Primary Debate Discussion

[HoneyBadger]

I'm a little surprised that nobody has yet started a thread on the Republican Primary debates. Is everyone just sick of politics in general? Did anybody watch?



If you didn't watch, you missed some good stuff, like the worlds most awkward high-five:


http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/09/16/carsontrumpshake.gif

[TFOGGER]

At this point, more than a year out, it doesn't seem to make much difference in what order the clowns pile out of the car. The GOP establishment will field yet another uninspiring, middle of the road, beige candidate, that may or may not get elected based on how popular and energizing the opposition is. Voter apathy will reign, and we'll end up with another career politician in the Oval Office, systematically working to move us towards a dictatorship.

[/doomandgloom]

[HoneyBadger]

At this point, more than a year out, it doesn't seem to make much difference in what order the clowns pile out of the car. The GOP establishment will field yet another uninspiring, middle of the road, beige candidate, that may or may not get elected based on how popular and energizing the opposition is. Voter apathy will reign, and we'll end up with another career politician in the Oval Office, systematically working to move us towards a dictatorship.

[/doomandgloom]
Well, seeing how none of the career politicians are doing very well, I think (and hope) that your prediction will not come true.

[Great-Kazoo]

I'm uninspired and could care less. At this point the only way to have a decent field is to send everyone running, a package of Tar & Feathers.

[StagLefty]

After last night I favor Rubio AND Fiorina but who knows by next week ?

[Singlestack]

I saw it and was encouraged that for the most part the candidates ignored Tapper as he tried to sic em on each other. Sure, they had some disagreements but a lot less red meat than CNN clearly wanted. Also notable was how often candidates had to correct Tapper's characterizations of things they previously said. I can't vouch for every instance, but a couple I was aware of were most definitely misrepresented or taken out of context by CNN. Before the main debate started, you could tell you were listening to CNN by all of the praise directed toward Lindsey Graham. I really don't expect these debates to have an effect on anything.

[Bailey Guns]

"Dr Carson, you just heard his medical opinion." (Trump's)

Carson: "Ha, ha. He's on OK doctor."

Best line, best slam, all night.

[ghettodub]

I just can't take it seriously with Trump up there. I feel like we are watching Idiocracy and he's President Camacho

[funkymonkey1111]

After last night I favor Rubio AND Fiorina but who knows by next week ?

Mr. Immigration reform and Mrs. Moslem lover.

[roberth]

Mr. Immigration reform and Mrs. Moslem lover.

That speech was 14 years ago and don't you think that maybe the media took it out of context?

http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/08/what-did-carly-fiorina-really-say-about-islam-after-9-11/

(http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/08/what-did-carly-fiorina-really-say-about-islam-after-9-11/)http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/08/how-muslims-did-not-invent-algebra/ - I just threw this in here b/c this is the first time I've read about the history of algebra

[funkymonkey1111]

Two weeks after 9/11. She said islamic civilization was the greatest in the world. I'm not sure how that's taken out of context.

Also found this in an article (from her book--which i have not verified as accurate):

"I remember hearing, for the first time, Muslims pray, and how over time their sound evolved from being frightening in its strangeness to comforting in its cadence and repetition—I would feel the same peace when I listened to the sound of summer cicadas around my grandmother's house. I grew to love being awakened in the morning by the sound of the devout man who always came to pray under my bedroom window."

now that sounds like the sentiment of the occupant of the white house...

[roberth]

She also states the span of years she was talking about.


While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.

The Arabs did have a great civilization in comparison to other cultures at that time, they don't anymore though.

She is describing the prayer she heard and how it made her feel, she didn't say she embraced the precepts of Islam.

[Bailey Guns]

I'm not too worried that Fiorina is a closet, radical Islamist. She's still on my short list of favorite candidates.

I'm curious how those who rail against the "republican establishment" and how they're going to pick the candidate for us can explain how 3 of the most popular candidates aren't even politicians. Not only that, but the primaries are exactly when your vote means the most. The "establishment" has nothing to do with who wins/loses primaries.

[Rumline]

Two weeks after 9/11. She said islamic civilization was the greatest in the world. I'm not sure how that's taken out of context.
"was the greatest" vs "is the greatest".

Edit: what roberth said.

[Rumline]

Fiorina and Carson give me hope that the anti-establishment bent to this race may have legs through next year. Even if neither of them end up being the nominee, they add depth, momentum, and legitimacy to the anti-establishment movement. Up until recently I was afraid that we were for sure going to get stuck with Bush or Kasich. Paul is unfortunately out of the running but I'm still pulling for Cruz. He looked good last night as well, despite limited time.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I just can't take it seriously with Trump up there. I feel like we are watching Idiocracy and he's President Camacho

Could be worse. It could have been Hillary, Bernie or Joe up there. Much as I detest Trump, I'd prefer him to any of the Three Stooges.

[XC700116]

I'm not too worried that Fiorina is a closet, radical Islamist. She's still on my short list of favorite candidates.

I'm curious how those who rail against the "republican establishment" and how they're going to pick the candidate for us can explain how 3 of the most popular candidates aren't even politicians. Not only that, but the primaries are exactly when your vote means the most. The "establishment" has nothing to do with who wins/loses primaries.


The only problem with that is the timing for us CO residents, ie the primaries are all but settled by the time we get to throw our 2 cents in on the subject and the field will be down to 1 or 2 by that point.

Then look at what happened last time around to Herman Cain, got too close to the golden ring and the hit squad came out of the woodwork. Granted that was probably primarily the Dems because he was Obama Kryptonite, but the same thing will happen this time around if any of the "back benchers" get too big for their britches. It's the way the 2 big league parties work. Trump has a list a mile long to use against him, Carson will magically have some scrub nurse from 25 years ago claim sexual advances, Fiorina will end up with some financial scandal thrown on her doorstep, we've all seen the pattern. $10 says it's Bush, Crispy Cream, or maybe Rubio but doubtful, when the dust settles.

[Great-Kazoo]

The only problem with that is the timing for us CO residents, ie the primaries are all but settled by the time we get to throw our 2 cents in on the subject and the field will be down to 1 or 2 by that point.

Then look at what happened last time around to Herman Cain, got too close to the golden ring and the hit squad came out of the woodwork. Granted that was probably primarily the Dems because he was Obama Kryptonite, but the same thing will happen this time around if any of the "back benchers" get too big for their britches. It's the way the 2 big league parties work. Trump has a list a mile long to use against him, Carson will magically have some scrub nurse from 25 years ago claim sexual advances, Fiorina will end up with some financial scandal thrown on her doorstep, we've all seen the pattern. $10 says it's Bush, Crispy Cream, or maybe Rubio but doubtful, when the dust settles.

Like i said before. It's the R's to lose, AGAIN.

[XC700116]

Like i said before. It's the R's to lose, AGAIN.

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[asmo]

I basically live blogged it on my Facebook. Next time I will do it here.