Most heavily armed states [Archive] - Colorado AR-15 Shooters Club Discussion Forums

Great-Kazoo

12-11-2015, 09:32

Too bad they didn't say for other states. Here's where no insane, mentally unstable person DIDN'T GO ON RAMPAGE. Of course that never fits the AGENDA. I "think" their math may be off for CO, just slightly.

Zundfolge

12-11-2015, 09:36

I was surprised how high DC was and how low Kansas was.

StagLefty

12-11-2015, 09:38

Too bad they didn't say for other states.

you need to find the arrows on the right and left side to go through the list

Irving

12-11-2015, 09:44

There is a picture of Zach Smith at the end. I knew that name was familiar.

izzy

12-11-2015, 09:52

What exactly do they mean by "registered firearm"?

KevDen2005

12-11-2015, 10:07

What pisses me off even more is the Colorado quote. Here is a picture of the Firing Line in Aurora, Colorado, not far from where the Aurora Shooting took place.

Great-Kazoo

12-11-2015, 10:21

you need to find the arrows on the right and left side to go through the list

In regards to "shootings" and other gun deaths. Like Ill. It's only the sensational shooting we get noticed for.

Aloha_Shooter

12-11-2015, 10:22

What's this "registered firearm" stuff CBS is basing their statistics on? WTF registered what in Colorado?

HoneyBadger

12-11-2015, 10:24

This just proliferates the common nomenclature and expectation that guns are to be registered in a "civilized" society. [facepalm]

BushMasterBoy

12-11-2015, 10:28

Main stream media propaganda is quoted a lot on this forum. Most of it is government approved and meant to mislead. Crowd control to Major Tom...

KevDen2005

12-11-2015, 10:36

What exactly do they mean by "registered firearm"?

I just stopped recognizing the term since the news and non-gun owners have no idea really what that term means. I wish they would say legally owned firearms, or something like that.

Aloha_Shooter

12-11-2015, 10:41

I just stopped recognizing the term since the news and non-gun owners have no idea really what that term means. I wish they would say legally owned firearms, or something like that.

... and I wish they would just admit they don't know WTF they're talking about and are editing the "news" to push the viewpoints they want adopted ... but I'm not holding my breath on that ...

02ducky

12-11-2015, 10:43

I am really diappointed that CO is ranked so low, so i am going to go buy a new gun to help our state become number one.

Great-Kazoo

12-11-2015, 10:48

I am really diappointed that CO is ranked so low, so i am going to go buy a new gun to help our state become number one.

Buy 2 and call me in the Morning ;)

Zundfolge

12-11-2015, 10:57

I am really diappointed that CO is ranked so low, so i am going to go buy a new gun to help our state become number one.

CO is a mixed bag ... I've often read that Teller County is one of the most heavily armed counties in the country (or the most licensed to carry or something like that).

We've got parts of this state that make Texas (or at least the mythical version of Texas) look like San Francisco. And we've got parts of this state that make San Francisco look like west Texas. So it drags our average down.

KevDen2005

12-11-2015, 11:02

... and I wish they would just admit they don't know WTF they're talking about and are editing the "news" to push the viewpoints they want adopted ... but I'm not holding my breath on that ...

Well I do realize there is a combination of a lot of dumbasses in the journalism field and an agenda being pushed.

ronaldrwl

12-11-2015, 11:17

I'm sure if the real numbers where known Texas would be a lot higher than #18.

muddywings

12-11-2015, 11:32

Great-Kazoo

12-11-2015, 13:23

http://ww.examiner.com/article/cbs-news-demonstrates-media-ignornance-story-on-most-heavily-armed-states

I'm not 100% on this thought but I suspect that why DC shows up so high is because they have LEO Agencies with NFA items which show up on that 'registered database.'
Can someone check my logic on that?

Let me get back to you.
https://sp.yimg.com/xj/th?id=OIP.M0fdc38f8ca10c5eb58e631b58bf08608o2&pid=15.1&P=0&w=260&h=198

crashdown

12-11-2015, 14:03

I watch the news.....
They tell me that there are like 5 millions times more guns than people in the U.S.
This article doesn't seem to want to support that.

Skip

12-11-2015, 14:31

I don't believe there are only 60K guns in this state. Not for a second.

ATF says there are 2,039 FFLs in our state as of Aug 2015. 1,602 of those are 01 and 02. That would mean each dealer has sold only 40 guns on average for the life of their business. That's a weekly number for some dealers that have been open for decades.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/listing-federal-firearms-licensees-ffls-2015

Here's a piece on the BGC law failing to show 40% of guns bought without a background check...

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/ap-expanded-gun-sale-background-checks-in-colorado-led-to-fewer-reviews-than-expected

In total, there were about 311,000 background checks done during the first year of the expansion in Colorado, meaning the 13,600 checks between private sellers made up about 4 percent of the state total.

311K/year. The number of those related to new guns (I don't know it) is the annual increase. Each check can be for multiple weapons as well.

Yup, not buying it.

ray1970

12-11-2015, 14:44

I think there are a few local shops that might sell 60K between now and Christmas.

Dave_L

12-11-2015, 15:05

The claim that "40% of gun sales are done without a check" is hilarious. This is where that claim comes from:

" based on a single 1994 telephone survey on private gun ownership (http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/NACJD/studies/06955) conducted by the Police Foundation and funded by the Justice Department. The survey asked the 251 participants who had acquired guns in the previous two years, “Was the person you acquired this gun from a licensed firearm dealer?” The answer choices were “yes,” “probably was/think so,” “probably not,” “no/definitely not,” “don’t know” and refuse to report."

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/03/guns-acquired-without-background-checks/

Zundfolge

12-11-2015, 15:37

I don't believe there are only 60K guns in this state. Not for a second.

It looks like the numbers are limited to "registered guns" then the only guns that are "registered" in Colorado are NFA items ... I could easily believe there are 60k NFA firearms in CO.

I also wonder how many guns are sold in private transactions without BGCs ... not here to advocate for such civil disobedience, but I do wonder how much it happens.

milwaukeeshaker

12-11-2015, 15:49

Back when we were free, all the time.

It looks like the numbers are limited to "registered guns" then the only guns that are "registered" in Colorado are NFA items ... I could easily believe there are 60k NFA firearms in CO.

I also wonder how many guns are sold in private transactions without BGCs ... not here to advocate for such civil disobedience, but I do wonder how much it happens.

osok-308

12-11-2015, 16:41

It looks like the numbers are limited to "registered guns" then the only guns that are "registered" in Colorado are NFA items ... I could easily believe there are 60k NFA firearms in CO.

I also wonder how many guns are sold in private transactions without BGCs ... not here to advocate for such civil disobedience, but I do wonder how much it happens.

I have actually had a couple people at times ask me to sell items without BGCs (not on the forum, on armslist). I refused to have that discussion and violate the law, but I bet the amount of people who will do this is relatively high.

HoneyBadger

12-11-2015, 17:59

I also wonder how many guns are sold in private transactions without BGCs ... not here to advocate for such civil disobedience, but I do wonder how much it happens.
I've never heard of anyone doing that... [ROFL1]

ZERO THEORY

12-11-2015, 18:27

Wyoming at #1. Looking better by the day.

Jamnanc

12-11-2015, 18:35

How many members does this site have? I would propose to you that the average member owns 10 guns. The registered thing is weird. They are using the terminology to mislead or tweak data for some reason.

Danimal

12-11-2015, 18:35

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jmg8550

12-11-2015, 19:41

Why do you think I moved...

Great-Kazoo

12-11-2015, 22:28

Why do you think I moved...

Cheaper rent, better paying job? While wyo has some perks. The downside is the wind and weather. Mostly the wind............................

jmg8550

12-11-2015, 22:44

People keep talking about the wind here. It really isn't any worse than NoCo. And WY doesn't even crack the top ten of windiest states. Nebraska is no.1.

Also, according to AWEA (American Wind Energy Assoc.) Wyoming is 7th in wind energy resources. Colorado is 8th for most wind energy projects. Texas is 1st, Wyoming doesn't make it in the top ten.

All that aside, I'll put up with some wind in exchange for more of my money making it into my pocket.

blacklabel

12-11-2015, 22:49

The wind does suck.

Irving

12-11-2015, 22:59

Could you imagine the cow smell in Greeley if you didn't have the wind though?

Big E3

12-11-2015, 23:01

This articles numbers are pure horse shit. I have seen recent estimates putting national gun ownership over 50%. If Colorado has 5,268,367 people and half of those are adults that's 2,634,183 and that would put 50% ownership at 1,317,091. And they claim 63,178 people own guns, that's only 5% of my rough estimate.

I know people that given the size of there collections could change the percentages of these numbers by themselves.

I have to suspect what there motives are for such a low number. Maybe they believe they can convince the anti's it is only a small number of gun owners that will be effected by confiscation.

blacklabel

12-11-2015, 23:01

Could you imagine the cow smell in Greeley if you didn't have the wind though?

I used to work about a block from the meat plant. That was brutal regardless of the wind. Working on the west side of town I don't notice at much anymore.

KevDen2005

12-11-2015, 23:50

jmg8550

12-12-2015, 08:25

I just looked that all up. Figured I'd back up my claims with facts. People like to assume WY us too windy. I grew up in NoCo, moved to Cheyenne a few years ago. Not much difference in wind.

Great-Kazoo

12-12-2015, 08:46

hate to derail here. But I feel like only a person in a windy state would have that kind of knowledge on wind

I worked in cheyo for 8 years.

Good bad, or Indifferent. Wyoming's State Motto is:

Wyoming, Where the Men are Men. And the Sheep Know It.

68Charger

12-12-2015, 11:03

Those numbers are pure bovine scatology... So are they incompetent, or are they skewed for some agenda?

No way Alaska is that far down the list, for one thing 15.2 guns per 1000? my Aunt and Uncle alone would represent 1500-2000 people by themselves...
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/06/gun-owners-study-one-in-three

Alaska tops the list with 62 percent of adults saying they own a firearm;

Could be that <registered> is the key word. But then why are so many registered in Wyoming?

ETA: News articles like this illustrate just how much pure BULLSHIT the left will throw out there- either CBS or Motherjones are wrong, lying or a combination of both. So what else is CBS lying about?

Big E3

12-12-2015, 12:03

^^^^^I think we are off topic? This appears to be the who blows harder thread.

Just kidding!

I still can't figure out the registered part. Maybe they did that to draw us out and get us to tell them exactly how many guns we actually have. Or it could just be they are that stupid and believe all guns are registered. I really tend to believe they are only talking about NFA guns, that would explain Wyoming.

It does appear to be agenda driven in that none of the photos include minorities and a number of photos are at gun rallies or with Republicans. They're clearly trying to paint a picture of the "typical gun owner". I like the Arkansas picture of two rusty blackpowder rifles and what looks like a BB gun. In some pictures the AR is an assault rifle in others a semi-auto rifle.

wyome

12-12-2015, 12:07

Why do you think I moved...

I aint ever going back....I do miss the bighorn mountains tho

hghclsswhitetrsh

12-12-2015, 12:48

Fuck I hate the term NoCo. That is all.

#basicbitches

TFOGGER

12-12-2015, 12:58

Those numbers are pure bovine scatology... So are they incompetent, or are they skewed for some agenda?

No way Alaska is that far down the list, for one thing 15.2 guns per 1000? my Aunt and Uncle alone would represent 1500-2000 people by themselves...
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/06/gun-owners-study-one-in-three

Could be that <registered> is the key word. But then why are so many registered in Wyoming?

ETA: News articles like this illustrate just how much pure BULLSHIT the left will throw out there- either CBS or Motherjones are wrong, lying or a combination of both. So what else is CBS lying about?

I'll take '"Pulling the numbers out of my ass for 500, Alex". I'm guessing the membership of this board could muster more than 63000 firearms without completely emptying their safes...

Rooskibar03

12-12-2015, 13:44

http://controversialtimes.com/news/cbs-wrote-a-story-about-the-most-heavily-armed-states-however-they-got-something-very-very-wrong/

This article claims they used registered NFA items to arrive at the stated numbers.

TFOGGER

12-12-2015, 14:06

ray1970

12-12-2015, 14:25

Even if they used NFA numbers they are still out of whack on their statistics. I would guess quite a few of those NFA items aren't even firearms but are suppressors.

HoneyBadger

12-12-2015, 14:43

So then we can logically conclude with CBS that CA has "0 guns", since NFA items are not allowed in the state. Which must be why there is zero gun-involved crime in CA, right?

rondog

12-12-2015, 15:06

More bullshit fabricated stats. Like there's any way in Hell that anyone can determine who owns what or how many.

Gman

12-12-2015, 16:52

More bullshit fabricated stats. Like there's any way in Hell that anyone can determine who owns what or how many.
Yep. The individuals putting this stuff out might be surprised if things go really bad.

muddywings

12-13-2015, 16:04

http://ww.examiner.com/article/cbs-news-demonstrates-media-ignornance-story-on-most-heavily-armed-states

I'm not 100% on this thought but I suspect that why DC shows up so high is because they have LEO Agencies with NFA items which show up on that 'registered database.'
Can someone check my logic on that?

I'm going to quote myself cause I'm curious if anybody knows the answer to my question? I'm trying to figure out how they got those numbers in DC and the only thing I can think of is a lot of LEO have SBRs/suppressors on duty rifles.

Circuits

05-25-2016, 04:16

Federal agencies are not actually required to register their NFA firearms, but the stuff not specifically produced for military contracts generally is on the registry, because it was created by FFL/SOT manufacturers who register everything they make or import, so that if need be, it can be sold to non-federal LE, or into private channels, if allowed.

Therefore, most of what even federal agencies other than the military possess was acquired through commercial channels, so has likely been registered on the NFRTR, even though all such transactions for government entities of any level are tax-free.

DC has more non-military federal agencies than just about anywhere else on the planet, so of course the NFRTR is chock-full of entries home-based in DC. I'm just surprised they're using the 700k population figure of DC proper for their per-capita measurements, versus the DC metro number, which is much larger.