Red Rocks CCP

[Baetis]

Headed to Red Rocks this weekend for the first time! Do they have metal detectors at the entrances? I just want to be prepared so that I can leave certain tools in the vehicle and avoid any kind of embarrassing scene.

[TFOGGER]

They have a "no weapons" policy, but security for any given event is up to the producers of the event. From what I hear, rap and hip hop events usually involve wand metal detectors and pat downs, but the concerts that I go to they seem more concerned about us not having outside alcoholic beverages or glass bottles. YMMV.

[james_bond_007]

It is my understanding that Red Rocks, et al. are owned by the City and County of Denver.

The complications of which jurisdiction (Denver ?) preempted which (JeffCo ?) puzzled me, so a while back I emailed some of the Denver City officials about both laws in effect and police force jurisdiction.
I also talked to some of the JeffCo court employees that I knew.

What I was told by all, is that Red Rocks and the other Denver Mountain Parks are
a) subject to the laws of the City and County of Denver
and
b) at events, such as concerts at Red Rocks, the Denver PD is on patrol.

In the event of a large altercation, they have cooperative agreements with the neighboring city and county PDs
For any arrests, the suspect will be tried in Denver, if necessary, but possibly held/detained in local/county facilities until transport to Denver can be arranged.

Please understand that I, personally, am not claiming to be an expert on this subject, but am merely passing along the info I gathered from what I considered reliable sources (right or wrong).

Please refer to this https://www.denvergov.org/Portals/747/documents/rules/DPR_RulesAndRegulations.pdf

See Section 7 for firearms and alcohol.

If you are doing to a concert-type event, read the fine print on your ticket. It may have additional restrictions.
(EX: Similar to, it is OK to CC on CSU/CU campus, but not in the football stadium (games) or auditoriums (concerts), as by purchasing a ticket, one agrees to language on the ticket providing such restrictions)

[ruthabagah]

FYI: I did get this information recently from a friend who works for the city.county of Denver. Since RR was recently added to National Historic Landmarks Program, if it does receive a grant for NPS, they will have to abide by the NPS set of rules. One of them is to ban CC in the parks.

[Martinjmpr]

Unless it is private property (and it's not, AFAIK), fine print on a ticket does not trump state law.

As for "NPS rules" I don't know where you're getting that from but it's nonsense. First of all, NPS abides by state law regarding CCW and has since circa 2010, and 2nd the property is either owned by the NPS or it's not, period. If it is owned by NPS, then NPS rules apply (which means state law applies.) If it's not owned by NPS then state law applies.

IOW, state law applies no matter what, and state law is pretty clear on the subject. CCW with a permit is not permitted:

1. On the real property of public elementary through high schools (except that firearms are permitted in vehicles and when participating in recreational hunting or shooting activities on such property)
2. On Federal property (where Federal laws apply anyway)
3. On private property where the property owner doesn't allow it and
4. On public property where there are metal detectors and everybody is searched.

Source: CRS 18-12-214 (javascript:void(pToc.tc2dc('TAASAAVAACAAO','5FW4-5JX0-004D-1174-00000-00','','','1'));)

Those are the ONLY places where your CCW permit does not allow you to carry.

[Baetis]

Thanks all! I kind of figured that I was GTG. Just making sure there wasn't any metal detectors installed.

[sportbikeco]

metal detector wands and pat downs for everyone at all concerts I have gone to at red rocks.


If you are just walking around when there is no concert there will be nothing stopping you.

[funkymonkey1111]

Wands the last few times I was there--no rap or hip hop

garrison Keillor or reggae on the rocks?

[Baetis]

Wands the last few times I was there--no rap or hip hop

garrison Keillor or reggae on the rocks?

Actually Piano Guys tonight.

[Dave_L]

Actually Piano Guys tonight.

Dang! I should pay attention more. I bet that's going to be a great concert!

[james_bond_007]

You can try to fight whatever you want at the gate.
My view:
The people taking your tickets have no authority to change the rules they were given by their management.
Getting a 'Supervisor' on the scene with the authority to change the rules, on the spot, might take a bit of time.
Most err on the side of caution... not what is right or wrong.

Bottom Line : If they don't want to let you and your items in...you will not get in. If you cause too much of a fuss, they will find some petty charge on which to haul you away hold you (disturbing the peace, etc.)

You will then have an option to take your case to court.
Court and lawyer fees are expensive.
There is no law which requires anyone to reimburse you and your expenses, if you are proven 'in the right', in CO, as far as I know.
Best chance, in my opinion, would be to unite with others and other groups willing to share the expenses of such litigation.
I would not want to incur the cost of litigation by myself, just to be 'right'. I can't afford it.

For me, if I really wanted to see the concert, it would not be practical to try and bring any prohibited items with me (like my totems ...see below), unless I was ready to forfeit them or take them back to my car and wait in line again.

If it were me, I'd make a few calls to the City and County of Denver, and to Red Rocks and see what they say.
As I mentioned above, I have the understanding the the laws of the City and Country of Denver prevail at Red Rocks.
I know that there are some Denver laws, with Denver maintaining Home Rule status, such as Open Carry and possession of >20rd mag limit, that preempt State law.

I'd decide which was more important: pushing the issue and possibly missing the concert or seeing the concert.

Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying that 'I believe CC should not be allowed in said venue'.
I'm saying, showing up at the gate and pushing the issue there is the wrong time and place to debate it.
Now, if I were a Sovereign Citizen, things would be different ... [Sarcasm2]



Let us know what you find out ...

http://redrocksonline.com/concerts-events/attending-a-show/permitted-prohibited-items



Concerts & Events - Prohibited Items


Non factory-sealed beverage/liquid filled containers (including thermoses, bota bags or wine skins)
Alcoholic beverages, marijuana or illegal drugs
Glass bottles or aluminum/steel cans
Laser pointers (will be confiscated & patron subject to ejection)
Hard sided coolers
Soft sided coolers larger than 10" x 7" x 7"
Audio or video recording devices, professional cameras or cameras with removable lenses, selfie poles
Weapons or items construed as weapons (e.g., guns, knives, sticks, fireworks)
Totems of any type, make/model
Bullhorns or noisemakers
Aerosol cans (e.g., hairspray, sunscreen)
Framed backpacks
Confetti
Tarps
Animals (except service dogs)
Skateboards or inline skates
Personal property that is a potential hazard to others (e.g., chains, wallet chains or jewelry with spiked edges)

Glass objects
Remote controlled flying devices or UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles)

For your safety and the safety of others, guests and their possessions are subject to inspection as condition of admittance. Please have your bags open and available for inspection. Smoking is only permitted in designated areas along the outside rail of the outside stairs. Smoking is strictly prohibited in the seating area of the amphitheater, including E cigarettes. Red Rocks Management reserves final decision on items brought into the venue.

[Baetis]

Dang! I should pay attention more. I bet that's going to be a great concert!

Hoping so!

[Baetis]

You can try to fight whatever you want at the gate.
My view:
The people taking your tickets have no authority to change the rules they were given by their management.
Getting a 'Supervisor' on the scene with the authority to change the rules, on the spot, might take a bit of time.
Most err on the side of caution... not what is right or wrong.

Bottom Line : If they don't want to let you and your items in...you will not get in. If you cause too much of a fuss, they will find some petty charge on which to haul you away hold you (disturbing the peace, etc.)

You will then have an option to take your case to court.
Court and lawyer fees are expensive.
There is no law which requires anyone to reimburse you and your expenses, if you are proven 'in the right', in CO, as far as I know.
Best chance, in my opinion, would be to unite with others and other groups willing to share the expenses of such litigation.
I would not want to incur the cost of litigation by myself, just to be 'right'. I can't afford it.

For me, if I really wanted to see the concert, it would not be practical to try and bring any prohibited items with me (like my totems ...see below), unless I was ready to forfeit them or take them back to my car and wait in line again.

If it were me, I'd make a few calls to the City and County of Denver, and to Red Rocks and see what they say.
As I mentioned above, I have the understanding the the laws of the City and Country of Denver prevail at Red Rocks.
I know that there are some Denver laws, with Denver maintaining Home Rule status, such as Open Carry and possession of >20rd mag limit, that preempt State law.

I'd decide which was more important: pushing the issue and possibly missing the concert or seeing the concert.

Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying that 'I believe CC should not be allowed in said venue'.
I'm saying, showing up at the gate and pushing the issue there is the wrong time and place to debate it.
Now, if I were a Sovereign Citizen, things would be different ... [Sarcasm2]



Let us know what you find out ...

http://redrocksonline.com/concerts-events/attending-a-show/permitted-prohibited-items


This is why I ask. I do not want to make a scene and will gauge it at the gate when I get there. I don't want to leave it in the car but will if it allows me to keep my anonymity, I will.

[jhood001]

I've gone to a lot of shows at Red Rocks. Around half of them weren't doing pat downs and wands. The last show I went to, Beck, had pat downs only. It resulted in me having to walk all the way back to my car to stow my firearm. I'm pretty confident I could have gotten my firearm through, but I didn't want to create a scene if they did find it.

Worse case - you just might have to do a bit of walking if their security is aggressive for that particular show.

[Baetis]

No pat downs or wands. Full EDC gear, light, CCP, extra mag, and knife. The only change I made was to go to a less than 3" knife due to Denver's stupid knife nonsense, just in case. Great show and I will be to Red Rocks again.

[ClangClang]

No metal detectors that I've ever seen. I've never been wanded either (out of 3 shows) but they've all been pretty benign. Avett Brothers, Lucero, Pretty Lights, etc. No music that's "prone" to violence. I can't even recall being patted down actually. The only time I've ever had an issue at the door was with an umbrella that got confiscated because it had a pointy tip. I guess they were afraid that it would put someone's eye out. There were dozens and dozens of confiscated umbrellas. Never patted me down around the waist at my 4 o'clock though....