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I'm in the finishing stages of downloading all of my CD's to hard drives and want to get rid of the physical CD's. Are CD's fodder for the recycling bin or is there any value in them now? (nothing rare, no autographs, just late -70's to mid-90's stuff)
There is a used cd market. Probably a number of used cd shops in Boulder.
What all do you have and what are you looking to get for them?
Put a list up on the for sale section. I have digitized ALL of my media (DVD's, BluRays, Music, Movies, TV shows, Etc) and I would consider buying CD's to add to my digital media server.
Downloaded my whole collection to Apple Lossless last year. Took a box (100-150 discs) to one of the BST stores. Came back a week later and they were interested in less than 10 CDs. Not even the good ones.
Yep, they are fodder.
Maybe start a "pay it forward" for CDs on this site.
Honey Badger282.8
09-29-2015, 22:30
Second Spin on Colorado Blvd will take them. Be prepared for $0.50-$5.00 values depending on the artist. Some places give better values for store credit, I do this so I can rip the music and pick up new CD's to expand the library.
USMC88-93
09-29-2015, 22:38
Once you have them in your music player (presuming itunes) but whatever player print out the album list to a pdf or screen print it and post the list of cd's here I am not above driving to Boulder if there are any that appeal to me and the price is right.
If you are just going to "trash or recycle" them let me be the first to say I will take them in that circumstance. Just be certain that the format you chose to convert them too is the format you want to keep them in before you get rid of the CD's.
Low resolution mp3 vs Apple lossless or FLAC can be quite a difference in listening quality.
As the poster below me pointed out. The DMCA expects you to delete all digital forms of any album you own if you "get rid of intentionally" the original format of form that you purchased the music. (Basic expectation is that the digital copy you ripped it to is your "back up" of the recording while you retain the original. I will leave you to your own interpretation of how you understand that law.
Aloha_Shooter
09-29-2015, 23:07
As USMC88-93 points out, make sure you choose the format you want before getting rid of the CDs. I keep mine so I have the option of changing formats or recording density -- when I first began ripping my CDs so I could carry my music more easily, I used 128 kbps, sometimes 160 for "high" resolution in order to keep file sizes manageable. Nowadays, I'd want 192 kbps for the car and 256+ for home use.
I won't get into "fair use" defense since I detest the DMCA and RIAA but from an ethical standpoint, selling or giving away your CD but keeping the digital copy is depriving the artist of his/her cut on that album. If you keep or trash the CD, all you've done is change formats, much like those of us that taped record albums so we could carry more music on cassette tapes (yes, I'm old as fsck).
USMC88-93
09-29-2015, 23:19
so we could carry more music on cassette tapes (yes, I'm old as fsck).
Creating your own "mix tape" at the Tower records kiosk huh.
Great-Kazoo
09-29-2015, 23:20
As USMC88-93 points out, make sure you choose the format you want before getting rid of the CDs. I keep mine so I have the option of changing formats or recording density -- when I first began ripping my CDs so I could carry my music more easily, I used 128 kbps, sometimes 160 for "high" resolution in order to keep file sizes manageable. Nowadays, I'd want 192 kbps for the car and 256+ for home use.
I won't get into "fair use" defense since I detest the DMCA and RIAA but from an ethical standpoint, selling or giving away your CD but keeping the digital copy is depriving the artist of his/her cut on that album. If you keep or trash the CD, all you've done is change formats, much like those of us that taped record albums so we could carry more music on cassette tapes (yes, I'm old as fsck).
Reel - Reel here, son.
Aloha_Shooter
09-29-2015, 23:31
Creating your own "mix tape" at the Tower records kiosk huh.
Tower? Nah, too pricey and I think they only got to the Islands about the time I was in high school. I got my LPs at the BX.
As far as Kazoo goes, the reel-to-reel wasn't portable ... and it broke. I still have cases for carrying a couple dozen (more more) cassettes ... [facepalm]
Reel - Reel here, son.
All the good stuff was once laid down and mastered on tape. Just saying.
Tradesmart does, too. Actually, there are a bunch of places on Broadway that deal in used CDs. I think there's a place in Aurora, next to the "Unique" second-hand shop that also will buy used CDs.
We burn them, digitally store them, but still hang onto them. Because they are ours, Preciousssss.
As USMC88-93 points out, make sure you choose the format you want before getting rid of the CDs. I keep mine so I have the option of changing formats or recording density -- when I first began ripping my CDs so I could carry my music more easily, I used 128 kbps, sometimes 160 for "high" resolution in order to keep file sizes manageable. Nowadays, I'd want 192 kbps for the car and 256+ for home use.
I won't get into "fair use" defense since I detest the DMCA and RIAA but from an ethical standpoint, selling or giving away your CD but keeping the digital copy is depriving the artist of his/her cut on that album. If you keep or trash the CD, all you've done is change formats, much like those of us that taped record albums so we could carry more music on cassette tapes (yes, I'm old as fsck).
^ This is best advice!
I keep mine as well. I also try to buy anything new I like on CD even if I have to pick up extra tracks from iTunes.
CDs are a near lossless perfect representation of the master--took us 100 years to figure this out. Every other format features some kind of compression. As storage costs decrease, this is less necessary but it's the tech we have. And I have yet to meet anyone that rips to RAW.
Will that matter for most people? Probably not. But I do hear a difference on my Sony system when I play a CD vs streaming from iTunes via Airport Express or an iThingy. YMMV.
^ This is best advice!
I keep mine as well. I also try to buy anything new I like on CD even if I have to pick up extra tracks from iTunes.
CDs are a near lossless perfect representation of the master--took us 100 years to figure this out. Only master tape to Vinyl avoids some form of compression. Every other format features some kind of compression. As storage costs decrease, this is less necessary but it's the tech we have. And I have yet to meet anyone that rips to RAW.
Will that matter for most people? Probably not. But I do hear a difference on my Sony system when I play a CD vs streaming from iTunes via Airport Express or an iThingy. YMMV.
FIFY
Another way to say that would be "Every other DIGITAL format features some kind of compression."
Are studios recording in lossless digital formats now?
I rip everything to flac, that's lossless and doesn't use compression but results in larger files.
edit: turns out flac does use compression but is losless https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLAC
blacklabel
09-30-2015, 16:41
I ripped all of my CDs in 2006 and got maybe $250-$300 for 500+ CDs then. I can't imagine you'll get much more than $.25 to $.50 a piece now.
FIFY
Another way to say that would be "Every other DIGITAL format features some kind of compression."
Are studios recording in lossless digital formats now?
My understanding is they are and that means there is no tape to begin with but a digital master. Ken Andrews (love his work) was one of the first major producers to stick his neck out defending it almost ten years ago.
I have some vinyl myself but it doesn't get played enough. It's a long process but I rip that to WAV, run the filters on it, import into iTunes, then convert to AAC for the iThingies. You lose the warm tones and the experience is different but I can't lug a turntable around. My buddy has really nice setup with a turntable and I really like that sound but he spent a lot of $$$.
And I will always keep my vinyl just like I keep my CDs.
Another villain is extreme DRC. When this is abused, the medium doesn't matter. Great pieces on this from CNET on that if anyone is interested...
http://www.cnet.com/news/whats-the-difference-dynamic-vs-lossy-audio-compression/
http://www.cnet.com/news/compression-is-killing-your-music/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v6ML2DsBfA
If you buy iTunes or Amazon MP3 files you're getting dynamically compressed, lossy compressed music. Congratulations, you're getting the worst of both forms of compression! You can avoid lossy compression by buying the CD, but chances are it will still be dynamically compressed.
Bailey Guns
09-30-2015, 18:28
My 8-Track collection could use an update...
If ya still wanna sell 'em, I might be innerested if you have some good rock.....and the price is right.
Zundfolge
09-30-2015, 19:44
I'd keep them if you can. If you lose a hard drive then you'll have to go re-buy all of it (or get it through less than legal means).
Keep in mind that there are two types of people in the world. Those that have lost a hard drive and those that will.
I'd keep them if you can. If you lose a hard drive then you'll have to go re-buy all of it (or get it through less than legal means).
Keep in mind that there are two types of people in the world. Those that have lost a hard drive and those that will.
RAID-5, hot spare, off site backups, and I still keep the original movies/DVDs/BluRays/CDs
I think the last time I bought a CD was when I was still driving my first car.
My 8-Track collection could use an update...
[ROFL1]
I need some new 8 track tapes!
Not sure how I would advertise/display my CDs. Way too diverse. What is a fair price? Most of what I have is unique and not main stream. Pics of titles may not do much.
If someone wanted to look through a collection of punk/alt country/industrial/blues/western swing/celtic/cartoon/local/trance/be bop/hard bop/surf/spaghetti western/industrial/blue grass/... Yes, the collection is that diverse. I'd be willing to sit down over a beer with them.
Already chosen my format.
Great-Kazoo
09-30-2015, 23:51
I need some new 8 track tapes!
Not sure how I would advertise/display my CDs. Way too diverse. What is a fair price? Most of what I have is unique and not main stream. Pics of titles may not do much.
If someone wanted to look through a collection of punk/alt country/industrial/blues/western swing/celtic/cartoon/local/trance/be bop/hard bop/surf/spaghetti western/industrial/blue grass/... Yes, the collection is that diverse. I'd be willing to sit down over a beer with them.
Already chosen my format.
Come get me and we'll divvy the spoils. Based on your what you listening post there's probably the same music in your collection as there is mine.
I would like to add the Buena Vista Social Club CD's to the collection.
Zundfolge
10-01-2015, 09:17
RAID-5, hot spare, off site backups, and I still keep the original movies/DVDs/BluRays/CDs
Two is one, one is none. Words to live by in this digital age.
jerrymrc
10-01-2015, 09:20
I would be interested. I also have new blank 8-tracks but then I have a car that can use them. Also have an adapter to play cassettes in it as well. [Coffee][Coffee][Peep]
NFATrustGuy
10-01-2015, 12:56
I would like to add the Buena Vista Social Club CD's to the collection.
I have one of the BVSC CDs. It's not bad for background music...
You continue to surprise me, Kazoo.
BTW... My dad actually had a small reel-to-reel tape deck in his car in the early 70's. He also had a radio telephone with rotary dial that connected to a live mobile operator. The operator could take messages for my dad and remotely illuminate a light on dad's phone indicating he had a message. Pretty amazing to think how far this technology has come even in my lifetime.
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BTW... My dad actually had a small reel-to-reel tape deck in his car in the early 70's. He also had a radio telephone with rotary dial that connected to a live mobile operator. The operator could take messages for my dad and remotely illuminate a light on dad's phone indicating he had a message. Pretty amazing to think how far this technology has come even in my lifetime.
My grandfather still has the under dash record player he had in his car a long time ago.
Two is one, one is none. Words to live by in this digital age.
Yeah I just think about all the time I took to rip each video (even a feature from a blu-ray) and it makes me want to make one more backup.
Come get me and we'll divvy the spoils. Based on your what you listening post there's probably the same music in your collection as there is mine.
I would like to add the Buena Vista Social Club CD's to the collection.
I've watched the BVSC several times but never owned the CD.
Do we need a music meet-up?
Everyone bring CDs and we'll trade. Add in a shoot to take care of the duds.
I rip everything to flac, that's lossless and doesn't use compression but results in larger files.
edit: turns out flac does use compression but is losless https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLAC
^ This, I ripped 300+ CDs to flac, a copy is easily sampled down later for iTunes or whatever. Drive space is cheap do not sell yourself short and go 128 kps or even 320 as the only copy of your music.
I'm looking for older CD's, expanding my collection.
Interested in buying or borrowing to rip. My taste is eclectic, so if you have any CD's you want to part with or loan, please let me know.
colorider
02-14-2020, 14:28
Describe eclectic. Industrial? Hardcore ? Grindcore? Electronic fusion? Trip hop? Ragaeton?
I'm looking for older CD's, expanding my collection.
Interested in buying or borrowing to rip. My taste is eclectic, so if you have any CD's you want to part with or loan, please let me know.
How eclectic?
Great-Kazoo
02-14-2020, 15:57
I'm looking for older CD's, expanding my collection.
Interested in buying or borrowing to rip. My taste is eclectic, so if you have any CD's you want to part with or loan, please let me know.
Ernie Novembers in Cheyenne, has what you're looking for. Since the ended up with approx 600 of my cd's
You drop those off on the way to Arizona?
Great-Kazoo
02-14-2020, 18:55
You drop those off on the way to Arizona?
Actually i did, the week before we left. Had lunch with the mgr and a few others at a decent pizza place in downtown cheyoming.
theGinsue
02-14-2020, 23:42
Wow, this is certainly an old thread that got dredged up - but timely for me. I'll probably be shopping at Entertainmart tomorrow to get some Elvis, Rush, AC/DC, and blues CD's to digitize onto my NAS.
Why? You can get literally any music online, instantly.
Met a guy at work that's part of a group of audiophiles that collect music. Got their own servers and everything. He even owns part or a record co. He's got five 4TB external drives completely loaded, just for transporting music around, and recently picked up a 12TB drive too. He's got shit you wouldn't believe - rock, blues, jazz, rap, country, gospel, show tunes, movies, any genre & artist you can think of. If he doesn't have it, one of his buddies does!
He's been hookin' me up, I've got two 128gb thumb drives in my truck, one is stuffed with 12,422 songs and the other's about 1/2 way. Friggin' awesome! Always hearing something new.
Met a guy at work that's part of a group of audiophiles.....
Whoa. I wouldn?t hang out with anyone who is a sexual predator.
Why? You can get literally any music online, instantly.
Some sites, like iTunes, only go to 128bps. There are site that do bit for bit downloads.
iTunes will also download their version of a song you already have.
iTunes will also download their version of a song you already have.
Like the PG versions of Eminem or Limp Bizkit?
Some sites, like iTunes, only go to 128bps. There are site that do bit for bit downloads.
For streaming you can do Qobuz, Tidal, or amazon music HD. They have flac 24 bit up to 192khz.
Aloha_Shooter
02-16-2020, 00:10
Wow, this is certainly an old thread that got dredged up - but timely for me. I'll probably be shopping at Entertainmart tomorrow to get some Elvis, Rush, AC/DC, and blues CD's to digitize onto my NAS.
Why? You can get literally any music online, instantly.
I would guess that @theGinsue believes you don't really own it unless you own a physical copy. Getting the physical CD in CD format means you can rip it to whatever standard you want whenever you want to. Get a digital license and 1) you can lose it when the company decides you no longer have a license, 2) you will likely have the opportunity to buy a new license if/when you shift formats or platforms. In addition, the performers usually get a larger cut from you buying a physical album than from a digital version.
I still get some music online regularly but I buy a physical copy of anything I care about and want to hold in archive.
If you get a subscription to Spotify, or something, that allows you to download music, does that music become inaccessible when you cancel your subscription?
I have never had a CD I owned cancelled. I can put it in any format I want. I can prove I own it. Before digital files, I could burn it to a CD so if it gets stolen from my car, I can just make another copy. Someone will have to take it from me and I don't have to worry about streaming service changes.
I still have access to Amazon Music through my Prime account so that's a bonus. I also pay for a Pandora account which gives convenience, customized content, and has exposed me to more music that I didn't know existed through their music genome project. If I find something I really like, I'll buy the CD.
I feel similar about books, but in a more realistic way.
Most modern music is practically disposable anyway, so there's no point in buying physical copies anyway.
You can't cancel music, and no one will ever ask you to prove you own it. If something about a streaming service changes, it doesn't matter. The music didn't cease to exist, it's just elsewhere. There are no scenarios where your access to music would be cut off, that wouldn't also be combined with something else so important that the music part would even matter. All those arguments are worse than any for getting mags pinned.
As with the mags thread though, it's your money, time, and space, not mine; so I wish you the best on your journey.
You can't cancel music, and no one will ever ask you to prove you own it. If something about a streaming service changes, it doesn't matter. The music didn't cease to exist, it's just elsewhere. There are no scenarios where your access to music would be cut off, that wouldn't also be combined with something else so important that the music part would even matter. All those arguments are worse than any for getting mags pinned.
Yeah but if there's zombies and an EMP, all that digital music will be gone! You'll have nothing, but at least we can play frisbee with the CDs! [Sarcasm2]
Random note: Phones are pretty resistant to major EMP. Too small to get inductive shorting.
CD-Players are not that resistant to major EMP at all, in part because they're always physically hooked into a laptop or PC. Ones plugged into vehicles may fare better.
CDs actually have less pragmatic longevity than their high-quality data versions.... for several reasons. As long as computers exist, the data has far better longevity than the optical disk. And if computers cease to exist, you've got nothing more than shiny Frisbees anyway. So people shouldn't hold onto them like they're an artistic seed vault or something.
Now I've seen the error of my ways and can get rid of my CD collection.
ETA: Nah. I'm still not convinced.
AM/FM is still free. Just saying.
AM/FM is still free. Just saying.
Puke.....
AM HD! [Coffee]
I like to hear all those human growth hormone and divorce lawyer commercials loud and clear.
scratchy
02-16-2020, 22:04
I'll keep the CDs and DVDs but I'll but them in binders and lose the jewel cases.
Great-Kazoo
02-17-2020, 09:10
You can't cancel music, and no one will ever ask you to prove you own it. .
NAPSTER < Metallica
Shut down free digital sharing, so yes someone asked them to prove they owned it. Which they didn't.
http://youtu.be/_zMrQIJiRDQ
Great-Kazoo
02-17-2020, 09:43
http://youtu.be/_zMrQIJiRDQ
No mojo, how true.
He also has a segment in that same episode where he discusses how musicians had to 'build their chops' working their way through small gigs while honing their craft. Now people make music at home on a computer. The music industry is in a weird place.
NAPSTER < Metallica
Shut down free digital sharing, so yes someone asked them to prove they owned it. Which they didn't.
Swing and a miss. You are completely missing point here. No one is talking about stealing music like it's the late nineties. The discussion is if there is a reason to own a physical copy of the music. So far, no one has been able to come up with any of the few reasonable arguments, album art, lyrics sheets, vinyl collection, etc. Aloha mentioned the artists being paid more and that's an okay argument if it's true, but I imagine would be easily get in other ways like going to a show or buying merch.
Not everything is in a digital format.
Besides, Skynet.
Amazon has already proven that it will remove digital copies that were purchased, when it had an issue of licensing. (Yes, in this case, it was a book. But to me, digital is digital.)
Yes, we have Amazon music for sheer convenience- but I immediately download it onto an external HD when we purchase music.
There is also the fact that digital music may not be brought into certain secure facilities. CDs can (not home-burned CDs, purchased CDs.)
I like to have books around, which take up even more volume/weight than CDs.
BushMasterBoy
02-18-2020, 06:18
I miss pay phones.
ChickNorris
02-18-2020, 08:12
I miss pay phones.
Some folks miss the booths too.
OldFogey
02-18-2020, 08:40
Some folks miss the booths too.
Only the Supers.
ChickNorris
02-18-2020, 08:48
I'm looking for older CD's, expanding my collection.
Interested in buying or borrowing to rip. My taste is eclectic, so if you have any CD's you want to part with or loan, please let me know.
For loan, I have a decent collection of classical, jazz & blues along with some random 'noise' if you're lacking in the genres.
whitewalrus
02-18-2020, 09:15
For loan, I have a decent collection of classical, jazz & blues along with some random 'noise' if you're lacking in the genres.
Keep the jazz for profiling purposes?
https://youtu.be/PaLXVYhXHeY
ChickNorris
02-18-2020, 09:38
I forgot about that scene.
Depends on what you mean by "jazz". I have some Ahmad Jamal and Flim & the BBs TriCycle (one of the first DDD mastered albums I ever owned when CD players were expensive and rare). Or are you talking Kenny G?
Fun trivia bit, The Flim & the BBs album had a warning about the extremely low noise floor of the recording and to not set your volume based on the typical background 'hiss' of analog. They have a song that starts out really quiet and then BANG! "Whoa...holy hell that was loud. I think I just blew my speakers."
ETA:
http://youtu.be/YCgIorbove4
ChickNorris
02-18-2020, 09:45
I did say along with some random noise.
Keep up Gman
I was thinking maybe Art of Noise. What's classified as "noise" varies by the listener (I am master of the obvious).
My musical taste is very eclectic. I love the music of the '70s and '80s, some '60s (not a fan of the Beatles). Then I also like some newer stuff like Linkin Park. The emotion conveyed by Chester Bennington's vocals was really unmatched IMO.
http://youtu.be/kXYiU_JCYtU
I like to have books around, which take up even more volume/weight than CDs.
Me, too. :)
The wife is a voracious reader. After we got married she agreed to part with most of her books except for some valued novels that she re-reads. Her Kindle and iPhone get a workout when she goes into reading mode. I don't get how someone can sit in a bathtub for 4 hours and read 4 books in that time.
For me, Jazz is something that when it influences any other type of music, that music is improved because of it, but I can't get into Jazz itself. I'm sure there are jazz artists/songs that I would like, but I can't dive into the genre enough to find out. The first minute or so of what Gman just posted above didn't make me want to immediately swan dive into an empty pool, for example. I strongly relate to this piece by Paul F Tompkins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKSMbPbuGYE
The closest I get to jazz, is listening to lofi hiphop on the ChilledCow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHW1oY26kxQ) YouTube live stream channel. That might be so far derived from jazz that it's a stretch to even mention though.
Some jazz can be really disjointed, so I can understand it not being everyone's cup of tea. I love listening to piano, and I guess I inherited an appreciation of jazz by listening to my dad's LPs in my impressionable years when I was a kid. Ahmad Jamal is in there, along with Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass. I remember enjoying the classic comedy of performers like Stan Freberg, particularly Stan Freberg Presents The History of the United States of America.
http://youtu.be/ZXmCIFKRrTY
As far as possessing the content, I know of TV shows that I enjoyed on PBS when I was younger that are available nowhere now. I really want to re-watch them, but I can't find them on any medium. It wouldn't surprise me if this becomes an issue again in the future.
I think we should have a call to arms type search for music/shows that people want to get a hold of. That way people with way better search skills can see what they can find. Not like much else is going on.
ChickNorris
02-18-2020, 13:14
I would like to watch the Northern Exposure series with the original broadcast soundtracks
Aloha_Shooter
02-18-2020, 22:20
Some folks miss the booths too.
https://youtu.be/HN7OBEd5hRM?t=91
At t=91 ...
Some folks miss the booths too.
http://youtu.be/Z5ezsReZcxU
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