I shot a Glock 19 today [Archive] - Colorado AR-15 Shooters Club Discussion Forums

TheGrey

01-13-2016, 20:41

....and so help me, I kind of liked it. This is the first time that's happened with a Glock.

I'm not really sure what to do, now that my perceptions have changed a bit.

I'm not trying to open a can of worms or anything, but I'd like to hear from Glock owners. What is it about the Glock you like? What are the drawbacks? Do you prefer them for your concealed carry, or your 'regular shooter'?

I've been looking at websites as to the pros and cons, but I'd like to hear from you.

th3w01f

01-13-2016, 20:53

What do I like about glocks???? I've put several thousand rounds through them, I've rarely (if ever) cleaned or oiled them, and I've never had one failure.

As a side note, I haven't shot many Gen 3 or 4.

glock74

01-13-2016, 20:54

I have 3 Glocks. A 19, 26, and 30s. I carry my 26 and 30s. The thing I like about is they are really dependable and easy to shoot. Glocks are really easy to clean. The only thing I don't like is the safety. It's just a little trigger inside the trigger.

Great-Kazoo

01-13-2016, 20:55

ray1970

01-13-2016, 20:56

I won't bore you with the details, but if I could only own one handgun it would be a Glock 19.

ray1970

01-13-2016, 20:59

The only thing I don't like is the safety. It's just a little trigger inside the trigger.

Not calling you out personally on this, but Glocks actually have three safeties.

https://us.glock.com/technology/safe-action

beast556

01-13-2016, 20:59

The g19 has it all compact but still big enough to shoot comfortably, 15rd capacity, rock solid reliability.

th3w01f

01-13-2016, 21:02

IMO Glock has become the AK of hand guns.

I almost added that to my post. :)

TheGrey

01-13-2016, 21:05

The spouse is a die hard Glock owner. She prefers the 26 over the 19, for concealment and (in her words) overall comfort. I have the 19 & 26, have owned the 17, 30, 21. They're a foolproof gun, easy to maintain and work on. There's no Frame Safety, like beretta's, sigs and other hand guns. For some it's a deal killer. For others and something everyone should know & Practice. KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL READY TO SHOOT.
IMO Glock has become the AK of hand guns, just because there's so many of them out there.
Which gen did you shoot?

Up until this evening, I didn't know about the different generations. I want to say it was a Gen 3, because it had grooves for my fingers and it looked exactly like the photos of the Generation 3s...but I honestly can't say for certain.

Great-Kazoo

01-13-2016, 21:12

Up until this evening, I didn't know about the different generations. I want to say it was a Gen 3, because it had grooves for my fingers and it looked exactly like the photos of the Generation 3s...but I honestly can't say for certain.

The gen 4 has adjustable / different back straps. The only thing i don't like about glocks. is they've remained stagnant development wise. Hell the Glock carbine spurred more rumors over 3? decades yet nothing materialized.
Until the Gen 4 hardly anything, outside a cosmetic look (Rail for light) was done. Then they introduced the single stack /slim line of guns. FINALLY offering a .380 (20 years too late) .

The one thing that can be said about glocks and remains consistent. You either like them or you don't.

ray1970

01-13-2016, 21:12

My favorite handgun I ever owned and the one I have shot the largest number of rounds through was a gen 2 Glock 19. In fact, if I ever stumble across one new (or like new) I would be happy to part with my current favorite FDE 19 to own it.

HoneyBadger

01-13-2016, 21:13

They're a foolproof gun, easy to maintain and work on. For others and something everyone should know & Practice. KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL READY TO SHOOT.

Yep

I won't bore you with the details, but if I could only own one handgun it would be a Glock 19.
Agreed.

I haven't shot or even held the Gen 4 glocks, but everyone else seems to like them. I have a few Glock 19s, and I simply don't shoot faster or more accurately with any other pistol. I also have a G26 which is easier to conceal, but I can't shoot quite as accurately with it. I am actually a big fan of the trigger pull after installing $10 of aftermarket springs ($30 if you want to get really fancy and replace the connector too).

I also really like that every Glock is the same. Same feel, same functionality, same operation. This makes it especially easy to quickly change which gun I am carrying to match the circumstances without having to worry about different operations, techniques, or configurations. Combine that with a Glock's ability to take a hell of a beating, and there isn't any other gun I would rather carry for that price point. If the world was ending, I would most certainly have a Glock 19 with me.

ETA:

The only thing i don't like about glocks, is they've remained stagnant development wise.
Honestly, I think this is the best thing about them. It tells me that the design has proven itself with a long track record (and record sales). If TheGrey goes and buys a Glock tomorrow, she doesn't have to worry about whether or not its got that one stupid new feature that everyone hates like many new models or whether or not its going to be functionally the same as the one she test drove.

TheGrey

01-13-2016, 21:24

Yep

Agreed.

I haven't shot or even held the Gen 4 glocks, but everyone else seems to like them. I have a few Glock 19s, and I simply don't shoot faster or more accurately with any other pistol. I also have a G26 which is easier to conceal, but I can't shoot quite as accurately with it. I am actually a big fan of the trigger pull after installing $10 of aftermarket springs ($30 if you want to get really fancy and replace the connector too).

I also really like that every Glock is the same. Same feel, same functionality, same operation. This makes it especially easy to quickly change which gun I am carrying to match the circumstances without having to worry about different operations, techniques, or configurations. Combine that with a Glock's ability to take a hell of a beating, and there isn't any other gun I would rather carry for that price point. If the world was ending, I would most certainly have a Glock 19 with me.

I didn't realize that about the trigger sensitivity when I was trying the Glock, but as I was concentrating on keeping my finger along the slide while aiming, that worked out well.

I don't plan on dropping the Glock in sand, but is that what you mean by the Glock taking a beating?

I also noticed there are Glocks with metal frames and polymer frames. It felt a little strange shooting a polymer frame when I'm used to a metal frame...is that solely for weight?

Gman

01-13-2016, 21:30

ruthabagah

01-13-2016, 21:45

Glock is the toyota of handguns: boring, dull but dependable. This is the gun i will take as a backup for my usp when the zombie apocalypse come....

Limited GM

01-13-2016, 21:49

I all my years of firearm instruction, I've found the 19 to be the easiest semi for newbies to learn to shoot acceptable.

ray1970

01-13-2016, 21:51

Umm... all Glocks are plastic. They don't have a model with a metal frame.

Irving

01-13-2016, 21:53

I borrowed a Glock 17 once and placed second at a competition with a gun I've never fired before. I thought that was a decent endorsement.

ray1970

01-13-2016, 21:54

While the 19 is my favorite, I probably shoot the 26 just as well. So, if you want something a bit smaller, you might try a 26 as well.

Here's a little video of me shooting the 26.

http://youtu.be/hBOlygF4yR8

ray1970

01-13-2016, 21:56

Oh, magazine changes are a bit slower (for me) on the 26 because the magazines are kind of small. Lol.

Jeffrey Lebowski

01-13-2016, 22:03

I'm a huge fan of the 19 and a huge fan of the Gen 4s. I actually prefer and shoot the 20 better, but like others here, if you nailed me down and said one handgun forever, my choice would be a gen4 19, especially in this state. Big enough to shoot comfortably, small enough to conceal easily. I have a gen3 as well, and I prefer the bigger grips on the 4 - that's it.

Likewise, the dependability comparisons are spot on. I truly like the 1911 but I've never had the slightest hiccup with a glock.

ray1970

01-13-2016, 22:19

I truly like the 1911 but I've never had the slightest hiccup with a glock.

I have actually had a few hiccups with some third and fourth gen Glocks. Not many. But I've had some ejection failures. A couple of traditional stove pipes and a couple of empties that jammed in horizontally and created stoppages. My gen 2 Glock never had a stoppage. After the first stoppage in my gen 3 19, I installed an Apex extractor and haven't had an issue since.

Ah Pook

01-13-2016, 22:21

Not a fan of their ergonomics until the gen4. Tried some Kewlaid. Nice reliable shooter that is pretty accurate.

TheGrey

01-13-2016, 22:22

Glocks...combat tupperware. The polymer is lighter, durable, and easy to manufacture.

Own a Glock 19 and 36. The 19 slide rubs the web of my thumb and obviously doesn't fit my hand very well. Most Glocks don't fit my hands very well, yet the 36 fits my hand perfectly and is my preferred CCW for now.

If you like the Glock 19, I'd suggest giving the Walther PPQ a try. Very similar in size, but the ergonomics of the Walther are nice and the trigger is great with a short reset.

I have a Walther PP (not PPQ) that's absolutely violent to shoot. It's a very nice little .380, but it reminds me of a sword that MUST draw blood before it's re-sheathed. Not that it literally draws blood, but it has a price for using it and I'm really not happy using it for a CC. However, if the Walther PPQ is a similar size, I'll try it the next time I'm at the range. Thanks for the suggestion!

TheGrey

01-13-2016, 22:25

Umm... all Glocks are plastic. They don't have a model with a metal frame.

Really? My mistake- I thought some were made of metal. Thanks for the clarification, Ray. :)

HoneyBadger

01-13-2016, 22:30

I didn't realize that about the trigger sensitivity when I was trying the Glock, but as I was concentrating on keeping my finger along the slide while aiming, that worked out well.
Always a good practice :) The trigger can be adjusted with springs to be anywhere from 2.5lbs to about 8.5lbs. Very easy to do yourself. Takes less than 10 minutes.

I don't plan on dropping the Glock in sand, but is that what you mean by the Glock taking a beating?
Yes, and anything else that may come to mind when you think of a product "taking a beating". I have fired several thousand rounds through my first G19 with maybe only 2 or 3 cleanings. They are not at all picky about ammo. They are not picky about dust, temperature, moisture, etc. "The AK of pistols" may be an apt moniker. You can shoot them wet (lots of oil) or completely dry (no oil), in extreme hot or extreme cold, even underwater (http://www.military.com/video/guns/pistols/shooting-the-glock-19-underwater/790163978001), with no ill effects. There are tons of examples of Glocks surviving incredible circumstances and still being capable of operating safely. (http://www.glockforum.com/Glock-found-in-river-good-to-go.html)

I also noticed there are Glocks with metal frames and polymer frames. It felt a little strange shooting a polymer frame when I'm used to a metal frame...is that solely for weight?

Not sure I've ever heard of any metal frame Glocks... I think they have always been polymer.

EDIT: It took me so long to type up my response (I had to stop and put HB Jr to bed) that it seems I am just echoing what others have said.

Jeffrey Lebowski

01-13-2016, 22:31

I have actually had a few hiccups with some third and fourth gen Glocks. Not many. But I've had some ejection failures. A couple of traditional stove pipes and a couple of empties that jammed in horizontally and created stoppages. My gen 2 Glock never had a stoppage. After the first stoppage in my gen 3 19, I installed an Apex extractor and haven't had an issue since.

Yeah, if you spend enough (or any?) time on glocktalk in the main forum, you'll read all sorts of weird oddities. Mine are all completely stock and without issue and I have higher round counts than the 1911s. [Dunno] (Which are Kimbers and a long gone SA, so YMMV and there seems to be little middle ground on the forums regarding the kimber thing).

Just 19 to 19, my 3 has the classic "textured" finish and my 4 has the hated "smooth" finish. I actually like it and don't have wearing.
In fairness, I shoot the 4 more, but carry the 3. I try to take good care of the finish, but I wouldn't sweat it if it did wear. [Dunno] It is a tool and I'd happily replace it with another if I could "wear it out."

ZERO THEORY

01-13-2016, 22:35

I've owned six. After the first two (a gen 2 G23, and a gen 3 G23), I bought a Springfield XD45 Tactical. It was fun, but I kept thinking, "Is this the gun for me?" (Mind you, this was before I got my CCW.) If memory serves me right, I bought my first M&P9 full size right afterwards. Ergos were nice, but I didn't like the trigger much. Got another Glock (a gen 3 G19). Got my CCW. Bought a smaller moose-killer for carry (G29 in 10mm), and traded the 19 for a 17 for USPSA/3Gun purposes. Got rid of both and decided to test the waters of the M&P platform again. Bought a carry M&P9C and a 9 Pro Series 5". Somewhere in there was another G19. Got rid of both and went back to a Springfield XD Service Model .45 for carry, and an XDm 9 for competition.

...and now I'm ready to buy another 19 for carry. Glocks point well for me, the trigger is solid, I've never had a malfunction with any of my 9s or 40s (although the 10mm was picky on full-house loads; if it fails more than once, I get rid of it), and there is an absurd amount of holster, optic, and every other type of support/mod. Glocks are the gold standard of poly pistols, plain and simple. You'll never have a hard time finding something you need for them, and you know they work. I really enjoy my Springfields, and the M&P was probably the best feeling platform of the big three. But I know exactly what I'm getting with the Glock, and there isn't a single hole in its game, whereas M&Ps are hindered by poor triggers, and XD/XDms have some stupid slide lock tolerances.

Jeffrey Lebowski

01-13-2016, 22:40

I've never had a malfunction with any of my 9s or 40s (although the 10mm was picky on full-house loads; if it fails more than once, I get rid of it),

Oops, this reminds me, I have misspoken.
I did have a hiccup or 3 with a Wolf barrel purchased for 220gr Buffalo hard casts since I didn't want fouling in the OEM barrel.
I still have it, but don't trust it. I should have went with KKM, but I much prefer Underwood 10mm with the stock barrel, which performs flawlessly.

TheGrey

01-13-2016, 22:42

EDIT: It took me so long to type up my response (I had to stop and put HB Jr to bed) that it seems I am just echoing what others have said.

No, no! You answered my questions with specifics, and everyone else is adding to my tiny bit of knowledge. I appreciate it all!

ZERO THEORY

01-13-2016, 22:43

Oops, this reminds me, I have misspoken.
I did have a hiccup or 3 with a Wolf barrel purchased for 220gr Buffalo hard casts since I didn't want fouling in the OEM barrel.
I still have it, but don't trust it. I should have went with KKM, but I much prefer Underwood 10mm with the stock barrel, which performs flawlessly.

I'd still like a G20 for woods carry, since paying $1000 for a Sig that has less capacity just seems silly. So, 22 pound Wolf spring and it's good to go? Or did you need to do more work to get the performance you wanted?

hurley842002

01-13-2016, 22:49

I'd still like a G20 for woods carry, since paying $1000 for a Sig that has less capacity just seems silly. So, 22 pound Wolf spring and it's good to go? Or did you need to do more work to get the performance you wanted?

I don't remember what poundage spring I had, but I threw in an aftermarket on a G20 I had, and ran the BB 220's with no issues. Actually quite pleasant to shoot if I remember correctly.

Jeffrey Lebowski

01-13-2016, 22:51

I'd still like a G20 for woods carry, since paying $1000 for a Sig that has less capacity just seems silly. So, 22 pound Wolf spring and it's good to go? Or did you need to do more work to get the performance you wanted?

I'm using it completely stock - no spring change - and running 180gr TMJ Underwood (for woods carry). [Dunno] That seems to work for me.
I have some 155gr JHPs, but for woods, I just use the other.
I'll use Armscor ammo at the range (180). All of this is a compromise, but that is my personal sweet spot since I dislike revolvers and like capacity.

FWIW, wolf warranty wasn't great: They did nothing for me and said my barrel looked to be in spec.
I'm pretty much done with those guys. I have a sweet wolf co-branded Spyderco endura with glock tool, though. That is sort of cool. I guess.

Jeffrey Lebowski

01-13-2016, 22:53

I don't remember what poundage spring I had, but I threw in an aftermarket on a G20 I had, and ran the BB 220's with no issues. Actually quite pleasant to shoot if I remember correctly.

Did you just keep the original hexagonal barrel? I know the whole BB and barrel thing is an internet debate, just curious.

PS, sorry Grey. Not to hijack this into 10mm talk...

Double00

01-13-2016, 22:53

I've had my 19 for 26yrs. When I pull the trigger she goes bang.

hurley842002

01-13-2016, 22:56

I've had my 19 for 26yrs. When I pull the trigger she goes bang.

That's impressive, wish I could say the same. Although I've only been of age to purchase a handgun for 11 years.

ZERO THEORY

01-13-2016, 22:59

Long story short, Grey: buy a Glock.

I don't remember what poundage spring I had, but I threw in an aftermarket on a G20 I had, and ran the BB 220's with no issues. Actually quite pleasant to shoot if I remember correctly.

I'm using it completely stock - no spring change - and running 180gr TMJ Underwood (for woods carry). [Dunno] That seems to work for me.
I have some 155gr JHPs, but for woods, I just use the other.
I'll use Armscor ammo at the range (180). All of this is a compromise, but that is my personal sweet spot since I dislike revolvers and like capacity.

FWIW, wolf warranty wasn't great: They did nothing for me and said my barrel looked to be in spec.
I'm pretty much done with those guys. I have a sweet wolf co-branded Spyderco endura with glock tool, though. That is sort of cool. I guess.

Thanks for the feedback, boys.

hurley842002

01-13-2016, 23:00

Did you just keep the original hexagonal barrel? I know the whole BB and barrel thing is an internet debate, just curious.

PS, sorry Grey. Not to hijack this into 10mm talk...

No it was aftermarket, I believe Storm Lake. That gun was set up well, wish I didn't have to get rid of it. Sorry for the hijack Grey.

Jeffrey Lebowski

01-13-2016, 23:09

While we are on this, (mods this is completely unsolicited) I'll say I have multiple holsters and my favorite by far is made by member yjsaindon. $0.02
I kind of want another one already.

TheGrey

01-13-2016, 23:13

William

01-13-2016, 23:32

I love my Glock 17 (gen 3). High capacity, can shoot 1000s of rounds through it with no failure (I rarely clean it), factory threaded barrels are available. For me, the ergonomics are great. I don't usually use a frame safety anyway, so don't miss it. I shoot my XDM a bit better, but it is the Glock 17 riding in the truck everyday.

Great-Kazoo

01-13-2016, 23:35

No worries, guys- threads need a little drift and that was a topic that at least 3 people needed to know.

I appreciate the information, the opinions, and the personal stories. This is exactly the kind of data I was looking for.

IMO, doesn't matter what gun it is. You have to be comfortable carrying, comfortable shooting and most of all Confident. The gun you choose must do all 3 reliably, without any doubt in your mind.
It's a tool, one you hopefully will never need to stake your life on. BUT.........If that point in time was ever crossed. Know when you draw in self defense. You do so having the right tool for the job, with the confidence to do so.

Of course there's the ammo aspect, what performs best in said gun of choice, most accurate etc.

HOWEVER the ammo discussion / debate should be done in another thread.

Besides think i rambled way beyond the original question, sorry.

TheGrey

01-14-2016, 00:01

IMO, doesn't matter what gun it is. You have to be comfortable carrying, comfortable shooting and most of all Confident. The gun you choose must do all 3 reliably, without any doubt in your mind.
It's a tool, one you hopefully will never need to stake your life on. BUT.........If that point in time was ever crossed. Know when you draw in self defense. You do so having the right tool for the job, with the confidence to do so.

Of course there's the ammo aspect, what performs best in said gun of choice, most accurate etc.

HOWEVER the ammo discussion / debate should be done in another thread.

Besides think i rambled way beyond the original question, sorry.

Thanks, GK. This very point keeps coming up from various sources- and they're all correct. That's why I'm forcing myself to be more open about trying many different types and sizes of guns.

The ammo discussion/debate is also going to be important, I'm sure!

Mazin

01-14-2016, 00:05

I won't bore you with the details, but if I could only own one handgun it would be a Glock 19.

This^^^
Comfortable ergonomics, Easily customizable, has great capacity (since you can use full size g17 or g18 mag's) and it just shoots well.

Big E3

01-14-2016, 01:08

I like Glocks a lot. I was at one time on a mission to have one of every model in 380, 9, 40, 45 and 10. I like the convertibility of the 40 frames. Easy to go from 40 to 9 to 357 Sig.

If you want to try out any of mine let me know, you bring the ammo I'll bring the guns.

davsel

01-14-2016, 02:26

They always go bang.
I turned my nose up at Glocks for many years due to my belief that guns should be made of steel and wood and handed down for generations.
I was always concerned about carrying my Kimber when riding due to rain, sweat, and possibly tearing it up in a crash. Therefore I bought my first Glock 36. I wanted a gun I was not concerned about getting wet or dinged-up. Turns out, it shoots great, feeds ammo my Kimber chokes on, and is much lighter to carry. I've since picked up a couple of 19s and a 41 - all great shooters.
They are not pretty, and you won't likely be handing them down to your Great Grandchildren, but they are great tools you can rely on.
As others have stated, the trigger and sights are easy and cheap to modify to your liking. I prefer cheap Fobus paddle holsters for all.
Glock = Timex

rondog

01-14-2016, 02:34

Guess I need to rent a Glock someday and experience the love myself. Everybody seems to like 'em, I've never even held one.

Striker fired pistols still make me nervous for CCW though.....

Mazin

01-14-2016, 03:30

Guess I need to rent a Glock someday and experience the love myself. Everybody seems to like 'em, I've never even held one.

Striker fired pistols still make me nervous for CCW though.....

On the Glock the Safety plunger completely blocks the striker (hence the reason they wont fire when dropped from a heli)

Mista Bukit

01-14-2016, 05:50

For my job I have to train on the GLOCK 19 every 2 years, I was at the facility a few weeks ago and were using the Gen 4s and they were new to the program. I was talking to the Armorer there and this is the first time they replaced the pistols there so I am guessing 10+ years at probably 2,500 rounds a week- that's a lot of shooting. The only repeatable malfunction I have experienced is one time we had some frangible (we were told it was a bad lot) ammo so you would get maybe 3 stovepipes a day but I blame that on the ammo.

Gman

01-14-2016, 08:13

Striker fired pistols still make me nervous for CCW though.....
Why?

cmailliard

01-14-2016, 08:43

I have my Grandpa's .45 from WWII other than that I am all Glock.

My primary CCW is a Gen 3 Glock 23 with Surefire XC1 Light, Talon Grips (love them), Trijicon HD Sights, and Oversized Mag Release in an INCOG holster. I love this setup.
My backup CCW is a Glock 42 with Trijicon HD Sights and Talon Grips in an ankle holster

I have two Glock 22's both Gen 3. Both have Trijicon HD Sights and TLR1HL lights on them.

I have 9mm barrels for the 22 and 23 and sometimes shoot the 9mm. It is more of resource multiplier than anything else.

I like the Glock platform, which is weird because the grip angle is completely different than what I like on my rifles. I like the simplicity of the gun, I am a huge fan of simplicity, the ease at which you can take it apart is fantastic. Very few parts to break and if you do they are easy to find and fix yourself.

I have been carrying a Glock (Either a 27, the 23, or 42) since 2004. I always carry with a round in the chamber. I would never consider doing anything else.

Like others have said, find a gun you can shoot well, that you can carry comfortable, that you will carry comfortably. If you find those three things you should be good to go, then get out and train!

Trigger Time 23

01-14-2016, 08:51

I like them for 2 reasons- they are light and easy to clean.

rock_castle

01-14-2016, 09:41

The G19 might be the perfect CC pistol. It has the perfect blend of size, weight, and capacity.

roberth

01-14-2016, 09:56

Glock 19 is a great gun and i shoot it just fine. I prefer the Sig P320, feels better and more natural for me.

RonMexico

01-14-2016, 10:15

I won't bore you with the details, but if I could only own one handgun it would be a Glock 19.

Agreed.

Sounds like you picked a winner. I was anti- Glock several years ago but now my wife and I only own Glock 9mm.

Sawin

01-14-2016, 10:46

I echo the posts before me, and i've owned, carried or shot hundreds of different pistols... Glocks are just simple, reliable, common, relatively cheap and thoughtfully designed... what's not to like?

sandman76

01-14-2016, 11:05

A little late to the party here but the other day I was telling a couple guys that work with me. If I could only have one handgun it would be a Glock 19. The details of why are fully laid out in previous posts in this thread.

Mick-Boy

01-14-2016, 12:06

I'll get on the "What Ray1970 said" bandwagon.

I carried a 1911 for a couple of years. In 2005 I was trying out for a job that required I qual with/carry a G19. I bought one to train with and it started to grow on me. I think I started using a Glock 19 as my CCW in about 2006. I've carried G19s in several countries. In temperatures ranging from sub zero to the 130s. Mountains, deserts, coastal areas, and cities. They're simple, reliable, and accurate. Easy to conceal and easy to shoot well. It's my go-to handgun. (my wife carries one too)

SAnd

01-14-2016, 12:28

This is why I always advise people to shoot before you buy. Glocks just don't fit me. I can't aim them without problems. They point about 20 degrees high and half that right. That said I have four. I 'contoured' the lower grips on two of them, one I built up the upper grip area and the third I put a stock on it. I like them now.

I never had anything against them except they didn't fit my hand. I have never had any reliability problems and they are easy to work on. I strongly urge people to test fire any gun they plan on using because of my experience with Glocks and some other guns.

Joe_K

01-14-2016, 12:49

TFOGGER

01-14-2016, 13:11

... Strange how no one complains about the Luger though.

Maybe because nobody can reassemble one after they field strip it? [ROFL1]

I have a g19 and a 26. I probably don't shoot them as well as a 1911(not as instinctively natural pointing), but they are boringly reliable, incredibly durable, and relatively inexpensive. Truth be told, I'm a klutz when I'm NOT being stressed, so I can expect that to be amplified in a stress situation, and the Glocks require an absolute minimum of fine motor skills to operate effectively.

3beansalad

01-14-2016, 14:33

I like that every Glock is essentially identical. Controls are the 'same' no matter the model or caliber. Parts are readily available. No matter what you need for maintenance or repair, it's easily procured locally or online. Customization is easy and can be done by the owner. All you need is a 3/32 punch for complete dis assembly (sights and the firing pin channel liner are the only exceptions I can think of.) Cleaning is simple, but rarely essential. Sights are easy to install and there might be thousands of possible combinations for aftermarket sights. The only thing you are limited by is the $ you're willing to invest.

I carry and shoot all of my Glocks. The 19 and 43 are the busiest in the CC rotation right now, driven by clothing choices. I plan to expand my current selections - finishing all the 9mm models first. Some of those are gonna cost me. A 19C will probably be pricey addition.

Drawbacks? They just don't fit everyone, and if someone starts off with an older RTF2 model they'll think they all eat your hand up when shooting. Factory sights are only functional, the plastic sights look cheap and don't inspire confidence. I've never seen any broken, though I'm sure it wouldn't take much effort to destroy them.

My single stacks were more finicky than any other when new. Used to be Glocks didn't have a break-in period. Not so with those models in my experience.

ray1970

01-14-2016, 17:29

I will have to agree with what some people have said about the grip angle and pointability of the Glock. Some people love it and some people don't.

I'm one of the people that it really works well for. Most handguns seem to point low for me if I draw them and throw them up in a hurry. The Glock comes up right where I want it to point.

SAnd

01-14-2016, 18:17

With the appropriate amount of purposeful, & meaningful repetitions any handgun can fit any person well.
The Luger and the Glock both have extremely similar ergonomic styles. Strange how no one complains about the Luger though.
The Glock grips are tapered front to back. The Luger grips are parallel front to back. Lugers point naturally but Glocks don't. When I re-contoured the Glock grips I made the back grip parallel to the front. Now the Glock points naturally without kinking my wrist. I'm not going to fight with something that my life would depend on. It may be possible to get it to fit well after "appropriate amount of purposeful, & meaningful repetitions" but in a high stress situation I am not going to risk going back to what comes naturally.

This isn't a criticism of Glocks. They are excellent guns but not everybody is the same. Not everybody has the time, money or physical capability to practice enough to overcome a gun that doesn't naturally fit them. This is why I urge shooting before you buy. Off the shelf they are not the gun for me. When I start to carry a gun there is a good chance that it will be one of the Glocks that I carved on that now fit my hands.

hurley842002

01-14-2016, 18:18

Gman

01-14-2016, 18:54

With the appropriate amount of purposeful, & meaningful repetitions any handgun can fit any person well.
That would be true if everyone was a clone. Only the Glock frames come from a mould. Human hands have many different anatomical forms.

Strange how no one complains about the Luger though.
How many people even have access to a Luger?

I plan to expand my current selections - finishing all the 9mm models first. Some of those are gonna cost me. A 19C will probably be pricey addition.
I figured the 18/18c would be the pricey one. [Coffee]

ray1970

01-14-2016, 19:06

I was going to try to get the 19 in all of the different colored frames. The OD green ones seem a little hard to find though.

hurley842002

01-14-2016, 19:16

How many people even have access to a Luger?

Kind of what I was thinking, and those that do have access, I doubt they are using them as a CCW pistol or running them through classes.

HoneyBadger

01-14-2016, 20:26

I carry and shoot all of my Glocks. The 19 and 43 are the busiest in the CC rotation right now, driven by clothing choices. I plan to expand my current selections - finishing all the 9mm models first. Some of those are gonna cost me. A 19C will probably be pricey addition.

My first handgun was a 19C. The round count on it now is somewhere between 6-7k, I think. I stopped officially counting around 4k. I just don't see the point of it anymore. I replace the guide rod and recoil spring every few years or if it starts having cycling failures. Be aware that the ported barrel makes the internals significantly dirtier and you will have a lot of carbon build-up on the inside of the slide and lots of carbon and dirt in the trigger bar area.

Great-Kazoo

01-14-2016, 22:03

Kind of what I was thinking, and those that do have access, I doubt they are using them as a CCW pistol or running them through classes.

It's not the availability of the gun that sucks. It's the price per mag, since most lugers come with one. The other seems to disappear, yet be on the mag display rack for $25-40 per.

Honey Badger282.8

01-14-2016, 22:31

I'll put myself in the minority that likes the looks and aesthetics of the Glock pistol, especially the Gen 4. I don't understand why people say they're ugly.

hurley842002

01-14-2016, 22:59

I'll put myself in the minority that likes the looks and aesthetics of the Glock pistol, especially the Gen 4. I don't understand why people say they're ugly.

I agree, after being a Glock guy for so long, I look at some of the competition and feel there is just too much going on aesthetically.

spqrzilla

01-15-2016, 17:14

Luger? They shoot like crap.

Squeeze

01-15-2016, 17:28

I've owned Glock models 22, 27, 23 and 19 over the years. I still have my model 19 and I love it. What I love about Glock: Simple, easy to maintain, work very well under adverse conditions, and easy to accessorize. What I don't like about Glock: Fat (unless you get a 42 or 43), not extremely comfortable to carry IWB, and the infamous "Glock finger" you get from the trigger guard (of course if you're skilled with a dremel you can fix that).

HoneyBadger

01-15-2016, 19:02

Luger? They shoot like crap.
Luger? I never even saw 'er!

Irving

01-15-2016, 19:24

Luger? I never even saw 'er!

Lol, and you bust my chops for my puns?

Great-Kazoo

01-15-2016, 19:53

Lol, and you bust my chops for my puns?

Both of you should find better paying daytime jobs.

HoneyBadger

01-15-2016, 20:10

Lol, and you bust my chops for my puns?
[Abused]

I was really hoping you'd see that.

68Charger

01-15-2016, 20:13

With the appropriate amount of purposeful, & meaningful repetitions any handgun can fit any person well.

I'm going to call Bovine Scatology on this one... if your anatomy is similar to the Gaston Glock family, maybe... maybe we just have different standards of what "well" means...

Only Glock I've ever liked enough to own was a G20 (not the sissy SF version, either[Poke])... it shot well, but I was mediocre at aiming it... maybe the grip angle?

Pistols are the most personal of all firearms... I tried a G19, and hated it (it was a Gen2)... felt like a lego gun in my hand... maybe I just have different hands than the Austrians... or at least Gaston and the Glock Family.(I'm a mutt, but mostly German decent)

When I tried an M&P with the largest grip strap, I was in love... I upgraded to a Crimson Trace laser (includes back strap bigger than largest S&W one), and it got even better...
I do decent with 1911's (especially if they have extended/bulged mainspring housings), and that was my first handgun (a Rock Island Tactical)... and I did ok with an M92 as well (just didn't feel like a glove).

I'm hunting for a 10mm gun, and have thought of getting a G20 or G40- but the G20 I owned didn't wow me, it was just ok.
I've thought of a EAA witness in 10mm (I'm looking for >10rnd capacity)... because it would probably fit better.
But I bought a Caspian high-cap frame years ago (and bought mags before the deadline)... and am inclined to build it as a 10mm

Joe_K

01-15-2016, 21:34

HoneyBadger

01-15-2016, 22:29

With any properly assembled handgun and using the correct ammunition at a reasonable distance, say 100 yards and closer, when the shooter aligns the sights, and then properly presses the trigger the bullet will hit where the sights were pointing the moment the ass end of the projectile left contact with the barrel crown. Grip angle, feel, texture, color, caliber, size, weight, brand, eye dominance, or the amount of bovine feces at a dairy farm have zip to do with it.
If that were really true, then world class competitors would all just use unmodified Glock 19s. Fact is, they don't.

hunterhawk

01-15-2016, 22:49

I own a G34 and a G36... the 34 is a gen 4 that I am getting used to but the 36 is probably a late gen 2 or early gen 3 SF and I love that freaking gun! But i shot my buddies glock 19c along side my glock 34 and I also shot his Glock 26 and the G19 was by far the best shooting and most fun to shoot gun! I am still looking for a decent priced G19 C... for what its worth I was a sig guy up until I tried the gen 3 and gen 4 glcoks and the handles fit my hand perfectly.. now my sig handle feels funky... crazy how that works!

hurley842002

01-15-2016, 23:06

68Charger

01-15-2016, 23:21

With any properly assembled handgun and using the correct ammunition at a reasonable distance, say 100 yards and closer, when the shooter aligns the sights, and then properly presses the trigger the bullet will hit where the sights were pointing the moment the ass end of the projectile left contact with the barrel crown. Grip angle, feel, texture, color, caliber, size, weight, brand, eye dominance, or the amount of bovine feces at a dairy farm have zip to do with it.

Given enough time, and bags to brace on, maybe... But time on target, recovery time, trigger pull, and just plain confidence come into play...

With some handguns I'm faster AND more accurate at the same time, which is why I carry what I shoot well. And no amount of your bravado will convince me otherwise.

ray1970

01-15-2016, 23:35

Joe_K

01-16-2016, 08:11

So, you must be a huge fan of the hi-point pistols.
Lol.

Joe_K

01-16-2016, 08:26

Given enough time, and bags to brace on, maybe... But time on target, recovery time, trigger pull, and just plain confidence come into play...

With some handguns I'm faster AND more accurate at the same time, which is why I carry what I shoot well. And no amount of your bravado will convince me otherwise.
No bravado here, just facts. If you have a gun (s) and you like it and it works for you more power to you.

I'm simply trying to dispel the myth that grip angle has anything to do with a handguns shootability, or accuracy. Every student in a class I've ever seen that said they didn't like Glocks based on feel and ergonomic comfort changed their mind after they shot one with a good grip technique. Glocks don't shoot low, left, high, or right. (Aside from incorrectly attached sights, damaged barrel crowns etc.) When driving to the hospital at 2 a.m going down the freeway at 100mph, with a dying loved one in the back seat, does anyone care how comfortable the steering wheel on the car is? Where are your hands positioned on the wheel?

People casually, and incorrectly grip their handguns and then wonder why they have poor results. There are guns that naturally "point" better than others which is great if you are point shooting. The nubby things on the top of the gun is what we are trying to use to get accurate hits on target.

Largely new shooters don't know what's right or wrong technique, and older/experienced shooters have bad habits. Guess what gets blamed? The gun.

The appropriate meaningful repetitions allow someone to gain confidence in their skill set. Not how the gun feels.

davsel

01-16-2016, 08:55

Larry Vickers: Shoot a Glock, But Buy a 1911
http://www.alloutdoor.com/2015/07/17/larry-vickers-shoot-glock-buy-1911/

Gman

01-16-2016, 09:53

Pretty sure they only make the 36 in one flavor....
2 now that they added the 36 SF. The 36 has a different grip shape and it's one of the few Glocks that works for me.

The PPS with the large backstrap is another that fits my hand well.

HoneyBadger

01-16-2016, 09:59

No bravado here, just facts. If you have a gun (s) and you like it and it works for you more power to you.

I'm simply trying to dispel the myth that grip angle has anything to do with a handguns shootability, or accuracy. Every student in a class I've ever seen that said they didn't like Glocks based on feel and ergonomic comfort changed their mind after they shot one with a good grip technique. Glocks don't shoot low, left, high, or right. (Aside from incorrectly attached sights, damaged barrel crowns etc.) When driving to the hospital at 2 a.m going down the freeway at 100mph, with a dying loved one in the back seat, does anyone care how comfortable the steering wheel on the car is? Where are your hands positioned on the wheel?

People casually, and incorrectly grip their handguns and then wonder why they have poor results. There are guns that naturally "point" better than others which is great if you are point shooting. The nubby things on the top of the gun is what we are trying to use to get accurate hits on target.

Largely new shooters don't know what's right or wrong technique, and older/experienced shooters have bad habits. Guess what gets blamed? The gun.

The appropriate meaningful repetitions allow someone to gain confidence in their skill set. Not how the gun feels.
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/153779-I-shot-a-Glock-19-today?p=1949344&viewfull=1#post1949344

davsel

01-16-2016, 10:05

2 now that they added the 36 SF. The 36 has a different grip shape and it's one of the few Glocks that works for me.

The PPS with the large backstrap is another that fits my hand well.

There's a 30SF, but only one 36 - double stack vs single - completely different grip

Gman

01-16-2016, 10:18

There's a 30SF, but only one 36 - double stack vs single - completely different grip
Damn memory. Getting old sucks. Could have sworn they announced a 36 SF a couple of years ago.

Joe_K

01-16-2016, 10:20

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/153779-I-shot-a-Glock-19-today?p=1949344&viewfull=1#post1949344
Didn't say buy one and leave it stock.

davsel

01-16-2016, 10:28

Damn memory. Getting old sucks. Could have sworn they announced a 36 SF a couple of years ago.
Some people have put the 36 slide onto the 30SF frame with a 21 mag and claim it is the best CC Glock ever - "nevah been done befoe"

68Charger

01-16-2016, 10:57

There are guns that naturally "point" better than others which is great if you are point shooting. The nubby things on the top of the gun is what we are trying to use to get accurate hits on target.

That is the point I was making- I practice point shooting when trying to get shots on a target (threat) quickly at self-defence range. You could have done it without the condescending tone about "nubby things" (yes, I also practice accurate shots at greater distance- but how likely am I to be legally defending myself at 50-100 yards?) I guess condescension is a hallmark of Glock "aficionados".

Maybe given enough training time I could become adequately proficient with a G-lock, but if I don't enjoy shooting them, then it's not going to be a good experience, and I'll probably hate it even more by the time I'm done- and so I won't carry it. If I won't carry it after spending all that time training on it, then the time is wasted. I'll stick with what works for me.

hurley842002

01-16-2016, 12:13

2 now that they added the 36 SF. The 36 has a different grip shape and it's one of the few Glocks that works for me.

The PPS with the large backstrap is another that fits my hand well.

Shows how long I've been away from whoring Glocks, I even went to Glocks website to verify before I posted, oh well.

ETA: just saw post 92 and 93, not much into arguing these days I guess lol.

HoneyBadger

01-16-2016, 13:22

Didn't say buy one and leave it stock.
Okay, then all competitors should use the same gun with the same modifications, since everyone can shoot any gun with the same level of proficiency after adequate training.... right?

Do you not see the flaw in your proposal?

Joe_K

01-16-2016, 13:24

That is the point I was making- I practice point shooting when trying to get shots on a target (threat) quickly at self-defence range. You could have done it without the condescending tone about "nubby things" (yes, I also practice accurate shots at greater distance- but how likely am I to be legally defending myself at 50-100 yards?) I guess condescension is a hallmark of Glock "aficionados".

Maybe given enough training time I could become adequately proficient with a G-lock, but if I don't enjoy shooting them, then it's not going to be a good experience, and I'll probably hate it even more by the time I'm done- and so I won't carry it. If I won't carry it after spending all that time training on it, then the time is wasted. I'll stick with what works for me.
Not condescending at all, reading text can often times not allow someone to see sarcasm, or humor well. Happens to me all the time. I refer to trigger fingers as bugger pickers, triggers as bang switches, sights as nubby things etc. I'm not hard to get along with, nor do I attempt to piss off people. Disagreements amongst shooters should never alienate, only provoke thought, and cause self questioning. If you think I look down on you your wrong. I just have a different opinion than you on something NOT worth dying over, therefore not worth getting upset over.

68Charger

01-16-2016, 14:28

Not upset, just misinterpreting attitude...

We're good[Beer]

hunterhawk

01-17-2016, 01:37

Hmm if it's not a SF it still feels better than most! And it's definitely skinnier than a 26 or other such glocks that I have handled..

Great-Kazoo

01-17-2016, 10:47

Not upset, just misinterpreting attitude...

We're good[Beer]

Maybe you should ask the mods to change the title of the thread.

[Coffee]

68Charger

01-17-2016, 11:59

Maybe you should ask the mods to change the title of the thread.

Who knew a Mod would take me seriously? Besides, "Always" quote isn't actually his either...

I gotta admit, TheGrey's title made me think of this (can't get it to embed at the time mark):

https://youtu.be/_ENZioGLjMI?t=173

(I couldn't find a picture of a Glock hit with a bullet- just Kabooms.)

TheGrey

01-17-2016, 20:49

Who knew a Mod would take me seriously? Besides, "Always" quote isn't actually his either...

I gotta admit, TheGrey's title made me think of this (can't get it to embed at the time mark):

https://youtu.be/_ENZioGLjMI?t=173

(I couldn't find a picture of a Glock hit with a bullet- just Kabooms.)

[LOL]

That was hilarious! I never would have thought of that. Thanks for the laugh. :)