1M, 2M, 5M New Licensed Gun Dealers?

[Bailey Guns]

What would happen if gun owners who like to buy, sell and trade guns to support and maintain their hobby decided to actually listen to, and abide by, Obama's recommendations re: being "in the business" of dealing guns?

Maybe it's time we ALL "legitimized" ourselves and our hobby. How many gun owners in this country? 125 to 150 million maybe? What if a small percentage, say 1 to 5, decided to apply for an FFL? The ATF could be looking at 5 million pending applications. What if it was a higher number? What if it wasn't that many but it was still enough to double or triple the number of current FFLs in the country?

I see some potential here to turn President Crybaby's actions back on him. I think I might just get my FFL application...gotta start somewhere.

[Kraven251]

so yeah, go Type 7 w/SOT, while a bunch of shit to go through suddenly I can own what ever I feel like owning or manufacturing.

Need a safe and a permanent address, and a handful of other extraneous bullshit, but yeah I agree with you.

[roberth]

This is the form - https://www.atf.gov/firearms/instructions-form-7-application-federal-firearms-license

A couple of questions on the form

17. Business Premises
a. Single Family Dwelling
b. Condominium/Apartment
c. Hotel/Motel
d. Public Housing

18. Do you intend to make a profit? A NO answer says "do not submit application"

18a. Do you intend to sell firearms ONLY at gun shows? A YES answer says "do not submit application" I would think, given the "gun show loophole" BS that ATF would WANT gun show people to be FFLs.

19. Do you intend to use your license ONLY to acquire personal firearms? A YES answer says "do not submit application"


All the "pro-gun" liberals have to select 26C as mental defective so you can't have an FFL or own/use firearms.

[Bailey Guns]

Pretty ironic, huh? It's as though the process for becoming a FFL contradicts what the president wants.

[roberth]

Yes it is....

[UncleDave]

If you intend to make $1 in profit, then your business is for profit. If you build 1 SBR and sell it then it is not for personal collection only.

[Great-Kazoo]

The whole issue with the new EO's is they were for show boating only.

IF his Highness really wanted to "DO SOMETHING THAT MATTERS" He would have signed a NO FLY, NO BUY EO. Which would not have stood a court ruling. So he once again panders to the lowest denominator, the democratic base.

[kidicarus13]

If you intend to make $1 in profit, then your business is for profit. If you build 1 SBR and sell it then it is not for personal collection only.

I will ALWAYS sell my firearms for the price I purchased them for or less.

[Martinjmpr]

Anybody remember back in the 80's and 90's when the ATF wanted to shut down "kitchen table dealers" who only got FFLs so they could get dealer prices? Looks like things have come full circle.

[BlasterBob]

[QUOTE=Martinjmpr;1946365]Anybody remember back in the 80's and 90's when the ATF wanted to shut down "kitchen table dealers" who only got FFLs so they could get dealer prices? Looks like things have come full circle.[/QUOTE

Back in 1995, after just retiring to Colorado, I was one of the FFL 01's who gave up license. Turned in all my records younger than 20 years of age. Had that license for many years mainly to get dealer prices. After giving up the license, didn't have to be concerned about having my records checked anymore.
Now to get rid of some of the few I have left, looks like a FFL may soon be necessary if I do want to part with them. Yep, full circle sounds accurate.

[roberth]

Anybody remember back in the 80's and 90's when the ATF wanted to shut down "kitchen table dealers" who only got FFLs so they could get dealer prices? Looks like things have come full circle.

Yes I do.

[68Charger]

IF it wasn't for the FFL being an agreement for the Feds to search records (and premises), then I'd be all for it.
Right on the instructions page: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/instructions-form-7-application-federal-firearms-license

Your records and premises will be subject to inspection by ATF officers.

I wouldn't enter an agreement which gives them more power over me unless I had a compelling reason to do so.

I'm sure Mr. Crybaby would love for the authority to search everyone's houses without a warrant.

[ChunkyMonkey]

What would happen if gun owners who like to buy, sell and trade guns to support and maintain their hobby decided to actually listen to, and abide by, Obama's recommendations re: being "in the business" of dealing guns?

Maybe it's time we ALL "legitimized" ourselves and our hobby. How many gun owners in this country? 125 to 150 million maybe? What if a small percentage, say 1 to 5, decided to apply for an FFL? The ATF could be looking at 5 million pending applications. What if it was a higher number? What if it wasn't that many but it was still enough to double or triple the number of current FFLs in the country?

I see some potential here to turn President Crybaby's actions back on him. I think I might just get my FFL application...gotta start somewhere.


Backdoor gun registration as I said it. They want record record record and tax tax tax!

[CO Hugh]

Anybody remember back in the 80's and 90's when the ATF wanted to shut down "kitchen table dealers" who only got FFLs so they could get dealer prices? Looks like things have come full circle.

I believe that was the Hildabeast's husband that started that crusade.

Cite: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/06/obama-gun-action-reverses-course-on-clinton-admin-policy.html?intcmp=hplnws

The executive action President Obama announced on Tuesday reverses course on a key Clinton-era policy that sought to reduce the number of federal firearms licensees.
The Obama administration’s push to require more gun sellers to obtain a license from the ATF could under some circumstances define those who sell even a single firearm as “engaged in the business” of firearms sales. That represents a stark contrast from the Clinton administration’s approach in the 1990s, when the White House successfully slashed the number of licensees by raising fees on license applications and requiring applicants to submit both fingerprints and photographs to the ATF.
“The Clinton Administration ordered the bureau to tighten the process,” the New York Times reported at the time. “Since August, applicants have been fingerprinted and photographed as well, and the bureau now tells applicants that their names will be sent to the police, who may check on their compliance with the law.”
The actions taken by Bill Clinton, whose wife is currently seeking the Democratic nomination for President, resulted in the number of licensed dealers dropping from about 252,000 in 1993 to about 55,000 in 2014.
In 1994, ATF officials complained that many FFLs were not actually “engaged in the business” and oversight of the small sellers was cumbersome, if not impossible. “Probably 70 percent of the people holding licenses shouldn’t hold them,” one ATF spokesperson told the Times. “Most applicants declare that they intend to buy and sell guns as a primary livelihood, but in reality, the firearms bureau says, most people want to buy guns at wholesale prices for personal use,” the paper added.

[TFOGGER]

I have thought several times about getting an FFL, since bikes and guns seem to be common interests for a lot of people. Maybe it's time to revisit that...