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What do you find to be the most comfortable carry position? And what is the best way to avoid printing- is it the position, the size of the gun, the type of holster, or a combination of those factors?
argonstrom
11-10-2015, 16:45
I carry at about the 4:30 / 5:00 position (I'm not a big guy). I was a complete fan of IWB holsters before I tried HBAR's OWB holsters - what a world of difference they made comfort-wise. Assuming the shirt is long enough, I have no worries about it being seen (that, and I'm fairly certain no one is going to be checking out my sexy buns). Insofar as printing goes, unless you're wearing a tight shirt, no one is going to notice unless they're looking for it.
buffalobo
11-10-2015, 16:56
D. All the above.
For comfort I carry OWB @ 3:30-4 o'clock and use an over shirt. Almost impossible for me to avoid printing without cover garment.
For concealment I carry IWB, same location(smaller pistol) and can cover with most any shirt. No cover garment needed.
I always prefer comfort mode because I almost always wear an over shirt untucked anyway. And I prefer 15 rds to 8, 9, or 10.
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Zundfolge
11-10-2015, 18:04
I carry IWB at the 3-3:30ish position. I find it conceals best there (your arm covers it most of the time) and its not so far back that I'm sitting on it (so I can draw while driving).
I carry pretty much 24/7/365 and have modified my wardrobe to accommodate carry (all my pants are slightly over sized and I most often wear shirts un-tucked.
Since Colorado is an Open Carry state you don't have any legal issues to worry about with occasional printing or flashing and most people wouldn't notice you were wearing a gun if you open carried so the biggest way to combat printing is to stop worrying about it (in part because worrying about it causes you to futz with your equipment ... and nothing gives you away like constantly adjusting your holster).
3:30 for comfort, closer to 4-4:30 for concealment. One you get behind the center line of your hip, the gun quickly disappears from front view when you are looked upon from the front. I answer my door all the time with under shirt tucked in behind holster and no concealment garment at all. The gun is not visible on my person from the front at all (check this in the mirror). In addition, your belt won't have any "bulge" from the front. This goes a long way in your own comfort and peace of mind.
One you get that belt bulge out of view from the front, it will be a matter if finding the sweet spot between the gun digging into your hip and the seat belt, or your back and the seat, while driving.
Once you arrive at this point, sitting in most chairs should be comfortable enough. It's been a while since I've worn a blouse to work, but with a shirt tucked in, you can pull all the folds out of the shirt in the front by pulling out from either hip and getting all the folds and ruffles behind your waist line. This cleans up the front presentation and puts all the awkward excess material in the back on top of the gun. From here, assuming you've got a tight tuck all around, you can pull your shirt up about an inch so it blouses a bit all the way around and gives you some freedom to twist and bend (to a point) before the shirt pulls tight and prints your gun.
Now that you've got the gun/belt/shirt positioning squared away, the rest is up to you to learn how far you can bend over, squat, or twist before printing. If you're wearing a silky material that is shorter, you run the risk of your shirt becoming untucked when you raise your arms. This is usually not a big deal, but can be depending on the situation. Here is where you'll learn how to act normal, and not like you're caring a gun. Like Zundfolge has said, looking uncomfortable draws attention you don't want. Just being casual and relaxed goes a very long way toward completing the look of "no guns here," which you're trying to achieve.
While not as comfortable (especially after two Indian tacos) the tighter you wear your belt, the better you'll be able to mitigate movement of your carry rig as a whole. Gun less likely to move up and down your belt, or tilt into our away from your body. Shirts tend to become untucked in the center of your back first because that is where the belt has the least contact with your back.
An under shirt makes a huge difference in comfort, I prefer a tight fitting A-shirt (wife beater). A dark under shirt also helps break up the visual of a chunk of rigid black metsl/plastic against your body in the event your shirt gets untucked while reaching up high. I have a few dress shirts that are cheaply made and of such thin material that if you are paying attention, can actually see the color of the gun against your skin or under shirt.
Oh snap, I've quite nearly forgotten to mention that the more belt loops the better concerning holster stability. I once ordered a pair of pants online and on top of the fact that they turned out to be hipster pants (tight on lower legs with a loose ass), they only had five belt loops. I was carrying with velcro clips at the time and without adequate belt loops to keep everything tight and together, the stiff belt would float out away from the waist of the pants and the velcro would not stay secure. This allowed many draws resulting in drawing gun and holster together. Not ideal.
Great info! Thank you all for responding. :) I'd never thought of a dark tshirt of some sort underneath, but that makes a great deal of sense.
I can see now I'm going to have to make some adjustments in my wardrobe- an overshirt or jacket is to be expected as the weather gets colder, but some of the thinner/tighter shirts I own are going to have to go.
I hate wearing belts. I have only one concealed carry holster as of right now, and it's one that holds the firearm at 4:30-5:00. I ventured out today, going to Walmart just to see how I would do in public. It was overkill; I had not only a jacket, but a longer coat as well. It was more for my mindset and outlook than anything else. Zundfolge, you've got the right of it. I was at great pains not to draw attention to it- but I would catch myself almost reaching to adjust.
I've been kicking around an idea of an ankle/calf holster...but I think it would drive me to distraction, and wouldn't be very practical.
Have you looked into a Remora holster yet?
Pistol Packing Preacher
11-11-2015, 08:59
A pair of suspenders under the un-tucked shirt and an IWB holsters works great for me.
Also, a tuckable holster with a dress shirt works. I do use a sports coat also but can remove it for that casual look!
Dark or black T shirts are best.
68Charger
11-11-2015, 09:05
It's different for everybody, but I find appendix carry to be both comfortable and also very concealed- but if I'm more concerned, then a smart carry type (underwear carry)for deep concealment.
If I'm carrying concealed, It's always IWB- personally I don't feel OWB is concealed (unless I'm wearing a long coat, which is somewhat rare for me). YMMV
Sturving's comments are good- you have to be comfortable enough that you're not messing with it- another form of printing would be adjusting/messing with your cover clothing because you think everyone can see you're carrying. I've spotted people carrying at church because I saw them doing so, but never saw their gun- I didn't need to.
Paddle holsters allow you to carry without need for a belt. They are also great for adjusting forward or back when you get in and out of the car. I usually slip mine off and tuck it between the seats by my right leg when driving long distance.
Grip length and width seem to be the greatest obstacle to concealing. Single stack short grips disappear, Glock 17s are much more difficult depending on your size.
Ankle holsters are next to impossible to draw quickly under stress from.
Kramer Gun Leather makes a great paddle holster for ladies - depending on their shape. They also have other holsters designed for ladies, as do other companies.
Whatever you settle on, carry regularly and you will forget it's even there.
rock_castle
11-11-2015, 15:52
Cover garment with a sturdy belt and good IWB holster at 2:30-3:00 with at least 15* of cant will hide the largest handgun.
Just another reason to have multiple holster and guns to carry depending on what your wearing/season. I have a small revolver in a remora for tight clothes or summertime shorts. I use a IWB at 4-5oclock with a subcompact with jeans and shirt . Then I have the OWB at 3o clock with a full size for jacket weather. Who doesn't like accessorizing
Yeah...I just haven't found a small gun I prefer for another concealed carry option yet.
What make/model of handgun are you carrying if you don't mind me asking?
TheSparkens
11-11-2015, 19:21
I don't mean to be rude but who cares, if you are legal and printing you are legal. I had my shirt tucked in and you could see the handle of my xd (IWB @ 3:30) a cashier asked " are you in law enforcement " I said no I just carry a gun and always have sorry if it makes you uncomfortable, end of story. Now if you conceal carry or should I say IWB and the same amount of your fire arm is visible as when you open carrry OWB are you concealed or open carrying? The only thing that changes is your holster is exposed.
I don't mean to be rude but who cares, if you are legal and printing you are legal. I had my shirt tucked in and you could see the handle of my xd (IWB @ 3:30) a cashier asked " are you in law enforcement " I said no I just carry a gun and always have sorry if it makes you uncomfortable, end of story. Now if you conceal carry or should I say IWB and the same amount of your fire arm is visible as when you open carrry OWB are you concealed or open carrying? The only thing that changes is your holster is exposed.
Well, there are certain circumstances that I would rather not reveal (accidentally or incidentally) that I was armed. Sometimes the letter of the law and the spirit of social convention never truly cross paths, you know?
What make/model of handgun are you carrying if you don't mind me asking?
I had originally planned on carrying a Walther PP .380 for my Concealed Carry. The more I fired it, the less satisfied I was with the gun. I've been carrying my Baby Desert Eagle .45 ACP instead, and I've been much happier with it.
I don't mean to be rude but who cares, if you are legal and printing you are legal. I had my shirt tucked in and you could see the handle of my xd (IWB @ 3:30) a cashier asked " are you in law enforcement " I said no I just carry a gun and always have sorry if it makes you uncomfortable, end of story. Now if you conceal carry or should I say IWB and the same amount of your fire arm is visible as when you open carrry OWB are you concealed or open carrying? The only thing that changes is your holster is exposed.
This is fine for those who carry casually, just to the store, or to the mail box or something. There are people who make the decision to carry seriously and in situations that would land them in serious trouble, even if not legal trouble. "I carry a gun, sorry it makes you uncomfortable," doesn't fly for 100% of people who are employed by someone other than themselves, nor will it prevent jail time for any person who has accepted the consequences of carrying in places where they'll be arrested if they are ever made out.
I work in an office and 99% of our staff is clueless I carry. G19 and a 26 on the ankle daily. The people who know know, those who don't are sheep.. Those that see me 'print' when I'm messing with something or moving something just kind of look and I act as if nothing is going on. None have ever asked.
As far as where I carry, it depends on the day. Dress around it. You girls are lucky in that you can accessorize. A light sweater, a vest thing, loose outer garmets and it looks natural.
My x spent hours figuring out what worked with her carrying iwb. She carried at 330-400. She ended up spending a little bit of $$$ at kohls on the cheap and it was never a concern.
She was a tiny thing too. 5'4 and about #105
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That is the cutest little gun!
That is the cutest little gun!
That's what we said to my cousin when he pulled it out of his pocket at the cousins funeral.. No guns at the table was the aunts rule, so as 8 of us laid em out on the counter... He was the last.. Pulled it out of his pocket and we all went awwww
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[ROFL1]
Yes, it's kind of a double-edged sword with women's fashion. Stuff in the stores seems to be very thin material, all cut high at the waist for sweaters and vests and things...but I started finding some longer items at thrift stores. I think that problem is resolved.
gnihcraes
11-11-2015, 21:52
I mostly carry OWB, 4-5 o'clockish. Holsters straddle a belt loop, so there is great support. Compact weapons, G19, P228, SR9C etc.
I'll carry the 38 IWB about the same place, when dressing lighter for a dinner party or something like that.
I always have something else on like a untucked shirt or coat. Summer days are the worst, but I make due with a super light fishing shirt or something like that. I'm usually cold unless it's 80 or above. (medical issues) I've just gotten used to having multiple layers on. Winter is awesome, just wear coats!
The wife is going through CCW training now, I doubt she'll ever carry, but does have a shoulder bag from maxpedition that would be her best option. She never wears belts and would print easily around the waist I believe.
Honey Badger282.8
11-11-2015, 22:31
Glock 27 in a Comp-Tac M-Tac holster at the 4-4:30 is most comfortable for me.
I had originally planned on carrying a Walther PP .380 for my Concealed Carry. The more I fired it, the less satisfied I was with the gun. I've been carrying my Baby Desert Eagle .45 ACP instead, and I've been much happier with it.
Check out Kramer Leatherworks. They are the only manufacturer I found that makes specific fit holsters for the Baby Eagle. As mentioned above, they do have a number of women's specific holsters, which take into account women's typically shorter waists and the fact that you have hips.
http://www.kramerleather.com/
Check out Kramer Leatherworks. They are the only manufacturer I found that makes specific fit holsters for the Baby Eagle. As mentioned above, they do have a number of women's specific holsters, which take into account women's typically shorter waists and the fact that you have hips.
http://www.kramerleather.com/
Thank you!
What are the pros and cons to leather holsters, especially IWB?
Zundfolge
11-12-2015, 14:36
Thank you!
What are the pros and cons to leather holsters, especially IWB?
The pros of leather over Kydex are as follows.
More comfortable (especially IWB)
Looks much better
Less finish wear on the gun (this is debatable so I expect some pushback on this one)
Silent draw/re-holster (not sure how important this is)
less bulky
Looks much better (yes, I mentioned this twice)
Pros of Kydex
Kydex is usually cheaper
slightly better retention (again this is a huge point of contention so there will be those that disagree)
Generally one handed re-holstering is easier
Tackti-cool
Hybrid holsters are generally the best of both but are fugly.
All said and done I prefer leather over Kydex ... but would still consider a Kydex or hybrid (most likely hybrid).
A leather holster with proper retention will "cling" to the gun as long asthere is contact. With Kydex, there is really only one pressure point holding the gun, and once that point is passed, the gun is coming out. I guess what I'm saying is you could draw a pistol 1" from a Kydex holster, turn it upside and the gun is hitting the floor. Draw the pistol only one inch out of a leather holster and turn it upside and the may still be enough tension that the gun doesn't fall out.
I don't know what relevance this has to your question, or anything at all though.
All of this information is relevant to me; I'm soaking it up like a sponge and truly appreciate it. Even if it doesn't answer the immediate question, I can apply it to questions that arise later.
Silly question time: I've looked at the Kramer site, and notice there are different types of leather- cowhide and horsehide. Does this matter?
From what I see, IWB holsters have a clip that latches onto the top of your pants. You then wear a belt, which covers the clip and hides it from sight. I guess the question I have is: does this make it difficult to draw the gun? Or is it inherently a problem for women, who curve outward at the hips and back? I also am having trouble understanding the purpose of this "FBI tilt" the site keeps referring to- can anyone shed light on that? I've never heard of that.
FBI cant or tilt is a tilt forward of the gun raising the grip for concealment. I can't remember if it's 10-15-or 20 degrees.
Zundfolge
11-12-2015, 18:12
Silly question time: I've looked at the Kramer site, and notice there are different types of leather- cowhide and horsehide. Does this matter?
Horsehide has a tighter grain so it's more water (and sweat) resistant. It costs a little more too. If you sweat a lot or live in a hot moist climate (which Colorado is clearly NOT) then it might be worth the extra expense for horsehide.
Horsehide is also a little stiffer so you can make a holster with thinner horsehide that is just as stiff as a thicker cowhide holster (although most of the time they use the same thickness as cowhide so you end up with a stiffer holster that will hold its shape longer ... but we're talking about the difference between your grand children being able to use it and your great grandchildren).
The downside to horsehide is that it doesn't take the dye as well (so often holster makers will only make it available in tan or natural finish)
FBI cant or tilt is a tilt forward of the gun raising the grip for concealment. I can't remember if it's 10-15-or 20 degrees.
FBI cant is 15deg
gnihcraes
11-12-2015, 19:17
A leather holster with proper retention will "cling" to the gun as long asthere is contact. With Kydex, there is really only one pressure point holding the gun, and once that point is passed, the gun is coming out. I guess what I'm saying is you could draw a pistol 1" from a Kydex holster, turn it upside and the gun is hitting the floor. Draw the pistol only one inch out of a leather holster and turn it upside and the may still be enough tension that the gun doesn't fall out.
I don't know what relevance this has to your question, or anything at all though.
Kydex: I'm not sure what I did this summer, went out the back door, screen door caught the holster, flicked out the gun, it slid across the driveway, magazine came out.
F*CK. I just stood there in awe trying to figure the whole mess out and how did it happen. Especially the magazine popping out of the gun. Tension of the holster was good I thought. :)
It wouldn't have happened with my other gun and the leather thumb break holster.
I can't stand Kydex for CCW. Too stiff and it digs in to my waist or puts pressure on my hip bone. Leather all the way for me IWB. Dress around the gun.
Zundfolge
11-12-2015, 20:47
I can't stand Kydex for CCW. Too stiff and it digs in to my waist or puts pressure on my hip bone. Leather all the way for me IWB. Dress around the gun.
I've never owned a Kydex IWB holster, but I suspect your experience is dead on (there's a reason why these hybrid IWB holsters have dominated the market the last few years).
As for OWB, Kydex is fine if you're dressed casual, but it just looks so wrong if you're wearing a suit. Kind of like wearing a cheap Casio digital watch and tennis shoes with a suit or sport coat.
gnihcraes
11-12-2015, 21:09
Don't wear a suit. :)
38LCR in a pocket if I need to wear anything fancy. I have a medical condition that requires I stay warm anyway, so I just keep wearing a jacket of some sorts. Usually cold in fancy smancy places to eat anyways. (air conditioning)
Well! gnihcraes' experience is the thing that pushes me over to leather. Murphy's Law would have it so something similar would happen to me with a Kydex holster- I get hung up on the doorknob sometimes, too.
I wouldn't be able to carry that specific gun with an IWB holster while wearing a suit; I've yet to find a decent pair of suit pants with more than a nominal waistband and/or more than five belt loops. They also have no pockets, because of stupid fashion. Women apparently aren't supposed to CC.
So that means something other than a waistband holster when I've got a suit on. Not often, but it does happen when I'm meeting clients.
Well! gnihcraes' experience is the thing that pushes me over to leather. Murphy's Law would have it so something similar would happen to me with a Kydex holster- I get hung up on the doorknob sometimes, too.
I wouldn't be able to carry that specific gun with an IWB holster while wearing a suit; I've yet to find a decent pair of suit pants with more than a nominal waistband and/or more than five belt loops. They also have no pockets, because of stupid fashion. Women apparently aren't supposed to CC.
So that means something other than a waistband holster when I've got a suit on. Not often, but it does happen when I'm meeting clients.
Easy there, just because of Kelly's ONE experience, is no reason to completely write off Kydex. My Kydex holster would require a door knob to grab my gun with man strength in order to yank it and toss it down the drive way. The best part of Kelly's story is him standing there trying to figure out what the hell happened, as that is pretty much the universal response when a gun hits the floor. I'm not saying that I don't believe that story, because I do, but that will probably never happen to him again. I have a similar story.
I've been carrying in a Comp-Tac Minotaur hybrid holster for about 6ish years now. I liked my holster so much, that I ordered another kydex shell that would fit my CZ-75B so I could just change shells and use the same leather. Problem was that the shell I got wasn't molded correctly so no matter how tight you adjust the holster, it just doesn't have the correct tension. I knew this, but would just tighten my belt and wear it anyway. Well, one night I was at a party and no one knew I was carrying. I was showing off and jumped up as many stairs as I could with a vertical jump. My cocked and locked CZ came all the way out of the top of the holster and bounced down the hardwood stairs and bounced around on the hardwood landing. While no one was paying attention to me before hand, now everyone was looking to see what had just bounced down the stairs. Fortunately it was just with family who liked guns and the first person to talk said something along the lines of "Cool, a gun!"
I tell this story to demonstrate that while that is certainly a horror story, I wouldn't write off hybrid holsters for that reason alone. The nice thing about kydex is that you can use a heat gun to make the kydex malleable and adjust tension. I've never gotten around to doing that and just never wore that holster again.
I hadn't thought about a concealed carry jacket. Thanks for the idea and advice!
I'm not a motorcycle rider, but there may be others reading this thread that are, and hadn't known about the option.
68Charger
11-13-2015, 13:24
If we're throwing out options...
Rather than kydex or leather, I'll put this one out there- friend of my swears by it, but I haven't gotten one yet (but I sometimes use a Blackhawk fabric holster with Velcro retention strap when wearing light clothing)
http://www.stickyholsters.com/
Provides lots of options, especially with accessories for thigh or ankle... the material is almost like memory foam- it conforms to the shape of where you put it, which is what helps it stay in place.
I've been seeing a lot of these sticky holsters online lately- does anyone have them? What are the pros and cons?
I've been seeing a lot of these sticky holsters online lately- does anyone have them? What are the pros and cons?
I have one for my "cute" little NAA .22 mag. The holster is shaped like the inside of a front trouser pocket. It stays in place in my pocket and conceals the outline of the pistol. Works great as advertised.
I'm not sure about their claims for other modes of carry, but they work great for small pistol pocket carry.
68Charger
11-13-2015, 14:30
I've been seeing a lot of these sticky holsters online lately- does anyone have them? What are the pros and cons?
I was going to buy one, and possibly the ankle biter setup for my BUG- a Kel-Tec P40. I can pocket carry the P40 with most pants, but would like the option of an ankle holster for when I wear boots...
I don't own one yet, but have handled one in person- the texture/grip is really good, I can see where it would stay put and I like the versatility- it can go in an inside jacket pocket when I ride my motorcycle, in a pants pocket, it may even fit snugly in my boots without the ankle biter setup (but I like the retention strap)... in a laptop bag, backpack pocket, etc
Lex_Luthor
11-14-2015, 11:09
I carry my G27 either with a leather appendix IWB holster or in a smart carry. Smart carry is by far more comfortable and I can conceal in gym shorts & a - shirt (wife beater) in the summer. You can't wear tighter fitting pants so as a lady, that might be a deal breaker for you. My leather IWB appendix holster is super nice, has plenty of retention, but I do wish it was a little thinner. I can slide it around to 4:00 if I want, but I usually don't.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/14/47a78d1da1c0aff12dc18598735621af.jpg
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/14/82847991c487af1d0b1339c434e94f39.jpg
I have two of the sticky type holsters. A "Sticky" brand and a Remora. Mostly use them for pocket carry but I have occasionally tucked them in my waistband. They stay in place pretty well but mine don't have any sort of clips on them to secure them to your belt or waistband so I worry the whole setup could possibly hit the floor if I don't keep a mindful eye on it.
How's the retention of the firearm with the Sticky holster worn IWB without a belt, as they advertise? I can't see retention being acceptable while jogging/running without a dedicated retention strap. Just my thoughts. I think people tend to way overthink buying a holster. Grey, if you happen to have a firearm that I own, you're more than welcome to try one of my holsters, and belt, on to try. I'm sure others here would offer the same. You may find that what you "think" will work may not in reality. Good luck in your search!
I've carried with a "sticky" Remora holster for years and I love it. I've never once had it fall out. You do need to pay attention to it more I think but for a quick grab and go IwB it's great (and cheap). They are especially good for pants with no belt.
I do like the sticky holsters versatility. I can tuck it in my waistband easily, take the whole setup out easily while I'm in my vehicle and toss it in the center console, then slip it back in my pants when I exit the vehicle. I also tuck it in my front pocket from time to time depending on what I'm wearing. Also been known to throw it in the pocket on a back pack from time to time.
The other cool thing about the sticky holsters is setting the ride height, cant, etc. is just a matter of moving the holster around to the desired position. It pretty much stays put after that.
KS63, as far as how well the gun stays in the holster, I feel it stays just fine for normal activities. I don't think I'd jog or run in it.
The only drawback is you really can't reholster the handgun once you draw it without removing the holster. This is a big deal for some. It really doesn't bother me. I don't go around drawing and reholstering all day. I put the gun in the holster, tuck the whole thing where I want it, and off I go. If I ever find myself in a position where I have drawn my weapon then putting it back in the holster is the least of my problems.
Also, since my wife has a sewing machine, I have been toying around with modifying one of the sticky holsters. Maybe adding a clip of some sort. I bet adding a thumb break wouldn't be too difficult either if a person wanted to.
You guys are great. :) You've provided me with a lot of food for thought, and avenues I hadn't really considered before. Thank you all for the suggestions and offers. I think I had painted myself into a corner before this thread, and you've all helped me by reminding me there are other options!
HoneyBadger
11-15-2015, 16:04
[ROFL1]
Yes, it's kind of a double-edged sword with women's fashion. Stuff in the stores seems to be very thin material, all cut high at the waist for sweaters and vests and things...but I started finding some longer items at thrift stores. I think that problem is resolved.
I know I'm late to the party here, but It seems like Bass Pro had some good female clothes for concealment - looser fit, longer coattails, etc. [Beer]
I have a few different holsters that I use IWB between 3:00-5:00, but I'm still struggling to find something that is as comfortable as I'd like. I wear a crossbreed supertuck when I'm dressed down, but I use an Aliengear cloak 2.0 when i'm dressed up (I wear a suit at least once a week).
When I'm dressed down, I just wear jeans with some sort of loose-fitting workout type shirt (I love the Nike Pro Combat shirts for both working out and lounging around). Most of the time, one of those shirts is enough to conceal a Glock 26 at 4:00. Conveniently, my new climate is cooler for a good portion of the year, and I have a couple of cheap zip-up sweatshirts and jackets that I can always throw on for extra concealment (especially since being "discovered" here would be a significant problem).
When dressing up, even with fitted dress shirts, it's super easy to conceal. Shirt gets tucked in over the gun as Irving said in post #5, and suit jacket provides extra cover. If anyone mentions anything, it's usually a compliment on the suit. A few times i've been asked (halfway-jokingly) by friends why I always wear a suit to church... And it's an easy and obvious answer that I like to dress up to go to God's house (which is true). Nobody could possibly question that, right?
I do think I need to find a good OWB holster for wearing around the house when I'm not interested in concealment.
ETA: I almost forgot one of the most important parts! My BELT! I don't have a "Gunbelt" but I think this is pretty darn close. I picked it up about 6 months ago from a Kohls store in Michigan. It is made by Columbia and is a very firm leather belt that feels as though it has a plastic or springsteel core. No more sagging pants on one side! :D
Though I don't recommend it, there's always this:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/vagina-gun-woman-is-prison-bound-638295
Following Archer’s arrest, a TSG reporter broke the news to Souther that his revolver had been stashed inside Archer. “Oh, gosh,” Souther said. He added that while he wanted “the little fellow” returned, the revolver would need “a bath in bleach.”
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