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Australia confiscated 650,000 guns. Murders and suicides plummeted. (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/australia-confiscated-650000-guns-murders-and-suicides-plummeted/ar-BBm9eak)
The on-camera shooting of two Virginia reporters Wednesday morning seems bound to evoke, like so many shootings before it, some sort of national conversation about gun control. Which means that there will likely be some of debate about whether it would even be possible for the US to limit its millions of privately held guns — by far a higher per capita gun ownership rate than any other country (http://www.vox.com/2014/6/11/5797892/us-world-firearm-ownership-map).
It is worth considering, as one datapoint in the pool of evidence about what sorts of gun control policies do and do not work, the experience of Australia. Between October 1996 and September 1997, Australia responded to its own gun violence problem with a solution that was both straightforward and severe: they collected roughly 650,000 privately held guns. It was one of the largest mandatory gun buyback programs in recent history.
And it worked. That does not mean that something even remotely similar would work in the US — they are, needless to say, different countries — but it is worth at least looking at their experience.
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But what if I don't want to live in Australia? What if I am happy with our Constitutional protections that keep the federal government from doing what the Australian government did to their citizens?
Did Australia have a significant gun violence problem prior to the gun confiscation? I didn't think so. [facepalm]
Rooskibar03
08-27-2015, 19:34
Government tells me there are 11 million illegal alien in the county and it's impossible to round them all up.
How they gonna handle 300 million guns?
Government tells me there are 11 million illegal alien in the county and it's impossible to round them all up.
How they gonna handle 300 million guns?
Good point. In reality there are probably a lot more than 11 & 300 million... how do they know? They're undocumented aren't they?
Plus think of how many boats they will need to recover a large majority of the currently lost ones...and the additional boating accidents that will certainly lead to more accidental deaths.
Government tells me there are 11 million illegal alien in the county and it's impossible to round them all up.
How they gonna handle 300 million guns?
This made me chuckle. Oh so true...
BushMasterBoy
08-27-2015, 20:29
Latest news is the Australians want closer ties with the Pentagon because they are worried about China. I can just imagine all the Australians in Chinese labor camps.
Source:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/australian-military-to-get-cozier-with-u-s-1440584680
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/06/21/deal-likely-to-bring-more-us-military-assets-to-australia.html
BPTactical
08-27-2015, 21:07
And let's look at the violent "Crimes against Persons" statistics after those confiscations.
Through the roof.
T. B. Turner
08-27-2015, 21:12
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Numbers manipulation and cherry picking of statistics will give them any talking point they want.
Australia also banned the aborigines from purchasing or consuming alcohol.
Perhaps we could benefit from picking a certain group of minorities and specifically banning them from something that is perfectly legal for others?
Kraven251
08-28-2015, 07:25
Honestly, if the .gov decided to confiscate all of the guns in the US, I am pretty sure they wouldn't have much problem finding them. Also, fairly certain they would find most the ammo too.
Honestly, if the .gov decided to confiscate all of the guns in the US, I am pretty sure they wouldn't have much problem finding them. Also, fairly certain they would find most the ammo too.
So, why don't they just take all of the guns and ammo from the criminals then? Seems like a good solution to me. You know, since it's so easy to do.
Although everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I'm going to politely disagree with you on this one.
[Beer]
Honestly, if the .gov decided to confiscate all of the guns in the US, I am pretty sure they wouldn't have much problem finding them. Also, fairly certain they would find most the ammo too.
So, why don't they just take all of the guns and ammo from the criminals then? Seems like a good solution to me. You know, since it's so easy to do.
Although everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I'm going to politely disagree with you on this one.
[Beer]
I guess I'd like to hear more about Kraven's vision too...
I can only imagine they'd make some unconstitutional law that said the private ownership of X is now illegal. Surrender them at X location(s) by X date, or you will be a felon...
Rooskibar03
08-28-2015, 08:36
I think Kraven meant it wouldn't be hard to find the ammo as it would be headed there way at 2600 fps. Or maybe that's just me being snarky first thing in the morning.
I think Kraven meant it wouldn't be hard to find the ammo as it would be headed there way at 2600 fps. Or maybe that's just me being snarky first thing in the morning.
oh haha that very well may be true in some cases too...
speedysst
08-28-2015, 08:57
Plus think of how many boats they will need to recover a large majority of the currently lost ones...and the additional boating accidents that will certainly lead to more accidental deaths.
I believe the response would be: "Dear Sir, as for your claim that you lost your firearms in a terrible boating accident, we have video evidence from our NSA drone that disproves said claim. You will be contacted by Federal Agents."
Hmm. I might owe Kraven an apology. I didn't get the sarcasm in it.
My bad.
[Beer]
Rucker61
08-28-2015, 09:32
This is from an anti-gun poster on another site, but it's pretty funny: "Lets eliminate all gun laws and make guns available to everybody, however you can only buy ammunition from Comcast Customer Service".
This is from an anti-gun poster on another site, but it's pretty funny: "Lets eliminate all gun laws and make guns available to everybody, however you can only buy ammunition from Comcast Customer Service".
...using the ATF payment portal...[hahhah-no]
NSA et al didn't see the Boston bombing coming, they didn't see the church shooting coming, they didn't see the Roanoke shooting coming...Heck, I could go on all day, and you think they could see millions of guns and millions of tons of ammo? Seriously?
You reach a point where there is SO much information, that the total amount of "intelligence" available is so overwhelming, that you can't see a foot in front of yourself. And if you could, you wouldn't have the budget, or manpower to analyze it.
Trust me, they are preparing to use the EPA and other agencies to accomplish what the usual suspects can't. You will be "legislated" out of existence. Already happening, in case you don't follow the news.
NSA et al didn't see the Boston bombing coming, they didn't see the church shooting coming, they didn't see the Roanoke shooting coming...Heck, I could go on all day, and you think they could see millions of guns and millions of tons of ammo? Seriously?
You reach a point where there is SO much information, that the total amount of "intelligence" available is so overwhelming, that you can't see a foot in front of yourself. And if you could, you wouldn't have the budget, or manpower to analyze it.
Trust me, they are preparing to use the EPA and other agencies to accomplish what the usual suspects can't. You will be "legislated" out of existence. Already happening, in case you don't follow the news.
http://youtu.be/pqgwYgBXvgQ
HoneyBadger
08-28-2015, 17:34
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think what Kraven was trying to say is that there are a million different ways to EASILY find 95% of all legal gun owners.
Ever bought a gun from a store?
Ever bought ammo from a store with a debit/credit card?
Ever bought any gun-related things from a store with a credit/debit card or online?
Ever been to a gun-oriented sales website or blog?
These are all just a few of the ways you are being tracked and associated. Do criminals do any of the things listed above? Probably not. But when owning a gun or "gun paraphernalia" becomes a capital crime, the criminals can be easily found.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think what Kraven was trying to say is that there are a million different ways to EASILY find 95% of all legal gun owners.
Ever bought a gun from a store?
Ever bought ammo from a store with a debit/credit card?
Ever bought any gun-related things from a store with a credit/debit card or online?
Ever been to a gun-oriented sales website or blog?
Ever receive anything gun related through the mail?
They're routing things through the mail all the time. You know they at least have the metadata.
More to the point, I think a lot of people would hand stuff over instead of spending time in jail.
HoneyBadger
08-28-2015, 17:47
More to the point, I think a lot of people would hand stuff over instead of spending time in jail.
If things were still quiet, I would consider doing the same. I wouldn't ruin or end the lives of my wife and kids for nothing.
Fine. Move the Great Barrier Reef to a spot about 10 miles West of Nederland, the Whitsunday Islands about 30 miles North of me, and we'll talk.
Deal?
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