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FORMER CONGRESSMAN: I’M QUITTING GOP (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/30/former-congressman-im-quitting-gop/)Tancredo was my Rep. for a number of years, and I must say, he's finally realizing what many of us conservatives have. The Republican party has become Democrat Lite. I found it to be an interesting read.
Great-Kazoo
10-31-2015, 08:31
FORMER CONGRESSMAN: I’M QUITTING GOP (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/30/former-congressman-im-quitting-gop/)
Tancredo was my Rep. for a number of years, and I must say, he's finally realizing what many of us conservatives have. The Republican party has become Democrat Lite. I found it to be an interesting read.
Ummm he's this done before.
HoneyBadger
10-31-2015, 09:07
I actually just came to L&P to post this exact article. His reasons are undeniable, but I still don't know what it's going to take for the "GOP" and its old fuddy members to see their own hypocrisy and broken promises. This has been discussed many times on this forum, and still, the party-line GOP supporters just refuse to acknowledge their betrayal at the hands of their own beloved party. "PARTY TRUMPS PERSON", right? [Dunno]
Bailey Guns
11-01-2015, 20:02
I don't dispute many in the republican party have betrayed party loyalists. No question. It's not a matter of being a party-line supporter. It's a matter of understanding that the party (of the big two) that most closely aligns with your beliefs is the party to support. I'm not going to get into it again why the party is more important than the individual person. If you don't get it by now, you never will. For proof it's the truth you need look no further than liberals. Satan/Hillary herself could be on the democrat ballot and liberals and leftists would rally around her and get her elected. And they also know they only need to control the white house or one house of congress to further their agenda or at least maintain the status quo. And they're winning the battles everywhere else, too.
Why? Because they don't give a rat's ass that their candidate isn't perfect and doesn't believe exactly like they do. All they care about is getting their person in power because that means control.
Conservatives on the other hand are their worst enemy. Because they worry about principles instead of winning. When conservatives don't get the candidate they like they piss and moan and stay home and don't vote and let the democrats take the election. Then they piss and moan more about how bad life sucks with democrats in power.
The best chance to change the party is to vote for the person you like in the primaries. That's the best anyone can do.
The system we have is the system we have whether any of you like it or not.
Thought this was a Ben "Knight Horse" Campbell thread. Nevermind.
milwaukeeshaker
11-02-2015, 08:43
NOT trying to start anything but.... if you vote Dem lite, you will get Dem lite, and as long as this continues nothing will change. Just sayin' :)
Great-Kazoo
11-02-2015, 09:07
Thought this was a Ben "Knight Horse" Campbell thread. Nevermind.
Ah yes the Old Flip Flopper himself. Buy a necklace or jewelry, anyone?
Aloha_Shooter
11-02-2015, 10:46
I used to like Tom Tancredo but I still blame him for Hickenlooper. The only way to win is to take over the state and national GOP as fragmenting the non-socialists will just keep letting the socialists win with <50% of the vote.
Zundfolge
11-02-2015, 14:15
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HoneyBadger
11-02-2015, 14:51
I used to like Tom Tancredo but I still blame him for Hickenlooper.
That seems kind of silly... Hickenlooper still had more votes than Tancredo and Maes combined. [Dunno]
Bailey Guns
11-02-2015, 17:43
NOT trying to start anything but.... if you vote Dem lite, you will get Dem lite, and as long as this continues nothing will change. Just sayin' :)
And if you vote democrat or any third party you'll get full-blown, unedited, liberal democrat. Just sayin'.
So it sounds like real conservatives are screwed no matter what, huh?
And let's face it. There are a HUGE number of dem-lite people right on this forum (and it's doubtful any will admit to it)...that believe in gay marriage, legalization of some drugs, being soft on illegal immigration and so forth (the socially liberal and libertarian types). Many of the self-described conservatives on this forum really don't seem to know what that term means.
And let's face it. There are a HUGE number of dem-lite people right on this forum (and it's doubtful any will admit to it)...that believe in gay marriage, legalization of some drugs, being soft on illegal immigration and so forth (the socially liberal and libertarian types). Many of the self-described conservatives on this forum really don't seem to know what that term means.
I've learned that there is no compromising with lefties. You can try and "meet them in the middle" on ideas but they'll only agree to their ideas. Otherwise, you're labeled as an ignorant bigot. Their idea of compromise is "We'll tell you how it'll be and you'll be happy with whatever we let you have.". They use emotion to sway people. They use guilt to make you feel bad for believing in what you do. Meanwhile, they laugh and poke and prod at everyone's expense that isn't on their side all the while, claiming to be "empathetic". It's a farce and I'm very tired of being labeled a bad/stupid person for having conservative beliefs.
milwaukeeshaker
11-02-2015, 18:02
Just for the record, myself, I'm proudly not in the Dem lite company. But I'm also NOT happy with the party that I've been in my whole life, the Repubs. They have the reins since the last election and NOTHING has changed, and nothing will.
Have you heard of "between a rock and a hard place", yeah, that's us.
And if you vote democrat or any third party you'll get full-blown, unedited, liberal democrat. Just sayin'.
So it sounds like real conservatives are screwed no matter what, huh?
And let's face it. There are a HUGE number of dem-lite people right on this forum (and it's doubtful any will admit to it)...that believe in gay marriage, legalization of some drugs, being soft on illegal immigration and so forth (the socially liberal and libertarian types). Many of the self-described conservatives on this forum really don't seem to know what that term means.
Bailey Guns
11-02-2015, 18:25
I've learned that there is no compromising with lefties. You can try and "meet them in the middle" on ideas but they'll only agree to their ideas. Otherwise, you're labeled as an ignorant bigot. Their idea of compromise is "We'll tell you how it'll be and you'll be happy with whatever we let you have.". They use emotion to sway people. They use guilt to make you feel bad for believing in what you do. Meanwhile, they laugh and poke and prod at everyone's expense that isn't on their side all the while, claiming to be "empathetic". It's a farce and I'm very tired of being labeled a bad/stupid person for having conservative beliefs.
Couldn't agree more. That's why I hate liberalism with a passion.
Bailey Guns
11-02-2015, 18:28
Just for the record, myself, I'm proudly not in the Dem lite company. But I'm also NOT happy with the party that I've been in my whole life, the Repubs. They have the reins since the last election and NOTHING has changed, and nothing will.
Have you heard of "between a rock and a hard place", yeah, that's us.
I'm not happy with the bulk of the republican party, either. I don't think I've ever said I am. But, in my opinion, it's a far better option than voting for any other party. I like your "rock/hard place" analogy far better than the "choice of evils" platitude I hear so often.
There are conservatives in the republican party that are trying to change things...even if only in baby steps. A few are even running for president.
And when stuck between a rock and a hard place, it's nice to have a firearm. That's why I vote the way I vote.
Once the candidates are chosen, you hold your nose and vote for the lesser of 2 evils.
HoneyBadger
11-03-2015, 10:02
And if you vote democrat or any third party you'll get full-blown, unedited, liberal democrat. Just sayin'.
So it sounds like real conservatives are screwed no matter what, huh?
And let's face it. There are a HUGE number of dem-lite people right on this forum (and it's doubtful any will admit to it)...that believe in gay marriage, legalization of some drugs, being soft on illegal immigration and so forth (the socially liberal and libertarian types). Many of the self-described conservatives on this forum really don't seem to know what that term means.
Lets be clear: Libertarian is NOT Dem-lite. Not even close. This is a fundamental flaw in the way many conservative people see the (L) party (Consequently, many progressives posit that the (L) party is GOP-lite).
Libertarians are the extreme opposite of liberalism. Libertarianism is about maximizing the liberty of the individual, while liberalism (or progressivism, or whatever they want to brand it as) is about maximizing the liberty of the state. The fact that some of the (D) party platform lines up with the (L) party platform is simply pandering by the (D) party to sway people who are not (L), but instead just somewhere between (D) and (R). The reason the GOP has lost so much support recently and the number of independents and libertarians is higher than ever before is because there is a freight-train full of evidence that the GOP also wants to maximize the liberty of the state (some of which Tancredo points out in his editorial).
This is why many times libertarians don't like "party-line" GOP supporters and make the simplistic argument that (D) and (R) are the same thing (or BUSH/OBAMA are the same). At the end of the day, both (D) and (R) are headed toward the same thing, but taking different routes to get there. (L) is trying to turn the train around. You can argue all you want that the GOP is trying to turn the train, but the evidence shows that your party has betrayed you. Go ahead and flame me if you wish, but continuing to deny the betrayal by the GOP isn't going to make the mountain of evidence disappear.
Can someone tell me the difference between Bernie's platform of "We're tired of mainstay politics" and the drum the libertarians have been beating? I find it humorous that all these "democrats" are so pro-Bernie but never even thought twice about a libertarian candidate. Isn't that the big idea behind libertarians? That's how I know the Bernie movement is a sham. We've had this idea that the 2 party system is rigged yet only when it's on a socialist platform, do they get behind it.
...and while everybody right-of-center constantly bickers amongst themselves, everybody left-of-center marches us to socialism. Democrates and Republicans are coalitions of many different parties and sub-groups. You might not like everybody in your coalition, but you won't accomplish shit on your own. The Republican coalition is broken because everybody in it can't (WON'T) compromise in order to defeat the left.
...and while everybody right-of-center constantly bickers amongst themselves, everybody left-of-center marches us to socialism. Democrates and Republicans are coalitions of many different parties and sub-groups. You might not like everybody in your coalition, but you won't accomplish shit on your own. The Republican coalition is broken because everybody in it can't (WON'T) compromise in order to defeat the left.
True!! The right-of-center kills itself following "the perfect is the enemy of the good".
HoneyBadger
11-03-2015, 12:05
Can someone tell me the difference between Bernie's platform of "We're tired of mainstay politics" and the drum the libertarians have been beating?
Um yeah. Everything. Literally everything is different. Bernie wants the state to have maximum power. Libertarians want the individual to have maximum power (while still having a functional and constitutionally-consistent government).
Um yeah. Everything. Literally everything is different. Bernie wants the state to have maximum power. Libertarians want the individual to have maximum power (while still having a functional and constitutionally-consistent government).
I was being mildly sarcastic. Libertarians have been screaming for this for a while. But now that Bernie is saying it, it's gaining major traction. Just funny to me, thats all. Probably because Bernie's idea comes with Santa Claus.
HoneyBadger
11-03-2015, 12:35
I was being mildly sarcastic. Libertarians have been screaming for this for a while. But now that Bernie is saying it, it's gaining major traction. Just funny to me, thats all. Probably because Bernie's idea comes with Santa Claus.
Whoops. Need the [Sarcasm2]
Can someone tell me the difference between Bernie's platform of "We're tired of mainstay politics" and the drum the libertarians have been beating? I find it humorous that all these "democrats" are so pro-Bernie but never even thought twice about a libertarian candidate. Isn't that the big idea behind libertarians? That's how I know the Bernie movement is a sham. We've had this idea that the 2 party system is rigged yet only when it's on a socialist platform, do they get behind it.
Ummm.. Libertarians believe in private property rights - Socialists don't.
Anyone trying to show Libertarians and Socialists as the same is utterly ignorant.
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