View Full Version : LoL, Nice 9news article extolling the virtues of socialism...
http://www.9news.com/story/news/world/2015/10/14/5-things-other-countries-do-could-change-american-minds-socialism-global-post/73913300/
Bailey Guns
10-14-2015, 06:41
Typical liberal tactic. Glamorize it, lie about it, never mention it's ALWAYS failed for various reasons, de-stigmatize it, and pretty soon the perception will change. Mostly because people are generally apathetic...or stupid. Or both.
The other thing socialists don't tell the people is that their plans can only be implemented by force.
Capitalism is voluntary, socialism isn't.
Ok, here's a thought....stop sending hundreds of billions of dollars per year to other countries and in turn provide Americans with that list:
"Free Baby Stuff"
"More than a year of paid parental leave"
"Generous unemployment benefits"
"Free healthcare for everyone" and
"Long holidays (that are paid)".
If nothing else changed except for those benefits, is it still socialism or is it just better use of our money than giving it to Nations who predominately don't even like America and waste our money for us.
funkymonkey1111
10-14-2015, 11:03
i'm not really sure any of those items are "socialism"
funkymonkey1111
10-14-2015, 11:04
Ok, here's a thought....stop sending hundreds of billions of dollars per year to other countries and in turn provide Americans with that list:
"Free Baby Stuff"
"More than a year of paid parental leave"
"Generous unemployment benefits"
"Free healthcare for everyone" and
"Long holidays (that are paid)".
If nothing else changed except for those benefits, is it still socialism or is it just better use of our money than giving it to Nations who predominately don't even like America and waste our money for us.
borrowing hundreds of billions from the chicoms to then send to other countries.
borrowing hundreds of billions from the chicoms to then send to other countries.
Yup, as well as just pulling the money from thin air by way of QE/increased printing. The effect will eventually catch up with the cause...
i'm not really sure any of those items are "socialism"
You didn't say what you thought they were.
What if they had a socialism and nobody showed up?
Socialism from Investopedia - http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/socialism.asp
(http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/socialism.asp)
An economic and political system based on public or collective ownership of the means of production. Socialism emphasizes equality rather than achievement, and values workers by the amount of time they put in rather than by the amount of value they produce. It also makes individuals dependent on the state for everything from food to health care. China, Vietnam and Cuba are examples of modern-day socialist societies. Twentieth-century socialist governments were overthrown in Czechoslovakia, East Germany and the U.S.S.R.
Communism from Investopedia - http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/communism.asp
A political and economic ideology based on communal ownership and the absence of class. Communism, which can be thought of as capitalism's opposite, says that in a capitalist society, the working class (http://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/working-class.asp) (the proletariat) is exploited by the ruling class (the bourgeoisie).
While based on a Utopian ideal of equality and abundance, as expressed by the popular slogan, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need," communism in practice has only existed under authoritarian government and has been the source of millions of human rights violations and deaths.
The government can't give something to someone unless it took something away from someone else.
The government can't give something to someone unless it took something away from someone else.
...and that is perfectly fine with many, many people.
LOL! Article read like this:
"Here's all the free stuff and time off you could have!!"
Honestly I'd like to see how long the Eurozone could handle their current social programs if we pulled out of NATO. Let them pay for the full amount of their own defense and no more lease payments from us to have bases there. Germany would be in huge trouble really quick.
BPTactical
10-16-2015, 21:39
Socialism from Investopedia - http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/socialism.asp
(http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/socialism.asp)
Communism from Investopedia - http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/communism.asp
Kinda splittin hairs there ain't it?
Kinda splittin hairs there ain't it?
Yes they are.
(D) = socialist = communist ( nazism isn't too far away either ) WWII conflict b/t communism and nazism is like shia vs sunni vs shiite. They are all maggots.
BPTactical
10-17-2015, 07:47
Yes they are.
(D) = socialist = communist ( nazism isn't too far away either ) WWII conflict b/t communism and nazism is like shia vs sunni vs shiite. They are all maggots.
IIRC you ain't got much hair to split[Coffee]
IIRC you ain't got much hair to split[Coffee]
[LOL] nope
I can't believe, with all the data available, that I am seeing idiots running around with Sanders bumper stickers. Some people must be so envious of successful people that they are willing to vote for someone who will destroy the mechanisms of a successful economy in order to assuage their own sloth and ineptitude.
Makes me happy that I do not knowingly associate with liberals outside of work because the liberal is the single most deliberately vacuous organism on the planet.
blacklabel
10-17-2015, 08:30
LOL! Article read like this:
"Here's all the free stuff and time off you could have!!"
Sounds like a hell of a wish list.
Circuits
10-17-2015, 17:42
Nazism *was* just a form of socialism "National Socialist German Worker's Party".
Nazism *was* just a form of socialism "National Socialist German Worker's Party".
We know that but many, many other people either ignore it or don't know it. Part of the "available information" thing I was talking about.
Great-Kazoo
10-18-2015, 00:12
We know that but many, many other people either ignore it or don't know it. Part of the "available information" thing I was talking about.
It's called selective ignorance. They select which parts of anything they want or choose to ignore, like The Constitution.
Singlestack
10-18-2015, 07:10
Stupid people are easily persuaded to adopt and defend soft tyranny, which socialism is. They also don't see how soft tyranny paves the road to hard tyranny later. Jailed for "hate speech" - yup, thats part of that roadway...
So I broke down and read the article. It's important to note that each of these highlighted "features" of socialism are from a different country. That is probably by design to show how many countires (that we've all heard of) have socialistic traits. However, the big thing that stands out to me is that if this is such a great system, why don't all of those countries have all of those features?
Most of the people I talk to (or interact with on forums) who are in love with Sanders seem to think that all this wonderful stuff they want comes at the expense of someone else . . . "the 1%". The reality is, that's not the way it works in the countries that Sanders likes to trumpet. The better off may pay more, but those countries tax pretty much everybody and they tend to have VAT tax applied pretty broadly. There just isn't enough money that can be squeezed from "the rich" and corporations for the free stuff parade. Everyone, for all practical purposes--except the poor--would pay for it. With the middle class getting their fair share of the soaking.
BushMasterBoy
10-18-2015, 10:47
Stop fighting wars for the "investment class" i.e. Wall Street banks, $1.3 trillion on Iraq AND Afghanistan.
Quote from Smedley Butler, General, USMC...
"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."
Most of the people I talk to (or interact with on forums) who are in love with Sanders seem to think that all this wonderful stuff they want comes at the expense of someone else . . . "the 1%". The reality is, that's not the way it works in the countries that Sanders likes to trumpet. The better off may pay more, but those countries tax pretty much everybody and they tend to have VAT tax applied pretty broadly. There just isn't enough money that can be squeezed from "the rich" and corporations for the free stuff parade. Everyone, for all practical purposes--except the poor--would pay for it. With the middle class getting their fair share of the soaking.
I get the impression that many people don't think they'll be negatively impacted by socialism. They think the bad stuff will happen to somebody else, which tells you all need to know about them.
Sound familiar?
During the Hitler years—in order to finance the party’s programs, including the war expenditures—every social group in Germany was mercilessly exploited and drained. White-collar salaries and the earnings of small businessmen were deliberately held down by government controls, freezes, taxes. Big business was bled by taxes and “special contributions” of every kind, and strangled by the bureaucracy....At the same time the income of the farmers was held down, and there was a desperate flight to the cities—where the middle class, especially the small tradesmen, were soon in desperate straits, and where the workers were forced to labor at low wages for increasingly longer hours (up to 60 or more per week). But the Nazis defended their policies, and the country did not rebel; it accepted the Nazi argument. Selfish individuals may be unhappy, the Nazis said, but what we have established in Germany is the ideal system, socialism. In its Nazi usage this term is not restricted to a theory of economics; it is to be understood in a fundamental sense. “Socialism” for the Nazis denotes the principle of collectivism as such and its corollary, statism—in every field of human action, including but not limited to economics.
http://bastionofliberty.blogspot.com/2015/10/unacceptably-right.html
We who champion the free market, the restraint of Congress to its Constitutionally enumerated powers, and the elimination of the unaccountable regulatory bureaucracies are derided by a majority as “reactionaries,” often said to be “in the pay of robber barons,” and occasionally accused of “wanting to bring back slavery.” Yet every last groat of historical evidence is in our favor. We’re not wrong; we’re merely unacceptable. And because we’re right, the power elite must resort to lies, slander, vilification, and occasional outright coercion to prevent our case from being heard.
Talking with people I'm acquainted with who support Sanders, it's actually frightening how low-information they really are. Look at Denmark- the country the left loves to idolize without any actual knowledge to speak of. In Denmark, a moderately priced car here, say a Honda Accord, at about $28,000, thanks to the taxing in Denmark, costs closer to $50,000 there. And most over there don't have cars. Tax rates for the lower income folks is mid-40% range. The median tax rate there is 44%, 5th highest in the world, behind Germany (45%), Finland (46%) and Belgium (55%). That doesn't account for excessively high taxes on everything else... They have very high sales tax. Imagine paying 50% of your income to the government! The liberals who support Sanders don't realize that the top 1% won't be the only ones paying out the ear for all the free stuff. Everyone will be paying more. But they're okay with that, because the gubment will pay for everything, so who needs income? As they wave bye bye to nice things. Gman put it best, and really the only way to fully institute socialism in America is at gunpoint. Remember Russia in 1918...
Circuits
10-22-2015, 15:13
The liberals who support Sanders don't realize that the top 1% won't be the only ones paying out the ear for all the free stuff. Everyone will be paying more. But they're okay with that, because the gubment will pay for everything, so who needs income?
This.
If the "gubmint" took every dime of the '1%', and every dollar in profit of every corporation in America, it still wouldn't pay for the bread and circuses the Sanders supporters seem to think will be theirs for the asking. And no one would be working or producing anything at all above a subsistence level anymore, either.
But we'd all be hungry and poor and dirty (except the government workers and their apparatchiki, of course) equally, I guess.
This.
If the "gubmint" took every dime of the '1%', and every dollar in profit of every corporation in America, it still wouldn't pay for the bread and circuses the Sanders supporters seem to think will be theirs for the asking. And no one would be working or producing anything at all above a subsistence level anymore, either.
But we'd all be hungry and poor and dirty (except the government workers and their apparatchiki, of course) equally, I guess.
Yep. That's the key to socialism, it makes everyone equal, by dragging everyone down to the lowest common denominator. If anyone tells you that socialism brings everyone up to the same level, then by that logic we'd all have helicopters, yachts, and live in 50,000 square foot mansions. No society has ever taxed itself into prosperity. When there is no will to work for better wages, as in socialism we'd all make equal wages, then no one is prompted to work harder.
Yep. That's the key to socialism, it makes everyone equal, by dragging everyone down to the lowest common denominator. If anyone tells you that socialism brings everyone up to the same level, then by that logic we'd all have helicopters, yachts, and live in 50,000 square foot mansions. No society has ever taxed itself into prosperity. When there is no will to work for better wages, as in socialism we'd all make equal wages, then no one is prompted to work harder.
Yes! You're talking about incentive, ambition, and volunteerism, all are hallmarks of capitalism.
OldFogey
10-22-2015, 17:32
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money"
Margaret Thatcher
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