So those two wheeled things...

[LongArmoftheLaw]

Looking at getting my first motorcycle here in a few months. Stuck between Yamaha R series, Honda CBR's, and Kawasaki Ninja's. Any input would be great from anyone who has owned these bikes. Since it is my first bike and my experience on them is next to nothing looking at the models in the 300cc range.

Also if anyone has taken courses, recommendations would be appreciated!

Thanks!

[Doc45]

MRTC teaches their courses in Lakewood (6th & Kipling) and recently added a Highlands Ranch location. I've been through a couple of their classes and strongly recommend them. My older son has as well and my younger one will when he's ready.

While I ride a Harley currently over the past 45 years I've owned most brands and like them all.

Figure out what type of riding you'll be doing and go check out as many different models as you can. Once you've settled on what you like search out a good used version.

Good luck and welcome aboard.

[JohnnyEgo]

You will outgrow 300cc in very short order if you are an actual adult looking at street bikes. I'd start at 500cc minimum, particularly if you are north of about 170 lbs.
Take the MSRF course. It will get you an insurance discount, give you credit for some or all of the test (don't know if CO requires both written and riding exam. MSRF course counted for both in FL), and will teach you some really useful skills.
Best of all, you can wreck somebody else's bike instead of 'learning' on your own.

Buy and wear good protective equipment. Not something to cheap out on.

http://www.johnnyego.com/photography/yamaha/yamaha007.JPG

I ride my 500cc bike up to Estes Park and back whenever the weather is nice. Fun to ride the curves in Big Thompson Canyon. I wouldn't put it on I-25 for anything, as it tops out at about 80 MPH and takes it's time to get there. More modern bikes in general, and sport bikes in particular, can do more with less displacement, but 500cc is still as small as I'd ever go. Personal opinion only, but 800cc give or take is a really good displacement for a general purpose bike you aren't going to ride very often or in the same fashion as a stupid 20 year old.

[Dave_L]

I took a MSF class and it was excellent. 2 day course and you take the license test at the end. Best thing I ever did for riding. My first and only bike was a '06 CBR 600RR. Yeah, not quite the "learner" bike but being a 600, it was easy to control/balance. Everyone I talked to said don't get a small 250 or something. You'll hate it within a month and want to get the more powerful bike. I just kept it under 7k RPM's while I got comfortable. I'm glad I got the 600 because it was nice to have the power after a couple weeks.

You can find a lot of decent F4I's out there for cheap. Can't go wrong with a CBR or an R6.

ETA: My 600 would do something like 70-75 MPH in first gear and I'd slide back on the seat under acceleration if I didn't brace myself. So yeah, a liter bike isn't necessary to go fast.

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[LongArmoftheLaw]

MRTC teaches their courses in Lakewood (6th & Kipling) and recently added a Highlands Ranch location. I've been through a couple of their classes and strongly recommend them. My older son has as well and my younger one will when he's ready.

While I ride a Harley currently over the past 45 years I've owned most brands and like them all.

Figure out what type of riding you'll be doing and go check out as many different models as you can. Once you've settled on what you like search out a good used version.

Good luck and welcome aboard.

Awesome! Thanks for the info! Just looking for the cruise around town, occasional ride to Estes, and work once in awhile.

[LongArmoftheLaw]

I took a MSF class and it was excellent. 2 day course and you take the license test at the end. Best thing I ever did for riding. My first and only bike was a '06 CBR 600RR. Yeah, not quite the "learner" bike but being a 600, it was easy to control/balance. Everyone I talked to said don't get a small 250 or something. You'll hate it within a month and want to get the more powerful bike. I just kept it under 7k RPM's while I got comfortable. I'm glad I got the 600 because it was nice to have the power after a couple weeks.

You can find a lot of decent F4I's out there for cheap. Can't go wrong with a CBR or an R6.

ETA: My 600 would do something like 70-75 MPH in first gear and I'd slide back on the seat under acceleration if I didn't brace myself. So yeah, a liter bike isn't necessary to go fast.

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Definitely not looking for a liter bike right of the gate. I thought about the 600's and whether or not to start on one due the information from others I have talked to. Pretty sweet looking bike you got there too man.

[LongArmoftheLaw]

You will outgrow 300cc in very short order if you are an actual adult looking at street bikes. I'd start at 500cc minimum, particularly if you are north of about 170 lbs.
Take the MSRF course. It will get you an insurance discount, give you credit for some or all of the test (don't know if CO requires both written and riding exam. MSRF course counted for both in FL), and will teach you some really useful skills.
Best of all, you can wreck somebody else's bike instead of 'learning' on your own.

Buy and wear good protective equipment. Not something to cheap out on.

http://www.johnnyego.com/photography/yamaha/yamaha007.JPG

I ride my 500cc bike up to Estes Park and back whenever the weather is nice. Fun to ride the curves in Big Thompson Canyon. I wouldn't put it on I-25 for anything, as it tops out at about 80 MPH and takes it's time to get there. More modern bikes in general, and sport bikes in particular, can do more with less displacement, but 500cc is still as small as I'd ever go. Personal opinion only, but 800cc give or take is a really good displacement for a general purpose bike you aren't going to ride very often or in the same fashion as a stupid 20 year old.

I'm sitting at 195lb as of now...forgot to take my own weight into consideration. I've hear that most MSF or MSRF courses will count towards the actual DMV tests which is awesome and when I did some insurance research Progressive seemed to have the lowest rates. Might be looking at. 500cc or 600cc from what I've been hearing on here now and friends who have ridden for while. Not looking to set land speed records or anything on it, just want something that will be enjoyable to cruise around in for short in state trips and save some gas money in the nicer months.

[vossman]

MSF course for sure. I taught the course for 6 years and the principles are sound even though the classroom stuff is very basic. Trust and respect whatever bike you get.
if your interested in reading something, Keith Code's , A Twist of the Wrist II is a great book. His first book and video is a waste though.

[LongArmoftheLaw]

Also if you all have gear recommendations that would great! I would rather spend more on the gear and skimp a little on the bike.

[crays]

Not to intrude on anything that has been said, but I will interject this: Get a bike you are comfortable with, and will ride.
I liken it to concealed carry. You have to train, practice and be proficient. If you only pull it out of the garage "when you feel like it", you will be doing yourself, and those on the road around you a dis-service.

Glad to hear you're approaching it from a training perspective. Welcome to the community, and enjoy. Just beware that motorcycles can be as expensive and consuming as firearms/shooting as a hobby.

Ride safe.

sent from somwhere

[Great-Kazoo]

Also if you all have gear recommendations that would great! I would rather spend more on the gear and skimp a little on the bike.

1st keep your first mc under the liter / 1000cc as it's cheaper ins wise. For gear what size you wear? I have warm weather, cold weather, heated vest, full face regular & carbon fiber helmets, collecting dust.

[crays]

1st keep your first mc under the liter / 1000cc as it's cheaper ins wise. For gear what size you wear? I have warm weather, cold weather, heated vest, full face regular & carbon fiber helmets, collecting dust.
Quality gear, that fits, is your friend. It doesn't have to be the most expensive, but it should suit YOUR needs. An $800 helmet won't do you any good if it's sitting on a shelf because it chafes your forehead.

sent from somwhere

[mightiestmouse]

Displacement isnt the only thing that counts towards insurance. I have a Suzuki sv650 and its more than enough even though it's a vtwin. Insurance is cheaper due to it not being considered a "sport bike" but will definitely hang with most anything. I would be wary of 600cc bikes if you plan on long rides. They are great canyon carvers but will take a toll on your wrist if you do not have a strong core to keep the weight off the bars.

[COcz]

I learned how to ride on an R6 and would never recommend anyone get one of the 250's unless they are very small like my mom. My GF's dad did that and bought a vtx 1300 right away, she got a 750 Yamaha and did fine. You don't have to ride sportbikes fast. I like Yamahas or Suzukis or Hondas in that order. I decided after a number of years that sportbikes are too uncomfortable. I would look for a gently used fz6 or equivalent. Keep in mind that new stuff is great, but will most likely get dropped once or twice. Good luck and keep your head on a swivel.

[kidicarus13]

* State Farm is great becauae it prices insurance per engine size, not motorcycle type.

* Buy a 600cc or > and grow into it vs a 300cc and wanting to replace it come Fall. It's all about throttle control and good judgement no matter what the bikes top speed.

* Stick with a Japanese made bikes (Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki). Less maintenance and less expensive parts/maintenence. Most are pretty much bulletproof.

* Gear up every time you ride because you just never know.

* Don't skimp on tires or your helmet.

[ray1970]

You should get an Interceptor. I've always liked V-4 engines.


http://youtu.be/LujKlaRZyUk

[Wulf202]

I strongly recommend the sv650 as a starter bike. The v twins won't run away from you like an inline can at high rpm. Very forgiving bike thats light. Get the second gen with fuel injection though.

The msf course is a good introduction but it's a shitty set of rules to live by for riding. As soon as you get comfortable with leaving a parking lot start to ride with people who have been doing it a while and dont ride a bar hopper.

A bunch of us from csc took the "advanced msf" course it was a complete waste of time. Their courses are stupid for real world safety but good at teaching the basics. There is nothing advanced about that course. It's the basic course on your bike. The stuff that you flog the little 250 bikes for any normal sport bike will wheelie doing.

The msf instructors we had were good people but had no concept of riding a sport bike and were locked by the materials.

[Wulf202]

You should get an Interceptor. I've always liked V-4 engines.


http://youtu.be/LujKlaRZyUk
If they're still swearing by vtech skip it. Most disappointing honda ive ever owned

[Gman]

I've also been kicking around the idea of taking up motorcycle riding in the spring. If I still move forward with the idea, training will be mandatory and it appears that there are multiple options. I'm not planning on much freeway driving at all. Surface streets will be my friend for another commuting option.

I like what I'm seeing in the retro-styled bikes that have a more upright riding position. Something with light enduro capability sounds cool for heading back into the Platte for some fishing trips.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Progressive is the most affordable I've found. In fact, USAA referred me to Progressive years ago when I started. Since then, USAA has brokered a deal with Progressive so you can get an even better rate through USAA (if you qualify) but it's still all managed via Progressive.

[LongArmoftheLaw]

1st keep your first mc under the liter / 1000cc as it's cheaper ins wise. For gear what size you wear? I have warm weather, cold weather, heated vest, full face regular & carbon fiber helmets, collecting dust.

I have yet to try on any gear so as far as sizing goes I'm not sure.

[TheGrey]

I've been kicking the idea around for a long time- but it is kind of intimidating.

I've been looking at the Yamaha Star Bolt, but right now it's one of those "I like how that looks" sort of thing. It's stripped-down, retro, but still looks comfortable.

More experienced motorcycle riders/owners, what do you think?

https://www.starmotorcycles.com/star/models/bolt/specifications

[ray1970]

If they're still swearing by vtech skip it. Most disappointing honda ive ever owned

I was just tossing out ideas. Lol.

I do like the power delivery and low end torque of the V-4 design. And the sound. I would have suggested a Vmax but that seems like a horrible bike to learn on.
[Coffee]

I hate sport bikes anyways. Well, at least my wrists, elbows, lower back, knees, and ankles hate them.

[LongArmoftheLaw]

MSF course for sure. I taught the course for 6 years and the principles are sound even though the classroom stuff is very basic. Trust and respect whatever bike you get.
if your interested in reading something, Keith Code's , A Twist of the Wrist II is a great book. His first book and video is a waste though.

Do you still teach the course? Thank you I will look into that book!

[ray1970]

I've also been kicking around the idea of taking up motorcycle riding in the spring. If I still move forward with the idea, training will be mandatory and it appears that there are multiple options. I'm not planning on much freeway driving at all. Surface streets will be my friend for another commuting option.

I like what I'm seeing in the retro-styled bikes that have a more upright riding position. Something with light enduro capability sounds cool for heading back into the Platte for some fishing trips.

Yamaha has an SR400 that looks like a neat little commuter bike. I love the retro styling and the fact that you have to kick start it, yet it's still a modern, fuel injected design.

[9mmJ]

Jap bikes are the way to go, I put a lot of miles on my CBR. Go over to Fay Myers and sit on all the bikes they have. Get an idea of what is most comfortable for you, then go sit on all the bikes again.

After you get your license find a sport bike class that will let you get on a track. No matter what bike you ride the experience you get there is invaluable.

[LongArmoftheLaw]

Thank you everyone for your input and information. It is greatly appreciated! Judging by the numbers of those who have participated in this thread, what are the thoughts on a forum group ride?

[ray1970]

Thank you everyone for your input and information. It is greatly appreciated! Judging by the numbers of those who have participated in this thread, what are the thoughts on a forum group ride?

I don't roll with the sport bike crowd.

[Gman]

Yamaha has an SR400 that looks like a neat little commuter bike. I love the retro styling and the fact that you have to kick start it, yet it's still a modern, fuel injected design.
The bike that really grabbed my eye was the Ducati Scrambler.

http://youtu.be/K_KNmPeq8Cw

[Great-Kazoo]

I have yet to try on any gear so as far as sizing goes I'm not sure.

Easiest way to to drop by and check the gear out. Bring more hten you expect to pay. Be prepared to go home with more bang for the buck.

[ray1970]

The bike that really grabbed my eye was the Ducati Scrambler.

http://youtu.be/K_KNmPeq8Cw

That is a neat bike. I prefer something a little more retro in that style of bike but to each their own. When I get to the point in my life where I can have multiple bikes, I'll probably get a Ducati Diavel.

[Great-Kazoo]

I've been kicking the idea around for a long time- but it is kind of intimidating.

I've been looking at the Yamaha Star Bolt, but right now it's one of those "I like how that looks" sort of thing. It's stripped-down, retro, but still looks comfortable.

More experienced motorcycle riders/owners, what do you think?

https://www.starmotorcycles.com/star/models/bolt/specifications

IMO for a specific bike, check out the forums geared towards that type mc & riding. I like the look, but like a gun it's what you like and feel comfortable with that matters.

[Doc45]

Some nice Triumphs from '08 up floating around on the used market, very retro and affordable. My older son bought the first 2008 black Triumph Street Triple in the metro area when he came home from his first deployment. Great bike to ride for a beginner and as his skills improved he's been able to ride the bike to it's capabilities.

Lots of great choices out there-let's ride! Of course I can't get out of my neighborhood right now on 2 wheels so I might have to wait a bit LOL.

[fly boy]

Man up and get a third wheel!!!

62902

[Aloha_Shooter]

Thank you everyone for your input and information. It is greatly appreciated! Judging by the numbers of those who have participated in this thread, what are the thoughts on a forum group ride?

I'd be up for one but I'm a fair weather rider. I don't like wet slippery roads, high winds, or temperatures too hot to wear leather in. I think that explains why my '05 Road King has less than 6000 miles on it.

[Jim B]

Buy a dirt bike and learn how to ride a motorcycle, away from traffic, before you ever venture out onto the street.

[ray1970]

Buy a dirt bike and learn how to ride a motorcycle, away from traffic, before you ever venture out onto the street.

Thats not bad advice. Pretty much how I did it. Rode dirt for years before I decided I wanted a street bike. There are things you learn on the dirt that make transitioning to the street easy.

[Jim B]

There are things you learn on the dirt that make transitioning to the street easy.

[Awesom]

[Harley-FXDWG]

First bike and no experience??? Get yourself a cheap beater for under $1000. That way when you drop it, and you WILL, it wont cost ya much to fix. Then, after ya get the experience, upgrade to something nicer.

[ray1970]

What's with all the talk about dropping the bike? Other than the dirt bikes I've never dropped my bike.

[Doc45]

Also remember there are two kinds of riders-those that have crashed and those that will. I'm also a strong believer in a used/beater first bike. Having all the gear has saved my life and allowed me to enjoy life and keep riding.

From ages 12-18 I raced moto x and flat track. Transitioned to the street at 18 (41 years ago). I still take classes for riding as well as shooting. I also feel like a kid again every time I get on the bike.

[TheSparkens]

I have ridden for a very long time and every summer I find time to do a refresher riding course. They will teach you things about your bike, and break bad habits that you will no doubt fall into. I ride a GL1800 Goldwing and treat it like a sports bike at times. ATGATT baby. All the gear all the time. I ride across country and have never needed to remove any riding gear. I was a Paramedic for about 8 years and can tell you in a lower speed accident the gear will save your life. Be sure you can afford the correct clothing if you get the bike. Be sure everyone knows your wishes if you decide not to were a helmet.

[buffalobo]

MSF course for sure. I taught the course for 6 years and the principles are sound even though the classroom stuff is very basic. Trust and respect whatever bike you get.
if your interested in reading something, Keith Code's , A Twist of the Wrist II is a great book. His first book and video is a waste though.
This^^^^

+ a ton for Keith Codes book. Have had it for many years and read it several times.

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[TheGrey]

IMO for a specific bike, check out the forums geared towards that type mc & riding. I like the look, but like a gun it's what you like and feel comfortable with that matters.

Thank you! I'll do that. I was hoping there was someone on here that had tried one. :)

[TFOGGER]

Gimme a call, I can get some amazing deals for you on gear, especially if you're not average sized.

TFOG Wheelsports 303-216-2400

Jim

Edit to add: SV650 is a great choice for first bike, as is the Kawasaki EX500/EX650, Honda CB500F, Yamaha FZ6. I'd recommend something with minimal bodywork, both from an insurance standpoint and for minimizing damage in the event of a low speed oops.

[Great-Kazoo]

Thats not bad advice. Pretty much how I did it. Rode dirt for years before I decided I wanted a street bike. There are things you learn on the dirt that make transitioning to the street easy.

Like what, flipping a jackrabbit off?

[Jim B]

Like what, flipping a jackrabbit off?

Like learning to keep the bike upright in less-than-ideal conditions. Like learning the limits of traction without sliding under an 18-wheeler.

[ruthabagah]

Lots a good advice from good people!

Just wanna add mine: don't be cheap with your safety equipments. One day they will save your life. And, wear a helmet, all the time.

[Great-Kazoo]

Like learning to keep the bike upright in less-than-ideal conditions. Like learning the limits of traction without sliding under an 18-wheeler.

The dirt will not save you from some dick too busy with their hair, texting or yelling at the kids. Or save you when a car full of kids blows the stop sign thinking it's funny they cut you off, while sliding to a stop. Until you catch them 2 lights later.
OR save you when you get rear ended at a light or stop sign.
NOTHING WILL SAVE YOU from the unexpected, Nothing. However having as much training as you can get is a good idea.
Some people don't have access to off road riding or the budget to do so. I learned my life saving techniques in NYC riding, on a left hand shift no front brake mc.

Honestly IF i could ride again, i wouldn't. Not along CO's front range anyway. These drivers are insane, entitled don't give a fuk soccer moms.
Some even have the ovaries to look straight at you as they blow through the stop sign, light, or right of way. Like they're the only ones who deserve to be on the road. Everyone else is just an inconvenience to their daily routine. Forget 25.



Lots a good advice from good people!

Just wanna add mine: don't be cheap with your safety equipments. One day they will save your life. And, wear a helmet, all the time.

That's a personal choice and not the law in CO. I did not wear a helmet till the last few years of riding, after increased traffic AND cell phones, took peoples eyes off the road. That and i liked to split lanes at higher then suggested speeds. Having that buffer of protection was nice. Again a personal choice as an adult you must make.

[PugnacAutMortem]

I'll throw my 2 cents into the ring on this one...

I learned to ride on a 1983 Honda Nighthawk 450. Since learning how to ride I've rode my Dad's 1800VTX and and my Mom's 1100 touring something or other and I have enjoyed riding WAY more on the Nighthawk. It's just a fun little bike, easy to ride, easy to control. You can cruise around town on it easy and if you need to get on the highway it will do 65 no sweat (and I'm 285lbs so it probably could go 75 with a normal sized person). It makes me sad because that Nighthawk is in many pieces in my garage because of an ill-timed restoration so I can't even ride it anymore...

But others have given the perfect advice. Get good training, ride what you're comfortable on. Who cares if it's a sports bike or a cruiser or a touring or an endura. As long as you enjoy riding it and can do it safely then that's all that matters.

Oh and one last thing...probably the most important piece of advice...DO NOT, and I repeat, DO NOT ever forget to wave at EVERY passing motorcycle.

[Martinjmpr]

First bike and no experience??? Get yourself a cheap beater for under $1000. That way when you drop it, and you WILL, it wont cost ya much to fix. Then, after ya get the experience, upgrade to something nicer.

This x eleventy jillion brazillians. DON'T BUY NEW! Motorcycles depreciate even worse than cars. Craigslist is full of low-mileage older bikes that are hardly ridden.


Also remember there are two kinds of riders-those that have crashed and those that will. I'm also a strong believer in a used/beater first bike. Having all the gear has saved my life and allowed me to enjoy life and keep riding.



Well....Maybe not "crashed" but certainly "Dropped." I've been riding since 1982 and I've been in two "crashes", the first one happened in 1990 when I got rear ended at a stoplight by a drunk driver, the second happened when I wasn't watching traffic and locked up my brakes coming to a sudden stop. I wasn't seriously hurt in either one.

I'm also going to disagree with the people here who say a 300cc bike isn't a good starter. If you buy it used and don't wreck it you can probably sell it for just about what you paid. Starter bikes are always in high demand. As for starting on a 600 supersport, just because some have done it doesn't mean it's a good idea (nor is starting on a 900cc cruiser that weighs 500lbs.)

My mantra for starter bikes is: Small, cheap, used. I started on a 450 which IMO is a perfect size to start with.

A smaller (lighter) bike is easier to learn slow-speed maneuvers. Light weight makes it much easier to recover from a sudden change in conditions (like coming to a sudden stop with the handlebars turned.) It's also easier (and less embarrassing) to pick up a small bike after you've dropped it. Watching a NOOB trying to pick a full-dress Harley off the ground is equal parts of painful and funny to watch. ;) Not only are lighter bikes easier to pick up after a drop, they are less likely to break expensive parts when they do.

This is also a good reason to consider a dual sport as your first bike.

People who start on oversized or overpowered bikes often never really 'learn' how to ride well. I see it all the time - people "paddling" their bikes around at low speeds because they don't have the confidence and skill to be able to maneuver at parking lot speeds.

As for those who say you'll get "bored" on a small bike, there's an old saying that goes "It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow." I have two bikes, a BMW R1150R and a Triumph Bonneville 790 and I have to honestly say there are times when I think it would be a hoot to have a 200cc or 250cc bike for zipping around town.

[Martinjmpr]

Oh, and as for gear, Performance Cycle has about the best selection and the best prices I've ever seen. They used to be in Englewood but just moved, I think they're up near IKEA now off of I-25 and Arapahoe or Dry Creek. HUGE selection and great prices. And unlike a lot of places, they actually have knowledgeable staff that can help you pick out the right helmet, jacket and other gear.

And please don't be the guy who goes to Performance, tries on a helmet and a jacket, and then goes home and orders it online to save $20. :rolleyes: (Do you WANT brick-and-mortar stores to go out of business? Because that's how you make brick-and-mortar stores go out of business.)

I would budget at least ~$500 for gear. Remember that a $600 Shoei helmet that is SNELL rated doesn't protect your head any better than a $150 HJC that is Snell rated. The Shoei may fit better, be lighter, have more ventilation, etc, but the protection will be about the same (in fact, some tests have shown that some of the "budget priced" helmets actually do a better job of protecting your head.)

I'm on my 2nd Scorpion, which is a notch or two up from HJC but well below the Shoei/Arai high priced line.

When you buy a helmet make sure you wear it for at least 20 minutes to see if it fits without any "hot spots." Again, if you go to Performance they're happy to find you one that fits and let you walk around the shop with it on. It's one of the many reasons I buy all my helmets and most of my other gear there even though I could save $$ by buying online.

As for outerwear, I gave up on leather years ago and don't regret it a bit. On the track, leather is king, but consider that there is no class of motorcycle road racing I'm aware of that races in the rain. Modern nylon gear is better than it's ever been, and less expensive than it's ever been, too.

Don't skimp on gloves, either. As for boots - I actually prefer non Motorcycle boots. I've been wearing a pair of my old Army combat boots for years, they work great and are reasonably comfortable to walk in, too. Good riding over-pants that zip on over jeans will make riding in cold or wet weather much more tolerable.

[Dave_L]

I only rode for like 5 months but I didn't drop my bike once. I got it in mint condition and it left my custody in the same condition. I also probably rode the bike very soft compared to others. I didn't get squirrley in traffic, I didn't do any "stunts", etc. I only opened it up when there was no traffic ahead of me and no turn outs for traffic to appear in front of me. I rode with the idea that odds are already stacked against me and I didn't need to push those odds any further.

[ray1970]

I'm going to go out on the non-politically correct limb for a minute.

I say wear as much or as little gear as you need to feel comfortable.

For some, that might be full blown leathers, boots, gloves, and a helmet. For others, it could mean shorts and flip flops. You need to find your own level of protection that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Every time you get on a motorcycle you are putting your life in the hands of fate. Even if you are doing everything right, you just never know what the other person is going to do. Depending on the situation, wearing all of the best gear money can buy might not make any difference.

People choose to ride for different reasons and I honestly believe your reason for riding plays a big part of how comfortable you are when you ride. I have a sister in law that started riding because she thought it would make her cool. She was scared every time she got on the bike and needless to say she never rode much and her skills never improved. I bet she hasn't ridden in five or six years but still loves to tell people she rides her own. My wife loves to ride. I kind of pushed her to learn just in case we were somewhere and something happened to me she would at least be able to move the bike or maybe ride it back to the house. I didn't know she would take to it and enjoy it the way she did. She's been riding for about nine years now and has been over just about every mountain pass and through every canyon in Colorado and made the trip to Sturgis once.

[Great-Kazoo]

I'm going to go out on the non-politically correct limb for a minute.

I say wear as much or as little gear as you need to feel comfortable.

For some, that might be full blown leathers, boots, gloves, and a helmet. For others, it could mean shorts and flip flops. You need to find your own level of protection that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Every time you get on a motorcycle you are putting your life in the hands of fate. Even if you are doing everything right, you just never know what the other person is going to do. Depending on the situation, wearing all of the best gear money can buy might not make any difference.

People choose to ride for different reasons and I honestly believe your reason for riding plays a big part of how comfortable you are when you ride. I have a sister in law that started riding because she thought it would make her cool. She was scared every time she got on the bike and needless to say she never rode much and her skills never improved. I bet she hasn't ridden in five or six years but still loves to tell people she rides her own. My wife loves to ride. I kind of pushed her to learn just in case we were somewhere and something happened to me she would at least be able to move the bike or maybe ride it back to the house. I didn't know she would take to it and enjoy it the way she did. She's been riding for about nine years now and has been over just about every mountain pass and through every canyon in Colorado and made the trip to Sturgis once.

Well said.

[colorider]

Here is my story. Had never been on a motorcycle untill I was 40yrs old. Got on a buddies xr650l enduro while in Moab. Rode up and down a dirt road for an hour and was hooked. Bought a Yamaha ttr250 right after. Street legal just in case I wanted to ride on the street. Did dirt rides only for about a month. Practiced in the culdesac a lot learning turns and balance. VERY easy bike to learn on. And cheap. Got my motorcycle endorsement and rode some street. Always just in the neighborhood for about a month. Then ventured out on non busy main roads like highway 72, Simms street, and others like that. Sold it, went up to a Ktm 450. Same thing for a year but ventured out to the canyons. Coal creek, clear creek, and Boulder canyons. Next year bought a Suzuki dl-650 vstrom and kept the Ktm just for dirt. I'm now on my 2nd Ktm 450 and still ride the vstom for the long pavement rides/some dirt adventures. To this day, I hate the highways and avoid at all costs. Still have never been on i25. learnimg this way was awesome. Felt comfortable and learned a lot from fellow riders. I'm craving more power now with the vstrom, but for the price and how much I actually get to use it, buying something else isn't really smart.
My advice. Pick something that is easy to ride and comfortable. And used. You want to pay attention to your surroundings instead of fighting a bike. The guy I bought my vstrom from rode it 2000 miles in 4 years and hated it. Didn't hate the bike, but hated riding all together. My benefit was he took the new bike hit and I got it cheap. Buy right and you can sell it at a great price when your ready for an upgrade. Dual sports are a great way to learn becaise you can get on some of the epic dirt roads this state has to offer. They are by far my favorite.

[milwaukeeshaker]

2 things. 1. NOT a motorcycle. 2. Man up??? B.S. If you are attracted to these backwards tricycles buy a car.
You ain't riding a motorcycle!



Man up and get a third wheel!!!

62902

[milwaukeeshaker]

Aha, you like the Harley look but don't want to pay the freight.



I've been kicking the idea around for a long time- but it is kind of intimidating.

I've been looking at the Yamaha Star Bolt, but right now it's one of those "I like how that looks" sort of thing. It's stripped-down, retro, but still looks comfortable.

More experienced motorcycle riders/owners, what do you think?

https://www.starmotorcycles.com/star/models/bolt/specifications

[milwaukeeshaker]

Mostly good advice on here. I have found Geico to be the best in insurance. Those of you that don't know, Progressive is owned and run by progressives, hence the name

[Martinjmpr]

Oh, and be prepared for all your non-riding family and friends to tell you every horror story they ever heard about motorcycles, or calling them "donor-cycles" because they think they're clever and you've never heard that before. . :rolleyes:

[speedysst]

My first bike was a Suzuki GS500F and it was GREAT on gas mileage but absolutely NO durability when smashed against a deer at 60mph. My new baby is bigger and faster! Like everyone else, MSF course and proper safety gear is a must. 62916

[ray1970]

Oh, and be prepared for all your non-riding family and friends to tell you every horror story they ever heard about motorcycles, or calling them "donor-cycles" because they think they're clever and you've never heard that before. . :rolleyes:

Sheesh. My mom still pulls that crap on me after all these years. About the time I got my first street bike, a couple that was good friends with my mom and step dad started riding. They had a nasty accident which left him paralyzed from the neck down and messed her up pretty bad requiring years of surgeries and rehab. I think that's all my mom can think about every time I mention the wife and I going anywhere on the bike.

[Jim B]

The dirt will not save you from some dick too busy with their hair, texting or yelling at the kids. Or save you when a car full of kids blows the stop sign thinking it's funny they cut you off, while sliding to a stop.
No kidding, I never said it would. Starting in the dirt does allow someone to learn how to operate a motorcycle without having to deal with those a-holes. After they learn the basics they can venture out onto the street and worry about staying alive.

[TheGrey]

Aha, you like the Harley look but don't want to pay the freight.

Well, sure- doesn't everyone like the look of a Harley? :)

While reading through the vast experiences/advice in this thread, I am realizing that I need to seriously think and research before I start picking out motorcycles. I've never ridden a dirt bike, and my only experience on motorcycles is as a rider on the back.

[ray1970]

Well, sure- doesn't everyone like the look of a Harley? :)

While reading through the vast experiences/advice in this thread, I am realizing that I need to seriously think and research before I start picking out motorcycles. I've never ridden a dirt bike, and my only experience on motorcycles is as a rider on the back.

Not to be a whore for the company, but for what you'd pay for that Yamaha you could buy a Sportster. My wife rides an 883 and it is a perfectly nice and capable bike. She's ridden a little over twelve thousand miles on it including trips over Trail Ridge road, Berthoud pass, etc. and even rode it to Sturgis last summer and up to Mount Rushmore. She has no problem keeping up with the rest of our group on the highways and the bike is light enough that she doesn't have any issues handling it.

[TheGrey]

Not to be a whore for the company, but for what you'd pay for that Yamaha you could buy a Sportster. My wife rides an 883 and it is a perfectly nice and capable bike. She's ridden a little over twelve thousand miles on it including trips over Trail Ridge road, Berthoud pass, etc. and even rode it to Sturgis last summer and up to Mount Rushmore. She has no problem keeping up with the rest of our group on the highways and the bike is light enough that she doesn't have any issues handling it.

This is great information. The more I find out about motorcycles, the more I realize I didn't know. I happened to come across the Yamaha at about the same time I was thinking, "Okay, I think I'm considering the merits of a motorcycle and learning to ride," so I'm not adverse to other cycles. My Dad has a Harley and just loves it, but it's a heavy, HEAVY beast. I've got to do some research for light "beginner/used" bikes, and determine if it's something I would use, or if it's just a whim. I would never drive a motorcycle on the highways around here- people are nucking futz and that puts a big limit on travel.

[Harley-FXDWG]

Not to be a whore for the company, but for what you'd pay for that Yamaha you could buy a Sportster.

Although nothing wrong with this except for getting a hard time for riding a Skirtster. Seriously though, for people that are thinking about getting into Harleys, especially since ya dont really know what ya want, I say get something in the Softail line. Reason being it probably has the largest selection of OEM and aftermarket options over any other bike out there. Its not so much about looks as it is options to customize it to your riding comfort. Just something to consider if you ever decide to go the Harley route.

[TheGrey]

Although nothing wrong with this except for getting a hard time for riding a Skirtster. Seriously though, for people that are thinking about getting into Harleys, especially since ya dont really know what ya want, I say get something in the Softail line. Reason being it probably has the largest selection of OEM and aftermarket options over any other bike out there. Its not so much about looks as it is options to customize it to your riding comfort. Just something to consider if you ever decide to go the Harley route.

Thanks for the advice. I think I could handle getting heckled for riding a Skirtster. ;)

[asmo]

What's with all the talk about dropping the bike? Other than the dirt bikes I've never dropped my bike.

Then you haven't ridden hard enough. ;)

[asmo]

Oh.. and never, fucking ever, finance a street bike.

[milwaukeeshaker]

You do realize that the Sportster when it was originally brought out by the HD company was a race bike right? XLCH stands for XL Competition Hot. So it is NOT a girls bike. And yes, I have a Sportster, and a Dyna, and an Ultra.


Although nothing wrong with this except for getting a hard time for riding a Skirtster. Seriously though, for people that are thinking about getting into Harleys, especially since ya dont really know what ya want, I say get something in the Softail line. Reason being it probably has the largest selection of OEM and aftermarket options over any other bike out there. Its not so much about looks as it is options to customize it to your riding comfort. Just something to consider if you ever decide to go the Harley route.

[ray1970]

Then you haven't ridden hard enough. ;)

Or I'm just more in tune with the limits of my machine than most people. [Awesom]


Oh.. and never, fucking ever, finance a street bike.

Ok. I'll bite. Why?

[Great-Kazoo]

Although nothing wrong with this except for getting a hard time for riding a Skirtster. Seriously though, for people that are thinking about getting into Harleys, especially since ya dont really know what ya want, I say get something in the Softail line. Reason being it probably has the largest selection of OEM and aftermarket options over any other bike out there. Its not so much about looks as it is options to customize it to your riding comfort. Just something to consider if you ever decide to go the Harley route.


I'm going to agree on the Softail part. BUT.. not for the reasons mentioned. The one reason to look at the softail over the sportster............Lower seat height.
EVERYONE believes lighter (when it comes to HD's) is The reason for a woman to buy one. One thing not touched on so far is seat height. Having the ability to put both feet on the ground at stops , eliminates one of the biggest issues for new riders. Confidence of them and their mc.
IF one decided on say the HD line for beginner Take a look at the Sportster 500 & 750 line starting @ $6K

Regarding the seat height & weight concerns

Sportster (using the 500) as reference. Seat height 25.7 (Laden / rider) 28" (unladen) Weight 500 lbs (wet)

Softail "Slim" Seat Height 23.8 (laden / rider) 28" (unladen) Weight 700 lbs (wet)

The next part of buying any motorcycle is Affordability. Sure anyone can afford a $16K motorcycle (New) but is it really the wise choice for the beginner? IMO No.


Getting back on track. While the Sportster is lighter, Overall it's not the best intro mc if one wants seat height / feet on ground when stopped, instead of their tip toes. As i and sure others have seen on the road.

So. Buy for price, comfort (seat height) what you plan to do with your first mc and where you want to go with it. Want to carve the canyons, a bagger isn't the one. Want to sit on the seat for the long haul. ElectraGlide, Honda Goldwing (Hondapottamus) Trike, CanAm etc. A touring or sport touring is the way to go.
My favorites outside the Road Glide, are 1) BMW R1150RT, Honda Gold (Barcalounger) Wing. Yamaha FJ's , Honda ST series.

[ray1970]

You do realize that the Sportster when it was originally brought out by the HD company was a race bike right? XLCH stands for XL Competition Hot. So it is NOT a girls bike. And yes, I have a Sportster, and a Dyna, and an Ultra.

Definitely nothing girly about a Sportster. I consider my wife quite the bad ass for riding hers as much as she does. I even offered to swap out with here from time to time going to Sturgis and back on hers but she refused and made the whole trip on her bike. I'm not so sure I could have done it. Probably the only reason I don't ride a Sportster is the simple fact that I just can't get comfortable on one. I'm only 5'9" and average build but just can't seem to have enough room to stretch out on one. My wife doesn't seem to have that problem. Maybe being 5'5" helps somehow. Lol.

[SouthPaw]

My first back was 2003 R6 Limited Edition. Very tame, light and if you wanted and knew how it would run with the rest. Moved to an R1 shortly after (not much of a difference in my opinion when you compare weight to power ratio). Ray put it very well when he said being in tune with the bike you have. Looking back, my first bike could easily been a liter bike assuming you respect it and know that it will always out ride you. I have only owned one 600 and the other 8-9 have all be liter bikes. I've owned them all from Yamaha, Kawi, Honda, and Suzuki's. All are very well made, reliable and cheap to maintain. If you are financing it, check what your insurance is going to be as that can be as much as the payment on the bike (depending on MVR). My favorite was my '06 1KRR and my '03 RC51 RVT 1000. Currently I am riding a '08 ZX10R and I am plenty happy. There a very few people that can truly tell a difference between a 600 and 1000 and can actual use the extra ponies. I will say that my current bike runs like a cheetah on cocaine.

I could be wrong but from what I have seen, people who start with the littler bikes (300cc +/-) usually out grow them in a very short time. The earlier CBR F4I's are known to be bullet proof so they might be worth checking out.

[Harley-FXDWG]

You do realize that the Sportster when it was originally brought out by the HD company was a race bike right? XLCH stands for XL Competition Hot. So it is NOT a girls bike. And yes, I have a Sportster, and a Dyna, and an Ultra.

Just cause it was a race bike doesn't make it any better or worse than anything else. The point of my comment was to give him advice since Harley was mentioned as an option. In the end, it doesn't matter what you ride. Its not about the brand. Its about doing something you enjoy regardless of the type of bike you're on.

You will run into the stuck up snobs who think just cause you're not on a Harley, BMW, etc that they are better than you. Half of which will be on Harleys...... (Ironic)
To them I say just turn your wave into the middle finger and enjoy your ride!

[ray1970]

I'm going to agree on the Softail part. BUT.. not for the reasons mentioned. The one reason to look at the softail over the sportster............Lower seat height.
EVERYONE believes lighter (when it comes to HD's) is The reason for a woman to buy one. One thing not touched on so far is seat height. Having the ability to put both feet on the ground at stops , eliminates one of the biggest issues for new riders. Confidence of them and their mc.
IF one decided on say the HD line for beginner Take a look at the Sportster 500 & 750 line starting @ $6K

Regarding the seat height & weight concerns

Sportster (using the 500) as reference. Seat height 25.7 (Laden / rider) 28" (unladen) Weight 500 lbs (wet)

Softail "Slim" Seat Height 23.8 (laden / rider) 28" (unladen) Weight 700 lbs (wet)

The next part of buying any motorcycle is Affordability. Sure anyone can afford a $16K motorcycle (New) but is it really the wise choice for the beginner? IMO No.


Getting back on track. While the Sportster is lighter, Overall it's not the best intro mc if one wants seat height / feet on ground when stopped, instead of their tip toes. As i and sure others have seen on the road.

So. Buy for price, comfort (seat height) what you plan to do with your first mc and where you want to go with it. Want to carve the canyons, a bagger isn't the one. Want to sit on the seat for the long haul. ElectraGlide, Honda Goldwing (Hondapottamus) Trike, CanAm etc. A touring or sport touring is the way to go.
My favorites outside the Road Glide, are 1) BMW R1150RT, Honda Gold (Barcalounger) Wing. Yamaha FJ's , Honda ST series.

Good advice.

For a first time rider though, I wouldn't recommend anything Harley makes other than a Sportster for several reasons. If you've never ridden anything in your life, something with the size, weight, and price tag of the bigger bikes can be intimidating.

The Sportster lineup has many different models these days. The "custom" and the "low" model have very low seat heights. My wife is about 5'5" and has rather short legs and has no problem flat footing the bike when stopped. Her's is an 883C (custom).

[Harley-FXDWG]

I'm going to agree on the Softail part. BUT.. not for the reasons mentioned. The one reason to look at the softail over the sportster............Lower seat height.
EVERYONE believes lighter (when it comes to HD's) is The reason for a woman to buy one. One thing not touched on so far is seat height. Having the ability to put both feet on the ground at stops , eliminates one of the biggest issues for new riders. Confidence of them and their mc.

You're absolutely correct sir! Thats the whole reason why they've been dubbed "chick bikes" or "skirtsters". Because the shorter women that wanted to get into riding their own bike only had one option. Obviously there are other options but the Sportster was the only one that didnt need to be modified to fit women.

[Ronin13]

My input:
I started the young stupid way and went and bought a brand new R6 in 2004, fresh out of my first year of college. It was all well and good, sold it and two years later bought a used 2003 Honda CBR600RR. Still have that bike (despite it being stolen, wrecked then rebuilt). I've been riding for a few years. +1 to everyone who said take an MSF course- I went to Iron Buffalo up in Commerce City, great instructors, fun class, very little lecture and a TON of riding (we rode 80% of the time, with a class/video and test at the end of day 2). You learn the basics, plus refine skills if you already have them. Just keep in mind (and I worked at a dealership for a year) these vehicles are TOYS, not meant to be a primary transportation, and you shouldn't buy one if you cannot afford it.

As far as gear goes, I went through 3 jackets my first year. You have to find one that fits, is comfortable, and provides protection. Go around to one of the plethora of dealerships around the area and try on different brands, see what works best for you. Key word: Visibility. It's not enough to have a cool jacket, you want to be seen! I wear work boots that go over my ankle, solid pants (usually jeans when I'm not commuting to work), jacket, gloves, helmet... no exceptions, no matter the weather. I'd rather be a little warm than sacrifice protection. Good luck, and welcome to the addiction! [Beer]

[milwaukeeshaker]

C'mon now, you said "Skirtster" which as you well know implies it is a "girly bike" and not for the manly "he man" bikers. That was your prejudice which I commented on, nothing else. Nothing wrong with a Sportster, you can ride one and still keep your "man card".


Just cause it was a race bike doesn't make it any better or worse than anything else. The point of my comment was to give him advice since Harley was mentioned as an option. In the end, it doesn't matter what you ride. Its not about the brand. Its about doing something you enjoy regardless of the type of bike you're on.

You will run into the stuck up snobs who think just cause you're not on a Harley, BMW, etc that they are better than you. Half of which will be on Harleys...... (Ironic)
To them I say just turn your wave into the middle finger and enjoy your ride!

[Harley-FXDWG]

C'mon now, you said "Skirtster" which as you well know implies it is a "girly bike" and not for the manly "he man" bikers. That was your prejudice which I commented on, nothing else. Nothing wrong with a Sportster, you can ride one and still keep your "man card".

There was no prejudice in what I said. Was just simply stating a fact. And I even clarified that it does not matter what make or model you choose.

[ray1970]

Sort of back on topic since the OP sounds like he wants a sport bike.

While I am no expert, I have ridden quite a few over the years and I will say there is a great deal of difference in the way some of them feel and handle.

For instance, I rode a Kawasaki ZX9R and it felt like a heavy, soft handling bike with slow throttle response. Not bashing it. It was a comfortable bike and very easy to ride but really didn't have a very sporty feel to it. I also rode an R1 of the same year model and it was a whole different animal. Very snappy throttle response, stiff and responsive suspension, and the bike felt very light. Really had a sporty feel to it.

I can say between the two of them the Kawasaki would have been fairly easy for a new or less experienced rider to adapt to where the Yamaha would have been a spooky ride for someone less experienced due to the "twitchy" nature of the throttle and handling.

The R1 was a real hoot to ride for sure. Glad I never owned one. It just begs to be ridden all out. Anything that lifts the front tire in third gear if you get into the throttle a little quickly is fun but scary. Lol.

[TFOGGER]

Just keep in mind (and I worked at a dealership for a year) these vehicles are TOYS, not meant to be a primary transportation, and you shouldn't buy one if you cannot afford it.



True for some, not for others. My primary bike is my primary transportation 12 months a year, to the tune of about 18000 commuting miles each year. Granted, I have better access to gear than most, so I gear up for the weather accordingly. The only weather I won't voluntarily ride in is snow that is sticking on the pavement, mostly because other driver's are retards when the conditions get a little iffy. My current bike is a 2001 FZ1, which I have put a little over 16000 miles on this year, with a round trip commute of about 55 miles. I have customers that don't own cars, and put over 40K on their bikes in a year (mostly BMW guys, but some Harley and Japanese brand guys as well).

[Harley-FXDWG]

but some Harley and Japanese brand guys as well).

Now hold on a second! Harley is just as Japanese as the rest of em!

[ray1970]

Now hold on a second! Harley is just as Japanese as the rest of em!

Just the merchandise and accessories. The bikes are still built here by fat, lazy Americans.

Oh, and it's Chinese. Not Japanese.

[TFOGGER]

Just the merchandise and accessories. The bikes are still built here by fat, lazy Americans.

Oh, and it's Chinese. Not Japanese.

Harley has been buying Showa suspension since the 1980s. And the brakes on everything since 2008 have come from Brembo (Eyetalians!).

[ray1970]

Harley has been buying Showa suspension since the 1980s. And the brakes on everything since 2008 have come from Brembo (Eyetalians!).

Point taken.

But fat, lazy Americans still put them together. [Coffee]

[TFOGGER]

Point taken.

But fat, lazy Americans still put them together. [Coffee]

And work on 'em...LOL (see also: the "I'm too damned fat" thread) [ROFL1]

[Harley-FXDWG]

Just the merchandise and accessories. The bikes are still built here by fat, lazy Americans.

Oh, and it's Chinese. Not Japanese.

Half the parts/components on a Harley are made overseas then shipped here to be assembled.

[TFOGGER]

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[milwaukeeshaker]

B.S! B.S! Now you are stirring the pot and knew you would get an answer to that silly atatement.
May have some Jap parts like the front forks but that V twin sitting between your legs is made in the USA as well as most of the other parts. The HD company headquarters is in The USA not Japan like the rest. Follow the money.


Now hold on a second! Harley is just as Japanese as the rest of em!

[speedysst]

A good portion of my miles is back and forth to work here in NW Colorado. Yeah the brown terrors are everywhere but 46mph vs 17mpg makes the difference for me. Oh yeah, here's why gear is good. It was about 90 deg when the ride started but its mesh gear so it cooled pretty fast.
True for some, not for others. My primary bike is my primary transportation 12 months a year, to the tune of about 18000 commuting miles each year. Granted, I have better access to gear than most, so I gear up for the weather accordingly. The only weather I won't voluntarily ride in is snow that is sticking on the pavement, mostly because other driver's are retards when the conditions get a little iffy. My current bike is a 2001 FZ1, which I have put a little over 16000 miles on this year, with a round trip commute of about 55 miles. I have customers that don't own cars, and put over 40K on their bikes in a year (mostly BMW guys, but some Harley and Japane6292062921se brand guys as well).

[Harley-FXDWG]

B.S! B.S! Now you are stirring the pot and knew you would get an answer to that silly atatement.
May have some Jap parts like the front forks but that V twin sitting between your legs is made in the USA as well as most of the other parts. The HD company headquarters is in The USA not Japan like the rest. Follow the money.

Ya need to do some research and understand just how much of it is outsourced.

[ray1970]

I do know the new "Street" series of bikes are imports. At least I'm pretty sure.

[Great-Kazoo]

My input:
Just keep in mind (and I worked at a dealership for a year) these vehicles are TOYS, not meant to be a primary transportation, and you shouldn't buy one if you cannot afford it.



Get real dude. Working at a dealership or not that's the most ridiculous thing you've said (ok close to) in some time. All of my mc's were primary means of transportation.
You want a toy, buy a blow up doll. OOPS [LOL]


B.S! B.S! Now you are stirring the pot and knew you would get an answer to that silly atatement.
May have some Jap parts like the front forks but that V twin sitting between your legs is made in the USA as well as most of the other parts. The HD company headquarters is in The USA not Japan like the rest. Follow the money.

That's the only part of the sentence correct.
The Company HQ is in the U.S.A. The parts for them are from CHINA.

Look at almost any repair part from the dealer Made in China, is printed on 98% of said parts. Other items are Heche en Mexico. Former svc manager and parts dept for 3 H-D dealerships and numerous times behind aftermarket shops over a few decades.


I do know the new "Street" series of bikes are imports. At least I'm pretty sure.

Parts Ray, Parts............ That old timers acting up again?
Pretty and sure in the sane sentence. Impressed i am.

[milwaukeeshaker]

With all due respect I don't give a damn where the some of the parts and acessories are made. The engine is made here, and the headquarters (where the money goes) is in the USA. As I said before follow the money.


Get real dude. Working at a dealership or not that's the most ridiculous thing you've said (ok close to) in some time. All of my mc's were primary means of transportation.
You want a toy, buy a blow up doll. OOPS [LOL]



That's the only part of the sentence correct.
The Company HQ is in the U.S.A. The parts for them are from CHINA.

Look at almost any repair part from the dealer Made in China, is printed on 98% of said parts. Other items are Heche en Mexico. Former svc manager and parts dept for 3 H-D dealerships and numerous times behind aftermarket shops over a few decades.



Parts Ray, Parts............ That old timers acting up again?
Pretty and sure in the sane sentence. Impressed i am.

[Harley-FXDWG]

The engine is made here

FALSE again!

ASSEMBLED here, sure. A lot of the internals are made elsewhere.

For the love of god, please do your research and understand the difference.

[Mazin]

Well if you want a sport bike if say start with a 600, if your proficient in riding I'd say get a R1 or a busa. Cruisers I'd say a hog (fatboy is my fave) or a Yamaha vstar. Check out Colorado Sportbike Club, bunch of good dudes and usually you can find some deals on stuff in their Trade post, plus it's always fun riding in groups. Be safe and remember you are the lowest in the food chain when your on the road. Defiantly take an ABATE or MSF class first.

[Mazin]

The R1 was a real hoot to ride for sure. Glad I never owned one. It just begs to be ridden all out. Anything that lifts the front tire in third gear if you get into the throttle a little quickly is fun but scary. Lol.


I miss my 01 R1 because of the fact it's just a freaking animal on the road. I have rode gixxers, cbr's and the R1&6 and it is truly amazing how different each feel. The R1 was smooth riding with instant throttle to however far your wrist wants to take it. The R1 also has a little bit different seating posture that while makes you more aerodynamic it also gets the back stiff especially with a passenger. I will say however if I was to ever get another Sportbike it would probably be a busa because of the fact it's a bit more comfortable (especially riding 1 up). Plus the 1300 motor would defiantly be entertaining. I have rode one Kawi and have just never been a fan on or off the road.

[Gman]

With all due respect I don't give a damn where the some of the parts and acessories are made. The engine is made here, and the headquarters (where the money goes) is in the USA. As I said before follow the money.
So...if a Mercedes Benz is made in Alabama with a drive train made in Germany....is that good or bad?

[sportbikeco]

MSF before you start riding on the street.

Used bike like a yamaha fz6 or FZ06 or suzuki SV650 for a few grand.

[ray1970]

So...if a Mercedes Benz is made in Alabama with a drive train made in Germany....is that good or bad?

I say bad. You have all of that quality German engineering but the thing is slapped together by fat, lazy, redneck American workers.

It would be like if you brought me all of the parts to build a fine Swiss watch and then had me put the thing together in my kitchen.

Or like having Century Arms take some nice Romanian AK parts and assemble them.

You get the point.

[Irving]

Damn, sounds like the first thing one should do after getting a bike is never tell anyone.

[ray1970]

Damn, sounds like the first thing one should do after getting a bike is never tell anyone.

Truth.

[Gman]

I say bad. You have all of that quality German engineering but the thing is slapped together by fat, lazy, redneck American workers.

It would be like if you brought me all of the parts to build a fine Swiss watch and then had me put the thing together in my kitchen.

Or like having Century Arms take some nice Romanian AK parts and assemble them.

You get the point.
OK, NASA has spacecraft built like Century Arms AKs or watches built by you in your kitchen. Got it. Foreign made is better than 'murican. Got it.

[ray1970]

OK, NASA has spacecraft built like Century Arms AKs or watches built by you in your kitchen. Got it. Foreign made is better than 'murican. Got it.

Doesn't really matter to me who made it or where the parts came from. Quality is quality and that's typically where I'll spend my money.

Some people think I am the problem if I don't support American companies and products. I say those companies are the problem by not offering a quality product that can compete with the competition.

Oh, and for those who would bash me for owning foreign products, I've seen that Glock of yours. Hypocrites.

[Gman]

Oh, and for those who would bash me for owning foreign products, I've seen that Glock of yours. Hypocrites.
'Murican Glock or Austrian?

[ray1970]

'Murican Glock or Austrian?

Smarty pants.

[Gman]

[Coffee]

[milwaukeeshaker]

No sir! I took a tour of the engine factory where they took blank ingots of steel and machined them into gears and other internal parts. Watched the CNC machines making the parts for the entire engine in the USA. Sorry to dissapoint.



FALSE again!

ASSEMBLED here, sure. A lot of the internals are made elsewhere.

For the love of god, please do your research and understand the difference.

[milwaukeeshaker]

Again, follow the money.


So...if a Mercedes Benz is made in Alabama with a drive train made in Germany....is that good or bad?

[Great-Kazoo]

Doesn't really matter to me who made it or where the parts came from. Quality is quality and that's typically where I'll spend my money.

Some people think I am the problem if I don't support American companies and products. I say those companies are the problem by not offering a quality product that can compete with the competition.

Oh, and for those who would bash me for owning foreign products, I've seen that Glock of yours. Hypocrites.

I'm with you on this.

Hopefully the OP can wade through the OT bullshit and buy something that he finds best suits his needs. As long as it's MADE IN AMERICA, OR japan, China, hell even by George in Mumbai .

[Harley-FXDWG]

I'm with you on this.

Hopefully the OP can wade through the OT bullshit and buy something that he finds best suits his needs. As long as it's MADE IN AMERICA, OR japan, China, hell even by George in Mumbai .

Agreed!

Some people just dont have a clue.

To the OP, good luck to ya with whatever ya choose.

Always remember, the shiny side goes up! Happy ridin![harley]

[Doc45]

Well it's really too bad this thread took a shit and went as south as it did with this pissing match over where the different bikes/parts are made. Not really helping the op out.

Every bike maker has turned out a turd and virtually all of them have turned out great machines. And really, the same old bullshit over Sportsters??!! They are fun bikes to ride for the fans of the v-twin, yeah they're heavy and in stock form not up to superbike standards but they're not supposed to be! Kinda like a 2 wheeler version of a 1911 haha.

This is almost as funny as the 9mm v 45 debate LOL.

I never care about what the other guy rides, just ride.

Maybe over the holidays a viewing of "On Any Sunday" and especially "Why We Ride" is called for.

Doc out.

[LongArmoftheLaw]

A lot of great information from everyone and thank you for all of it. Had my uncle show me some basics today on his bike which was great. Didn't stall it or drop it thank God! After that went to a dealership just to see how each model fit my build. Have to admit as cool as the sport bikes looked I'm leaning toward the cruisers...Yamaha Bolt felt the best to me so thinking when the time comes to buy that's the one.

[TFOGGER]

I'm with you on this.

... hell even by George in Mumbai .

That would be the new Harley Street 500s and 750s, 2014 and newer. Harley's new entry level models...

http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/street.html

I haven't seen any in the shop yet, but they seem to be pretty decent bikes by all accounts...

[ray1970]

Question for the OP...

What are your riding plans? Commute to and from work as much as possible? Mostly weekend rides if the weather's nice? Touring through the mountains?

I was under the impression you were wanting a sport bike but your last post makes me think you aren't really sure what you want. A little more info of your intended use will probably get some good recommendations on the type of bike you might want to look into.

[hurley842002]

Doesn't really matter to me who made it or where the parts came from. Quality is quality and that's typically where I'll spend my money.

Some people think I am the problem if I don't support American companies and products. I say those companies are the problem by not offering a quality product that can compete with the competition.

Oh, and for those who would bash me for owning foreign products, I've seen that Glock of yours. Hypocrites.

Couldn't agree more, which is why I carry a Glock.

To add something to the original topic at hand. I grew up riding dirt bikes and racing motocross, but recently got my M endorsement. I highly recommend a good course, I used iron buffalo and they were great. Despite being well versed in riding a dirt bike, I learned a lot going thru the course. As far as bikes, I was hell bent on a cruiser of some sort, but ended up with a dual sport KLR650, great beginner bike and priced right. Good luck with your search.

[y4m4]

I guess I'll be the one to go against the grain. You had the right idea starting out! Get a small bike. The new 300cc bikes are AWESOME (reviews claim the CBR250 is/was kind of a lawnmower compared to the Ninja) and all good for 90+mph. I've ridden the Ninja 250 and 300; I would absolutely recommend it. The only two reasons I would suggest something other than a 250 or 300 are:
-If you're taller than 5'10". That's how tall I am and the Ninja is a bit cramped in the leg department. My upper body is very comfortable on it. I've been on a number of Ninja 250/300s and I'd say go for it.
-You are buying a cruiser. Don't even bother with a 250 cruiser (Honda Rebel). Hell, I wouldn't recommend a Suzuki S40/Savage 650 either. It's a dog.

If you find yourself bored during your first year of motorcycling on a smaller bike, then I'm not sure what to tell you. I'd try another hobby. Maybe dirt riding will be more exciting?

So what if you need to sell the bike next year. If you buy a used one and manage to keep the rubber side down, I doubt you'll lose any money.

Yes, I read the part about you being 195 pounds. I stand by my recommendation unless you also happen to be on the taller side.

With that said, if you find yourself on the taller side of the human spectrum, there are plenty of good bikes to choose from.
-DRZ400 S or SM. You'll have a hard time finding a more comfortable bike as a taller person than a dual sport.
-Honda XR650L. It's a pig, but is a bit more comfortable than the DRZ at highway speeds.
-Suzuki DR650. Less piggish than the above XR.
-KLR650, heavier and more comfortable on the highway (better engine in my opinion) than the above 650s
-BMW G650GS, a German version of the KLR
-Ninja 500
-Suzuki GS500 (only bike here that I'm recommending that I haven't ridden)
-Various cruisers. Harley 883 or 1200. Japanese bikes in the same size range are a better bargain and easier on the wallet when it comes to maintenance.

SV650 and the Ninja 650 are common recommendations as bikes you can "grow into," but I highly recommend going the smaller displacement/less cylinder route to build fundamentals.

This isn't to say you can't jump on a R1/GSXR1000/CBR10000R/BMW S1000RR/Ducati 1299/whatever and become a safe rider. It's just harder to do when you're always aware of what's underneath you. One more "reasonable" route would be to buy one of these newer bikes that have a rain mode and exercise a great deal of self control to ride it around in the reduced power mode for a season or three. Good luck.

TRAINING!
Please take classes. Not just the MSF, but also the advanced classes offered by MSF or other groups. Then go out to High Plains Raceway and do some track days!! Even better if you do a track school. I've done two beginner track schools and they are an amazing way to learn to communicate with your two-wheeled, mechanical steed.

GEAR
I'm into leather. I wear a 2 piece suit when I'm going on any ride that is further than 20 miles round trip. Even if I'm not zipping on the pants, I have on the coat. The secret to being comfortable is under armor or similar fabrics. Perforated stuff is good at keeping you cool IF the temperature is below your body temperature. You also sacrifice a lot of protection with the perforated stuff. I own a nylon mesh jacket with pads in it and never wear the dumb thing. Get a SNELL approved helmet. I recommend SNELL M2010 or newer since it offers better protection for lower speed impacts, previous SNELL ratings are a bit on the "hard" side. I also recommend buying leather gauntlet gloves with reinforced palms and knuckles. If you go down, even at 0mph in a parking lot, you WILL hurt your hands if nothing else.

Seriously consider used riding suits/jackets. You can save a lot of money on ebay, especially in the winter.

My story: I grew up riding ATVs and dirt bikes. I got my motorcycle license at 16 and I'm now 29. I started out on a 1998 Yamaha YZF600, the not-quite-a-sportbike thing. It was a fine bike, but it was too much for me. I didn't drop it or anything like that; hell, I didn't even scare myself on it. I just relied too much on the throttle to do everything for me. I was too timid with it because it was too powerful for a first bike. It wasn't what I'd call a skill builder. I sold it a couple years later and got a Suzuki DRZ400sm and it was an eye opening experience. It is some of the best fun you can have. I put 13,000 miles on that stupid thing before I blew it up on a race track (still have it, but haven't gotten around to rebuilding it). I of course have other motorcycles: 2001 BMW R1150GS, 2002 Suzuki SV650, 2009 Aprilia Dorsoduro 750, and the aforementioned DRZ.

Good luck and Godspeed.

[ray1970]

I've got no problem with someone getting a smaller displacement bike to learn on. Heck, I even picked up an old KZ400 about ten years ago just to play around with. Got it for $200 in non-running condition. Drained the tank, cleaned the carb, and was riding it through the neighborhood shortly after I got it home. I turned it into a little cafe racer style bike and rode it around town all summer. It was a fun little bike.

[y4m4]

Little bikes are a blast and, as you pointed out, they are cheap. You aren't marrying the thing: you can turn around and sell them at any point. In most cases you won't lose money: in some cases you might make a few bucks if you're handy.

Your KZ400 experience reminds me of an important point for new riders: these cheap 70s, 80s and early 90s bikes are tempting because of their price point. I urge anyone to be careful when considering them. You have to factor in a new set of tires, brake pads, brake lines, and fluids for them. Even with that, you're still riding around on ancient suspension and brake technology. That can be just as dangerous (more so in some cases) as a fast bike. That isn't the sort of "learning experience" that I'd wish upon anyone.

Even that 2002 SV650 I bought over the summer was a death trap with its old brake lines and crappy pads. Old rubber lines expand under pressure. The front suspension is also JUNK on it. They are horribly under sprung from the factory. I weigh 170 and it constantly bottomed out before I put some heavier weight fork oil in it.

PROTIP for working on Japanese bikes, particularly carbs: they don't have Phillips screws. They are actually JIS screws and have square corners, in many cases. They make special screw drivers which can save some headaches caused by stripped out screws. The Phillips that we are all so familiar with have rounded corners that are designed to limit the torque input during installation.

[LongArmoftheLaw]

Question for the OP...

What are your riding plans? Commute to and from work as much as possible? Mostly weekend rides if the weather's nice? Touring through the mountains?

I was under the impression you were wanting a sport bike but your last post makes me think you aren't really sure what you want. A little more info of your intended use will probably get some good recommendations on the type of bike you might want to look into.

My riding plans as of now are weekend trips up to the mountains to cruise around (once I feel confident in my skills and have had proper training) occasional work commuter, and cruise around town deal. The original post was before I was able to sit on a sport bike and then ride/feel out a cruiser style bike.

[Wulf202]

The small starter bike thing in bullshit. There's only four directions to escape an idiot and if you have a gutless pos under you you loose one of them. The guy is already twice the weight of the rider its designed for and likely a foot taller. If you have any plans to get on a highway don't get anything less than 500 cc 4 stroke. A 2 stroke is a different story and air cooled needs to be bigger (883 min). But then again I've been chased by guys who wanted to run over the jap bike...

Also starting in the dirt teaches you some habits you have to forget on most pavement conditions. If you start there you need to undo the front/rear brake priorities most times. Also most dirt bikes work great with compression braking most sport bikes dont.

The difference in 600 and liter bikes is the ability to turn with the little bike and go straight fast with the big bike. I learned that I'm too tall to easily operate the controls on a small sport bike.

[Mista Bukit]

My advice is to think hard about what kind of riding you want to do, who are you going to be riding with, where do you want to ride, are you planning on riding a passenger, do you need storage on the bike. I ride a Harley Road Glide Ultra because I want to pack it and be on the road for 2 weeks at a time, also that big, heavy trunk is handy for going to the beer store etc. This bike is designed for what I want to do with it, it won't go on dirt or keep up with the sport bikes in the twistys but I can ride for hours in comfort and enjoy the scenery. We started my wife for the same riding style on a Honda 750 Shadow, she rode it for a season went to a Harley Softail Heritage and is now on a Harley Street Glide. She is 5' 5" and about 125 pounds so it is technique and training, what somebody asks how can she ride such a big bike she answers.. I am not carrying it I am riding it. She took the Riders Edge course at Mile High Harley and really got a lot out of it.

Other bit of advice, be aware of all that is around you and think of the stupidest thing somebody around would do at any time and prepare for it, that way when it happens (and it will) you won't be surprised.

[RonMexico]

Get a 400/450 Supermoto

[wctriumph]

Congrat's on joining the family. When you fall down, no big deal, you will have joined one of the worlds largest clubs. Three things:

If you have a $10 head, go ahead and buy a $10 helmet.

Never, ever argue the right of way, you will lose and they will just say they didn't see you.

Never, ever let you best friend ride your new motorcycle. They will crash it for you and want YOUR insurance to pay to fix it.

[Mista Bukit]

Think about your desired wardrobe, Harley riders dress like pirates and sport bike riders dress like Power Rangers.

[Bailey Guns]

So...if a Mercedes Benz is made in Alabama with a drive train made in Germany....is that good or bad?

Depends...does it say "Harley" on it?

[Bailey Guns]

I really miss my Road King. I'll eventually get another. The little Vulcan 900 Classic I have now is a great commuter bike. It also looks like a RK that was left in the dryer too long. I like the bigger bikes but I have to admit it's fun zipping around on a lighter, more maneuverable bike that's easier to handle in parking lots.

I test rode a Kawasaki Concours 1400...once. Scared the crap outta me. Cool bike but way too much power for my liking.

[ray1970]

Think about your desired wardrobe, Harley riders dress like pirates and sport bike riders dress like Power Rangers.

That's funny stuff. I always thought most of the Harley guys looked like one of the guys from the Village People.

[Mista Bukit]

That's funny stuff. I always thought most of the Harley guys looked like one of the guys from the Village People.

Ouch![gohome]

[ray1970]

Speaking of riding apparel, here are some things that crack me up when I see them.

A person in full blown sport bike safety gear (helmet, full leathers, boots, gloves) riding a moped.

A guy wearing Harley boots, Harley jeans, Harley shirt, Harley jacket, Harley gloves, Harley sunglasses, and Harley helmet.

[Ronin13]

Think about your desired wardrobe, Harley riders dress like pirates and sport bike riders dress like Power Rangers.

Equilibrium?
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[milwaukeeshaker]

You forgot the Harley socks and underwear!


Speaking of riding apparel, here are some things that crack me up when I see them.

A person in full blown sport bike safety gear (helmet, full leathers, boots, gloves) riding a moped.

A guy wearing Harley boots, Harley jeans, Harley shirt, Harley jacket, Harley gloves, Harley sunglasses, and Harley helmet.

[ray1970]

You forgot the Harley socks and underwear!
Fortunately, I couldn't see those. I'd almost bet a dollar they were Harley as well.

[Irving]

If I rode a Harley, I'd find a way to have extended mirrors on my bike like it was a diesel.

[Bailey Guns]

Just get one of those little motorcycle trailers. Then you could really use tow mirrors on your bike.

[kidicarus13]

If I rode a Harley I'd find a way to make it "roll coal"

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

If I rode a Harley, I'd find a way to have extended mirrors on my bike like it was a diesel.

You mean dodge. Basic bitches have the Bevis and butthead tow mirrors.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a441/RamboZuki84/AFDF0198-298F-4991-ADDF-B56DB6DA8CF0_zpsus1qtfqd.jpg (http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/RamboZuki84/media/AFDF0198-298F-4991-ADDF-B56DB6DA8CF0_zpsus1qtfqd.jpg.html)

[Irving]

If I rode a Harley I'd find a way to make it "roll coal"


http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a441/RamboZuki84/AFDF0198-298F-4991-ADDF-B56DB6DA8CF0_zpsus1qtfqd.jpg (http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/RamboZuki84/media/AFDF0198-298F-4991-ADDF-B56DB6DA8CF0_zpsus1qtfqd.jpg.html)


LOL, yes.

[LongArmoftheLaw]

That's funny stuff. I always thought most of the Harley guys looked like one of the guys from the Village People.

True or maybe Gimli from LOTR

[ray1970]

See. Doesn't one of these guys look like a Harley rider?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20151224/cae6f0947fca51ee636fc686d5dbc14f.jpg

[ColoWyo]

To add something to the original topic at hand. I grew up riding dirt bikes and racing motocross, but recently got my M endorsement. I highly recommend a good course, I used iron buffalo and they were great. Despite being well versed in riding a dirt bike, I learned a lot going thru the course. As far as bikes, I was hell bent on a cruiser of some sort, but ended up with a dual sport KLR650, great beginner bike and priced right. Good luck with your search.

I did the same thing. Rode the dirt for years and didn't think I'd learn anything. Man was I wrong. I took the two day (plus Friday evening) MSF class and was really glad I did. I think the KLR650 would be a great first bike as well. You can do so much with a dual sport like that.

[Irving]

See. Doesn't one of these guys look like a Harley rider?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20151224/cae6f0947fca51ee636fc686d5dbc14f.jpg

You must mean the cop.

[milwaukeeshaker]

I'm missing it, Why?


If I rode a Harley, I'd find a way to have extended mirrors on my bike like it was a diesel.

[ray1970]

I'm missing it, Why?
For the "cool" factor, of course.

[Zundfolge]

Motorcycles ... pfft ... death traps if you ask me ... next thing you know you'll be buying guns ... oh ... nevermind.

[milwaukeeshaker]

??????


For the "cool" factor, of course.

[hurley842002]

??????

Apparently you don't participate enough to get it... It's okay to be out of the loop sometimes.

[milwaukeeshaker]

Yep, I'm not "looped" :)

[hurley842002]

Yep, I'm not "looped" :)

Hickenlooped...lol

[Mista Bukit]

Speaking of riding apparel, here are some things that crack me up when I see them.

A person in full blown sport bike safety gear (helmet, full leathers, boots, gloves) riding a moped.

A guy wearing Harley boots, Harley jeans, Harley shirt, Harley jacket, Harley gloves, Harley sunglasses, and Harley helmet.

What is wrong with one stop shopping?

[stevew]

I have multiple Harleys and then also ride dirt on Kaw and Husky and Honda. I ride to the mountains all the time and I ride with whatever I was wearing at the time I thought about it. Not all Harley riders dress up :) I have owned Yamaha 650's (2), Triumph's and Honda street bikes and now don't want anything other than a Harley because when I ride any of my Harleys I don't think about wind pushing me around like I did with those other bikes. Also owned a Harley Nightrod but sold it recently, it would get up to over a hundred quick with throttle twisted full but felt like that was about it and tach was getting close to redline. I don't think I have ever fully twisted my throttle on my Fatboy or Ultra, maybe I'm scared to :-P FYI I got the Ultra to make the wife happy on long trips.

[ChadAmberg]

I took a nice ride yesterday, and damn did I appreciate the heated grips and seat. Just sayin'...

I'd say one other thing about beginner bikes though. Yeah, you definitely want enough engine for what you plan to do. If you want a commuter and you're all on low speed roads, having a smaller engine for a year is probably just fine. If you want to go more long rides on the weekends, definitely the larger engine, and I think that's been well covered by other folks here. Don't forget seat height. Experienced riders can usually do better with a bike with a height longer than their inseam, but as a new rider you probably want to be able to keep both feet on the pavement without sliding forward off the seat.

However, I will say: There are still better bikes to learn on than others. There are small displacement bikes that will help you as an early rider and others that will not, same thing with midsize bikes. I'd say that a 700lb bike would suck for a new rider no matter what compared to something much lighter. Some bikes also have weird handling, are oddly top heavy, etc., that probably should also be avoided. If you think about just keeping your first bike for a year and reselling it, you won't get the "I've fallen in love with the looks of bike XYZ" feeling.

[SLO]

Its all going to depend on what you want and your mentality while learning. Most people crash going into a turn, if they crashed at 60mph, it wouldnt have mattered if they were on a 250 or a 1300.

You wil hardly hear about wrecks due to power. I have a zx10r, have had over 20 bikes and still ride 2up around town and in the canyons on an R3.

[Alpha2]

See. Doesn't one of these guys look like a Harley rider?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20151224/cae6f0947fca51ee636fc686d5dbc14f.jpg
The guy on the left rides an...Indian.

[Mista Bukit]

The guy on the left rides an...Indian.

Yeh but i am trying to figure the guy on the far right to be the policeman from Wild Hogs, not the same.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I happen to like the looks of the Victory line of bikes but their prices are right up there with Harleys and of course their dealer network is less extensive. I happen to ride a Road King when I'm riding but I'm a pretty fair weather rider -- I hate riding when it's too hot for leather or when there a high winds or slick roads (I don't mind getting wet myself, just hate the feeling of wheels slipping a tad when I've only got 2 wheels.

[colorider]

Proper gear is great for when you fall off, but it's also great for situations you don't really think about. Good boots that protect your shins are great when a rock, stick, or other road debris gets flung at your lag at speed. Jacket and pants are great when a large bug smacks you at speed. Same with a helmet. The sound and force of a grasshopper or larger bug hitting the helmet is pretty impressive. Same with road debris. I've had bugs hit my shield and helmet that have moved my head backward and were loud as hell. Had a stick kick up,tjat would have broke my shin bone.