DL is in the mail can I use my passport?

[drift_g35]

My DL expired and the replacement is in the mail. I have 3 items on their way to Ark that should be there today or tomorrow. Can I use my valid passport/ccw(no address) to do my bgc with my habitat stamp or vehicle registration. I looked at what the paperwork says but I wasn't 100% sure I understood it completely. My searches here also turned up mixed results.


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[Great-Kazoo]

Shouldn't be an issue. I'd call ark for clarification

[Martinjmpr]

When you applied for your DL renewal, did they give you a printout of a "temporary license?" If so, that plus your old DL should be enough.

If you renewed online, it should have given you the option to print out your temporary, which is basically just something that says you applied for your DL and that it should be arriving soon. That should be sufficient but ultimately it will be up to whether the FFL wants to accept it. Probably not a bad idea to bring your passport along just in case, even though the passport doesn't establish residency, it does establish your identity for identification purposes.

[drift_g35]

Colorado doesn't issue temporary documents anymore according to their site. I don't remember seeing the option either.


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[Martinjmpr]

Colorado doesn't issue temporary documents anymore according to their site. I don't remember seeing the option either.


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I renewed mine last Thursday and they gave me a piece of paper that reads "Colorado Temporary Document." Has my address, etc. Says it's valid for 30 days.

I guess if it comes down to it you could wait until your DL comes in. I'm still waiting on mine but it hasn't been a week yet.

[drift_g35]

I renewed mine last Thursday and they gave me a piece of paper that reads "Colorado Temporary Document." Has my address, etc. Says it's valid for 30 days.

I guess if it comes down to it you could wait until your DL comes in. I'm still waiting on mine but it hasn't been a week yet.

Did you renew in the office or online? I did mine online. They even tell you at the beginning of the process that no temporary document will be issued.


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[Martinjmpr]

Did you renew in the office or online? I did mine online. They even tell you at the beginning of the process that no temporary document will be issued.


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My last one was online so this one I had to do in the office. I thought you had the option of printing out something that showed you had an application in?

Either way, I think a call to the FFL would be the best way to go. Explain your situation and ask them what they'll take. I had a similar situation last year when I went to sell my G23, the buyer showed up and his DL had expired the day before. He got his new DL and emailed me a few weeks later and we did the deal then.

[hurley842002]

Did you renew in the office or online? I did mine online. They even tell you at the beginning of the process that no temporary document will be issued.


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If renewed online, no temporary will be issued, in person they'll issue a temporary.

[Martinjmpr]

I know the FFL has to take a valid (non-expired) form of ID, but I don't know that the ID has to show an address. For example, I'm pretty sure a valid military ID would be acceptable as a form of ID to fill out the 4473. Based on that alone I don't know why a passport WOULDN'T be a valid form of ID. A passport is more "secure" than a DL anyway.

[9mmJ]

I know the FFL has to take a valid (non-expired) form of ID, but I don't know that the ID has to show an address. For example, I'm pretty sure a valid military ID would be acceptable as a form of ID to fill out the 4473. Based on that alone I don't know why a passport WOULDN'T be a valid form of ID. A passport is more "secure" than a DL anyway.


I have used a passport and vehicle registration before. Used a fishing license once as well. :)

Need an "official" document with correct address.

[Dave]

I know the FFL has to take a valid (non-expired) form of ID, but I don't know that the ID has to show an address. For example, I'm pretty sure a valid military ID would be acceptable as a form of ID to fill out the 4473. Based on that alone I don't know why a passport WOULDN'T be a valid form of ID. A passport is more "secure" than a DL anyway.
You need to have something that shows your current address. I used my vehicle registration for my last BGC as my license still has my Aurora address.

[hurley842002]

Also, in my experience DL's ship pretty quick.

[kidicarus13]

Colorado doesn't issue temporary documents anymore according to their site. I don't remember seeing the option either.

https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/dmv/renewals

What to expect during your office visit:


Vision screening (for driver licenses and permits)

Review temporary document for accuracy

Signature capture

Fingerprint capture

Photograph

[Skip]

Shouldn't be an issue. I'd call ark for clarification

Best advice. The law is the law but sometimes FFLs have different policies (which I understand given the liability).

I ran into that on an address change once with my DL. Thankfully my CCW was also in my wallet with my address.

[brutal]

I know the FFL has to take a valid (non-expired) form of ID, but I don't know that the ID has to show an address. For example, I'm pretty sure a valid military ID would be acceptable as a form of ID to fill out the 4473. Based on that alone I don't know why a passport WOULDN'T be a valid form of ID. A passport is more "secure" than a DL anyway.

I believe MIL needs ID plus orders to do a BGC. Orders would have a base address wouldn't they?

As has been posted, valid ID and something official that shows current address is my understanding as well, but I'm not an FFL so my opinion is just that.

[Martinjmpr]

I believe MIL needs ID plus orders to do a BGC. Orders would have a base address wouldn't they?

As has been posted, valid ID and something official that shows current address is my understanding as well, but I'm not an FFL so my opinion is just that.

Yeah, thinking about it now I know the FFL we went to to try and sell my Glock said the same thing. He said a hunting or fishing license would work, too, and suggested the buyer just go and get a 1-day fishing license from the surplus store nearby.

[Circuits]

Passport establishes identity and age (also nationality), but not residence. Valid passport plus any other gov't issued document - which might be a utility bill if the utility is a municipal service, or a current vehicle registration, or a fishing/hunting license is required when using a passport as proof of identity - this is listed on the back of the 4473, by the way.

CCW by itself would also be sufficient - it's a gov't issued document with picture ID, name, age, address.

Depending on CBI's access to databases, you may not be able to use the online approval system, or get a delayed answer if CBI has to go off and verify documents which, though valid, they don't have instant online access to verify.

MIL needs PCS orders to purchase non-rifles/shotguns in their PCS state using out-of-state ID, since the PCS orders establish them as residents.

[UncleDave]

Ccw should be fine as long as it has your correct address on it.

[brutal]

Passport establishes identity and age (also nationality), but not residence. Valid passport plus any other gov't issued document - which might be a utility bill if the utility is a municipal service, or a current vehicle registration, or a fishing/hunting license is required when using a passport as proof of identity - this is listed on the back of the 4473, by the way.

CCW by itself would also be sufficient - it's a gov't issued document with picture ID, name, age, address.

Depending on CBI's access to databases, you may not be able to use the online approval system, or get a delayed answer if CBI has to go off and verify documents which, though valid, they don't have instant online access to verify.

MIL needs PCS orders to purchase non-rifles/shotguns in their PCS state using out-of-state ID, since the PCS orders establish them as residents.


Ccw should be fine as long as it has your correct address on it.

Just an FYI, DougCo CHP does not include address.

[COcz]

Last time I had to renew my DL they refused to take my passport because it didn't establish residency, so I'm guessing that's a no go.

[Aloha_Shooter]

As has been stated, the passport establishes identity but not Colorado residency. I've been told as active duty military that anything else establishing residency (e.g., utility or cable bill in my name with a Colorado address) coupled with my military ID would suffice. Just call the Ark and explain the situation and ask what they will take to show identity AND residency required.

[O2HeN2]

My DL expired...
Happy Birthday :)

O2

[stevew]

I found out that you can't use a PO box even if it shows the correct city and state. I just registered all my vehicles in a mountain town without a mailbox at the house so you have to get a PO box to get mail. Well all my vehicle registrations now have a PO box and I just had to go to DCF and redo my form and then they had to resubmit it because the feds wouldn't take a po box. My DL has my address from 4 years ago with a sticker on the back showing the current physical address so you can't use that either :) Luckily I still had a valid hunting license with a physical address on it.

[drift_g35]

Unfortunately ark won't accept anything other than a license. So I guess it will be a few weeks before I get my new sig 229 legion.


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[hurley842002]

Unfortunately ark won't accept anything other than a license. So I guess it will be a few weeks before I get my new sig 229 legion.


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I've never had a DL take that long to arrive.

[drift_g35]

Hopefully it comes sooner. Says it can take up to a month. Honestly I get it. I don't want to do anything that could jeopardize Noah's business. I don't mind waiting.


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[davsel]

Unfortunately ark won't accept anything other than a license. So I guess it will be a few weeks before I get my new sig 229 legion.

That sucks.
Page 5 of the 4473 says:

Question 20.b. Alternate Documentation: Licensees may accept a combination of valid government-issued documents to satisfy the identification document requirements of the law....
https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

It's a shame some FFLs don't follow this.

[Martinjmpr]

That sucks.
Page 5 of the 4473 says:

https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

It's a shame some FFLs don't follow this.

Can't really blame them, though. Given the microscope they operate under, "better safe than sorry" is a good business practice.

[davsel]

Can't really blame them, though. Given the microscope they operate under, "better safe than sorry" is a good business practice.
Yeah, because the ATF doesn't make us jump through enough hoops already.

[Aloha_Shooter]

That sucks.
Page 5 of the 4473 says:

Question 20.b. Alternate Documentation: Licensees may accept a combination of valid government-issued documents to satisfy the identification document requirements of the law....

https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

It's a shame some FFLs don't follow this.

Operative word there is "may". If it's not "will" or "shall", the FFL gets the discretion.

[hurley842002]

Operative word there is "may". If it's not "will" or "shall", the FFL gets the discretion.

My thought as well.

[DireWolf]

CCW by itself would also be sufficient - it's a gov't issued document with picture ID, name, age, address.

I've been told by multiple FFLs that a CCW cannot be used for the BGC...reasons given have differed a bit but all were consistent that it's not considered a valid form of ID for that purpose....

On the other hand, I have sucessfully used fishing licenses and vehicle registration on several occasions when my DL was temporarily out of date....

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[brutal]

I've been told by multiple FFLs that a CCW cannot be used for the BGC...reasons given have differed a bit but all were consistent that it's not considered a valid form of ID for that purpose....

On the other hand, I have sucessfully used fishing licenses and vehicle registration on several occasions when my DL was temporarily out of date....

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I think the key here is a valid government issue PHOTO ID and proof of residence. Assuming the FFL will accept. Bottom line, talk to the FFL, it's their business, their license, their call.

P.S. I once left my DL at the house while attending a Tanner. I emailed a digital (scanned) copy of my CO DL to the FFL from my phone and along with my CHP, they were totally OK with that all as valid.

[Circuits]

I've been told by multiple FFLs that a CCW cannot be used for the BGC...reasons given have differed a bit but all were consistent that it's not considered a valid form of ID for that purpose....

On the other hand, I have sucessfully used fishing licenses and vehicle registration on several occasions when my DL was temporarily out of date....

If the CCW is a gov't issued photo ID with applicant's name and address, it's sufficient - exactly as it says in the instructions on the 4473.

FFLs (and people in general) say a lot of things they believe to be true, but which are not - or give reasons why they think things are the way they are, but are just old saws or hearsay. Since they've "always done it that way", they figure it must be correct, and accepting they've been wrong about it would uncomfortably unseat their rationalizations. People in general are irrationally resistant to that kind of change, in fact.

The FFL does not have to accept any form of ID or complete any transaction they don't want to - so their store, their rules. It's just a shame they're uneducated about the actual regulations and unwilling to listen or research anything.

[Aloha_Shooter]

The FFL does not have to accept any form of ID or complete any transaction they don't want to - so their store, their rules. It's just a shame they're uneducated about the actual regulations and unwilling to listen or research anything.

Most of the FFLs I've dealt with were very well educated on the regulations. That doesn't mean they're willing to go beyond a certain comfort zone and I don't blame them. When I was a merit badge counselor, the rules said I could consider prior work in signing off the requirements. Depending on how recent the Scout's experience was and how well I believed they were instructed, I might do spot checks or I might just make them repeat the material. On rare occasion, I'd accept it completely. If they didn't like it, they were free to seek another counselor -- I felt it was MY signature on the blue card indicating they knew the material well enough to have earned the badge. With the FFLs, it's more than just an integrity issue -- they face very real penalties if they screw up (or the press/DA/etc. can claim they did).

[Martinjmpr]

...Meanwhile I'm hoping the OP has his DL by now. I applied for mine on 12/31 and it was in the mail last Friday. ;)

[drift_g35]

...Meanwhile I'm hoping the OP has his DL by now. I applied for mine on 12/31 and it was in the mail last Friday. ;)

Nope still not here.


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