Metalworker slays 9/11 Truther "theory"

[Aloha_Shooter]

Came across this one on Legal Insurrection. I love the way he quickly demolishes the argument that jet fuel couldn't have caused the WTC collapse.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA

[BPTactical]

"Argument is over, find a job"
LOL

[wctriumph]

LOL!!!

That was pretty good.

Find a job. Ha!!

[Ramsker]

There are already conspiracy theories on the anti-conspiracy video.

[cmailliard]

Saw it on the FB today. Pretty good video. I love the "drop mic" at the end.

[Sawin]

Hahaha that was great! Thanks for sharing.

[roberth]

Excellent video.

9/11 truthers are very nearly as stupid as liberals, unless they are liberal 9/11 truthers, then they are as stupid as anthropogenic climate change fuckwits.

[Zombie Steve]

I don't know if the Rothschilds or the Bilderbergs put him up to this, but he's in on it. I'm going to find him (or a shadow that could be him) in some 9/11 footage. I'll check back in shortly.

[roberth]

I don't know if the Rothschilds or the Bilderbergs put him up to this, but he's in on it. I'm going to find him (or a shadow that could be him) in some 9/11 footage. I'll check back in shortly.

LOL [LOL]

[GilpinGuy]

He must have used Halliburton steel in that video.

[KestrelBike]

He must have used Halliburton steel in that video.

If so, where'd he get the $10,000 in federal funding to purchase that piece?

[TFOGGER]

If so, where'd he get the $10,000 in federal funding to purchase that piece?

research grant from CDC and NIH, concerning "Gun Safety"...

[funkymonkey1111]

I'm no 9/11 conspiracy theorist, but if the jet fuel burns at 1500F, it would seem more convincing if he did the test at 1500F, not 1800F

[CapLock]

The jet fuel would burn at 1800 for how long? I think the test would have been better to drop the bar somewhere safe. Soak it in fuel, light it off. After the flames die down try to bend it. It's not going to concentrate the heat like a kiln.
I think there were kilns planted through out the buildings.....big ones. Lol.

[Zombie Steve]

I'm no 9/11 conspiracy theorist, but if the jet fuel burns at 1500F, it would seem more convincing if he did the test at 1500F, not 1800F

My thought as well, but there are more videos out there of people burning jet fuel under I beams and they collapse under their own weight in a pretty short period of time. Forget the millions of foot-pounds of energy delivered to the buildings by commercial jets hitting them at 500 mph.

[Cman]

LOL Good laugh to start the day with.

[68Charger]

The jet fuel would burn at 1800 for how long? I think the test would have been better to drop the bar somewhere safe. Soak it in fuel, light it off. After the flames die down try to bend it. It's not going to concentrate the heat like a kiln.
I think there were kilns planted through out the buildings.....big ones. Lol.

The design of the WTC included concrete columns on the outside, and there was plenty of other fuel available (besides jet fuel) to burn inside the building itself... so essentially the entire building was turned into a kiln- concentrating the heat of the fire inside the outside structure. There is information out there on how the WTC buildings were constructed... so to do a proper test, you should build a 100+ story building in the same design, fill them with furnishings, office equipment, paper, etc (you know, all the things that were in the WTC buildings)... then crash a fully loaded 737 into it.

[Sarcasm2]

[bobbyfairbanks]

My thought as well, but there are more videos out there of people burning jet fuel under I beams and they collapse under their own weight in a pretty short period of time. Forget the millions of foot-pounds of energy delivered to the buildings by commercial jets hitting them at 500 mph.
Are you talking about terminal energy transfer from a projected projectile? That is complete hog wash and should not be apart of the discussion. It could only have been bush fault

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[BushMasterBoy]

Extra oxygen from the ventilation system melted the fasteners of the steel beams, and the whole building collapsed. With enough oxygen, I can get jet fuel to burn at 3000F. Ever seen a kerosene fueled rocket?

[DEAGLER]

I guess all the steel beams in the twin towers were 1/2" thick.

[DavieD55]

I guess all the steel beams in the twin towers were 1/2" thick.

Right.

In fact the heat from the burning jet fuel was so intense that it caused building 7 collapse which was 2 blocks away from the two main towers. The official story is 100% truth and the government would never lie to the public.

[roberth]

Oh I KNEW someone would bring up building 7.

Why would Bush and Cheney blow up the building they were standing in when they touched off the charges they set between the 93rd and 99th floors in the north tower and between the 77th and 85th floors of the south tower after they conned the terrorists into flying the planes into those exact floors?

[clublights]

How come when everyone brings up Building 7 they always forget to bring up the fact the back side of the building was torn apart by falling debris ?

[clublights]

I guess all the steel beams in the twin towers were 1/2" thick.


No but the floor trusses that held up tons of material were ...

[bryjcom]

Well there you go... Some blacksmith in a garage just proved that jet fuel from 2 airplanes will make 3 buildings collapse onto themselves...

Heating up a 1/2" piece of steel in a kiln to 1800 degrees is not really the same as 1500 degree ignited jet fuel on I-Beams.



One thing I do know.... We'll never know the FULL truth of 9-11.

[68Charger]

Well there you go... Some blacksmith in a garage just proved that jet fuel from 2 airplanes will make 3 buildings collapse onto themselves...


All he was trying to prove is that steel doesn't have to MELT in order to stop holding up weight- and anyone using that argument doesn't understand SHIT about steel. I think he did a pretty good job of that.

[Sawin]

All he was trying to prove is that steel doesn't have to MELT in order to stop holding up weight- and anyone using that argument doesn't understand SHIT about steel. I think he did a pretty good job of that.

+1

[bryjcom]

All he was trying to prove is that steel doesn't have to MELT in order to stop holding up weight- and anyone using that argument doesn't understand SHIT about steel. I think he did a pretty good job of that.

Point taken.... But people all over the internet are saying this video "Slays" "Destroys" "obliterates" etc etc.

It does nothing of the sort.

[bryjcom]

My point is I'm not declaring the government had any planning to do with it... However..In my mind, I can certainly entertain the idea as one that's not entirely crazy though....

[Aloha_Shooter]

Yes it does destroy the truther argument because it shows how the steel lost the strength needed to support any kind of weight. The idea that steel girders needed to melt in order for the WTC to collapse is fundamental to the truther arguments. However, I can see from some of the responses there that no amount of engineering, science, hard fact, etc. will change some of these opinions -- in that respect, truthers are very much like Obamabots.

[Coffee]

[roberth]

My point is I'm not declaring the government had any planning to do with it... However..In my mind, I can certainly entertain the idea as one that's not entirely crazy though....

One of the reasons I don't think anything but those planes took WTC down is because the government would NEVER be able to hide a secret like that...NEVER.

Could the government have done more to prevent it, absolutely they could have. They could have forced anyone originating from the Middle East to undergo strict vetting before entering the country, the government could deport all the visa violators, and any number of other steps.

[Irving]

What's the conspiracy theory behind this incident?
https://youtu.be/lXyG68_caV4

[68Charger]

Point taken.... But people all over the internet are saying this video "Slays" "Destroys" "obliterates" etc etc.

It does nothing of the sort.

I can tell you that whenever I come across a "truther" (in any situation, not just 9/11) I try to keep an open mind and listen to the facts they present... When it came to 9/11, whenever anyone got to the part about the steel not melting at 1500 degress, they lose ALL credibility with me and I put them on permanent ignore.

I've been doing that a LONG time before I saw any video like this- I've heated steel in my garage to the point where it is annealed and becomes too weak to do the job it was intended for... not to mention that jet fuel was not the only thing burning, or MANY other factors involved. When such "truthers" cling to a theory that has been disproven, then it essentially "slays, destroys, or obliterates" their credibility. It's dramatic wording- but I have never come across a 9/11 "truther" that at some point didn't peg my BS meter.

[Danimal]

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[68Charger]

Or just post a chart that shows metal rigidity and load bearing capabilities under heat stress.

here you go: 62782

[Gman]

WTC wasn't constructed using conventional "I" beams.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center


The World Trade Center towers included many structural engineering (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_engineering) innovations in skyscraper design and construction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyscraper_design_and_construction), which allowed the buildings to reach new heights and become the tallest (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_the_world) in the world. Traditionally, skyscrapers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyscraper) used a skeleton of columns distributed throughout the interior to support building loads, with interior columns disrupting the floor space. The tube-frame concept, earlier introduced by Fazlur Khan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fazlur_Khan), was a major innovation, allowing open floor plans and more space to rent. The buildings used high-strength, load-bearing perimeter steel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel) columns called Vierendeel trusses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truss#Vierendeel_Truss) that were spaced closely together to form a strong, rigid wall structure. There were 60 perimeter columns, narrowly spaced, on each side of the buildings. In all, the perimeter walls of the towers were 210 feet (64 m) on each side, and the corners were beveled (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bevel). The perimeter columns were designed to provide support for virtually all lateral loads (such as wind loads) and to share the gravity loads with the core columns.[48] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-48) Structural analysis of major portions of the World Trade Center were computed on an IBM 1620 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1620).[49] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-49)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Nistncstar1-1-fig2-4.png/220px-Nistncstar1-1-fig2-4.png (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nistncstar1-1-fig2-4.png)

Typical WTC architectural floor plan


The perimeter structure was constructed with extensive use of prefabricated modular pieces, which consisted of three columns, three stories tall, connected by spandrel (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/spandrel) plates. The perimeter columns had a square cross section, 14 inches (36 cm) on a side, and were constructed of welded steel plate.[50] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-NIST-chapter1-50) The thickness of the plates and grade ofstructural steel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_steel) varied over the height of the tower, ranging from 36,000 to 100,000 pounds per square inch[51] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-51) (260 to 670 MPa). The strength of the steel and thickness of the steel plates decreased with height because they were required to support lesser amounts of building mass on higher floors.[50] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-NIST-chapter1-50) The tube-frame design required 40 percent less structural steel than conventional building designs.[52] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-steel-52) From the 7th floor to the ground level, and down to the foundation, the columns were spaced 10 feet (3 m) apart.[53] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-53) All columns were placed on bedrock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedrock), which, unlike that in Midtown Manhattan, where the bedrock is shallow, is at 65–85 feet (20–26 m) below the surface.[54] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-54)

The spandrel plates were welded to the columns to create the modular pieces off-site at the fabrication shop.[55] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-55) The modular pieces were typically 52 inches (1.3 m) deep, and extended for two full floors and half of two more floors.[50] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-NIST-chapter1-50) Adjacent modules were bolted together, with the splices occurring at mid-span of the columns and spandrels. The spandrel plates were located at each floor, transmitting shear stress (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shear_stress) between columns, allowing them to work together in resisting lateral loads. The joints between modules were staggered vertically, so the column splices between adjacent modules were not at the same floor.[50] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-NIST-chapter1-50)

The building's core housed the elevator and utility shafts, restrooms, three stairwells, and other support spaces. The core of each tower was a rectangular area 87 by 135 feet (27 by 41 m), and contained 47 steel columns running from the bedrock to the top of the tower.[50] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-NIST-chapter1-50) The columns tapered after the 66th floor, and consisted of welded box-sections at lower floors and rolled wide-flange sections at upper floors. The structural core in 1 WTC was oriented with the long axis east to west, while that of 2 WTC was oriented north to south. All elevators were located in the core. Each building had three stairwells, also in the core, except on the mechanical floors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_floor) where the two outside stairwells temporarily left the core in order to avoid the express elevator machine rooms, and then rejoined the core by means of a transfer corridor.[56] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-NCSTAR_1-1-p8-56) It was this arrangement that allowed Stairwell A of 2 WTC to remain passable after the aircraft impact on September 11, 2001.[57] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-57)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Wtc_floor_truss_system.png/220px-Wtc_floor_truss_system.png (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wtc_floor_truss_system.png)

Schematic of composite floor truss system


The large, column-free space between the perimeter and core was bridged by prefabricated floor trusses. The floors supported their own weight, as well as live loads (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_loads), provided lateral stability to the exterior walls, and distributed wind loads among the exterior walls. The floors consisted of 4-inch (10 cm) thick lightweight concrete (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete) slabs laid on a fluted steel deck with shear connections for composite action (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composite_construction).[50] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-NIST-chapter1-50) A grid of lightweight bridging trusses and main trusses supported the floors. The trusses had a span of 60 feet (18 m) in the long-span areas and 35 feet (11 m) in the short span area.[50] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-NIST-chapter1-50) The trusses connected to the perimeter at alternate columns, and were on 6-foot-8-inch (2.03 m) centers. The top chords of the trusses were bolted to seats welded to the spandrels on the exterior side and a channel welded to the core columns on the interior side. The floors were connected to the perimeter spandrel plates with viscoelastic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscoelasticity) dampers, which helped reduce the amount of sway felt by building occupants.[50] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center#cite_note-NIST-chapter1-50)

[clublights]

One of the reasons I don't think anything but those planes took WTC down is because the government would NEVER be able to hide a secret like that...NEVER.

Could the government have done more to prevent it, absolutely they could have. They could have forced anyone originating from the Middle East to undergo strict vetting before entering the country, the government could deport all the visa violators, and any number of other steps.


Clinton could not even get a blow job in the White House with out everyone knowing... And they are saying George Bush (whom they also claim is an idiot) is capable off pulling of the greatest crime ever committed leaving no real evidence behind? No witnesses to talk?

There were two people involved in clintons blowjob and that couldn't be kept a secret... But your telling me hundrerds (at least) involved in 9/11 and not a peep? Get the fuck out of here.

[Zombie Steve]

A great building 7 video, complete with footage of an overpass collapsing when a diesel tanker burns underneath.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFJa9WUy5QI

[<MADDOG>]

Good one to post Steve!

There is a bounty of info available regarding structural steel collapses during fire events that some choose to ignore.

Long story short, after reading the nerd studies; I'm surprised the buildings stood as long as they did with the both the structural damage incurrred by the impacts and the fires. A 35 kw/m2 non-impinging fire can cause a 12" beam to fail in as little as 13 minutes, and substantially quicker if its directly licking the steel. The studies conducted by NIST and others estimated the energy released during the WTC fires was 2 MW/m2.

[roberth]

Clinton could not even get a blow job in the White House with out everyone knowing... And they are saying George Bush (whom they also claim is an idiot) is capable off pulling of the greatest crime ever committed leaving no real evidence behind? No witnesses to talk?

There were two people involved in clintons blowjob and that couldn't be kept a secret... But your telling me hundrerds (at least) involved in 9/11 and not a peep? Get the fuck out of here.

Yup, I'm with you. [Beer]

Now if it was Cheney by himself then I could buy it........................................NOT!!!!! :)

As an aside, if GWB was so stupid how did he manage to beat algore at the supreme court and john effin kerry the war hero in the next election.

[Gman]

As an aside, if GWB was so stupid how did he manage to beat algore at the supreme court and john effin kerry the war hero in the next election.
You have to be fairly intelligent to be a fighter jet pilot, particularly in that era...and don't forget the Harvard MBA.

[GilpinGuy]

One of the reasons I don't think anything but those planes took WTC down is because the government would NEVER be able to hide a secret like that...NEVER.

Yeah, one of those sworn to secrecy would say "fuck it", write a book and become a zillionaire overnight.

[clublights]

You have to be fairly intelligent to be a fighter jet pilot, particularly in that era...and don't forget the Harvard MBA.


I'm not sayin W. was or is stupid..... I'm saying that all too often the voice that claim he was a mastermind of 9/11 also claim he was an idiot.

Which makes even less sense.

Hell SNL did an opening skit with Will Farrell as GWB joking he was running for 2016 .....


And I thought ... Fuckit .. I'd vote for him again .

[clublights]

Yeah, one of those sworn to secrecy would say "fuck it", write a book and become a zillionaire overnight.


Not so much that I think ... as guilt.

Being part of murdering 3000 of your fellow countrymen tends to weigh on the soul... someone would have cracked by now.

[legaleagle]

I was hoping he used jet fuel in the kiln. 😱