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http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/29/california-gun-law-will-let-police-confiscate-legally-owned-weapons/
A new California law scheduled to take effect Friday will allow the police to seize private, legally-owned weapons for up to three weeks without charges or allowing the citizen to contest the seizure.AB1014 (https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB1014) was passed last year in the wake of 2014’s Isla Vista shooting, where teenager Elliot Rodger went on a rampage near the campus of the University of California, Santa Barbara, killing six people along with himself.
Rodger’s parents had reported him to the police prior to the shooting, concerned about his mental health and rants he posted online. But after meeting with Rodger, police decided he wasn’t a criminal risk, and consequently didn’t search his apartment, where he was stockpiling weapons and ammunition.
The new law is intended to stop such a situation from re-occurring. Under the law, a judge has the power to grant a restraining order telling police to seize a person’s guns, based solely on accounts from family members or police that the person is poses an imminent danger to others. The restraining order can be granted without the affected person knowing it exists or being allowed time to contest it.
Under the law, the factors a judge can consider in granting the restraining order include not only threats of violence, but also prior felony arrests (even without a conviction), evidence of alcohol abuse, and even the simple act of recently purchasing a gun or ammunition.
more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/29/california-gun-law-will-let-police-confiscate-legally-owned-weapons/#ixzz3vq5GeJIv
Aloha_Shooter
12-30-2015, 15:00
Yep, modern Californians never bother letting facts get in the way of their feelings.
after meeting with Rodger, police decided he wasn’t a criminal risk
So when exactly would they have seized his weapons if they decided he wasn't even worth searching? They'd at least have a weak argument if the police had decided he was a menace and searched but were unable to seize his weapons because of the law but they didn't. Yet another reason I avoid Kommiepornia.
Has any legislator in Kali ever actually read the bill of rights? I can't see this even passing cursory scrutiny in any reasonable court under 4th Amendment grounds. Unfortunately, "reasonable" courts are few and far between these days.
buffalobo
12-30-2015, 15:25
Another step on the path...
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HoneyBadger
12-30-2015, 15:47
Under the law, a
judge has the power to grant a restraining order telling police to seize a person’s guns,
Wait, what? A judge has the POWER to GRANT anything? From where does this power come? This sounds like feudalism.
Lets see here: We're going to allow the state to take away a person's guns because they might commit a crime with them? Are we going to also prevent people from driving because they might cause an accident? Are we going to also end all forms of immigration because immigrants might commit crimes? Since when is everyone okay with the state limiting peoples' behavior (and in this case, their rights) based on what the individual might do? Sooner or later, garbage like this might spark a violent revolution.
So much for Due Process... Fuck this state!
Has any legislator in Kali ever actually read the bill of rights? I can't see this even passing cursory scrutiny in any reasonable court under 4th Amendment grounds. Unfortunately, "reasonable" courts are few and far between these days.
It's dead, Jim.
This "law" was specifically created as an end-run around involuntary commitment which gives the respondent due process at a hearing (and the ability to hire council). In fact, I'm surprised the "law" limits it to family members. I would have expected it to be as broad as possible to include anonymous tips.
Great-Kazoo
12-30-2015, 16:42
It's dead, Jim.
This "law" was specifically created as an end-run around involuntary commitment which gives the respondent due process at a hearing (and the ability to hire council). In fact, I'm surprised the "law" limits it to family members. I would have expected it to be as broad as possible to include anonymous tips.
Hidden away in the law it gives Medical "professionals" (anyone involved in the field) the ability to contact LE's under the guise of Health, Life & Safety.
Based on (Ready for it?) Said person to "feel" a patient "MAY BE a potential risk to the general public" IMO that falls under the Physicians ability to inquire about firearms in the Home.
It's the new D.A.R.E PROGRAM. All done (once again) through the medical field, to subvert Due Process and the Constitution. Is anyone actually surprised by this? It's happened in NY (SAFE ACT) AND expect to see it hidden in some obscure bill up for vote in your state.
Financing Provided by Backdoor Bloomberg. It's Only Dark Money if anyone other than Democrats do it.
So much for Due Process... Fuck this state!
Better take it easy with the online rants....
RblDiver
12-30-2015, 17:18
“The law gives us a vehicle to cause the person to surrender their weapons, to have a time out, if you will,” Los Angeles Police Department Assistant Chief Michael Moore told a local NPR affiliate.
Liberals love to treat everyone like unruly children.
...and if something happens to someone during a "time out"...who is stepping up to take responsibility?
trlcavscout
12-30-2015, 17:51
Illegal search and seizure because he said she said? So it also allows illegal searches to find said guns and ammo. So I get mad at someone and call the coppers and say he threatened me and the cops go search his house and take his stuff, sounds like a win win for California.
theGinsue
12-30-2015, 18:17
sounds like a win win for California.
Just not for its citizens.
I bet the police hate this. I feel pretty confident that police have better things to do than going all over town and collecting guns and temporarily storing them, for free, only to have to give them back the weeks later. I've got more to say but I'm sure everyone else will cover those same points.
Just not for its subjects.
FIFY
This is a horrible thing, to be put at the mercy of any person because of whim, perception or emotion. It'll be here in a couple of years.
Great-Kazoo
12-30-2015, 19:30
FIFY
This is a horrible thing, to be put at the mercy of any person because of whim, perception or emotion. It'll be here in a couple of years.
YEARS ? If You See Something, Say Something
With open carry now legal in TX. The Bloombird drones are poised to call 911, every time they see a person OC. Their mentality being If 911 is called, sooner or later the cops will "demand" OC law be revoked. Claiming it takes personnel away from a real Emergency .
Typical tattlers. Am Too, Am NOT! MOMMeeeeeeeeeeeeee he pulled my hair.
Well, the Denver Museum announced today that people with CHP may carry at the museum.
Illegal search and seizure because he said she said? So it also allows illegal searches to find said guns and ammo. So I get mad at someone and call the coppers and say he threatened me and the cops go search his house and take his stuff, sounds like a win win for a rival.
Raise the alarm and have their weapons taken away, then steamroll over them now that they can't fight back.
Rooskibar03
12-30-2015, 20:48
There is no job that pays enough for me to consider ever living in Cali.
HoneyBadger
12-30-2015, 22:49
There is no job that pays enough for me to consider ever living in Cali.
Tell me about it... I didn't exactly have THIS in mind when I signed up.
wctriumph
12-30-2015, 23:21
Well, the Denver Museum announced today that people with CHP may carry at the museum.
Yes they did and I sent them a thank you note and left a positive message on their Facebook page too.
TEAMRICO
12-31-2015, 00:41
I have been here in CA for two weeks and CAN NOT WAIT TO LEAVE this Saturday!!!!!!
68Charger
12-31-2015, 08:42
If this DOESN'T blow up in their face (by a case where the law is abused by someone) or get struck down as unconstitutional, it's only a matter of time before the same law is here in Colorado.
ETA: We're not that far off- at least we still have due process... If someone can get a restraining order issued on you, the police can take away your stuff.
I bet the police hate this. I feel pretty confident that police have better things to do than going all over town and collecting guns and temporarily storing them, for free, only to have to give them back the weeks later. I've got more to say but I'm sure everyone else will cover those same points.
And do you then fail the mandatory bgc, to retrieve your legal firearms, due to the police confiscating your firearms? i.e. " The police confiscated his forearms, so he MUST be a 'prohibited person' ".
sent from somwhere
That is an excellent question.
Great-Kazoo
12-31-2015, 10:14
I have been here in CA for two weeks and CAN NOT WAIT TO LEAVE this Saturday!!!!!!
AS cold as it's been i'm ready for a few months off the coast of central CA, myself.
Whats sad is ...There are parts of CA, you'd be hard pressed to find people who don't like guns. Unfortunately like Boulder & Denver here. LA, SF and other large urban areas have fucked it up. In the name of SAFETY, of course.
REMEMBER: IT'S THE GUN NOT THE CRIMINAL, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
AS cold as it's been i'm ready for a few months off the coast of central CA, myself.
Whats sad is ...There are parts of CA, you'd be hard pressed to find people who don't like guns. Unfortunately like Boulder & Denver here. LA, SF and other large urban areas have fucked it up. In the name of SAFETY, of course.
REMEMBER: IT'S THE GUN NOT THE CRIMINAL, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
Ya, an inanimate object is the problem.
Great-Kazoo
12-31-2015, 10:58
Ya, an inanimate object is the problem.
To a lot of folks, unfortunately it is. Naturally common sense means neither.
To a lot of folks, unfortunately it is. Naturally common sense means neither.
A number of reasons for that which I won't go into here unless you guys want a BIG rant that will absolutely crucify every commie-loving liberal idiot on this board.
Great-Kazoo
12-31-2015, 12:17
A number of reasons for that which I won't go into here unless you guys want a BIG rant that will absolutely crucify every commie-loving liberal idiot on this board.
NEW RANT, NEW YEAR. DO EET.
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[Beer] LOL
Nah, the "pro-gun" liberals already know who they are. I don't need crush their "feels" again.
theGinsue
12-31-2015, 12:28
A number of reasons for that which I won't go into here unless you guys want a BIG rant that will absolutely crucify every commie-loving liberal idiot on this board.
Post it. I'll read it. I've got nothing else to do.
Great-Kazoo
12-31-2015, 12:29
Post it. I'll read it. I've got nothing else to do.
Not yet, anyway.
Zundfolge
12-31-2015, 12:33
If this DOESN'T blow up in their face (by a case where the law is abused by someone) or get struck down as unconstitutional, it's only a matter of time before the same law is here in Colorado.
ETA: We're not that far off- at least we still have due process... If someone can get a restraining order issued on you, the police can take away your stuff.
It seems to me that this new year will be the final test for Colorado. We either return to being the free state everyone knows and loves, or we become East California. Either way, this is the last year we can save the state.
buffalobo
12-31-2015, 12:55
Post it. I'll read it. I've got nothing else to do.
+1, then we can bicker about it. Since we have so much of that.
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Post it. I'll read it. I've got nothing else to do.
Yep, the ground is too frozen to bury guns. I guess I'll just sit inside and keep packing them in cosmoline. I'm hoping for warmer weather before this wave of stupid arrives in the Colorado legislation.
A number of reasons for that which I won't go into here unless you guys want a BIG rant that will absolutely crucify every commie-loving liberal idiot on this board.
BRING IT!!!
Zundfolge
12-31-2015, 13:58
Yep, the ground is too frozen to bury guns. I guess I'll just sit inside and keep packing them in cosmoline. I'm hoping for warmer weather before this wave of stupid arrives in the Colorado legislation.
There is this foolish myth in 2A circles that there is this magical time between "time to bury them" and "time to use them" ... no, when you come across the "time to bury them" that is by definition the time to use them.
HoneyBadger
12-31-2015, 14:03
A number of reasons for that which I won't go into here unless you guys want a BIG rant that will absolutely crucify every commie-loving liberal idiot on this board.
YES PLEASE!!!
[Coffee]
Post it. I'll read it. I've got nothing else to do.
+1, then we can bicker about it. Since we have so much of that.
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I'd like to end the year on a positive note instead of ripping the face off some perennially stupid liberal/communist/(D) idiots and their equally ignorant notions about the economy, environment, capitalism, liberty, freedom, and our God-given basic human rights.
Plus I just got back from Yak-and-Yeti where I consumed 2 glasses of highly caffeinated, delicious iced chai so I'm in low earth orbit with my super-hyper-ADD.
buffalobo
12-31-2015, 14:23
I'd like to end the year on a positive note instead of ripping the face off some perennially stupid liberal/communist/(D) idiots and their equally ignorant notions about the economy, environment, capitalism, liberty, freedom, and our God-given basic human rights.
Plus I just got back from Yak-and-Yeti where I consumed 2 glasses of highly caffeinated, delicious iced chai so I'm in low earth orbit with my super-hyper-ADD.
Oh sure, just gotta be a good guy.
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I'd like to end the year on a positive note instead of ripping the face off some perennially stupid liberal/communist/(D) idiots and their equally ignorant notions about the economy, environment, capitalism, liberty, freedom, and our God-given basic human rights.
I'm conflicted and confused by your statement.
I'm conflicted and confused by your statement.
I told ya, I'm higher than a kite on caffeine. I think I need to peel myself off the ceiling, go outside and walk/jog around for a couple of hours.
Questions.
If we could talk to the victims of those 2 ISIS fucks in San Bernadino do you think they'd want the option of being armed so they could have defended themselves?
How many of the victims voted to disarm themselves?
What responsibility do the victims have for their own demise due to their voting record?
sellersm
12-31-2015, 15:02
And do you then fail the mandatory bgc, to retrieve your legal firearms, due to the police confiscating your firearms? i.e. " The police confiscated his forearms, so he MUST be a 'prohibited person' ".
sent from somwhere
Once again, I bring this up: anyone ever read the play, "The Bald Soprano"? Find out what the Fireman does when he shows up at the apartment...
Questions.
If we could talk to the victims of those 2 ISIS fucks in San Bernadino do you think they'd want the option of being armed so they could have defended themselves?
How many of the victims voted to disarm themselves?
What responsibility do the victims have for their own demise due to their voting record?
That's an amazingly simplistic view.
That's like blaming the people on this site for Hickenlooper being elected or for magazine limits.
The system in CA has been twisted to dilute the votes of the conservatives in the state. Not everyone in CA has asked for what they're getting. The eastern side of the state is actually quite conservative.
Most of the country is being dictated to by liberals in populous, primarily coastal, metropolitan areas.
ETA: Corrected my west to east...I'm having an 'interesting' afternoon.
Questions.
If we could talk to the victims of those 2 ISIS fucks in San Bernadino do you think they'd want the option of being armed so they could have defended themselves?
One guy is already on record as saying he wished that he had a gun while he was trapped in the restroom.
Great-Kazoo
12-31-2015, 15:37
The system in CA has been twisted to dilute the votes of the conservatives in the state. Not everyone in CA has asked for what they're getting. The central part of the state is actually quite conservative.
Most of the country is being dictated to by liberals in populous, primarily coastal, metropolitan areas.
How True
Great-Kazoo
12-31-2015, 15:38
I told ya, I'm higher than a kite on caffeine. I think I need to peel myself off the ceiling, go outside and walk/jog around for a couple of hours.
So you can call me and discus politics etc, get me riled up then you hang up
BUT................. BECAUSE YOU'RE MAKING EXCUSES WE NEED TO GIVE YOU A PASS
DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ;)
So you can call me and discus politics etc, get me riled up then you hang up
BUT................. BECAUSE YOU'RE MAKING EXCUSES WE NEED TO GIVE YOU A PASS
DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ;)
[LOL]
wctriumph
12-31-2015, 16:55
I'm waiting.
That's an amazingly simplistic view.
Yup, because it is that simple. Personal responsibility is a hell of a thing.
Zundfolge
12-31-2015, 17:10
The system in CA has been twisted to dilute the votes of the conservatives in the state. Not everyone in CA has asked for what they're getting. The western side of the state is actually quite conservative.
I think you meant Eastern side ... but your point still stands.
I'm of two minds on the issue. On the one hand its pretty clear that the political system in CA is hopelessly and likely irreversibly rigged in favor of one party over the other, but its not like you can't still pack up and move. CO may very well be becoming as rigged but hopefully the over reach by the Dems on gun control here will be their undoing and we can reverse the leftward push. Maybe we can, maybe we can't, but if we can't I certainly have no intention of staying here and spending the rest of my life fighting a losing battle and not being able to enjoy whatever diminishing rights I have left as an American by staying.
Of course at some point the left will win nationally (I no longer think that we'll ever see a return to sound money, conservative values or our constitution without bloodshed, either by war or some other catastrophe) and when that day comes I guess I'll shoot the first JBTs they send for me and be ended by their surviving comrades and that will be that.
And on that cheerful note; Happy New Year All! :D
I think you meant Eastern side ... but your point still stands.
I did, thanks for catching that.
Based on all of the out of state plates I've been seeing this past year, I don't think those are conservatives coming here for legal pot. [Coffee]
I think this state is just circling the bowl.
68Charger
12-31-2015, 17:23
Based on all of the out of state plates I've been seeing this past year, I don't think those are conservatives coming here for legal pot. [Coffee]
They could be- to sell it... you know, emerging market and all.
but yeah, I agree it hasn't done anything to improve the demographic... we should work to get a re-criminalization on the ballot... now they're all too stoned to show up to vote, right? [Coffee]
hollohas
12-31-2015, 17:58
(snip)... but if we can't I certainly have no intention of staying here and spending the rest of my life fighting a losing battle and not being able to enjoy whatever diminishing rights I have left as an American by staying.... (snip)
Fewer and fewer places to pack up and leave to. If we keep giving up ground (literally) there really isn't going to be any chance to fight back. As much as it sucks living in a state that's turning dark blue, turning it over to the socialists completely is even worse.
At some point in our future, the true Constitution loving Americans still living in enemy controlled territory will be extremely helpful.
That said, patriot stronghold states are vital. We can't lose the few we have left either.
California maybe lost politically, but demographically they are better off than many of the eastern states. Many true red blooded Americans still living in CA.
wctriumph
12-31-2015, 18:37
Minutes ago, the rabidly anti-gun California Attorney General Kamala Harris -- and longtime San Francisco liberal buddy of Gavin Newsom -- issued the title and summary for the most radical and dangerous anti-gun ballot initiative in over 30 years (http://firearmspolicy.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7b69d67922f8e32ca499bb6b7&id=b45b11993b&e=6314cfd134).
A title and summary is supposed to be a clear, unbiased analysis of what the initiative does so that voters can understand what they're choosing when they cast their ballots.
But that's not what the voters are getting here.
Kamala Harris did her partner in progressivism Gavin Newsom a huge favor by issuing one of the weakest summaries we have seen in some time (http://firearmspolicy.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7b69d67922f8e32ca499bb6b7&id=259d45d2b2&e=6314cfd134).
Thanks to Kamala Harris, Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom is now 1/3 of the way done with destroying what is left of the Second Amendment in California. We need your help NOW (http://firearmspolicy.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7b69d67922f8e32ca499bb6b7&id=88a8724f60&e=6314cfd134).
Here's what Gavin's anti-gun ballot initiative (http://firearmspolicy.us7.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=7b69d67922f8e32ca499bb6b7&id=92ae8ed904&e=6314cfd134) will really do:
· BAN all standard ("high-capacity") magazines...even "grandfathered" mags
· BAN online and mail order / catalog ammunition direct purchases
· BAN the importation of ammunition purchased out-of-state
· DESTROY virtually all small business ammo retailers with insane new regulations
· CRIMINALIZE the sharing of ammunition between friends
· MANDATE a new $50 DOJ "ammunition purchase permit"
REQUIRE that ammunition sales are recorded in a new gun owner database
Zundfolge
12-31-2015, 19:38
Fewer and fewer places to pack up and leave to. If we keep giving up ground (literally) there really isn't going to be any chance to fight back. As much as it sucks living in a state that's turning dark blue, turning it over to the socialists completely is even worse.
At some point in our future, the true Constitution loving Americans still living in enemy controlled territory will be extremely helpful.
I understand ... but the good Lord saw fit to bless me and the Mrs with childlessness so I'm no longer fighting for the future ... shit just has to hold together long enough for me to last ... or get to the point where driving a Ryder truck to oblivion doesn't seem like a bad option.
California maybe lost politically, but demographically they are better off than many of the eastern states. Many true red blooded Americans still living in CA.
Poor bastards. Maybe if they'd move here instead of their pot addled demonrat neighbors we could save this place (no, I haven't given up hope completely, but I refuse to be too optimistic lest I get burned by reality once again).
But hell, when Mrs Z and I fled the state of our birth back in ought-two, Kathleen Sibelius (yes, Madame Obamacare herself) was on the cusp of being the new Governess ... CCW was completely illegal (with no change in sight) and it surely looked like the whole state was going to look like effin' Lawrence (KS's Boulder) within a decade. Now Sam Brownback is Governor they have Constitutional Carry and you can hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth of the libtards from here. So maybe we'll soon look back on Dick-In-Pooper's reign of terror and the Gill Foundation insurrection-of-buggery-and-socialism and laugh.
Wonderful, the democraps are having continued success in disarming the law abiding citizens just in time for the expansion of worldwide terrorism. If this works out for the democraps, maybe now the majority of terrorist won't have to stay in Europe. The will have some nice easy soft targets here in the states. At least all the criminals won't have to fear for their lives because they will still be well armed.
Zundfolge
12-31-2015, 21:13
Wonderful, the democraps are having continued success in disarming the law abiding citizens just in time for the expansion of worldwide terrorism.
You just pointed to their undoing.
This is the beauty of the timing ... historically gun control hurts Dems pretty much every time they have some success. Couple that with the most pro-gun sentiment among the populace since the 1770s AND world events that legitimately illustrate the wisdom of an armed populace and the Dems may very well be slicing their own throats with rusty razors here.
I'm generally a pessimist and even I feel good about the future of gun rights (at least outside of demonrat strongholds like CA, NY, NJ ... the future of CO is yet to be determined, but this year it will be determined).
.. or get to the point where driving a Ryder truck to oblivion doesn't seem like a bad option.
I hate to break this to you, but you'll have to go with a different rental company and hope it actually doesn't break down before you reach oblivion.
HoneyBadger
12-31-2015, 21:44
. At least all the criminals won't have to fear for their lives because they will still be well armed.
Almost makes you want to be a criminal...
Aloha_Shooter
12-31-2015, 22:50
Tell me about it... I didn't exactly have THIS in mind when I signed up.
MY Form 99 geographic preference stated anywhere but Kommiepornia ... turned down 2 job offers on active duty and 1 when I retired because of the location.
HoneyBadger
12-31-2015, 23:16
MY Form 99 geographic preference stated anywhere but Kommiepornia ... turned down 2 job offers on active duty and 1 when I retired because of the location.
I literally asked the assignment team in writing not to send me here. F&^$!
I have a feeling a lot of Californians are going to be having unfortunate boating accidents.
Hope the boats can pass a background check.
I get the feeling the number of criminals will only go up with the enactment of these useless laws. The new laws will create a new class of previously law abiding criminals. In reading the list of guns on the new "Assault Weapons Ban 2015" they should call it what it is, "The Self Defense Weapons Ban 2015". I really wish the Supreme Court would at the very least rule on the definition of the word "Infringed". Because it must be different than my definition by a mile.
I get the feeling the number of criminals will only go up with the enactment of these useless laws. The new laws will create a new class of previously law abiding criminals. In reading the list of guns on the new "Assault Weapons Ban 2015" they should call it what it is, "The Self Defense Weapons Ban 2015". I really wish the Supreme Court would at the very least rule on the definition of the word "Infringed". Because it must be different than my definition by a mile.
I think we're lucky they haven't.
The current USSC redefined the word "state" (written in 2010) to mean any level/form of government to keep Zerocare going. I'd hate to see them define the word infringed. Unless of course it's in the context of gay marriage.
I bet the police hate this. I feel pretty confident that police have better things to do than going all over town and collecting guns and temporarily storing them, for free, only to have to give them back the weeks later. I've got more to say but I'm sure everyone else will cover those same points.
I'm sure no-one will get their guns back easily regardless what the law says.
Mike
HoneyBadger
01-01-2016, 15:34
Due process... hearing... riiiiight.
Here in Colorado, for instance, it took us three fucking years to get one hearing when a Colorado State Court personally involved themselves to assist a thief and seized property ex-parte soley on the promise (or rather lie) of a private citizen to own it, unsupported in any evidence, without so much as service of process. Oh, the Supreme Court long ago ruled that kind of thing unconstitutional (Fuentes v. Shevin, 407 US 67, 1972). Doesn't matter. It still happens. Colorado Court Rules explicitly forbid it, but doesn't matter, it still happens. Both the US Supremen and CO Supreme Court long ago also ruled that a hearing that is constitutionally mandated prior to seizure (much less delivery). Doesn't matter, this shit still happens, even (especially) HERE IN COLORADO.
Believe it or not the CA bill is already prohibited by the Supreme Court and various other precedence, but it doesn't matter. When it comes right down to it, Judges can and will do whatever they want with impunity and immunity (even as far as ordering a bailiff to go to your house and kick your ass, or removing your organs without your say if it comes right down to it, both real examples btw), the good-ol-boys will always cover each others back, and civil rights will always be damned. Due process died a long time ago. A constitutional republic is a mirage, it doesn't exist anymore.
[gohome]
Zundfolge
01-01-2016, 16:24
Almost makes you want to be a criminal...
Don't worry, we all will be sooner or later.
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