2nd Amendment under direct attack

[kevwil]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/4269 introduced 12/16 and already has 123 co-sponsors. The Hearing Protection Act only has 38 so far.

There's a petition to stop it, although who would believe Obama would listen to that one. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-assault-weapons-ban-2015-proposed-congressman-david-cicilline

[roberth]

Thanks for posting this up, we'll see how far it goes. Hey look, DeGette is a co-sponsor.

[TFOGGER]

...and the mice once more attempt to vote to put a bell on the cat. Let's see how that goes for them.

[blacklabel]

How often do bills not have the summary or text posted?

[crays]

How often do bills not have the summary or text posted?

'We have to pass it, to see what's in it."

[BPTactical]

"For other purposes"

[theGinsue]

To regulate assault weapons, to ensure that the right to keep and bear arms is not unlimited, and for other purposes.

seems to fly directly in the face of


A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


From the Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
infringe
verb in·fringe \in-ˈfrinj\
: to do something that does not obey or follow (a rule, law, etc.) ( chiefly US )
: to wrongly limit or restrict (something, such as another person's rights)

[Great-Kazoo]

We've been under attack for decades, their final push, or should i say Solution, is under way. With the massive media (internet, tv, radio, print) deck stacked against us. There are a few options one can do to counter their attack.

Unfortunately IMO the white (Sorry) Color Blind House is a lost cause. Maintaining the House & Senate are A MUST. If we as Constitutional supporters falter in 11/2016. Regaining our footing might be difficult, if not impossible.

IF the 2nd falls , those who feel the Constitution is nothing but a piece of paper that needs to be removed. Eliminating the 22nd, locking a Socialist ruling monarchy in power for who knows how long. Our country will not recover from the resulting carnage. Probably in you younger ones lifetime. If ever.

[Rucker61]

Thanks for posting this up, we'll see how far it goes. Hey look, DeGette is a co-sponsor.

I just asked her about it on her Facebook page.

[Dave_L]

Interesting times indeed.

[UncleDave]

I just reread 1984 this last weekend. I had not read it since Jr High. The beginning that discusses the conditions is getting dangerously close to the reality that we are experiencing. Amazing that Orwell wrote it in the late 40's when the liberal party took over in England, he could see where that road lead.

[Dave_L]

I just reread 1984 this last weekend. I had not read it since Jr High. The beginning that discusses the conditions is getting dangerously close to the reality that we are experiencing. Amazing that Orwell wrote it in the late 40's when the liberal party took over in England, he could see where that road lead.

I plan on reading this again also. I remember the first time I read it wondering how it could get to that point...Now, I don't think I'll be so shocked.

[scratchy]

Here it is:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/4269/text

[HoneyBadger]

I just reread 1984 this last weekend. I had not read it since Jr High. The beginning that discusses the conditions is getting dangerously close to the reality that we are experiencing. Amazing that Orwell wrote it in the late 40's when the liberal party took over in England, he could see where that road lead.
I'm reading Atlas Shrugged right now - I'm about 1/3 of the way through it and like 1984, the conditions created in the story are alarmingly similar to what we have going on today. In the book, the government's economic overreach is crippling major industries in the name of "fairness" while the people are crying out about "greed" and everyone is blindly trying to destroy the successful instead of imitate them. This was written in 1957... it seems like it was written last week.

[HoneyBadger]

Looks like an even worse version of California's super-successful gun laws:


(My emphasis added)




“(B) A semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, except for an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.
“(C) Any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment, or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun.
“(D) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any 1 of the following:
“ (i) A threaded barrel.
“ (ii) A second pistol grip.
“ (iii) A barrel shroud.
“ (iv) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
“ (v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.
“(E) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
“(F) A semiautomatic shotgun that has any 1 of the following:
“ (i) A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock.
“ (ii) A pistol grip.
“ (iii) A fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds.
“ (iv) The ability to accept a detachable magazine.
“(v) A forward grip.
“(vi) A grenade launcher or rocket launcher.
“(G) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
“(H) All of the following rifles, copies, duplicates, variants, or altered facsimiles with the capability of any such weapon thereof:
“(i) All AK types, including the following:
“(I) AK, AK47, AK47S, AK–74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR–47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK–47, VEPR, WASR–10, and WUM.
“(II) IZHMASH Saiga AK.
“(III) MAADI AK47 and ARM.
“(IV) Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S.
“(V) Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS.
“(ii) All AR types,including the following:
“(I) AR–10.
“(II) AR–15.
“(III) Armalite M15 22LR Carbine.
“(IV) Armalite M15–T.
“(V) Barrett REC7.
“(VI) Beretta AR–70.
“(VII) Bushmaster ACR.
“(VIII) Bushmaster Carbon 15.
“(IX) Bushmaster MOE series.
“(X) Bushmaster XM15.
“(XI) Colt Match Target Rifles.
“(XII) DoubleStar AR rifles.
“(XIII) DPMS Tactical Rifles.
“(XIV) Heckler & Koch MR556.
“(XV) Olympic Arms.
“(XVI) Remington R–15 rifles.
“(XVII) Rock River Arms LAR–15.
“(XVIII) Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles.
“(XIX) Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles.
“(XX) Stag Arms AR rifles.
“(XXI) Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles.
“(iii) Barrett M107A1.
“(iv) Barrett M82A1.
“(v) Beretta CX4 Storm.
“(vi) Calico Liberty Series.
“(vii) CETME Sporter.
“(viii) Daewoo K–1, K–2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C.
“(ix) Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000.
“(x) Feather Industries AT–9.
“(xi) Galil Model AR and Model ARM.
“(xii) Hi-Point Carbine.
“(xiii) HK–91, HK–93, HK–94, HK–PSG–1, and HK USC.
“(xiv) Kel-Tec Sub-2000, SU–16, and RFB.
“(xv) SIG AMT, SIG PE–57, Sig Sauer SG 550, and Sig Sauer SG 551.
“(xvi) Springfield Armory SAR–48.
“(xvii) Steyr AUG.
“(xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14 Tactical Rife M–14/20CF.
“(xix) All Thompson rifles, including the following:
“(I) Thompson M1SB.
“(II) Thompson T1100D.
“(III) Thompson T150D.
“(IV) Thompson T1B.
“(V) Thompson T1B100D.
“(VI) Thompson T1B50D.
“(VII) Thompson T1BSB.
“(VIII) Thompson T1–C.
“(IX) Thompson T1D.
“(X) Thompson T1SB.
“(XI) Thompson T5.
“(XII) Thompson T5100D.
“(XIII) Thompson TM1.
“(XIV) Thompson TM1C.
“(xx) UMAREX UZI Rifle.
“(xxi) UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine.
“(xxii) Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78.
“(xxiii) Vector Arms UZI Type.
“(xxiv) Weaver Arms Nighthawk.
“(xxv) Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.
“(I) All of the following pistols, copies, duplicates, variants, or altered facsimiles with the capability of any such weapon thereof:
“(i) All AK–47 types, including the following:
“(I) Centurion 39 AK pistol.
“(II) Draco AK–47 pistol.
“(III) HCR AK–47 pistol.
“(IV) IO Inc. Hellpup AK–47 pistol.
“(V) Krinkov pistol.
“(VI) Mini Draco AK–47 pistol.
“(VII) Yugo Krebs Krink pistol.
“(ii) All AR–15 types, including the following:
“(I) American Spirit AR–15 pistol.
“(II) Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol.
“(III) DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol.
“(IV) DPMS AR–15 pistol.
“(V) Olympic Arms AR–15 pistol.
“(VI) Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol.
“(iii) Calico Liberty pistols.
“(iv) DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol.
“(v) Encom MP–9 and MP–45.
“(vi) Heckler & Koch model SP–89 pistol.
“(vii) Intratec AB–10, TEC–22 Scorpion, TEC–9, and TEC–DC9.
“(viii) Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol.
“(ix) The following MAC types:
“(I) MAC–10.
“(II) MAC–11.
“(III) Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol.
“(IV) Military Armament Corp. Ingram M–11.
“(V) Velocity Arms VMAC.
“(x) Sig Sauer P556 pistol.
“(xi) Sites Spectre.
“(xii) All Thompson types, including the following:
“(I) Thompson TA510D.
“(II) Thompson TA5.
“(xiii) All UZI types, including Micro-UZI.
“(J) All of the following shotguns, copies, duplicates, variants, or altered facsimiles with the capability of any such weapon thereof:
“(i) Franchi LAW–12 and SPAS 12.
“(ii) All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following:
“(I) IZHMASH Saiga 12.
“(II) IZHMASH Saiga 12S.
“(III) IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP–01.
“(IV) IZHMASH Saiga 12K.
“(V) IZHMASH Saiga 12K–030.
“(VI) IZHMASH Saiga 12K–040 Taktika.
“(iii) Streetsweeper.
“(iv) Striker 12.
“(K) All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms, including TNW M2HB.
“(L) Any combination of parts from which a firearm described in subparagraphs (A) through (K) can be assembled.
“(M) The frame or receiver of a rifle or shotgun described in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), (F), (G), (H), (J), or (K).




And then there's this:


“(v) (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a semiautomatic assault weapon.
“(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession, sale, or transfer of any semiautomatic assault weapon otherwise lawfully possessed under Federal law on the date of enactment of the Assault Weapons Ban of 2015.

That basically is an appeasement statement to make current generation of gun owners happy (The "I've already got what I need" mentality) while making it impossible for future generations to own or possess decent firearms.



Section 5 also makes it impossible to transfer Grandfathered weapons, including as gifts to family. Liberty will effectively die in exactly 1 generation.

[Dave]

So after reading the text the first thing that pops out at me is, who the hell is putting a rocket launcher on their semi auto rifle? Also, where can I get one?

[roberth]

So after reading the text the first thing that pops out at me is, who the hell is putting a rocket launcher on their semi auto rifle? Also, where can I get one?

I read that too, hmmmmm [Beer]

I like that these rifles are still permitted:


“M–1 Carbines with standard fixed stock


“M–1 Garand with fixed 8 round capacity and standard stock



We won WWII with them.

[Robb]

"I like that these rifles are still permitted:"

For now.

[SAnd]

I read that too, hmmmmm [Beer]

I like that these rifles are still permitted:



“M–1 Carbines with standard fixed stock



“M–1 Garand with fixed 8 round capacity and standard stock


We won WWII with them.

$4000 Carbines and $10,000 Garands. Sounds like a good time to buy now for investment.

[cstone]

That is a whole lot of infringing going on.

I'm sure the progressive types will feel much safer when all of the listed firearms are made illegal for the non-professionals.[shithitsfan]