View Full Version : Moving to Colorado with 2015 magazines (Magpul AK/Glock, etc.)
Remind me...
I remember being convinced that it was ok if someone who lives out of state, owns any sort of magazines, etc. decides to move to Colorado - that that person can bring the mags with him, regardless. But I was discussing with a customer the other night who was an attorney, and he was not convinced at all. I went back and read the law, and now can't remember why I was so sure it was ok.
Skip the "they'll never know" argument - I'm talking about new products like Magpul/Glock 17rd mags or the Magpul AK47 mags.
If you live in Wyoming, can you bring your new Magpul ak47 mags with you when you relocate to Colo?
Any legit theories welcome, I know it's not clearly spelled out.
Hmm...that's a thinker for sure. The grandfather clause protects any magazines purchased on/before July 1st,2013 but because you legally owned them in a free state after that date that does become a grey area.
Only magazines possessed before the cut off date are grandfathered, no matter where you lived at the time.
Plastic mags and parts typically have mold dates on them, making them the only magazines that you could possibly be persecuted, sorry, I mean prosecuted over.
About the only thing I'd warn you against to avoid being the test case is publishing the fact that you're possibly moving to Colorado with non-grandfathered magazines on large, public discussion boards.
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Bailey Guns
10-08-2015, 06:34
Looks to me like it's OK. The statute says the "ban" doesn't apply if you possess the prohibited mag prior to the law's effective date. Nowhere does it say you must possess it within the state of Colorado. Personally I wouldn't worry about it and I'd bring my mags with me.
If he has mags manufactured in 2015 then in state or out, I'd imagine that they would be a no go. Find a buddy that has mags dated pre ban and trade mags with him before you move.
Many places in the state are still selling new 30 round mags, they just disassemble them prior to checkout to be in compliance. I cant wait for this stupid law to go away.
Are repair kits dated? I assume if it is a freshly disassembled magpul, the date is still there? Once assembled or "repaired" what separates it from an imported new mag?
lostcolorado
10-08-2015, 11:40
Many places in the state are still selling new 30 round mags, they just disassemble them prior to checkout to be in compliance. I cant wait for this stupid law to go away.
I know a shop in the Springs that will sell you a disassembled 30 round pMag and list it on your receipt as a "magazine parts kit." Whether or not that's legal is not the question. The question is can you have a post July 2013 15+ round magazine in your possession? I think the answer is no.
(2) (a) A PERSON MAY POSSESS A LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE IF HEOR SHE:
(I) OWNS THE LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE ON THE EFFECTIVE DATEOF THIS SECTION; AND
(II) MAINTAINS CONTINUOUS POSSESSION OF THE LARGE-CAPACITYMAGAZINE.
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2013a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/7E6713B015E62E6F87257B0100813CB5?open&file=1224_enr.pdf
Are repair kits dated? I assume if it is a freshly disassembled magpul, the date is still there? Once assembled or "repaired" what separates it from an imported new mag?
Once assembled, it is a magazine, which makes it illegal. Furthermore, the act of assembling it is a violation of the law as well.
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Rucker61
10-08-2015, 13:25
Once assembled, it is a magazine, which makes it illegal. Furthermore, the act of assembling it is a violation of the law as well.
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Interestingly, there's no requirement to leave any date codes on your pieces of plastic.
On this note I have a pmag that is in actual need of repair. One of the lips on top of the mag has split. Is it legal if I get a repair kit to actually replace a part that I owned before the ban?
On this note I have a pmag that is in actual need of repair. One of the lips on top of the mag has split. Is it legal if I get a repair kit to actually replace a part that I owned before the ban?
No because your mags are grandfathered in
No because your mags are grandfathered in
The only original parts are going to be the spring, follower and baseplate. Let's say those break and I replace them, I'll have a completely new mag. Would I need to keep the old broken parts?
I think a couple of you were missing the point of my question. Magpul Glock and AK47 mags for example were not manufactured before the effective date, so zero mags exist that are legal for legacy Colorado residents. But John Doe the Wyoming resident who is moving here next year has 20 of them. Is he forced to destroy them or leave them behind?
Destroying the date code is a big no no, and wouldn't matter anyway, as the mags didn't exist early enough to count.
Anyway, I thought I had remembered we had a clear answer to that at some point, but just reading the thoughts here, it sounds like it's as murky as the rest of the new laws...
If they're not manufactured pre ban date then they're not legal. Only if you owned them before the ban.
It is interesting that Grizzly Mike at the Tanner sells new Magpul AK and Glock mags. He drills a hole and inserts a pop rivet to reduce capacity. He will tell you that he has verified with legal counsel and law enforcement that this is legal. Modifying mags also appears to be legal in the ten round states as well. I have a pistol that normally holds 12 rounds. Frequently on line the only mags available are 10 rounders from the factory that have a simple spacer glued to the inside bottom spring plate. Once I get them home I pop the spacer out and reassemble to a 12 rounder.
If I were this guy moving here from out of state I would modify the mags to only hold 15 rounds before I moved.
SamuraiCO
10-08-2015, 17:22
Since no one enforces the law are you really that worried? Hence the reason the Sheriff's are challenging again.
kidicarus13
10-08-2015, 17:38
Destroying the date code is a big no no.
Says who? Says where in the Colorado Revised Statutes?
Stevensje
10-08-2015, 17:41
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I think this might be one of the points the sheriffs are contesting. It's just not enforceable. I wonder if anyone has anyone ever been charged under this statute?
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US Law Shield is saying thier have been numerous people charged with new mag ban law but that all of them have been add on charges. I.E. selling heroin AND he/she is in possession of a "High Capacity Magazine"
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US Law Shield is saying thier have been numerous people charged with new mag ban law but that all of them have been add on charges. I.E. selling heroin AND he/she is in possession of a "High Capacity Magazine"
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For some reason, I don't feel so bad about these people getting charged. [LOL]
HoneyBadger
10-09-2015, 09:28
If someone wanted to prosecute you for breaking THIS law, I don't see how you could legally defend possessing magazines that were known to be manufactured after the ban, such as the Magpul mags. Hypothetically, if the person moving to CO was worried about it, I would recommend that they trade somebody for some older, or unmarked, mags.
Honestly, I think if anyone one of us were ever questioned and/or prosecuted for violating this law, there would be much bigger things to worry about. i.e.: You just killed somebody (justly or not) and the LEO is questioning the Magpul Glock mag that you used.
Bailey Guns
10-09-2015, 21:35
You could always use it as a bargaining chip. "So, drop that murder charge and I'll plead straight up to that magazine possession charge. Deal?"
Great-Kazoo
10-09-2015, 22:27
You could always use it as a bargaining chip. "So, drop that murder charge and I'll plead straight up to that magazine possession charge. Deal?"
But can he do 8 months standing on his head in a toilet ?
Since no one enforces the law are you really that worried? Hence the reason the Sheriff's are challenging again.
No, actually not worried about it at all. It's not like anyone is paying attention to the rules anyway. Just an academic discussion.
"arbitrary and capricious"
Don't worry about it. There still selling standard capacity 30 rounders in a lot of the stores I visit.
Nobody cares as far as I'm concerned.
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