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UrbanWolf
10-13-2015, 22:41
My friend's house just got robbed. His M70 Npap is stolen, M70A stolen, a Ruger 10/22, and thousands of ammo is stolen as well. This really sucked for him. The only thing they didn't took was a Mosin, guess it was too long for them to carry.
Be careful out there.
They must have been in there for a while. Gun safes are fairly difficult to get into.
UrbanWolf
10-13-2015, 22:45
He doesn't have one. I have told him many times to get one, he just spend money on guns and ammo.
hurley842002
10-13-2015, 22:47
he just spend money on guns and ammo.
His bad....
I figured he didn't have one. It was more a smart ass, unsympathetic comment.
It does suck that he was burglarized but I find it difficult to feel too bad for people whose firearms are stolen when they just have them in a closet or under a bed or whatever.
HoneyBadger
10-13-2015, 22:57
I do not put each of my guns in a safe every time I leave the house. Do I deserve to get robbed too?
I do feel bad for him. That sucks to lose your guns. Definitely should have a safe.
DenverGP
10-13-2015, 23:03
What part of town? Any more info about the robbery? How long was the house empty? Anything taken besides firearms/ammo? Any gun stickers on vehicles parked outside the house?
pickenup
10-13-2015, 23:08
I hate thieves.
BushMasterBoy
10-13-2015, 23:25
good time to take digital pictures of guns and serial numbers. record them in a word document and put them in "My Documents". or print them on paper. i hope the r soles get caught and do time.
UrbanWolf
10-13-2015, 23:27
What part of town? Any more info about the robbery? How long was the house empty? Anything taken besides firearms/ammo? Any gun stickers on vehicles parked outside the house?
Morrison. House was only empty for a few hours. Police suspect inside job.
hurley842002
10-13-2015, 23:28
I do not put each of my guns in a safe every time I leave the house. Do I deserve to get robbed too?
Did anyone say he deserved to get robbed? Big difference in being unsympathetic and genuinely wishing ill will upon someone.
Shitty deal, hopefully the robbers get caught and he gets his property back.
I do not put each of my guns in a safe every time I leave the house. Do I deserve to get robbed too?
HB, you are in Cali, best to not comment on gun storage. (Or the dude that shot up his office will send his henchmen after you)
DenverGP
10-13-2015, 23:49
If the crooks had 2 or 3 hours, wouldn't they be able to get into most home safes?
If the crooks had 2 or 3 hours, wouldn't they be able to get into most home safes?
With the right equipment, I'd say so. Noise would be another factor but most people nowadays don't pay any attention.
hghclsswhitetrsh
10-14-2015, 01:29
That sucks, I feel bad for the guy. What amazes me is when people have 10k plus worth of guns ammo valuables etc it a $400 safe...
Circuits
10-14-2015, 01:33
If the crooks had 2 or 3 hours, wouldn't they be able to get into most home safes?
Less than 1/2 hr, if noise isn't a problem, would be my estimate. Noise would extend the timeframe, presuming they weren't equipped to just rip out and transport the safe entirely.
You can't make anything truly secure, you can just try to make it more trouble than it's worth (presumably) to get to it.
I do not put each of my guns in a safe every time I leave the house. Do I deserve to get robbed too?
See below.
Did anyone say he deserved to get robbed? Big difference in being unsympathetic and genuinely wishing ill will upon someone.
Thanks. [Beer]
Oh, and there are some pretty good vidoes on YouTube that show how easy it is to break into most gun safes in a short amount of time.
Remember folks, locking up your stuff just keeps the honest people honest. The dishonest people are still going to find a way to get to it.
drift_g35
10-14-2015, 07:52
Is insurance going to cover anything? I recently found out that my homeowners only covers $2500 of firearms. I have a safe but, i'm definitely in the process of getting an umbrella policy.
HoneyBadger
10-14-2015, 09:07
HB, you are in Cali, best to not comment on gun storage. (Or the dude that shot up his office will send his henchmen after you)
I'm not too worried. Mrs HB is home 24/7 and would have no problem unloading on any unwelcome visitors to protect the baby HoneyBadgers. -with our CA compliant guns, of course ;)
Great-Kazoo
10-14-2015, 10:04
I can do a safe in 15 min or less using a Henrob / Cobra torch IF i wanted to get something i Knew was a high value item.
BushMasterBoy
10-14-2015, 10:32
I would never put a container of black powder in the safe, because the safe would explode if it got torched...
PugnacAutMortem
10-14-2015, 10:43
I can do a safe in 15 min or less using a Henrob / Cobra torch IF i wanted to get something i Knew was a high value item.
I have a job for you then [Coffee]
crashdown
10-14-2015, 10:46
There is a great deal on a safe for sale right here on the forum....... just sayin.
There is a great deal on a safe for sale right here on the forum....... just sayin.
Yep. And I'm fairly certain there is a member here that specializes in moving them as well.
Portsider86
10-14-2015, 12:58
I figured he didn't have one. It was more a smart ass, unsympathetic comment.
It does suck that he was burglarized but I find it difficult to feel too bad for people whose firearms are stolen when they just have them in a closet or under a bed or whatever.
Or an unlocked safe. I know someone that only locks when they go on vacation. Apparently that's the only time a thief will break in.
I'm not too worried. Mrs HB is home 24/7 and would have no problem unloading on any unwelcome visitors to protect the baby HoneyBadgers. -with our CA compliant guns, of course ;)
But do you have your California Gun Safe yet?[Flower]
http://youtu.be/wypFgcqHyvc
HoneyBadger
10-14-2015, 13:44
But do you have your California Gun Safe yet?[Flower]
http://youtu.be/wypFgcqHyvc
Why would I need a gun safe? I don't own any guns! [Flower]
Less than 1/2 hr, if noise isn't a problem, would be my estimate.
I've seen a top of the line 7,000# safe done in under five minutes, silent, no torch, no noise by someone that made it look easier than having the combo. It really readjusted my confidence in safes. Best not to broadcast the things you own, and put the safe behind multiple locked doors out of view.
Safe's aren't perfect, but they are better than nothing.
XC700116
10-14-2015, 15:11
With the right equipment, I'd say so. Noise would be another factor but most people nowadays don't pay any attention.
I have access to equipment that will fit in a backpack that will get into pretty much any safe outside of a bank vault in minutes, not hours, and here's the kicker, anybody can buy it, and its less than $1k in value.
Point is safes, even really good ones are only as good as the theif is unprepared. Thankfully most thieves are pretty dumb and don't reinvest in their criminal career.
RonMexico
10-14-2015, 15:25
They must have been in there for a while. Gun safes are fairly difficult to get into.
Sorry for your friends loss.
I added cameras in my NC home bc most gun safes just buy you time. I spent a little more on a Liberty safe out there bc I'm defiantly not living in HR anymore and break-ins are a real possibility. Once day, I'll buy a $3k safe and stack my smaller safes inside.
I really need to pony up and buy a gun safe for my ammunition. I would almost hate to be left with all my guns and no ammo.....yes it's replaceable but even replacing 5k rounds of 22lr isn't that easy in today's market.
Grant H.
10-14-2015, 16:53
Is insurance going to cover anything? I recently found out that my homeowners only covers $2500 of firearms. I have a safe but, i'm definitely in the process of getting an umbrella policy.
Most home owners policies only cover $2-3000 worth of firearms without an addendum that requires Models, Serial Numbers, etc... It's a security conundrum. Do you put a list of your valuable items in someone else's care? Insurance documentation isn't kept very secure. Lots of people from lots of places might see them (Agent of record, other agents in the office, office staff, etc...) That's a lot of people that now know you have $X,000 of firearms and the address of where they are.
Otherwise, you don't have insurance on your firearms collection.
I can do a safe in 15 min or less using a Henrob / Cobra torch IF i wanted to get something i Knew was a high value item.
I'm not calling you out directly, but a properly rated TLTR-30 says you can't get into it in 15 minutes.
Real safes are expensive as crap, but they do a hell of job making it hard to get to stuff.
I've seen a top of the line 7,000# safe done in under five minutes, silent, no torch, no noise by someone that made it look easier than having the combo. It really readjusted my confidence in safes. Best not to broadcast the things you own, and put the safe behind multiple locked doors out of view.
Safe's aren't perfect, but they are better than nothing.
Again, not calling you out directly, but a properly rated TL/TLTR safe is tested by some of the best safe crackers in the world. If they can't get in in less than 15/30 minutes (depending on rating), I don't buy that some toolbag criminal is going to get into it in 5 minutes.
Barring a really REALLY shitty lock on a 7000# box, I would guess what you saw was rigged.
Grant H.
10-14-2015, 17:07
Sorry for your friends loss.
I added cameras in my NC home bc most gun safes just buy you time. I spent a little more on a Liberty safe out there bc I'm defiantly not living in HR anymore and break-ins are a real possibility. Once day, I'll buy a $3k safe and stack my smaller safes inside.
I really need to pony up and buy a gun safe for my ammunition. I would almost hate to be left with all my guns and no ammo.....yes it's replaceable but even replacing 5k rounds of 22lr isn't that easy in today's market.
This really starts to get at the heart of the issue.
Layers of security.
It sounds harsh, but make your neighbors the better target. Lots of ways to do it, and it works.
Barring a really REALLY shitty lock on a 7000# box, I would guess what you saw was rigged.
Well, I paid $400 to have it opened as it belonged to a deceased relative and we needed to get into it to find some important documents. The guy from the safe company said it could take anywhere from "a little while" to several hours. It took right around four minutes. I'm not suggesting the average snatch/grab burglar could do it, but this wasn't a residential security box as I'm guessing some readers are suspecting. "Rigged"? -not so much.
I takes me longer to get into my cabinet, and I have the key!
Grant H.
10-14-2015, 19:26
Well, I paid $400 to have it opened as it belonged to a deceased relative and we needed to get into it to find some important documents. The guy from the safe company said it could take anywhere from "a little while" to several hours. It took right around four minutes. I'm not suggesting the average snatch/grab burglar could do it, but this wasn't a residential security box as I'm guessing some readers are suspecting. "Rigged"? -not so much.
So no, not rigged, not if it was a relatives safe.
Curious about a few things:
1. Brand of Safe?
2. Brand of Combination Lock?
3. If not RSC, what was the UL rating of the safe?
UrbanWolf
10-14-2015, 19:41
Found the theft, turned out to be low life family member.
Grant H.
10-14-2015, 19:57
Found the theft, turned out to be low life family member.
Damn, that sucks.
I trust my brothers implicitly (except around my birthday... lol).
hunterhawk
10-14-2015, 23:30
is low life family member still alive?..... because damn....
Great-Kazoo
10-15-2015, 00:18
Most home owners policies only cover $2-3000 worth of firearms without an addendum that requires Models, Serial Numbers, etc... It's a security conundrum. Do you put a list of your valuable items in someone else's care? Insurance documentation isn't kept very secure. Lots of people from lots of places might see them (Agent of record, other agents in the office, office staff, etc...) That's a lot of people that now know you have $X,000 of firearms and the address of where they are.
Otherwise, you don't have insurance on your firearms collection.
I'm not calling you out directly, but a properly rated TLTR-30 says you can't get into it in 15 minutes.
Real safes are expensive as crap, but they do a hell of job making it hard to get to stuff.
Again, not calling you out directly, but a properly rated TL/TLTR safe is tested by some of the best safe crackers in the world. If they can't get in in less than 15/30 minutes (depending on rating), I don't buy that some toolbag criminal is going to get into it in 5 minutes.
Barring a really REALLY shitty lock on a 7000# box, I would guess what you saw was rigged.
A determined person[s] with the right tools can get in to anything. The time frame involved, that's a different story. In this case it was some skell family member.
The next question is. Will UW's friend ask for him to be prosecuted. Or will other family members, possibly him ask for leniency. Which is typical of an addicted family member.
For a RSC to get a UL Listing which costs a bunch of money, it only needs to withstand a 5 min TOOL attack. Now TL rated safes(commercial) have different testing due to different relocker systems, bolt work etc. but they can still be easily opened with the right equipment.
With that said, here's a 2' thick bank vault wall we core drilled just to get to the back side of the door to get it open because the time-lock was set with the door open and the bank employee thought it'd be a bright idea to just slam the door shut!! Bent the door frame and broke a lot of the bolt work....huge mistake!
http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq75/opie011/IMG_1886_zpsd5c1a812.jpg (http://s435.photobucket.com/user/opie011/media/IMG_1886_zpsd5c1a812.jpg.html)
HoneyBadger
10-15-2015, 09:12
For a RSC to get a UL Listing which costs a bunch of money, it only needs to withstand a 5 min TOOL attack. Now TL rated safes(commercial) have different testing due to different relocker systems, bolt work etc. but they can still be easily opened with the right equipment.
With that said, here's a 2' thick bank vault wall we core drilled just to get to the back side of the door to get it open because the time-lock was set with the door open and the bank employee thought it'd be a bright idea to just slam the door shut!! Bent the door frame and broke a lot of the bolt work....huge mistake!
http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq75/opie011/IMG_1886_zpsd5c1a812.jpg (http://s435.photobucket.com/user/opie011/media/IMG_1886_zpsd5c1a812.jpg.html)
Wow. How long did that take?
<MADDOG>
10-15-2015, 09:42
...Best not to broadcast the things you own, and put the safe behind multiple locked doors out of view.
This.
Security system, unfriendly dog, and safe bolted to the floor and walls in a small room with steel door, security hinges, deadbolt, and difficult wall access.
Nothing is 100% secure, but I sure as hell make it difficult with what I see as a "layered" defense.
And, I stopped taking pictures of my collection and posting them moons ago...I may have to assassinate the neighbor though; he knows its there [LOL]
Wow. How long did that take?
Took About 5.5hrs. to cut the hole. Had to change the bit once!
Took About 5.5hrs. to cut the hole. Had to change the bit once!
Should have let you borrow my Ryobi 18v drill. Could have that done in 30 minutes!
:p
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