View Full Version : CCW holder ND's into his leg at the movies
ClangClang
10-20-2015, 00:44
http://www.kwch.com/news/local-news/salina-police-investigate-theater-shooting/35892080
Shortly after Kansas goes to Constitutional Carry, some yahoo goes and shoots himself. Be careful out there.
WTF did he do? I didn't see any explanation of what he did or how, only that "he shot himself in the leg". Was he coon-fingering his gun? I'd also like to know what kind of gun, striker-fired pistols make me nervous, I don't trust them.
Great-Kazoo
10-20-2015, 03:20
WTF did he do? I didn't see any explanation of what he did or how, only that "he shot himself in the leg". Was he coon-fingering his gun? I'd also like to know what kind of gun, striker-fired pistols make me nervous, I don't trust them.
Nothing is dangerous, IF you keep your finger off the trigger.
Most folks simply haven't put any amount of careful thought into a technique that is safe to use for carrying, drawing, and reholstering.
1. Guy was either pulling his gun out of or putting it back into his holster or pocket without some form of holster.
2. He had it out, dropped it and attempted to catch it.
3. He was pocket carrying and had items aside from his firearm in that same pocket.
4. Or he had the the world's slowest hang fire [Joking]
On a serious note if you have a gun on you in a theater, keep it there unless you absolutely need it out.
If you are carrying without a holster or a trigger guard cover slap yourself. (Got it you pocket carry your MasterBlaster 6000 with a 10 lb + double action trigger.) Which costs more? Killing, or injuring yourself or a couple of good holsters? If you must pocket trigger keep that pocket reserved for JUST THE GUN!
That rule about keeping your finger straight and off the trigger should also state and keep your digits firmly registered away from the trigger and trigger gaurd area. If I had a dollar for everytime someone pulled a handgun out of their holster /pocket/ carry device without a decent grip on the gun I would be in the Bahamas sipping a cold beverage for a very long time.
Lastly make sure your clothes and holster selection are conducive to drawing /reholstering. No drawstrings, excessively baggy clothing, or a holster in some God Awful hard to reach spot like a floppy shoulder holster, small of the bag, or obscene distance cross draw.
Bailey Guns
10-20-2015, 06:10
On a serious note if you have a gun on you in a theater, keep it there unless you absolutely need it out.
I'm thinking that's the safe and correct thing to do everywhere...not just in a theater.
At least there was some common sense on display in the theater:
Police said no evacuation was ordered because they treated the situation as a medical emergency.
That's rather refreshing.
hurley842002
10-20-2015, 08:16
striker-fired pistols make me nervous, I don't trust them.
If you don't trust striker fired pistols, then you don't trust yourself, as you and only you are the one that makes it go bang. Pretty simple...
Nothing is dangerous, IF you keep your finger off the trigger.
Didn't say they were dangerous, said I don't trust them.
If you don't trust striker fired pistols, then you don't trust yourself, as you and only you are the one that makes it go bang. Pretty simple...
They just bug me, if you like 'em that's fine. I don't, so sue me....
hurley842002
10-20-2015, 08:46
They just bug me, if you like 'em that's fine. I don't, so sue me....
If you don't like them, just say you don't like them, no need to blame your dislike on an unfounded distrust.
I trust firearm mechanics more than I do the human element.
1911 in condition 1 doesn't phase me nor do partially or fully cocked strikers.
When someone doesn't keep their booger hook off the bang switch...there's your problem.
Didn't say they were dangerous, said I don't trust them.
So that must mean you're terrified of condition 1?
O2
I really want to know more about this. Especially wondering which type of pistol it was.
I really want to know more about this. Especially wondering which type of pistol it was.
I bet it's one where the trigger has to be pulled before it can fire.
Treat a dropped gun like a dropped knife. GET OUT OF THE WAY AND LET IT FALL.
Update on Movie Theater Shooting (http://www.kwch.com/news/local-news/salina-police-investigate-theater-shooting/35892080)
Salina Police Captain Chris Trocheck said Cody Deneault was with his wife watching a movie, when he adjusted a handgun in his pants pocket, and it went off.
Sheesh. I guess a DeSantis Nemesis was just too expensive.
...or it was a chick flick and he couldn't take it any longer.
So that must mean you're terrified of condition 1?
O2
Not at all, that's how I carry my 1911's and BHP. The only way. But they have hammers and manual safeties, not spring loaded firing pins that I can't cock or decock, and no flippers on the triggers. I just find strikers spooky, don't care for them. For shooting, they're fine, but I don't want to carry one around.
HoneyBadger
10-20-2015, 09:22
I think its important to know what movie he was watching. Some movies make me want to shoot myself too.
ClangClang
10-20-2015, 11:21
I think its important to know what movie he was watching. Some movies make me want to shoot myself too.
If he was watching Sicario, it's understandable. That movie had me so on edge, I was an inch away from drawing my CCW and returning fire at the screen (kidding).
But if you haven't seen it yet.... GO. It's incredible. Highly, highly realistic firefights. Special Ops and all that.
If you don't trust striker fired pistols, then you don't trust yourself, as you and only you are the one that makes it go bang. Pretty simple...
Spot on
SouthPaw
10-20-2015, 11:31
I would not be surprised if he was playing with inside his holster/pocket and it went off.
...and it went off.
We need to stop using this terminology. "It" didn't go off, the trigger was pulled.
O2
At least he's the one that has to suffer the consequences of his negligence and nobody else was hurt.
THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T AVE NICE THINGS
spqrzilla
10-21-2015, 12:48
Don't coon finger it.
Pocket carry means 'just say no' to playing pocket pool.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/21/50373cfa9841efc51f133045e41b3497.jpg
Holster?! I dont need no stinking holster!!
I keep an extra mag in my pocket an extra round in my thigh.
Why does it look like he shot himself in a previous burn wound?
...and here we go...
"I'd say my biggest mistake here was probably I didn't have a holster," he said. "And that is on me, for sure."
Probably? Probably? You still have some learning to do.
Accidental shooter in Salina theater knows guns (http://www.kwch.com/news/local-news/accidental-shooter-in-salina-theater-knows-guns/35953350)
He knows one...intimately.
http://www.kwch.com/image/view/-/35954262/medRes/1/-/maxh/360/maxw/640/-/5nhavl/-/accidental-shooting-1-jpg.jpg
He says the accident was his fault, but is no indicator of his skill with handguns.
"You don't hear a Nascar driver called an idiot for crashing into a wall. It's one of those things. Accidents happen all over the world," Deneault said.
I don't question his skill, I question his judgment. At least NASCAR drivers understand the risks and do everything they can to mitigate the risk. They don't leave important safety equipment at home and race anyway. You were stupid and made a bad decision. This was not an "accident", it was negligence.
They don't leave important safety equipment at home and race anyway.
Well, Dale Earnhardt did.
Well, Dale Earnhardt did.
Not true. Also not funny.
Wasn't he the one who didn't want to wear the Hans device?
You'll have to excuse me if this is all incorrect info, as I've never followed NASCAR.
EDIT: I will apologize for being offensive, and do not offer up ignorance as an excuse for poor manners.
None of them wore the HANS at the time. He had all of the mandated safety equipment. There were many safety improvements following his death. The HANS device is secured by the seat belts. Earnhardt's seat belt actually tore and it's debatable that if he even had a HANS that it would have saved him.
The HANS devices available at the time made egress from the cars very difficult and was seen as more of a risk than not using it.
Thank you for educating me. I guess let's get back to making fun of this guy who lived.
GilpinGuy
10-22-2015, 00:24
Why does it look like he shot himself in a previous burn wound?
Prior to carrying a gun in his pocket he used to carry a bottle of acid in his pocket. With no lid, I should add.
HoneyBadger
10-22-2015, 08:45
Why does it look like he shot himself in a previous burn wound?
That is probably just tissue damage (bruising, necrosis) from the pressure created by the "point blank" gunshot.
That is probably just tissue damage (bruising, necrosis) from the pressure created by the "point blank" gunshot.
I'm of the opinion that the picture posted by MOLON LABE isn't actually of the individual in this case. His wound and x-ray is pictured in the last article that I linked.
I'm of the opinion that the picture posted by MOLON LABE isn't actually of the individual in this case. His wound and x-ray is pictured in the last article that I linked.
Indeed it isnt. It's a "stock" Google Image of "gunshot wound to the leg"
HoneyBadger
10-22-2015, 13:22
I'm of the opinion that the picture posted by MOLON LABE isn't actually of the individual in this case. His wound and x-ray is pictured in the last article that I linked.
Indeed it isnt. It's a "stock" Google Image of "gunshot wound to the leg"
I was looking at your picture, Gman (Post #27), but I don't know if we're talking about the same one. Either way, being shot is no fun.
If he was watching Sicario, it's understandable. That movie had me so on edge, I was an inch away from drawing my CCW and returning fire at the screen (kidding).
But if you haven't seen it yet.... GO. It's incredible. Highly, highly realistic firefights. Special Ops and all that.
I agree here. Helluva great flick, despite having "I made a mistake in becoming a US Citizen" Emily Blunt. She's a good actress, but she can Eff Off as a person.
I would not be surprised if he was playing with inside his holster/pocket and it went off.
This happens quite a bit. He stated in the original story that he had just got his 'conceal and carry' (I dislike that term), so I'm guessing he was very new to carrying and didn't do his due diligence to educate, practice, and practice some more until he was comfortable. It's one thing to be responsible and carry, but you have to carry responsibly.
I don't question his skill, I question his judgment. At least NASCAR drivers understand the risks and do everything they can to mitigate the risk. They don't leave important safety equipment at home and race anyway. You were stupid and made a bad decision. This was not an "accident", it was negligence.
Exactly! I'm reminded of that ATF agent that shot himself in the classroom. You can be a firearms owner for years and years, but the moment you become negligent and it causes injury to self or others, all that experience- for others looking at you- goes right out the window.
Universal truth: Stupid should be painful.
Fortunately, in this case it was not fatal, and hopefully the guy learned something.
Either way, being shot is no fun.
When you're shot and survive, the story isn't nearly as interesting when people hear that you did it to yourself. [LOL]
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