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porfiriozg
01-24-2016, 22:18
This has been bugging me for a while now, I know the older SKS is a c&r gun but do the new reproduction guns qualify as c&r or is it teated like any new gun.

Just asking cause I don't watch news and haven't really looked on this site[Bang]

Gunner
01-24-2016, 22:18
Treated as new does not count


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Great-Kazoo
01-24-2016, 22:21
This has been bugging me for a while now, I know the older SKS is a c&r gun but do the new reproduction guns qualify as c&r or is it teated like any new gun.

Just asking cause I don't watch news and haven't really looked on this site[Bang]

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios-relics
A C&R once altered from it's ORIGINAL configuration does not qualify.


Firearms automatically attain C&R status when they are 50 years old. Any firearm that is at least 50 years old, and in its original configuration, would qualify as a C&R firearm.

porfiriozg
01-24-2016, 22:37
I was tinking new production of a 50 year old design

That and realized atf had website, that's rather specific

Big E3
01-25-2016, 17:59
Here is an excerpt of a BATF publication. Under (a) it excludes replicas. In the paragraph following a. b. c. it states all guns are C&R eligible if over fifty years old and may not appear on any list. One of the exceptions to the fifty year rule is that Winchester Commemoratives are C&R eligible and are on the C&R list.

Firearms Curios or Relics List
A regulation implementing Federal firearms laws, 27 CFR Section 478.11, defines C&R firearms as those which are of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons.

To be recognized as C&R items, 478.11 specifies that firearms must fall within one of the following categories:

a. Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas of such firearms;
b. Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and
c. Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event.

Firearms automatically attain C&R status when they are 50 years old. Any firearm that is at least 50 years old, and in its original configuration, would qualify as a C&R firearm. It is not necessary for such firearms to be listed in ATF’s C&R list. Therefore, ATF does not generally list firearms in the C&R publication by virtue of their age. However, if you wish for a classification of your particular firearm under categories (b) or (c) above and wish your item to be listed, you may submit the weapon to the Firearms Technology Branch (FTB) for a formal classification.

Please note that firearms regulated under the National Firearms Act (NFA) may be classified as C&R items, but still may be subject to the provisions of the NFA. If your C&R item is an NFA firearm (e.g., Winchester Trappers) and you desire removal from the NFA status, you must submit it to FTB for evaluation and a formal classification.

spqrzilla
01-27-2016, 11:42
There is an exception to the unaltered from original state requirement. The Spanish FR7 and FR8 rifles are C&R in their modified configurations as issued after being modified from the original service Mauser 95/98 configurations.

ben4372
01-29-2016, 01:29
There was a book that they gave out when you got your kit. I assume it is online now. There are modern C&r guns, I then the Bren 10 is. The book I got 10 years ago had a ton of under 50 years guns, even listed by serial number. They were mostly collectible one offs and other guns not likely to see the range.