhaps his rear seat backs were already down?
Chances are good that the guy was just your run of the mill shooter. Would someone like that go for a medical kit first or try to find help?
If it was an ND, who knows what was going through the guys head with shock setting in.
It will be interesting to see what is discovered regarding this incident. This is a very strange and very sad incident.
May the sportsman rest in peace. And may we all be safe and careful.
mcantar18c
08-12-2015, 00:59
Interesting theory.
So would you also believe that he experienced the wound while accessing the back seat from outside the vehicle? And leaning in? Why else would the back seat door be opened? Perhaps he was collecting his firearm from the back seat?
And would most people hammer out 911 on their phone or start working on the physically demanding effort of gaining trunk access from inside their vehicle first? Accessing a trunk from the inside of a vehicle isn't an easy thing if you are debilitated. Perhaps his rear seat backs were already down?
Chances are good that the guy was just your run of the mill shooter. Would someone like that go for a medical kit first or try to find help?
If it was an ND, who knows what was going through the guys head with shock setting in.
It will be interesting to see what is discovered regarding this incident. This is a very strange and very sad incident.
May the sportsman rest in peace. And may we all be safe and careful.
Again, yes it was an ND.
I don't know why he was in the back seat, but it's the only explanation I can think of. I'm not positive what firearm it was, but chances are high that it was his carry gun which wouldn't have been kept in the trunk, so I don't know why else he'd want to access it in the first place let alone from the cabin.
I think it's possible he would have gone for a med kit prior to calling 911 depending on shot placement, but I could be wrong. Or maybe he left his phone in his range bag and that's what he was trying to get to.
What's Firing Line's carry policy? Is this a case of "No carry in store" that forces people to handle their guns in the parking lot?
I don't know one way or another, just ask'n.
O2
dirtrulz
08-12-2015, 07:13
I do believe they have a sign saying all guns are to be unloaded prior to entering.
sneakerd
08-12-2015, 07:37
Concealed carry in the store is fine, we simply ask that you keep it concealed.
ruthabagah
08-12-2015, 08:06
somebody just couldn't take their range fee anymore....
Poor taste comment on my part. Im a jackass. My thoughts and prayers are with the family.
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This website is the only place I'm finding this story.....
.455_Hunter
08-12-2015, 09:31
This website is the only place I'm finding this story.....
The Aurora Sentinal is working on a story that they hope to post today on their website.
Delfuego
08-12-2015, 10:05
Talking shit about dead people is not nearly as funny/cleaver as you guys think it is. Please show some respect and/or restraint.
KevDen2005
08-12-2015, 10:15
Again, yes it was an ND.
I don't know why he was in the back seat, but it's the only explanation I can think of. I'm not positive what firearm it was, but chances are high that it was his carry gun which wouldn't have been kept in the trunk, so I don't know why else he'd want to access it in the first place let alone from the cabin.
I think it's possible he would have gone for a med kit prior to calling 911 depending on shot placement, but I could be wrong. Or maybe he left his phone in his range bag and that's what he was trying to get to.
is there a reason why you are so sure it was an ND? Are you connected to the store or have information beyond what the article reported?
Talking shit about dead people is not nearly as funny/cleaver as you guys think it is. Please show some respect and/or restraint.
You are are right.
The Aurora Sentinal is working on a story that they hope to post today on their website.
Thank you.
mcantar18c
08-12-2015, 10:41
is there a reason why you are so sure it was an ND? Are you connected to the store or have information beyond what the article reported?
Yes.
Talking shit about dead people is not nearly as funny/cleaver as you guys think it is. Please show some respect and/or restraint.
Agreed. This could be someone on this board for all we know.
hurley842002
08-12-2015, 14:22
Agreed. This could be someone on this board for all we know.
Yup
62 yr old, reaching into his car to retrieve his gear evidently- sad for his friends/family.
Talking shit about dead people is not nearly as funny/cleaver as you guys think it is. Please show some respect and/or restraint.
Thank you.
.455_Hunter
08-12-2015, 15:45
62 yr old, reaching into his car to retrieve his gear evidently- sad for his friends/family.
Thanks for the info- Where did you find it?
This opens a whole can of worms on how such an incident could occur- What type of gun? How was it being transported?
Very sad. My condolences to his friends and family.
mcantar18c
08-12-2015, 16:07
SIG... He carried a 226 if I remember correctly. The mag was out, round chambered. I'm GUESSING he was clearing it, swapping range ammo for defense ammo, and hit an artery when he ND'd. I still haven't heard where he was hit, where in the car this happened, etc.
Also, thank you Delfuego.
'.....honey, be back in a couple of hours!' (just a guess)
Too sad, be careful. It can happen to anyone. Condolences to family and friends
OtterbatHellcat
08-12-2015, 17:06
Concealed carry in the store is fine, we simply ask that you keep it concealed.
That's new info to me, I had always followed the instructions posted out front.
This website is the only place I'm finding this story.....
I was also wondering about that.
That's new info to me, I had always followed the instructions posted out front.
I was also wondering about that.
Pretty much all the (gun) stores, sporting goods liuke Bass pro, Cabela's. etc. that have a no LOADED weapons sign means anything that's NOT legally concealed. You bring in for repair, sell, trade, etc.
Can you imagine a gun store that had a no weapons policy? [hahhah-no]
OtterbatHellcat
08-12-2015, 17:16
Funny, ......I *do* carry into all those other places. I guess I just figured the indoor gun range was more serious about not having loaded weapons of any kind coming into the facility.
[Dunno]
HoneyBadger
08-12-2015, 18:21
Very sad. Remember that guns are tools that can impart deadly force. Always treat them as such. (Not saying he didn't... just reminding)
Very, very sad.
sneakerd
08-12-2015, 18:28
As a clarification, Firing Line's policy has always been the same. Concealed carry is fine, we just ask that you keep it concealed. That is on the sign in front as well. Obviously a concealed weapon is likely a loaded weapon. We do not like open carry of a loaded weapon in the store. Open carry folks come in, they're shopping for a holster, out comes the loaded? pistol. Two open carry folks are in line for the range. "Hey man- what you carrying? Here, let me show you!" Out comes the loaded? pistol. In general, we trust that concealed carry folks (and Members) have training, and are more conscious of the safety issues. We have no idea where you are coming from if we don't know you, and you simply walk in with your handgun visible on your hip. So few customers actually have training..... we get swept all of the time, multiple times per day, by customers who have no muzzle consciousness. That, unfortunately, is part of the gig. We correct gently as necessary, and hope they remember. If it's not concealed, we ask that the firearm be unloaded and cased. We have observed that -many- open carry folks strap it on in the parking lot so that they can walk around the store with a gun on their hip- Why? You tell me. Employees mostly open carry in the store, but they are a known quantity to us. Some are better than others, as is always the case, but we all have the gun safety, muzzle consciousness thing beaten into our heads, or we wouldn't even be here. Most of us can really shoot too! When guns are handed to people over the counter, they are always press-checked, sometimes multiple times by those of us who are a little paranoid about it, like me. We do have expectations as to the behavior of people who enter the store, and will err on the side of customer and employee safety. Regardless, there are countless instances where someone brings a gun into the store or off the range, for one reason or another, hands it to an employee "It's not loaded". Drop the mag, rack the slide and a round pops out and onto the counter. That sound can be heard from one end of the store to the other, and is unmistakable. It is actually refreshing when someone comes in and demonstrates good gun handling. I provide all of this not as a complaint, not whining, just trying to inform.
SideShow Bob
08-12-2015, 18:42
We correct gently as necessary, and hope they remember.
That slap up side the head you gave me wasn't too gentle.............[Tooth]
I keed, I keed......
Back on topic, Sorry this had to happen at your place of work, and my sympathies go out to the family.
Truly sad. This guy was just enjoying our sport and Boom! It can happen anywhere, anytime if you aren't careful and responsible.
sneakerd
08-12-2015, 19:04
Exactly.
Sad this happened.
However, perhaps every one of us can take something from someone else's misfortune. If one or two folks read about this, and this story flashes into their mind that one time they are handling their firearm and it just happens that time they are preoccupied or not as attentive as they normally are. And this snaps them back into reality, I am sure the victim in this story would be glad this misfortune touched somebody enough to save a life.
BPTactical
08-12-2015, 22:12
The 4 basic rules of firearm handling are never negotiable.
A reminder:
1- EVERY firearm is loaded
2- Muzzle discipline
3- Finger off the trigger until sights are on target
4- Be sure of your target and beyond
Unfortunate mishap, peace and solace to the family.
Sad, I would hate to put my wife through this. Richard can't be too happy either. Are the cops being cool or taking a hard line with him/store? It's obviously not his fault (from the reports) but sometimes that does not matter.
mcantar18c
08-12-2015, 23:00
Current idea of events... he was in the driver's seat, swapping from target to defense ammo, and most have fumbled somewhere between dropping the mag and clearing the slide. In trying to catch it, he hit the trigger with the muzzle pointed towards him and was hit in the chest (where specifically, I'm not sure). He then made his way towards the trunk, either for a med kit or cell phone, opting to access it from inside the vehicle for any number of reasons. He just didn't have enough time to make it there.
I'll know more tomorrow.
HoneyBadger
08-12-2015, 23:40
Current idea of events... he was in the driver's seat, swapping from target to defense ammo, and most have fumbled somewhere between dropping the mag and clearing the slide. In trying to catch it, he hit the trigger with the muzzle pointed towards him and was hit in the chest (where specifically, I'm not sure). He then made his way towards the trunk, either for a med kit or cell phone, opting to access it from inside the vehicle for any number of reasons. He just didn't have enough time to make it there.
I'll know more tomorrow.
Thanks for sharing this info with us. RIP, dude.
Tragic. My condolences to a fellow shooter.
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Current idea of events... he was in the driver's seat, swapping from target to defense ammo, and most have fumbled somewhere between dropping the mag and clearing the slide. In trying to catch it, he hit the trigger with the muzzle pointed towards him and was hit in the chest (where specifically, I'm not sure). He then made his way towards the trunk, either for a med kit or cell phone, opting to access it from inside the vehicle for any number of reasons. He just didn't have enough time to make it there.
I'll know more tomorrow.
If he was headed for a medkit then he probably did what most of us men do...thought to himself that he didn't need a doctor...that he could handle it himself.
Know what you are capable of fixing and not. Leave the things you cannot to an expert...regardless of how embarrassing it may be.
mcantar18c
08-13-2015, 00:35
If he was headed for a medkit then he probably did what most of us men do...thought to himself that he didn't need a doctor...that he could handle it himself.
Know what you are capable of fixing and not. Leave the things you cannot to an expert...regardless of how embarrassing it may be.
If it had happened in a hospital they probably wouldn't have been able to do much. From what I gather, he expired fairly quickly. I mean hell, he didn't last long enough to get to the back of the car he was sitting in... and it's not a very big car.
I highly doubt he thought he didn't need a doctor. Immediate response to trauma is something you don't delay.
Condolences to the family. Odd that it seems like this isn't published anywhere that I have found. You'd think the media would be all over it.
Investigate make sure it was a nd. I'm always worried about being robbed for my guns on the way in or out. Getting in or out of the car is where it would happen. Make sure the bullet matches his gun and if anything he had is missing.
KevDen2005
08-13-2015, 19:08
Yes.
Yes to which part? Do you care to elaborate?
HoneyBadger
08-13-2015, 19:28
If he was headed for a medkit then he probably did what most of us men do...thought to himself that he didn't need a doctor...that he could handle it himself.
Know what you are capable of fixing and not. Leave the things you cannot to an expert...regardless of how embarrassing it may be.
After hitting an artery, there isn't much he (or a surgeon, even if one had been in the passenger seat) could have done. He probably passed out in less than 2 minutes and was gone within 5.
Edit: I should probably read the rest of the thread before posting... [Abused]
spqrzilla
08-13-2015, 23:08
We were driving by and saw the many Aurora PD and crime lab truck, and to my wife, I pretty much guessed the scenario.
mcantar18c
08-13-2015, 23:19
Yes to which part? Do you care to elaborate?
Yes to all of it. And no.
Folks, I gave some insight into the events to dispel any rumours/speculation of suicide, homicide, or extreme (idiotic) negligence, as such things are unbecoming of one of the best men I've ever known.
At this point, on behalf of both the family and TFL, I ask that we refrain from further discussion about the incident.
Thank you.
jhood001
08-13-2015, 23:47
Yes to all of it. And no.
Folks, I gave some insight into the events to dispel any rumours/speculation of suicide, homicide, or extreme (idiotic) negligence, as such things are unbecoming of one of the best men I've ever known.
At this point, on behalf of both the family and TFL, I ask that we refrain from further discussion about the incident.
Thank you.
You never stated your positional 'insight' from the get-go. You never stated that you had actual knowledge about the event and your posts came across as speculation.
I am thankful for all that you have done in your service and your life. And I'm thankful you provided real knowledge on this incredibly unfortunate event.
But you should probably have a game plan when you first enter a thread as serious as this one if you want to control how it is discussed. And how it is ended.
A simple: 'I have personal contact with the deceased and the range' from the get-go would have probably been more than enough to kill the rest of the posts that followed yours. The majority of the guys around here aren't saints, but they are respectful. They'll yield to facts if they come from a members mouth.
Your cloak and dagger posts discussing this event have been worse for the discussion than what you said in your most recent.
And I'm sorry for your loss.
There's no way to say what you'll do when you go into shock.
Very sorry to hear about this.
Great-Kazoo
08-14-2015, 07:15
You never stated your positional 'insight' from the get-go. You never stated that you had actual knowledge about the event and your posts came across as speculation.
I am thankful for all that you have done in your service and your life. And I'm thankful you provided real knowledge on this incredibly unfortunate event.
But you should probably have a game plan when you first enter a thread as serious as this one if you want to control how it is discussed. And how it is ended.
A simple: 'I have personal contact with the deceased and the range' from the get-go would have probably been more than enough to kill the rest of the posts that followed yours. The majority of the guys around here aren't saints, but they are respectful. They'll yield to facts if they come from a members mouth.
Your cloak and dagger posts discussing this event have been worse for the discussion than what you said in your most recent.
And I'm sorry for your loss.
This^^ Discussing something this serious w/out any disclosure took the thread off course, unnecessarily. Let alone putting something on line "hinting and walking " around the story before it made the media was uncalled for. If not a potential legal issue, had this been ruled anything other than an accident.
Lex_Luthor
08-14-2015, 07:52
Wow, very unfortunate. Prayers for the family.
Wow, very sad. And I'm taking a first-time shooter there today.
<edit> My first timer, a co-worker named Sharon, had a great time! She shot a .22 Buckmark, a .32 1914 Mauser, a Bersa Thunder .380, a 9mm Mak PA-63, a RIA 9mm Tactical 1911, a 9mm Browning HiPower, a RIA .45acp Tactical 1911, a .45 Colt Uberti Cattleman, a S&W 586 with .38's and .357's, a .44 magnum Virginian Dragoon, a HiPoint 9mm carbine, and a HiPoint .40 carbine.
She did awesome, she's a natural. Shot several of them better than I can. I thought the .44 magnum might scare her, but she said "oh yeah! That's what I'M talking about!"
Still a big drag about the poor gent losing his life there though. That really sucks. May he rest in peace, and may God bless his survivors.
<edit> My first timer, a co-worker named Sharon, had a great time! She shot a .22 Buckmark, a .32 1914 Mauser, a Bersa Thunder .380, a 9mm Mak PA-63, a RIA 9mm Tactical 1911, a 9mm Browning HiPower, a RIA .45acp Tactical 1911, a .45 Colt Uberti Cattleman, a S&W 586 with .38's and .357's, a .44 magnum Virginian Dragoon, a HiPoint 9mm carbine, and a HiPoint .40 carbine.
With a list like that, if you're ever looking for a new friend, I can supply references :)
O2
Congratulations Sharon, you've shot more guns in one day than I have in my entire life.
mcantar18c
08-15-2015, 02:02
If you'd like to help out the family...
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/150607-EOTech-Crimson-Trace-various-mounts
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/150608-5-56-223-9mm-12GA-123A-batteries
hurley842002
08-15-2015, 12:18
If you'd like to help out the family...
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/150607-EOTech-Crimson-Trace-various-mounts
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/150608-5-56-223-9mm-12GA-123A-batteries
This leads me to believe you knew or were close to the individual, if so I'm sorry for your loss, truly a horrible incident.
Congratulations Sharon, you've shot more guns in one day than I have in my entire life.
Hell, that's just the ones I wanted to carry in! And they don't allow centerfire rifles, so that's a whole 'nother pile she could shoot through. Probably gonna end up taking her out to Ben Lomond for a day of loudenbooming. My wife has a couple of girlfriends that wanna go shooting, and I know a couple of guys I'd like to introduce to the place who might wanna join. Sounds like a pic-a-nic might be in order.....
Did this tragedy ever make the news or paper? I seldom get to watch the news, and never saw it in the paper, but I might have missed it.
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