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Dave_L
10-22-2015, 19:23
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/21/1437048/-Ding-Colorado-Single-Payer-Health-Care-Will-Be-on-the-Ballot-in-2016


It's time for the people to vote on whether to join most of the rest of the economically-advanced countries of the world in providing health care as a right. Not as a complicated bureaucracy involving exchanges, Medicaid, Supreme Court decisions, large deductibles, subsidies, hard to navigate websites and incomprehensible insurance statements.Colorado is about to become the first state to hold that vote. Email I received just a few minutes ago sent to supporters of ColoradoCareYes (http://coloradocareyes.co/), a group who created Initiative #20, a ballot initiative that will initiate single-payer health care in Colorado, states



Well over 100,000 supporters from all over Colorado signed the petition to get ColoradoCare on the ballot, definitively eclipsing the 98,492 necessary signatures we need to succeed. Thanks to the incredible work of nearly 600 volunteer petition carriers, ColoradoCare will make history when we deliver an ambulance full of petitions to the Colorado Secretary of State's office this Friday, October 23rd.I then spoke with Owen Perkins, the political director of ColoradoCareYes, as to whether they were confident that they had enough signatures to ensure that the measure would be on the ballot (insofar as "Well over 100,000" is a pretty vague descriptor, and some 150,000+ signatures would be needed given typical validation rates). He assured me that they would be turning in enough signatures that he was "confident" that it would qualify.So yeah! Double yeah!! No quadruple yeah!!!!
Advocates of single-payer watched as hopes were dashed in California years ago with vetoes and legislative inaction. Congress refused to even consider the idea as Obamacare was being crafted. Finally, we watched as Vermont enacted enabling legislation, then failed to follow through on it. Let us hope that in Colorado...
We don't get fooled again. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_SWP3qI7Rg)
They will be turning in the mass of signatures on Friday, and holding celebrations.


You need to be there when we celebrate this historic moment in time. Thanks to your support and effort, Colorado is poised to be the first state to offer all its residents a chance at universal health care, covering every Coloradan with high quality healthcare that saves some $5 billion over what we pay by putting a plan developed by Coloradans for Coloradans on the ballot in 2016. Like the territory of Wyoming leading the way in giving women the right to vote, like Massachusetts leading both the effort to set a minimum wage over 100 years ago and becoming the first state to legalize gay marriage just 11 years ago, so now Colorado is stepping up to take the lead on the effort to get universal health care at the state level, sparking a movement that will ultimately lead to a tipping point when the United States follows that lead -- and the precedent of every other industrialized country on the planet -- and makes universal health care available to all its residents. It starts here -- and it starts Friday!
Here are the events planned for Friday, October 23rd:
9:00 a.m. -- Denver -- deliver an ambulance full of petitions to The Secretary of State's office, at the 17th Avenue side of 700 Broadway.
9:30 a.m. -- Denver -- ColoradoCare rally and press conference at The Greek Amphitheater in Civic Center Park (1400 Bannock, by the City and County Building and across from the State Capitol) with speakers T.R. Reid (filmmaker and author of The Healing of America), Senator Irene Aguilar, Senator Jeanne Nicholson, Chip Bair (CEO of Beau Jo's), music, and more.
10:45 a.m. -- Fort Collins -- ColoradoCare rally and press conference at Oak Street Plaza, W. Oak St. in Fort Collins, 80524, with speakers Senator John Kefalas, Representative Joann Ginal, Representative Jeni Arndt, music and more.
2 p.m. -- Colorado Springs -- 1st Congregational Church, 20 E. Saint Vrain St. in Colorado Springs, 80903 with speakers Senator Irene Aguilar, Senator Jeanne Nicholson, music and more.
3 p.m. -- Grand Junction -- ColoradoCare rally and press conference at Mesa County Public Library, 443 North 6th St. in Grand Junction, 81501, with speakers T.R. Reid, Ivan Miller (Executive Director of ColoradoCareYES), music, and more.

BushMasterBoy
10-22-2015, 20:42
Isn't this politics? All we taxpayers need is more bureaucracy. Next we will be told, we can tax our way to prosperity!

Dave
10-22-2015, 20:50
Isn't this politics? All we taxpayers need is more bureaucracy. Next we will be told, we can tax our way to prosperity!

Bernie Sanders already is saying that.... and people ARE believing him.

Stevensje
10-22-2015, 21:05
Great, Colorado first for socialized medicine. Get in line for your prostate exam. They are FREE!

They are cutting all the docs out! The hospitals will get the payment from insurance and Medicare and distribute as they see fit.

T. B. Turner
10-22-2015, 21:09
Gotta be carful about government control in healthcare. It would be real easy for them to say something like having guns in your home in a safety hazard, so to keep healthcare costs down you cannot have guns in you home in order to qualify for coverage

Zundfolge
10-22-2015, 21:18
Well if this passes its time to leave Colorado for sure. I can't imagine that the people of Colorado are this stupid (but then again we have one of the easiest election systems to rig being all mail in so who knows).

XC700116
10-22-2015, 21:27
Well if this passes its time to leave Colorado for sure. I can't imagine that the people of Colorado are this stupid (but then again we have one of the easiest election systems to rig being all mail in so who knows).

Yeap, if that shit passes, I'll be out one way or the other.

SAnd
10-22-2015, 22:30
A link to the text of Initiative #20 "ColoradoCare_Full_Initiative"

http://coloradocareyes.co/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ColoradoCare_Full_Initiative.pdf (http://coloradocareyes.co/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ColoradoCare_Full_Initiative.pdf)

Bailey Guns
10-23-2015, 03:40
Don't worry...you can keep your doctor.

BPTactical
10-23-2015, 05:18
This state has become a cancer to this nation.

MAP
10-23-2015, 05:26
This was proposed a few tears ago. IIRC, the state income tax would nearly triple to pay for it.

Mike

Bailey Guns
10-23-2015, 06:13
Yeap, if that shit passes, I'll be out one way or the other.

Great... All you Colofornians better stay away from Idaho. Don't be bringing those crazy ideas up here!

[Coffee]

TEAMRICO
10-23-2015, 06:26
Idocolfornians......? Colidofornians....? Caloidioans...?

ZERO THEORY
10-23-2015, 06:33
https://bozeman.craigslist.org/search/hhh
https://wyoming.craigslist.org/search/hhh

Guess it's time to do some research in the upcoming months.

roberth
10-23-2015, 07:43
Vote NO.

Zundfolge
10-23-2015, 08:24
I find it odd that this has never made any mainstream news outlet ... I google the story and its mostly sites that make the Daily Kos look like a respectable and unbiased source for real Journalism. There's one brief mention on Denver Post and Durango Herald but the rest of the sites are sites like "occupydemocrats" and other way left sites.

Is the MSM ignoring it to prevent a backlash against it? Or does this really not have a snowball's chance in hell?


Look, if these loonies (and the pot heads) can get enough signatures to put this bovine scat on the ballot, why is it that us gun owners can't get our shit together to put a repeal of the stupid gun laws on the ballot?

thvigil11
10-23-2015, 08:30
Wasn't this the plan all along. Seems to be happening right on schedule. By next summer half the country should be in chaos. Just in time to elect more socialism to fix all our problems.

Remember when only conspiracy folks believed that the government was listening in on all our conversations?
Remember when only conspiracy folks believed the gov. was manipulating and tracking firearm sales?
Remember when only conspiracy folks believed ( i could go on, but you get the point.)

It really kinda sucks when the tin foil folks are proven right. Right now its still a kooky idea that they are seeking to crash the system and rebuild it into a socialist paradise. Still crazy to believe that what they would really love is the country to be in such chaos that they could just go ahead and suspend elections, (just for a little while). Imagine what conspiracy theory might be proven true next.

Remember kiddos "ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL. But some animals are just more equal than others."

[tinhat]

Ridge
10-23-2015, 09:46
This was proposed a few tears ago. IIRC, the state income tax would nearly triple to pay for it.

Mike

According to the text of the bill, income tax would be up to 2.1% (really only 1.2% in practice)

Skip
10-23-2015, 10:10
Great... All you Colofornians better stay away from Idaho. Don't be bringing those crazy ideas up here!

[Coffee]

So, what part of Idaho? ;)

The largest exchange carrier going tits up is a clear indication how solvent a public option would be. That was with federal funding. I can't imagine the taxes without federal funding. The Denver metro already has a high cost of living with housing and all.

When/if they put it on the ballot, I believe there is a law that forces them to disclose the projected costs. Not that they would tell the truth but the "against" interests have an opportunity to put numbers out there.

And this is happening as employees are getting notices of higher premium deductions and some companies are reducing benefits to avoid the dreaded Cadillac Tax.

So the net result of this is "pay more taxes and continue paying more for your own policy/deductible while getting less each year."

Zundfolge
10-23-2015, 10:15
Great... All you Colofornians better stay away from Idaho. Don't be bringing those crazy ideas up here!

[Coffee]

Well when we were looking to relocate away from Wichita, Boise was in the running along with Colorado Springs and Santa Fe ... we nixed Santa Fe because of high cost of living and too damn many libtards and we nixed Boise because of the 2 day drive every Thanksgiving to Wichita.

If we leave, Boise is high on the list (along with Rapid City SD and Salt Lake City UT)

Jim B
10-23-2015, 10:17
Look, if these loonies (and the pot heads) can get enough signatures to put this bovine scat on the ballot, why is it that us gun owners can't get our shit together to put a repeal of the stupid gun laws on the ballot?

Because Colorado has become a left wing state.

Gman
10-23-2015, 15:28
"You want free healthcare?"
"Yes."
"Here's your weed. Next!"

blacklabel
10-23-2015, 16:51
"You want free healthcare?"
"Yes."
"Here's your weed. Next!"

I saw this somewhere else and of the first questions would be if it would cover their medical marijuana needs.

I really need to find something in Wyoming.