View Full Version : Did every single tax increase in the state pass yesterday?
Watching the crawl on the bottom of the TV it seemed that way.
No, there's one, the college scholarship tax didn't pass.
The sheeple have spoken, the government makes better use of their money than they can.
-every tax measure in Boulder passed this time. And last time. And next time.
The only one I had any input on (Douglas county) was the pot sales tax surplus. I said give it back but was outvoted.
At first I thought maybe people were being dense. But then I wondered if voters hate the pot people so much they'd rather let the state spend it than give it back.
Liberals won big last night. Douglas and JeffCo school boards are going back to Dem/teacher's union control. In Douglas we had about 25% turn out county-wide. I'm not sure if Conservatives didn't want to pay the stamp to vote or what. Libs sure got out the vote.
Douglas really surprises me... The same group that got our voucher program taken away was just rewarded. I know a few non-political types who were really upset about losing vouchers.
The only one I had any input on (Douglas county) was the pot sales tax surplus. I said give it back but was outvoted.
At first I thought maybe people were being dense. But then I wondered if voters hate the pot people so much they'd rather let the state spend it than give it back.
Liberals won big last night. Douglas and JeffCo school boards are going back to Dem/teacher's union control. In Douglas we had about 25% turn out county-wide. I'm not sure if Conservatives didn't want to pay the stamp to vote or what. Libs sure got out the vote.
Douglas really surprises me... The same group that got our voucher program taken away was just rewarded. I know a few non-political types who were really upset about losing vouchers.
I voted opposite of you on this one. The few bucks back wasn't worth it in my mind and I just don't care if the potheads get some money back or not.
locally the teachers really pushed 3c and I ended up voting for it due to the fact I know Brighton high school is terribly overcrowded, and mostly for selfish reasons because when we move I want my kids at a nice new elementary with good kids, not where they would have to go right now where they probably be in the minority of kids who don't speak Spanish.
Many of those who vote for raising taxes, or letting the govt keep taxes, don't pay any taxes. So, what do they care?
It's been over for some time now.
I voted opposite of you on this one. The few bucks back wasn't worth it in my mind and I just don't care if the potheads get some money back or not.
locally the teachers really pushed 3c and I ended up voting for it due to the fact I know Brighton high school is terribly overcrowded, and mostly for selfish reasons because when we move I want my kids at a nice new elementary with good kids, not where they would have to go right now where they probably be in the minority of kids who don't speak Spanish.
It's not about the paltry -$8 per person refund. It's not about the pot people. It's about not giving the already fiscally inefficient .gov an additional $66 million to waste.
A yes vote on BB is essentially a yes vote on more, bigger .gov.
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PugnacAutMortem
11-04-2015, 09:43
It's not about the paltry -$8 per person refund. It's not about the pot people. It's about not giving the already fiscally inefficient .gov an additional $66 million to waste.
A yes vote on BB is essentially a yes vote on more, bigger .gov.
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What do you care if a fiscally inefficient .gov wastes a bunch of money collected directly from the "pot people"? If you don't buy pot that isn't any of your money in the 1st place, so who cares if they put a solid gold bathroom in Hick's office with that money? The chances of them wasting all of that money is slim to none, so at least some of that money will go to something useful.
It's not about the paltry -$8 per person refund. It's not about the pot people. It's about not giving the already fiscally inefficient .gov an additional $66 million to waste.
A yes vote on BB is essentially a yes vote on more, bigger .gov.
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I didn't care about how much money I got back or how much it cost to send my money back to me. I cared about the principle, the principle being that money belongs to the citizens and voting yes on BB affirms the govenment's idea that all money belongs to the government.
clodhopper
11-04-2015, 09:45
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HoneyBadger
11-04-2015, 09:52
My understanding is that Douglas county had some major political problems with the school board.. and some legitimately bad people causing problems for real educators. It seemed to me like the DougCo school board going back to the left was inevitable because of how badly the last one messed it up. This understanding comes from my in-laws who live in Parker and are right of center on most things, but admittedly, my single source of news is a single point of failure.
What do you care if a fiscally inefficient .gov wastes a bunch of money collected directly from the "pot people"? If you don't buy pot that isn't any of your money in the 1st place, so who cares if they put a solid gold bathroom in Hick's office with that money? The chances of them wasting all of that money is slim to none, so at least some of that money will go to something useful.
So you're okay with empowering bigger govt?
You're okay with govt wasting money?
When the "extra" revenue dries up, where do you suppose the funding will come from for the "something useful" it created?
And it will essentially dry up, because now it is no longer "extra revenue", and it won't be long before they will be asking for more/new tax increases to sustain all the new programs.
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I didn't care about how much money I got back or how much it cost to send my money back to me. I cared about the principle, the principle being that money belongs to the citizens and voting yes on BB affirms the govenment's idea that all money belongs to the government.
Thank you roberth. Your statement is exactly in line with my point, but more succinct.
I was really surprised that the DC board vote went that way. But the whole state is moving left . . . and DC isn't as conservative as it used to be. But sounds like the "get out the vote" effort for progressives down here was a lot more intense than the conservative side. The one thing I wasn't sure about is whether there is still a conservative majority on the DC board? It was only 3 seats that went left last night.
On the pot vote . . . my wife and I voted to give it back on principle. I think a lot of people probably just went with the "what do I care--it's pot tax money?" position and voted to let the schools (largely) have it. Part of me agrees with that and doesn't much care if the potheads fund the schools a bit more. But with the waste in govt it just rewards them to keep flushing cash down the crapper.
What do you care if a fiscally inefficient .gov wastes a bunch of money collected directly from the "pot people"?
Or maybe the:
-gun people
-farm people
-oil people
-retired people
-golf people
-restaurant people
-micro brewery people
-etc
Some people like increasing the size of government and increasing taxation at every opportunity.
Some of us don't.
The money will go to the schools but it won't be applied to the students, the money will be applied to growing the administration and the next round of promoting increased taxes "for schools".
Just another reason to get that money back in the hands of the citizenry.
My understanding is that Douglas county had some major political problems with the school board.. and some legitimately bad people causing problems for real educators. It seemed to me like the DougCo school board going back to the left was inevitable because of how badly the last one messed it up. This understanding comes from my in-laws who live in Parker and are right of center on most things, but admittedly, my single source of news is a single point of failure.
We had some propaganda problems for sure. The media put a microscope over DougCo schools making everything a scandal. Some teachers left because they didn't like the performance standards.
The Dems/union had been trying to wrestle control back for the last two elections. That's what it comes down to and nothing more.
Now that they control the board, they control education, which is very important to advance the Liberal cause/values.
The money will go to the schools but it won't be applied to the students, the money will be applied to growing the administration and the next round of promoting increased taxes "for schools".
Just another reason to get that money back in the hands of the citizenry.
It's the drug of choice for big gov. Once they start, they can't stop.
kidicarus13
11-04-2015, 11:08
It's been over for some time now.
61915
But with the waste in govt it just rewards them to keep flushing cash down the crapper.
I'll refrain from typing my own responses in order to keep my blood pressure in check.
Great-Kazoo
11-04-2015, 11:14
What do you care if a fiscally inefficient .gov wastes a bunch of money collected directly from the "pot people"? If you don't buy pot that isn't any of your money in the 1st place, so who cares if they put a solid gold bathroom in Hick's office with that money? The chances of them wasting all of that money is slim to none, so at least some of that money will go to something useful.
I care since the .gov deserves NO EXTRA MONIES for anything other than the people it belongs to. IF you truly believe so at least some of that money will go to something useful.
You're part of the PROBLEM.
Has anyone seen improvements on our roadways since that FEE was tacked on to vehicle registration?? Cleaner air / skies, since Emissions were forced on us??
PugnacAutMortem
11-04-2015, 11:22
Or maybe the:
-gun people
-farm people
-oil people
-retired people
-golf people
-restaurant people
-micro brewery people
-etc
Some people like increasing the size of government and increasing taxation at every opportunity.
Some of us don't.
If you aren't buying pot, it's not your money that is sitting in that $66 million. If you are buying pot then I understand caring about how that money is spent, because it's your money. If it's not your money, then what do you care how it's spent? Not your money, not your business.
PugnacAutMortem
11-04-2015, 11:27
I care since the .gov deserves NO EXTRA MONIES for anything other than the people it belongs to. IF you truly believe so at least some of that money will go to something useful.
You're part of the PROBLEM.
Has anyone seen improvements on our roadways since that FEE was tacked on to vehicle registration?? Cleaner air / skies, since Emissions were forced on us??
I'm not going to assume how you voted on the recreational bill that passed, however I can say if you voted against it, I understand your position. I think you are mistaken, but I get where you are coming from.
At first they came for the pot heads and I did nothing since I am not a pot head.....
Yeah, I hate that CO is turning into CA.
I think we all should be concerned about how ALL tax money is being spent, not just what part is "yours". As if you can even tell which dollar is yours once it goes into the ever-growing pot (no pun intended).
If you aren't buying pot, it's not your money that is sitting in that $66 million. If you are buying pot then I understand caring about how that money is spent, because it's your money. If it's not your money, then what do you care how it's spent? Not your money, not your business.
It's not POT MONEY, it's TAX REVENUE. Therefore, it is, in essence, every TAXPAYER's money. You should, indeed, be concerned about where this money goes, as it IS your money.
All of the money in the good ol' USA is the property of the citizens and others. The government does not create money, all the money that the government has was taken from people who worked for that money.
This also includes monies created by the Federal Reserve and loaned to the government. The Fed is nominally a private organization so that money isn't created by the Federal Government either. We could argue that the Treasury Notes which FedGov creates are money but they aren't because the gains from printing Treasuries aren't realized until the Treasury Note is exchanged for dollars with the FedRes. It is a fine line but a line nonetheless. A Treasury Note held by the government is no more than shit paper, it gains value when the FedRes affirms that it has value by exchanging that shit paper for dollars.
I work for corporate America, when i receive my check the first thing i notice is that the government confiscated its share before I saw one red cent. That is all you need to know about how the government views you and your labor.
The way I understood it was that it is pot tax that was over taxed, so that money should have all went back to the tax shops and pot purchasers. I don't buy the stuff, so none of it was my tax money in the first place. Why should I get any money back from something I never put money into...seems kinda like welfare BS to me. Granted the amount was very small, and had it been much larger I would have been greedy and voted to take a check, which would have been like the welfare mongers do daily, but I would have justified it in my mind that it was due to me for all the other wrongs and stealing the government has done to me by taking my money and giving it to worthless folks.
but because the amount was so small, and I had a small hope the money might actually go to do some good, and I wanted to get back at the potheads for pissing on my gun rights costing me more money for transfers and BS laws, it was a childish move but one I am comfortable with. In the end I won't miss the small amount of money, the potheads will or have forgot about it, the pot businesses got hosed a bit, but hopefully that money will help actually do good preventing drug abuse and schools. I doubt it, but we will see.
PugnacAutMortem
11-04-2015, 12:37
It's not POT MONEY, it's TAX REVENUE. Therefore, it is, in essence, every TAXPAYER's money. You should, indeed, be concerned about where this money goes, as it IS your money.
I understand what you're saying, however it's tax revenue from the sale of one item specifically allocated. That's the difference from income/sales/property taxes. The first $40 million of tax revenue goes to a public school construction fund and then the remaining money was to be decided on with the ballot issue. If the money went into the pool of all other taxes then yes I would agree with you, but since this is completely separate then it's a different issue.
The way I understood it was that it is pot tax that was over taxed, so that money should have all went back to the tax shops and pot purchasers. I don't buy the stuff, so none of it was my tax money in the first place. Why should I get any money back from something I never put money into...seems kinda like welfare BS to me. Granted the amount was very small, and had it been much larger I would have been greedy and voted to take a check, which would have been like the welfare mongers do daily, but I would have justified it in my mind that it was due to me for all the other wrongs and stealing the government has done to me by taking my money and giving it to worthless folks.
but because the amount was so small, and I had a small hope the money might actually go to do some good, and I wanted to get back at the potheads for pissing on my gun rights costing me more money for transfers and BS laws, it was a childish move but one I am comfortable with. In the end I won't miss the small amount of money, the potheads will or have forgot about it, the pot businesses got hosed a bit, but hopefully that money will help actually do good preventing drug abuse and schools. I doubt it, but we will see.
That money belonged to the potheads and it should have been returned to them.
When your business is overtaxed will you vote to let the government keep it or will you want it back?
You can't make the argument of "it's not your money, so you shouldn't care," when the money is being turned over to the state, which is in the same position of "it's not your money." What claim dies the state have for that tax revenue? None.
Wasn't 25M of that money to be returned to all taxpayers who file 2015 taxes? I know they kept referring to it as the marijuana tax, but was that just a clever way to sell it.
GunsRBadMMMMKay
11-04-2015, 13:03
How can you say that the tax solely belongs to the pot crowd ...............all other taxes taken are largely spent on and refunded to those who pay little to none into the cash pot but that's ok right? It is tax money, generated by commercial actions within the state - actions that whether you like it or not affect every single person living in this state. So it should have been refunded to all, and if little big brother wants to spend it on pet projects they need to put said projects on the table for approval by the populace and plan it in for next year, not just say trust us and give us their word that it will be used for something good while greedily eyeing that stack of cash that's probably already spent. They talk about schools, yet they underpay teachers and churn out ignorant criminals and wards of the state.........roads and infrastructure look like they are failing to me ..........seems like real law and safety issues are being cut back while propaganda and new agendas are forced forward......I have to wonder where this short bus is heading.
I understand what you're saying, however it's tax revenue from the sale of one item specifically allocated. That's the difference from income/sales/property taxes. The first $40 million of tax revenue goes to a public school construction fund and then the remaining money was to be decided on with the ballot issue. If the money went into the pool of all other taxes then yes I would agree with you, but since this is completely separate then it's a different issue.
First $40m - schools construction
next $12m - youth and treatment programs
final $14.1m - SURPRISE!! discretionary fund controlled by lawmakers. Look around and see if you can find my shocked face.
That money belonged to the potheads and it should have been returned to them.
When your business is overtaxed will you vote to let the government keep it or will you want it back?
I agree, but instead the ballot wanted to completely spread the wealth to every person. Instead it should have went to the people who bought the pot, which I'm guessing also included several out of state people, which would be near impossible to find out who they are.
and of course not, I would want it back, and I'm sure the pot businesses wanted it. but the way it was written is why I voted the way I did.
I agree, but instead the ballot wanted to completely spread the wealth to every person. Instead it should have went to the people who bought the pot, which I'm guessing also included several out of state people, which would be near impossible to find out who they are.
and of course not, I would want it back, and I'm sure the pot businesses wanted it. but the way it was written is why I voted the way I did.
I understand and thanks for being patient with me.
You can't make the argument of "it's not your money, so you shouldn't care," when the money is being turned over to the state, which is in the same position of "it's not your money." What claim dies the state have for that tax revenue? None.
I look at it as a direct correlation from where that $1 was spent. For example:
pot out head spends $100 at pot shop. $10% of that is sales tax. $10 goes to gov. Pot shop pays another 20% in income tax. Their money which goes to profit, employees, overhead etc. is 70% of total cost. They get $70.
In reality, they were overtaxed, so the person spending the money, the pot head, should have spent $90 for that same pot. 3% was overcharged as sales tax, 7% was overcharged to the pot shop as income tax. That same portion should be returned to the pothead/pot shop. In reality, the pot shop might have charged the same price and pocked the extra profit, or they might have charged less allowing the pothead to either save $$ or buy more.
in the end, not $1 of that money came from me directly, so why should I get any of it back in the form of a refund or tax break? The question was would I rather get $$ that wasn't mine, or give a large portion of it to build schools, have drug programs (needed thanks to the added availability of drugs) and another smaller portion pissed away by the .gov.
i agree the state didn't have a claim for that tax revenue, and it should have been given back to the pot businesses and potheads, but that wasn't the way the bill was written.
I understand and thanks for being patient with me.
[Beer]
GunsRBadMMMMKay
11-04-2015, 13:35
In reality, they were overtaxed
As are we all...........what is the acceptable tax range then?
I watched a Crack head steal my neighbor's bike but I didn't say anything because I hoped a small portion of that stolen bike money would go toward rehab. That's what happened in this state yesterday.
I watched a Crack head steal my neighbor's bike but I didn't say anything because I hoped a small portion of that stolen bike money would go toward rehab.
Do you want a merit badge or something for your good deed?
Great-Kazoo
11-04-2015, 13:44
I watched a Crack head steal my neighbor's bike but I didn't say anything because I hoped a small portion of that stolen bike money would go toward rehab. That's what happened in this state yesterday.
[ROFL2]How True
We all vote how we vote, and that's the reality. I've made several votes I look back on with regret. If you voted out of self interest (who doesn't?) Or out of spite (who doesn't? ), that's fine; let's just not try to justify it with false logic.
I vote NO on taxes because I HATE children, puppies and kittens.
I watched a Crack head steal my neighbor's bike but I didn't say anything because I hoped a small portion of that stolen bike money would go toward rehab. That's what happened in this state yesterday.
You could have shot that crack head. It is a little harder to shoot the whole government.
As are we all...........what is the acceptable tax range then?
No tax would be ideal, but I'm guessing that won't work....so, Personally id prefer a flat tax, or just no income tax at all and go to a sales tax only model. The more you buy the more you pay. Our current system is so convoluted the tax breaks, tax credits, write offs, etc are a joke. For years I overpaid taxes just to have the .gov sit on it and then I had to prove why I should get a portion of it back. Now I am trying to be the one sitting on my own money but I am still forced to jusitfy why I kept that money and why I should get a little back or pay even more....and do it in time to not get a fee!
I vote NO on taxes because I HATE children, puppies and kittens.
I understand the kittens and children, but....puppies! [ROFL1]
clodhopper
11-04-2015, 14:13
No tax would be ideal, but I'm guessing that won't work....so, Personally id prefer a flat tax, or just no income tax at all and go to a sales tax only model. The more you buy the more you pay. Our current system is so convoluted the tax breaks, tax credits, write offs, etc are a joke. For years I overpaid taxes just to have the .gov sit on it and then I had to prove why I should get a portion of it back. Now I am trying to be the one sitting on my own money but I am still forced to jusitfy why I kept that money and why I should get a little back or pay even more....and do it in time to not get a fee!
Just ask a Sovereign Citizen for the "password", then you can avoid all that headache next year.
Just ask a Sovereign Citizen for the "password", then you can avoid all that headache next year.
Lol, the only guy I know of that has tested that in my industry in still in prison.
ANADRILL
11-04-2015, 14:25
[ROFL2]How True
Yep
It's not about the paltry -$8 per person refund. It's not about the pot people. It's about not giving the already fiscally inefficient .gov an additional $66 million to waste.
A yes vote on BB is essentially a yes vote on more, bigger .gov.
Hey, here's someone that 'gets it'. More money = more government = less freedom.
We've just green-lighted the government to understate expected revenues going forward. Any overages will be 'free money' to do with however they like. Might as well just convert TABOR to toilet paper and put it next to the roll formerly known as the Constitution.
As far as the dollars all belonging to the pot consumers, it's not just the consumers that were impacted by legalizing pot at the state level while it's still illegal at the federal level.
I'm afraid this state is lost, as is the rest of the country, due to large metro areas dictating the way it is to everyone else. States rights have also been usurped by the Feds.
Bailey Guns
11-04-2015, 15:25
If you aren't buying pot, it's not your money that is sitting in that $66 million. If you are buying pot then I understand caring about how that money is spent, because it's your money. If it's not your money, then what do you care how it's spent? Not your money, not your business.
This is exactly the type of logic(?) and reasoning(?) that put us in the fiscal mess we're in today. Talk about not getting it.
Bailey Guns
11-04-2015, 15:27
Colorado seems to have bucked the trend nationally. Conservatives had a HUGE day in the rest of the country. Even the one's that didn't hide their religion and other beliefs that are supposedly guaranteed to lose elections.
Yesterday was, once again, a perfect illustration of how conservatism wins.
Colorado seems to have bucked the trend nationally. Conservatives had a HUGE day in the rest of the country. Even the one's that didn't hide their religion and other beliefs that are supposedly guaranteed to lose elections.
Yesterday was, once again, a perfect illustration of how conservatism wins.
I'd really like to know the story in DougCo. We've fought off the Dem/teacher's union three times in a row (IIRC). 82k ballots cast on the school board candidates. 225K registered voters (104K of those Republicans).
What happened?
Links...
http://www.douglas.co.us/elections/
http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/CO/Douglas/56820/156868/Web01/en/summary.html
Citizens just did not care enuf to fill out and drop off their ballots. This should have never happened.
Missed the argument a few pages back...
All public money is fungible. Always has been/always will be. That's a problem in and of itself for various reasons but probably another thread.
Back in the day when we got sales tax rebates they were flat amounts based on household head counts (not dollars). The rebate had no relationship to how much in sales taxes you paid in the year. It was arbitrary and should be required.
Citizens just did not care enuf to fill out and drop off their ballots. This should have never happened.
It's a stamp! 30 seconds to fill out the ballot. Maybe 5-10 minutes of research on candidates.
15 minutes + $0.49!!! (not mad at you)
Calculated
11-04-2015, 16:19
If you aren't buying pot, it's not your money that is sitting in that $66 million. If you are buying pot then I understand caring about how that money is spent, because it's your money. If it's not your money, then what do you care how it's spent? Not your money, not your business.
I'm not trying to pick on you, but I'm not getting anything special versus the renter's that aren't paying shit compared to what I'm paying in property taxes etc towards my county. We all drive on the same roads, our kids go to the same schools. Does that mean that people riding bicycles or driving electric cars shouldn't get to drive on public roads because they aren't paying fuel taxes? (I wouldn't mind no bicycles haha) Its our tax money. No matter how it gets put in to the pool. We should all reap all the rewards of our tax money.
There should be transparency, any registered voter should be able to physically count the ballots for any voting since it's "OUR" votes. Obviously black out the names or whatever, but why not?
Edit: I'd be willing to bet a large portion of potheads are renters...
It's a stamp! 30 seconds to fill out the ballot. Maybe 5-10 minutes of research on candidates.
15 minutes + $0.49!!! (not mad at you)
Didn't even cost me stamps. Swung by the DCSO substation and dropped off 4 ballots. And no, I didn't vote 4 times.
Funny you bring up bicycles. at least electric cars are registered and do pay taxes and road and bridge fees. Bikes do not and I think that needs to change if they want to ride on the same roads as automobiles.
Didn't even cost me stamps. Swung by the DCSO substation and dropped off 4 ballots. And no, I didn't vote 4 times.
Exactly! You know what's worth.
Next time I may have to drop mine off to make sure it gets there.
Kraven251
11-04-2015, 16:33
Sales tax increase failed in Parker, which made me happy.
As are we all...........what is the acceptable tax range then?
Better stated: What is the level of theft you are willing to agree to? If the gov't takes 100% of your income, is that theft? If only 80%? What if its only 50%? Or maybe only 3%? At what point specifically are you agreeing to be robbed at gunpoint/under threat?
I'd really like to know the story in DougCo. We've fought off the Dem/teacher's union three times in a row (IIRC). 82k ballots cast on the school board candidates. 225K registered voters (104K of those Republicans).
What happened?
Links...
http://www.douglas.co.us/elections/
http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/CO/Douglas/56820/156868/Web01/en/summary.html
The anti-union people (incumbents) didn't spend any money, while the pro-union folks spent money like the fools they are. I probably got 20-30 pieces of mail in favor of the pro-union candidates, at least 5 phone calls, and multiple people coming door-to-door - not to mention the various cars driving around town....
The incumbents - I got one mailing, which had pictures of their competition on it. Very strange.
Didn't even cost me stamps. Swung by the DCSO substation and dropped off...
We did the same. Added about a minute to our morning commute. Didn't even have to get out of the car.
PugnacAutMortem
11-04-2015, 17:23
This is exactly the type of logic(?) and reasoning(?) that put us in the fiscal mess we're in today. Talk about not getting it.
I think we just have fundamental differences in beliefs. I remember some of our exchanges in my thread I started awhile back in the politics forum about being libertarian. We just come from different schools of thought.
But look on the bright side, not only is it not your money we're talking about...it's not even your ballot issue to vote on anymore. So cue up "Celebrate" by KC and the Sunshine Band because you don't need to deal with this kind of stuff anymore where you live
[Beer]
Isn't Idaho a deeper shade of red than Utah?
Martinjmpr
11-04-2015, 17:47
It's an off - year election. In an off year election, most of the people who vote are people who have an interest in the outcome. Joe and Jane Q Public don't much care and probably dropped their ballot in the recycle bin or forgot about it.
Great-Kazoo
11-04-2015, 18:00
This is exactly the type of logic(?) and reasoning(?) that put us in the fiscal mess we're in today. Talk about not getting it.
Of course some "DON'T GET IT" It's why i get responses like this.
Nothing like bashing forum members for a class act!
When i call some forum members SJW's (social justice warriors, for the uninformed) because there are bleeding heart, flag burning , Obama apologist here. Who applaud when D's take control, can't wait for Single payer Health Care, or even worse.
Believe people like HRC really doesn't mean she want's to take guns away from us.
Hell we have a pro- illegal alien supporter here, or did .
Yes it's free speech. yes it's freedom of expression. However their idea of FREE is taking something i worked for , without paying for it.
State tax revenue is always collected from a wide variety of areas including personal income, business income, sales revenue or tourists dollars. Anytime taxes are collected in excess of the state budget, it is returned. As long as the state of CO has been returning this money it has always been given equally to all the residence who filed a tax return. We all know that not everybody even pays tax. So the argument that only those who paid the tax should get the refund has and will always fall on deaf ears.
I always vote to return the money because governments needs to live on a budget like the rest of us. I think any time they get to keep and spend more than was budgeted just rewards them for their own shortcomings. I would have voted for them to keep the money if they could have earmarked it for a specific issue in need like roads or to shore up PERA's unfunded liability. But as always two years from now they will come to the voters asking for more money for things they say they are going to fix with this money.
As an example, I challenge anybody to name a recent election year that we didn't vote on more money for schools. It was only about three or four elections back that we passed a state wide amendment that put significant annual school funding increases on auto pilot, regardless if the money was available or not. People are starting to realize I'm right when I say "If we are having an election then school funding is on the ballet somewhere". It gets old and no amount of increase is ever enough for them to stop asking for more.
Good post big e. My problem with school funding I.e. Raising taxes is the lack of correlation between funding and the quality of education.
Great-Kazoo
11-04-2015, 23:19
State tax revenue is always collected from a wide variety of areas including personal income, business income, sales revenue or tourists dollars. Anytime taxes are collected in excess of the state budget, it is returned. As long as the state of CO has been returning this money it has always been given equally to all the residence who filed a tax return. We all know that not everybody even pays tax. So the argument that only those who paid the tax should get the refund has and will always fall on deaf ears.
I always vote to return the money because governments needs to live on a budget like the rest of us. I think any time they get to keep and spend more than was budgeted just rewards them for their own shortcomings. I would have voted for them to keep the money if they could have earmarked it for a specific issue in need like roads or to shore up PERA's unfunded liability. But as always two years from now they will come to the voters asking for more money for things they say they are going to fix with this money.
As an example, I challenge anybody to name a recent election year that we didn't vote on more money for schools. It was only about three or four elections back that we passed a state wide amendment that put significant annual school funding increases on auto pilot, regardless if the money was available or not. People are starting to realize I'm right when I say "If we are having an election then school funding is on the ballet somewhere". It gets old and no amount of increase is ever enough for them to stop asking for more.
IIRC last in season / presidential election 33 ( state school tax increase) was shot down big time.
^^^I think your are right, but more "money for the children" was on the ballet.
The anti-union people (incumbents) didn't spend any money, while the pro-union folks spent money like the fools they are. I probably got 20-30 pieces of mail in favor of the pro-union candidates, at least 5 phone calls, and multiple people coming door-to-door - not to mention the various cars driving around town....
The incumbents - I got one mailing, which had pictures of their competition on it. Very strange.
You're right... I got the flyer in the mail. I saw one commercial. That's it.
You must be registered independent to get so much love from the Dems.
Conservatives have to be smarter than that.
screagle2
11-05-2015, 20:41
I didn't care about how much money I got back or how much it cost to send my money back to me. I cared about the principle, the principle being that money belongs to the citizens and voting yes on BB affirms the govenment's idea that all money belongs to the government.
It is those that only care if the action directly affects them, that contribute to our ever decreasing rights.
i agree with you 100%
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