View Full Version : Wolf reintroduction in Colorado
Firehaus
01-12-2016, 14:48
This is popping up around the net and I haven't seen it here. Please delete if a repost.
http://cqrcengage.com/biggameforever/app/write-a-letter?0&engagementId=157954
Powerful anti-sportsmen’s groups and animal rights activists have sent 5,000 letters in effort to force 1,000 unmanaged wolves on Colorado. Governor Hickenlooper and the state wildlife commission have endorsed delisting and state management of wolves. Please take action in support of protection of Colorado's moose, elk, deer and livestock. We can't afford to repeat the mistakes of the Northern Rockies.
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BushMasterBoy
01-12-2016, 15:03
Get some cool video of a wolf eating a baby human!
HoneyBadger
01-12-2016, 15:25
Get some cool video of a wolf eating a baby human!
I've been holding this back for a while now, but I can't take it any more: What is wrong with you?
BushMasterBoy
01-12-2016, 15:36
You afraid to kill a wolf? It will kill a child! Maybe you are on the side of the wolves...
PS Ignore works good
clodhopper
01-12-2016, 15:37
I seem to remember it was a long and difficult effort to get rid of those at one time. Yep, makes absolute sense to bring em back, those fuzzy, fun and cuddly pups!
Sarcasm Alert:
While we're at it, can we pleeeeease bring back the T-Rex? I saw it done on Jurassic Park!!!
Nothing wrong with this reintroduction,,,wolves look great.
The pelts look awesome on the wall. ;)
Sent. If I want a wolf pelt I'll go to Alaska. I don't want them here. Neighboring states have proof it is just a legal battle, harassment to hunters, hurts populations and hunting quality and will result in a reduction in money to Colorado state parks due to reduced big game license sales. Which means increased prices per tag or a reduction in parks budget and we all know which route will be taken.
I've been holding this back for a while now, but I can't take it any more: What is wrong with you?
I've been wondering that for a while now too... I have a guess, but who knows...
I heard about this last week I think. I say NO to re-introducing wolves in Colorado.
palepainter
01-12-2016, 18:02
I think they have been here for some time now, not in any great numbers. But my buddies and I have seen hints of them out there in the woods.
68Charger
01-12-2016, 18:11
the kinds of organizations pushing Wolf re-introduction will say wolf attacks on humans don't occur or are very rare- and frequently lie that they're never fatal.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/35913715/ns/us_news-life/t/fatal-wolf-attack-unnerves-alaska-village/#.VpWUW2E2xC0
so wolf attacks HAVE been fatal, combine that with rabies being more common here than in Alaska (lost a horse to rabies- I killed a rabid bat on my property 3 years ago after it dived bombed us at 11pm trying to treat him- YES it was tested positive by the state), and I'd love to see these irresponsible organizations sued out of existence.
I'd prefer the wolves over people. Maybe more than 1k will be needed.
Message sent. Last thing this state needs is a bunch of wolves brought in. If wolves belong here they will find their way here, and hopefully not in any significant numbers. We have premier big game hunting and that will only erode with a bunch of wolves being brought in. If some wolf lover wants to see wolves, there are places they can go to see all the wolves they want to.
KevDen2005
01-13-2016, 12:14
I have friends from Cody, Wyoming. They said reintroduction to the area was a nightmare.
Geez, now I'm going to go cry
I have a friend who lives in a 4th floor apartment in LODO and he said he hasn't experienced any problems with wolves at all. Now I don't know what to believe!
KevDen2005
01-13-2016, 13:43
I have a friend who lives in a 4th floor apartment in LODO and he said he hasn't experienced any problems with wolves at all. Now I don't know what to believe!
That is very strange. I would think he would have had several sightings by now.
I have friends from Cody, Wyoming. They said reintroduction to the area was a nightmare.
I lived near Cody Wyoming for years. Wolf reintroduction was definitely a nightmare. The claim was it was needed to keep the buffalo population in check. No need for that here.
We were given the line that the wolves would never leave Yellowstone...as if somehow they knew where the boundaries were...then we were told they would never leave the state...yet they have been definitely found clear down here near I-70.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/another-yellowstone-wolf-confirmed-in-colorado
wctriumph
01-13-2016, 16:45
They're already here. They have been for years now. Not formally introduced, they just kind of wandered down from up north.
http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2015/05/28/officials-confirm-gray-wolf-killed-in-colorado/28125117/
Bailey Guns
01-13-2016, 17:51
I have a friend who lives in a 4th floor apartment in LODO and he said he hasn't experienced any problems with wolves at all. Now I don't know what to believe!
Well I have a friend who lives on the 3rd floor of a LODO loft. One of his children was eaten by a wolf while waiting for the elevator. Might not be the same building, though.
Tinelement
01-13-2016, 18:09
So 10-15 yrs ago they reintroduced the timber wolf to northern Wisconsin. It's a complete fail as of now is what I'm hearing from friends and family back home. Deer population is way down, which in Wisconsin deer hunting is a religion. Wolves are killing dogs, and even cattle. Now they opening up seasons on them to get the population back down. Wolves are yotes on steroids.
Firehaus
01-13-2016, 20:21
Breaking: The Colorado Parks and Wildlife commission voted 7-4 in favor for Alternative 2 regarding wolf introduction (aka opposes the intentional release of any wolves into Colorado, recommends that Mexican wolf recovery efforts be confined to the subspecies’ historic range, and emphasizes the importance of bi-national recovery planning with Mexico.)
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so for now it seems that there won't be an intentional transfer and release of more wolves in this state, but as we all know, those that wish for it will be back pushing for it again in the near future. A win for big game hunters of the state, not to mention ranchers as well.
so for now it seems that there won't be an intentional transfer and release of more wolves in this state, but as we all know, those that wish for it will be back pushing for it again in the near future. A win for big game hunters of the state, not to mention ranchers as well.
Yes, this is good.
I like to hike in the back country, I would not want to run into a pack of wolves.
I love it when politicians, "activists" and general buzybodies feel the need to make legislation that has 0 effect on them but has a detrimental effect on others. Feel good legislation at it's finest.
JohnnyDrama
01-14-2016, 16:33
Maybe I'm thinking about this differently than the rest of you, but....
I'm wondering how many hippies would have to get eaten before they start buying AR-15s to take hiking?
S S S.
and I hope all the hippies get eaten by rabid packs of prairie dogs!
Aloha_Shooter
01-14-2016, 22:08
I'm wondering how many hippies would have to get eaten before they start buying AR-15s to take hiking?
Nice thought but I think wolves are smarter and more selective than that. I imagine a wolf pondering a hippy for dinner would be like Emeril Lagasse looking over the menu at Taco John's.
Nice thought but I think wolves are smarter and more selective than that. I imagine a wolf pondering a hippy for dinner would be like Emeril Lagasse looking over the menu at Taco John's.
If I thought the wolves would only eat the hippies, I'd say "BRING 'EM!".
At least they only want to reintroduce wolves.
http://www.yellowstonegate.com/2012/04/jackalope-yellowstone-grand-teton/
At least they only want to reintroduce wolves.
http://www.yellowstonegate.com/2012/04/jackalope-yellowstone-grand-teton/
I see a lot of the does around here. The bucks seem to be pretty rare.
COShooter
02-23-2016, 17:24
Honestly I'm not sure why wolves are thought of to be so much worse for deer, elk, humans etc than mountain lions already are. I wouldn't want to run into a big cat in the woods either, so when I'm in the woods I act differently than when I'm in the burbs. Can someone help me understand?
I'd prefer the wolves over people. Maybe more than 1k will be needed.
Agreed! Actually, news of wolves being reintroduced to CO might cause some of those damn Californians to stop moving here!
You obviously haven't bothered to spend any time researching then. Wildlife numbers dropped significantly in states that reintroduced wolves. It hurt hunting licenses for one. Sportsmen are THE major impact when it comes to wildlife areas and keeping them open, funding biologists and the division of wildlife....now the state parks since they couldn't stay out of the red. Now the sportsmen and biologists are saying keep wolves out or it will have detrimental impact on populations which will significantly impact funding when the number of big game licenses drop. Not to mention livestock kills which will need to be paid for by some government entity if they want to keep the ranchers from killing their precious reintroduced wolves.
take some time and read into what happened in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming. Then come back here and tell me how good it will feel to have a wolf population back in Colorado which you will be lucky to see in the wild while big game numbers drop significantly. And then the wolf lovers will get pissed when sportsmen want to open a hunting season on them.
hunterhawk
02-23-2016, 22:07
I'm with sniper.. Don't forget deer in Michigan's Upper peninsula... I have seen it first hand! Wolves are really cool animals but I would rather hunt deer and elk than see wolves! If you want to see wolves go to those states Sniper listed! I'm pretty sure there are already plenty in CO now anyway though! I found where a couple took down a deer... Guess where KREMMLING.... where was that wolf shot again? Ya this was after that! So tells me there is more.
'Nine Mile Wolves' is a good primer into the Montana wolf debacle.
ColoradoTJ
02-23-2016, 22:28
My home state is MT, and I can tell you first hand....no Bueno.
theGinsue
02-23-2016, 23:17
I have a friend who lives in a 4th floor apartment in LODO and he said he hasn't experienced any problems with wolves at all. Now I don't know what to believe!
That is very strange. I would think he would have had several sightings by now.
Plenty of pumas and cougars in LODO, just no wolves yet.
Honestly I'm not sure why wolves are thought of to be so much worse for deer, elk, humans etc than mountain lions already are. I wouldn't want to run into a big cat in the woods either, so when I'm in the woods I act differently than when I'm in the burbs. Can someone help me understand?
Agreed! Actually, news of wolves being reintroduced to CO might cause some of those damn Californians to stop moving here!
For the record, I'm not afraid of bears here in CO, but mountain lions scare me because they are smart stealthy hunters - as are wolves. The big difference between wolves and mountain lions is that mountain lions tend to maintain an average of 1 lion/100 square miles (10 mile x 10 mile) domain; they don't like other mt. lions intruding into their territory. Wolves on the other hand are social creatures; they live and hunt in packs. They use the pack to feed their courage. A single mt. lion can be scared off fairly easily (just keep watching your back), but packs of wolves are nearly impossible to scare off. Using the pack, one or two wolves will work to distract their prey while others come in for the attack. I'd much rather face a single mt. lion than a pack of wolves.
ETA (iPad battery was going to die so I had to save what I'd written or risk losing it):
Mountain lions will eat what they want/can of their prey then bury the rest under sticks, leaves and soil until they're ready to come back for more. They'll eat the entire kill. Wolves are different. First off, one mt. lion can't eat as much as a pack of wolves. Wolves are voracious eaters. They'll take their prey, eat what they want (not necessarily eating all of it) and go on the prowl looking for more. They're wasteful eaters and can/do lay devastation on other animals they come across - wiping out entire herds of big game animals. Mt. lions have a markedly less impact on animal populations in their domain.
battle_sight_zero
02-23-2016, 23:28
Thank you Sniper....Mule deer are decreasing in Colorado and certainly this would not help that situation.
You obviously haven't bothered to spend any time researching then. Wildlife numbers dropped significantly in states that reintroduced wolves. It hurt hunting licenses for one. Sportsmen are THE major impact when it comes to wildlife areas and keeping them open, funding biologists and the division of wildlife....now the state parks since they couldn't stay out of the red. Now the sportsmen and biologists are saying keep wolves out or it will have detrimental impact on populations which will significantly impact funding when the number of big game licenses drop. Not to mention livestock kills which will need to be paid for by some government entity if they want to keep the ranchers from killing their precious reintroduced wolves.
take some time and read into what happened in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming. Then come back here and tell me how good it will feel to have a wolf population back in Colorado which you will be lucky to see in the wild while big game numbers drop significantly. And then the wolf lovers will get pissed when sportsmen want to open a hunting season on them.
Bitter Clinger
02-24-2016, 13:15
I'm all for it. As long as they are released in Boulder! Kinda scary, Kremmling is where I camp and fish! Seriously though, no need for more wolves here. May as well bring in hogs.
ColoradoTJ
02-24-2016, 14:24
Plenty of pumas and cougars in LODO, just no wolves yet.
For the record, I'm not afraid of bears here in CO, but mountain lions scare me because they are smart stealthy hunters - as are wolves. The big difference between wolves and mountain lions is that mountain lions tend to maintain an average of 1 lion/100 square miles (10 mile x 10 mile) domain; they don't like other mt. lions intruding into their territory. Wolves on the other hand are social creatures; they live and hunt in packs. They use the pack to feed their courage. A single mt. lion can be scared off fairly easily (just keep watching your back), but packs of wolves are nearly impossible to scare off. Using the pack, one or two wolves will work to distract their prey while others come in for the attack. I'd much rather face a single mt. lion than a pack of wolves.
ETA (iPad battery was going to die so I had to save what I'd written or risk losing it):
Mountain lions will eat what they want/can of their prey then bury the rest under sticks, leaves and soil until they're ready to come back for more. They'll eat the entire kill. Wolves are different. First off, one mt. lion can't eat as much as a pack of wolves. Wolves are voracious eaters. They'll take their prey, eat what they want (not necessarily eating all of it) and go on the prowl looking for more. They're wasteful eaters and can/do lay devastation on other animals they come across - wiping out entire herds of big game animals. Mt. lions have a markedly less impact on animal populations in their domain.
Back in 2008, I went up hunting in Section 17 by Walden for Elk. The beetle kill was bad and the logging was in full effect. We had to walk in everywhere. The snow was up to my knees (so about 4"..lol, JK) and after the morning hunt, we backtracked. I had the weird feeling where your hair stands up on your neck on the way up that morning (3:30AM) We seen some marks in the snow like a snake was following us. We looked closer and seen some nice paw prints in our footsteps. Yep, one of those little kitty cats was following us and that was their tail in the snow.
I know that there has been plenty of cats that have seen me out in the hills, but this one made me look over my shoulder a lot more...LOL!
Wolves slaughter 19 elk in 'sport killing'
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/25/us/wyoming-wolf-pack-elk-slaughter/index.html
(CNN)In what appears to be a case of "sport killing," a pack of wolves slaughtered a herd of elk in one night, Wyoming wildlife officials said Friday.
Nineteen elk, mostly calves, were found dead several days ago at a feeding ground near Bondurant, a town southeast of Jackson, said John Lund of the Wyoming Game and Fish Department. A contractor delivering feed to the herd discovered the dead animals.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160325214417-wyoming-elk-slaughter-exlarge-169.jpeg
not possible, just ask many wolf lovers and they will tell you over and over that wolves ONLY prey on the weak and they eat what they kill.[blah-blah]
TheSparkens
03-26-2016, 14:27
This wasn't sport hunting it is training ya that's it training for when you need to hunt to eat.
So a group of wild animals killed some other wild animals. No humans were hurt, so why is it even a story?
theGinsue
03-27-2016, 21:59
Because it shows that wolves kill for pleasure as much as to eat. This is just more proof that re-introducing them to CO would be a serious mistake. CO is currently rich in prey for these animals. Their prey are also a huge money maker for this state as well as providing sufficient game for hunters to help put food on the table for their families. If wolves are capable of decimating a herd like this, and for pleasure, the effects could be devastating to CO's game animal population. [This explanation doesn't even consider the effects to domestic livestock or pets.]
What it boils down to is money.
newracer
03-28-2016, 11:41
They were feeding that herd of elk which makes me think the area cannot sustain the numbers anyways.
I don't know the facts as to why the elk are being fed there, but it may be the lack of historical wintering grounds due to urban sprawl, or it could be that the winter is being exceptionally harsh up there this year? Not sure. If I remember correctly, Colo. CDOW dropped hay for deer and antelope after one of the big blizzards on the eastern plains. It was several years ago.
They were feeding that herd of elk...
...and the wolves say 'Thank you' for baiting them.
They were feeding that herd of elk which makes me think the area cannot sustain the numbers anyways.
That may be true, they were probably feeding them to maintain the herd so more hunting tags could be issued, which in turn helps hunters fill tags, and freezers. It also generates a tremendous amount of revenue, of which we need here. There is no state income tax, so we generate funds through other means such as investments, mining, natural resources, business taxes, etc. The fact that wolves are still federally protected as an endangered species, even though their numbers show they could now be managed, has gotten us into this mess. Wolves have their place, but now shouod be legally hunted, and managed like big game.
We now allow 6 bighorn sheep tags to be issued here, wolves can be hunted on a limited basis as well.
Correction. After doing my own research, and not believing the local news, the state issued 192 sheep tags. There were 25 mountain goat tags issued in 2015.
As I've been told by those knowledgeable in the wildlife management/conservation business; the best way to insure the survival and growth of a species is to encourage regulated hunting of said species.
Once a government bureaucracy can find a way to bring in revenue from something, you can almost be certain they will find a way to exploit that resource. If they can license it, they own it.
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