Register those Drones or GO TO JAIL

[wctriumph]

New regulations that can put you in JAIL. WTF!

https://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/

Not a law passed by any legislature, just a new rule that carries the force of law.

[00tec]

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/144927-Anyone-concerned-about-drones-in-the-future?p=1939281#post1939281

Yeah, the "rule" applies to all rc or computer controlled aircraft over .55lbs. Multirotors, helicopters, blimps, gliders, etc. The "rule" could even be interpreted to include kites.

[68Charger]

One key:
The FAA proposal offers safety rules for small UAS (under 55 pounds) conducting non-recreational operations.

so if you're not using it for profit (taking pictures you sell, for example- and putting them on youtube for compensation is a questionable area if you get ad revenue), then you don't need to register.

Typical that these rules just don't apply well where I live.. 47 acres, rolling hills- Just the daytime only restriction chaps my ass, I'd like to run it at 3am to see if that little light I see is someone trespassing, or a flashlight- carrying deer.

[68Charger]

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/144927-Anyone-concerned-about-drones-in-the-future?p=1939281#post1939281

Yeah, the "rule" applies to all rc or computer controlled aircraft over .55lbs. Multirotors, helicopters, blimps, gliders, etc. The "rule" could even be interpreted to include kites.

FAA site says 55Lbs (25kg), not .55 Lbs

[00tec]

FAA site says 55Lbs (25kg), not .55 Lbs
Q. Which unmanned aircraft may register under the new registration requirements?
A. Unmanned aircraft weighing less than 55 pounds and more than 0.55 pounds (250 grams) on takeoff, including everything that is on board or otherwise attached to the aircraft and operated outdoors in the national airspace system must register. These aircraft may register under the new web-based registration system.


Q. If I don't have a scale and my drone doesn't appear on the list is there another method to tell how much it weighs?
A. Two sticks of butter weigh 0.5lbs.

https://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/

[68Charger]

Q. Which unmanned aircraft may register under the new registration requirements?
A. Unmanned aircraft weighing less than 55 pounds and more than 0.55 pounds (250 grams) on takeoff, including everything that is on board or otherwise attached to the aircraft and operated outdoors in the national airspace system must register. These aircraft may register under the new web-based registration system.


Q. If I don't have a scale and my drone doesn't appear on the list is there another method to tell how much it weighs?
A. Two sticks of butter weigh 0.5lbs.

https://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/

that seems to directly contradict this:
https://www.faa.gov/uas/nprm/

The FAA proposal offers safety rules for small UAS (under 55 pounds) conducting non-recreational operations.

And so when can you continue to operate under the rules for "model aircraft"?

The new rules would not apply to model aircraft. However, model aircraft operators must continue to satisfy all of the criteria specified in Sec. 336 of Public Law 112-95, including the stipulation that they be operated only for hobby or recreational purposes.
https://www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft/

The statutory parameters of a model aircraft operation are outlined in Section 336 of Public Law 112-95 (the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012) (https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/Sec_331_336_UAS.pdf) (PDF). Individuals who fly within the scope of these parameters do not require permission to operate their UAS; any flight outside these parameters (including any non-hobby, non-recreational operation) requires FAA authorization (https://www.faa.gov/uas/civil_operations/). For example, using a UAS to take photos for your personal use is recreational; using the same device to take photographs or videos for compensation or sale to another individual would be considered a non-recreational operation.

https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/Sec_331_336_UAS.pdf

deliberate obfuscation, incompetence by gov't, or just strong arm tactics?

[00tec]

deliberate obfuscation, incompetence by gov't, or just strong arm tactics?
What is: "All of the above" for eleventy billion dollars.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Molon Aabe.

That is all.

http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a441/RamboZuki84/89A21283-D38F-4E1A-A146-7FB8A10372CE_zpskcucs7gj.jpg (http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/RamboZuki84/media/89A21283-D38F-4E1A-A146-7FB8A10372CE_zpskcucs7gj.jpg.html)

[J]

The stated purposed is to get a list of people to distribute safety materials from time to time to make safer skies

I'm torn. As a private pilot, there are many UAS operators that fly too high, or too close to airports without any regard to safety for manned flight. On the other hand, Im not much for more govt regulation.

The rules were made because legislature already passed laws charging the FAA with registering any aircraft in US airspace. The FAA didn't previously require small UAD to register, and now they do. It does seem there are laws on the books to support this change, at least at face value. Who knows what particulars will be uncovered when legal council gets involved.

The one thing that I do sincerely hope comes from this, either way, is UAS operators who are more concerned with safety issues they may cause in the NAS. It's just a few hundred bucks for them, but it could be 4 lives for my and my passengers if we collide. Whether that comes from people taking this upon themselves to avoid new legislation, or new legislation, I hope that is one positive outcome here.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

The one thing that I do sincerely hope comes from this, either way, is UAS operators who are more concerned with safety issues they may cause in the NAS. It's just a few hundred bucks for them, but it could be 4 lives for my and my passengers if we collide. Whether that comes from people taking this upon themselves to avoid new legislation, or new legislation, I hope that is one positive outcome here.

J, sincere question here:
Are you thinking something like hghclsswhitetrsh has pictured could cause serious problems to a small plane?
Or something bigger, like the "55 lb" drone, obviously?

[Great-Kazoo]

The real issue for me is. How the store owners , managers and majority of comments are in favor of Registration. Quad copters, guns wtf is next, in the name of Safety?

[WETWRKS]

I can see the headlines now...drones...the new helicopter killer. More deadly than the .50bmg sniper rifle.

[Great-Kazoo]

I can see the headlines now...drones...the new helicopter killer. More deadly than the .50bmg sniper rifle.

Don't forget the propeller thingy that goes up.

[Dave_L]

I got a cheapy quadcopter last week...wife hit the neighbors house with it this weekend. [panic]

[milwaukeeshaker]

A pigeon size and maybe a smaller bird can come through the window of a plane. Keep the drones below 400FT, and no closer than 5 miles from an airport please.



J, sincere question here:
Are you thinking something like hghclsswhitetrsh has pictured could cause serious problems to a small plane?
Or something bigger, like the "55 lb" drone, obviously?

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Dear pilot,

Stay above 400 feet, I'll stay below 400 and not within 5 miles of an airport.

Thanks.

[J]

Dear pilot,

Stay above 400 feet, I'll stay below 400 and not within 5 miles of an airport.

Thanks.

I think if everyone did that, most pilots would be pretty happy. Only exception I can think of is spray planes working agriculture, but that's already pretty dangerous flying comparitively, not sure UAS will make it much worse.

Problem is the number of people who don't follow those rules. It would be awesome if the manufacturers would start taping big hunter orange stickers to the units with these rules outlined. Maybe they have, I dunno.

[00tec]

Mine should fly this weekend.

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[J]

A pigeon size and maybe a smaller bird can come through the window of a plane. Keep the drones below 400FT, and no closer than 5 miles from an airport please.

Even a duck against a fullly aluminum wing creates some impressive damage.

If I took a drone that size to the prop, landing gear or windshield while I was at full cruise speed I would have an immediate emergency situation.

It's the speed the planes are moving, more than the weight of the drone. 150-220mph impact speed depending on the small plane, even,if the drone is still.

[Irving]

Can't all you drone vigilantes just be satisfied with the views from public web cams? [/snark]

[00tec]

Can't all you drone vigilantes just be satisfied with the views from public web cams? [/snark]http://www.insecam.org

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

I think if everyone did that, most pilots would be pretty happy. Only exception I can think of is spray planes working agriculture, but that's already pretty dangerous flying comparitively, not sure UAS will make it much worse.

Problem is the number of people who don't follow those rules. It would be awesome if the manufacturers would start taping big hunter orange stickers to the units with these rules outlined. Maybe they have, I dunno.

My DJI phantom came out of the box restricted through the app.

[Irving]

http://www.insecam.org

Just watched a three-some in a pool in China and a bar brawl in London. Thanks!

[O2HeN2]

>> A. Unmanned aircraft weighing less than 55 pounds and more than 0.55 pounds (250 grams) on takeoff

So if I buy a *huge* Goodyear blimp and set it up to be flown remotely, I don't have to register it since it's weightless at takeoff, right?

O2

[brutal]

Just watched a three-some in a pool in China and a bar brawl in London. Thanks!

Was that under Entertainment, Education, or Nature?

[milwaukeeshaker]

Works for me, thanks.


Dear pilot,

Stay above 400 feet, I'll stay below 400 and not within 5 miles of an airport.

Thanks.

[00tec]

Just got my quadcopter rough calibrated. Waiting on my second GPS and landing gear. Guess I could setup the voice prompts in the radio while I wait.
The evil black drone is almost complete. Haha

[asmo]

Everything you need to know about the risks of drones colliding with aircraft in one chart:

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[68Charger]

I foresee a new launching technique... attaching balloons to the drone to get it airborne... then a release will untether them either on command, or when a certain altitude is reached... so the weight at takeoff is less than 0.55 Lb.

It's to save battery life- yeah, that's the ticket!

I should market this as a solution- name of the company could be like Foresight Unlimited For Aeronautical Assets... FUFAA for short!

[Danimal]

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[Great-Kazoo]

But seriously, does anyone have a source for 80% drones?


http://www.overstock.com/Sports-Toys/World-Tech-Toys-3.5-channel-Stay-Puft-Ghostbusters-IR-Gyro-Helicopter/10594918/product.html?refccid=B33E5DBPBIZK57CKDZRKYT2HJQ&searchidx=6

[milwaukeeshaker]

I'm a little dense, and maybe don't see the humor. Are you seriously trying to say that there are no risks to aircraft?




Everything you need to know about the risks of drones colliding with aircraft in one chart:

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[asmo]

I'm a little dense, and maybe don't see the humor. Are you seriously trying to say that there are no risks to aircraft?

See the graph, based on historical data - no. That said there are always risks with any new technology.

Government over-sight, mandating registration, and forcing licensing have never really been good answers - again historically. Especially when the licensing and registration do absolutely nothing to combat the 'problem' they are claiming to solve. See gun registration for the logical extension.

[milwaukeeshaker]

Really??? Have you ever piloted an aircraft? Birdstrikes as mentioned earlier are enough of a hazard. So you don't think a drone would be? I mean anyone can buy one of these "toys" and can fly it in airspace that would be hazardous to real airplanes. Do you really think those same drone flyers would self regulate and not allow them above 400 ft. and 5 miles from an airport without some laws? I've seen some of the videos from drones, these flyers are already pushing the envelope, several commercial flights have already reported near misses. I for one do not want to see one of these in my windshield. We can't do anything about nature, and as a pilot you accept that risk. These "devices" should have a ceiling built into them that will not allow them to fly higher than 400 ft. and even that is too high if operated near an active airport. If you don't want regs on these "devices" then use some common sense and self regulate. So far, that is not what has been done, hence the FAA being forced to try and regulate these things.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Really??? Have you ever piloted an aircraft? Birdstrikes as mentioned earlier are enough of a hazard. So you don't think a drone would be? I mean anyone can buy one of these "toys" and can fly it in airspace that would be hazardous to real airplanes. Do you really think those same drone flyers would self regulate and not allow them above 400 ft. and 5 miles from an airport without some laws? I've seen some of the videos from drones, these flyers are already pushing the envelope, several commercial flights have already reported near misses. I for one do not want to see one of these in my windshield. We can't do anything about nature, and as a pilot you accept that risk. These "devices" should have a ceiling built into them that will not allow them to fly higher than 400 ft. and even that is too high if operated near an active airport. If you don't want regs on these "devices" then use some common sense and self regulate. So far, that is not what has been done, hence the FAA being forced to try and regulate these things.

Remove everything you said pertaining to aircraft and apply it to firearms. Kinda scary huh?

[brutal]

I'm still trying to figure out how turtles get airborne.

Pigs I get, not so much on the shellbacks.

[milwaukeeshaker]

Gun owners seem to be able self regulate, but some of the drone folks don't seem to be able, and have already shown that they are reckless. Additionally, I don't see drones anywhere in the bill of rights.




Remove everything you said pertaining to aircraft and apply it to firearms. Kinda scary huh?

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

I agree it's not on the bill of rights. There have been a couple isolated incidents with airplanes spotting quad copters. You sound like a liberal talking gun regulations. Oh yeah drone to us hobbyists is like black evil assault rifle to gun owners.

[asmo]

Really??? Have you ever piloted an aircraft?

Seriously?


If you don't want regs on these "devices" then use some common sense and self regulate. So far, that is not what has been done, hence the FAA being forced to try and regulate these things.

Actually, there has been an absolutely MINUSCULE number of encounters with drones and aircraft - even around airports.

Instead of prosecuting everyone for a crime they have not, and probably never will, commit - how about we look at tough enforcement of existing laws. Oh wait. This sounds familiar. Wait, wait.. it will come to me.

This is more about AOPA and EAA trying to remain relevant. The FAA trying to exert control (and eventually forced licensing and training); and folks like Jeppeson salivating at the concept of selling even more training and licensing material.

[milwaukeeshaker]

Have you piloted an aircraft?

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Has you aircraft ever come close to a quadcopter?

[milwaukeeshaker]

Have you piloted an aircraft? Have any of you ever been in a light plane?

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Have you personally ever even seen a quadcopter from your window in your air craft?

[asmo]

Have you piloted an aircraft?

Yes. Not that it makes ANY difference whatsoever. If it makes it any better, I am in the process of building my new house less than 500' from a runway. I will live at a fucking airport. Does that help? Does my dick look any bigger now? Again, what relevance does this have?

[Irving]

It doesn't have to be in the Bill of Rights, it only has to not be illegal.

[milwaukeeshaker]

Just wanted to know if you knew anything about real aviation.

[milwaukeeshaker]

No, and I'm really, really hoping not to see one come through my windshield.



Have you personally ever even seen a quadcopter from your window in your air craft?

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Haha. Just like I don't understand anything about guns because I have never been a victim of 'gun violence'.

I believe it was a drone that put that plane in the Hudson right?

[milwaukeeshaker]

I never said any such thing, that's your story.

[cstone]

Have you piloted an aircraft?

Yes.

[milwaukeeshaker]

As a pilot, what is your opinion on the drones?


Yes.

[cstone]

I am more concerned with the inattentiveness of other pilots at uncontrolled airports.

IMO, drones of the small variety are much like the occasional laser strikes. Most of them are inadvertent incursions caused by people not thinking. If the source of the interference can be identified, the incident logged, and they are warned, then more serious action can be taken on a subsequent offense.

If someone is operating a drone in the same size as a small single, then they should be licensed and regulated like a pilot. Something similar to obtaining a light sport certification.

I am opposed to more costly bureaucracy. The best government is less government.

[ColoWyo]

I fly about 800-900 hours a year and I've never seen a drone, RC plane, or RC heli from the cockpit. Ever.

Now lasers on the other hand.......................

[D_F]

http://coagav.org/caaa-news/27?view=blog

You won't see them.

Yes, helicopter ag, fire, SAR, and anything else that will pay the bills pilot.

Registration won't prevent a thing though. And yeah I think someone will hit one. But registration will only allow the lawyers to have someone to sue after the fact.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I don't think any of mine will go 400 ft high. Recreational drone pilots typically have to pick between power and battery life. I think I've got about 10 minutes of flight time on either the tiny quadcopter that weights about 1/4 lb or the larger quadcopter that weighs quite a bit more than 1/2 lb. IMO, this is more about the FAA flexing its muscles than safety.

[KestrelBike]

I'm still trying to figure out how turtles get airborne.

Pigs I get, not so much on the shellbacks.

probably something to do with this jerk:
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[TheGrey]

FAA finally admits the names and home addresses in drone registry will be publicly available.

www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2015/12/18/faa-finally-admits-names-and-home-addresses-in-drone-registry-will-be-publicly-available/ (https://www.ar-15.co/www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2015/12/18/faa-finally-admits-names-and-home-addresses-in-drone-registry-will-be-publicly-available/)

The FAA finally confirmed this afternoon that model aircraft registrants’ names and home addresses will be public. In an email message, the FAA stated: “Until the drone registry system is modified, the FAA will not release names and address. When the drone registry system is modified to permit public searches of registration numbers, names and addresses will be revealed through those searches.”
I’ve been trying to get to the bottom of whether names and home addresses of model aircraft or hobby drone owners – including children as young as 13 – will be made available by the FAA to the public once the FAA’s new unmanned aircraft registry goes live on Monday. It seems a simple enough question. But it took a while to get a straight answer.
My confusion arose because of an apparent contradiction that a colleague pointed out to me between what the FAA stated in its FAQs on the new registration rule and what the Department of Transportation stated in a legal filing made at the same time as the FAA’s new rule was published. The FAA’s FAQs made it appear that only the FAA, its contractor and law enforcement agencies would have access to the data. Here is the FAA’s FAQ:


Who can see the data that I can enter?
A. The FAA will be able to see the data that you enter. The FAA is using a contractor to maintain the website and database, and that contractor also will be able to see the data that you enter. Like the FAA, the contractor is required to comply with strict legal requirements to protect the confidentiality of the personal data you provide. Under certain circumstances, law enforcement officers might also be able to see the data.

This led me – and many others I’ve spoken with – to believe that only these three entities would have access to registrants’ personal information. But my colleague pointed out that the DOT’s filing contained the following statement, “all records maintained by the FAA in connection with aircraft registered are included in the Aircraft Registry and made available to the public, except email address and credit card information submitted under part 48 [the new model aircraft registry].”In addition, the DOT statement says the name and address of model aircraft owners will be searchable by registration number.
So, I emailed DOT’s public affairs office to ask if they could clarify what information from the newly announced UAS registry will be made publicly available. Specifically I asked: “Will a hobby registrant’s name and home address be publicly releasable? Will the public be able to search the hobby registry for owner names and addresses by registration number?” I thought these were easy questions requiring simple yes or no answers. But apparently they weren’t that simple so my questions were referred to the FAA. An FAA spokesman wrote back: “Initially the Registration system will not have a public search function. The FAA plans to incorporate a search by registration number in the future. Names and addresses are protected by the Privacy Act. The FAA will handle disclosure of such information in accordance with the December 15, 2015 Federal Register notice (https://federalregister.gov/a/2015-31647).”
Not considering this a clear answer, I replied, “my reading of the DOT policy is that if someone requests the name and address of a drone registrant the information will be released by the FAA. I don’t want to misstate what the FAA would do so I would appreciate your confirmation.”
The FAA responded that it would have the Chief Counsel’s Office again review my request. It seems the third time was a charm and I got an answer that may not make many hobbyists very happy.
Fortunately for hobby flyers, the Academy of Model Aeronautics announced to its members yesterday that it’s exploring all legal and political means to stop the registry. In the meanwhile, it’s asking its members to hold off registering. If you’re concerned about what data will be made publicly available, you might consider holding off registering to give the AMA a chance.

[stevew]

Gun owners seem to be able self regulate, but the drone folks don't seem to be able, and have already shown that they are reckless. Additionally, I don't see drones anywhere in the bill of rights.

I'm a drone owner and follow the rules so you need to change that above to something less than 100% of the drone folks don't seem to be able....
Also flown in a lot of single engine planes and taken off and landed while seated next to my dad back in the 60's or 70's.

[hurley842002]

I'm a drone owner and follow the rules so you need to change that above to something less than 100% of the drone folks don't seem to be able....
Also flown in a lot of single engine planes and taken off and landed while seated next to my dad back in the 60's or 70's.

Don't mind him, nobody really cares what he has to say.

[milwaukeeshaker]

:(

[milwaukeeshaker]

Changed.

I'm a drone owner and follow the rules so you need to change that above to something less than 100% of the drone folks don't seem to be able....
Also flown in a lot of single engine planes and taken off and landed while seated next to my dad back in the 60's or 70's.

[hurley842002]

:(

Just yankin yer chain buddy, can't be that much of a jerky on Christmas.

[Madusa]

Maybe this isn't about drones? Maybe private aircraft are the end game and maybe the plan is for so much regulation that the independents of flight is at stake. Truck drivers are being pushed out right now with regs. Looks like the same tactics. For our safety.

[KAPA]

Maybe this isn't about drones? Maybe private aircraft are the end game and maybe the plan is for so much regulation that the independents of flight is at stake. Truck drivers are being pushed out right now with regs. Looks like the same tactics. For our safety.

Private aircraft all have to be registered in the US. Ever notice that every airplane has a number on the side of it that starts with an N? That is the aircraft's registration. A Cessna 172 and a Boeing 747 are two completely different things than an RC model helicopter that can carry a camera around. This whole registration thing is nothing more than a money and information grab under the disguise of making the public feel more comfortable when it does not improve safety one bit.

[fitz19d]

On another forum, reading how one of the bigger RC groups are having a fit. They are even saying non compliance for now. They have a 1000 acre place they have championships and no provision was made for foreign flyers. A rep I guess said they could create a temp registration that takes a few months to get filed and returned which wont work with short notice because they go from quals to championships quickly.

Not only is this affecting quads people for some reason are more scared of, but also standard heli or fixed wing that had same capabilities.

[00tec]

I'm starting to see it this way. The FAA is making a "rule" not a law, as this ACTUAL LAW prevents them from doing so.

SEC. 336. SPECIAL RULE FOR MODEL AIRCRAFT.
(a) In General.--Notwithstanding any other provision of law relating to the incorporation of
unmanned aircraft systems into Federal Aviation Administration plans and policies, including
this subtitle, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration may not promulgate any
rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft, or an aircraft being developed as a model aircraft,
if--
(1) the aircraft is flown strictly for hobby or recreational use;
(2) the aircraft is operated in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines and
within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization;
(3) the aircraft is limited to not more than 55 pounds unless otherwise certified through a design,
construction, inspection, flight test, and operational safety program administered by a
community-based organization;
(4) the aircraft is operated in a manner that does not interfere with and gives way to any manned
aircraft; and
(5) when flown within 5 miles of an airport, the operator of the aircraft provides the airport
operator and the airport air traffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located at the
airport) with prior notice of the operation (model aircraft operators flying from a permanent
location within 5 miles of an airport should establish a mutually-agreed upon operating
procedure with the airport operator and the airport air traffic control tower (when an air traffic
facility is located at the airport)).
(b) Statutory Construction.--Nothing in this section shall be construed to limit the authority of
the Administrator to pursue enforcement action against persons operating model aircraft who
endanger the safety of the national airspace system.
(c) Model Aircraft Defined.--In this section, the term ``model aircraft'' means an unmanned
aircraft that is--
(1) capable of sustained flight in the atmosphere;
(2) flown within visual line of sight of the person operating the aircraft; and
(3) flown for hobby or recreational purposes.

Since they legally aren't allowed to make a law to regulate a UAS, they create a "rule" to register a drone (or the pilot).

Now this where my foil hat comes in. As soon as you go to their website and register, you are prompted to agree to the "rules". This puts you in a civilly binding contract that gives them the leverage they need to fine you.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Drones doing this are what we should be worried about: http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a19552/the-kamikaze-quadcopter-from-hell/

[Skip]

Drones doing this are what we should be worried about: http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a19552/the-kamikaze-quadcopter-from-hell/

A legitimate concern for sure. But how will registration help? Kind of like gun control... The person who would do that isn't going to register his aircraft nor is he going to be stopped by 1s and 0s in a database.

I guess when you knowingly let terrorists into the country you have to appear to be doing something.

[TFOGGER]

http://youtu.be/L_MIA7jSBlA

If the rednecks can do this in an afternoon with duct tape, how long before someone with bad intentions catches on?

[davsel]

Drones doing this are what we should be worried about: http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a19552/the-kamikaze-quadcopter-from-hell/
Looks like we need to start sending soldiers to the skeet range.

[PugnacAutMortem]

If the rednecks can do this in an afternoon with duct tape, how long before someone with bad intentions catches on?

Not gonna lie, I will be doing this next 4th of July...that's freaking awesome.

Irresponsible? Absolutely. Stupid? For sure...But who cares because it looks like a blast

[Coffee]

[Aloha_Shooter]

A legitimate concern for sure. But how will registration help? Kind of like gun control... The person who would do that isn't going to register his aircraft nor is he going to be stopped by 1s and 0s in a database.

I guess when you knowingly let terrorists into the country you have to appear to be doing something.

When did I say registration would help? The analogy with gun registrations was kind of the point ... worry about the bad actors, not the damned tools.

[Skip]

When did I say registration would help? The analogy with gun registrations was kind of the point ... worry about the bad actors, not the damned tools.

I knew you weren't, sorry. I was pointing out the folly of thinking a registration is going to prevent what was in your video.

Seems we've skipped some basic logic in thinking we can import terrorists, register guns/drones/etc, and think we are safe ("we" as in collective "we").

Was just watching Faux News and Obama continues to push on closing Gitmo as a legacy item (still might not happen). There is a ~30% recidivism rate.

[thatdontmakenosense.jpg]

[COShooter]

I am a drone flyer and I am also currently studying for my private pilot's license. I am a responsible drone flyer, and I've also been involved with drones for over 5 years, before they were called "drones" by every Tom, Dick, and Sally.

I would invite everyone worried about drones interfering with manned aircraft to read the following article:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2014/11/27/faa-list-of-reported-drone-incidents-indicates-a-problem-but-its-not-what-you-think/#2050a1e1279e

The fear is mostly overblown by the media and the government organization the FAA (no surprise there). Outside of a very small handful of morons who are doing something dangerous, 99% of drone flyers are acting responsibly.

I am registered with the FAA for my drone, but like others find no comfort in that fact. The people who are doing stupid things will not register, and the people who want to be criminals will not register. I find the comparisons to firearms very apt, but without a constitutional amendment, I think protecting my drone freedoms is going to be very very hard.

[Skip]

Another problem drone registration isn't solving...

Drones above Bangor has Navy Base Buzzing

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/02/25/drones-bangor-navy-base-buzzing.html


BANGOR — Who's flying drones over the Bangor submarine base? The Navy (http://www.military.com/navy) wants to know.

On Feb. 8, a drone was seen flying above Naval Base Kitsap-Bangor (http://www.military.com/base-guide/naval-base-kitsap---bangor) and reported by a civilian employee, spokeswoman Silvia Klatman said.

The airspace above the base is designated as "prohibited." It's illegal and hazardous to operate there without permission and coordination of authorities, according to the Navy, which is investigating.

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Could be nothing (ignorant hobbyist or kids).

Could be foreign interests attempting to spy.

Could be terrorists.