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Yesterday Sen. Tim Neville's bill SB 16-017 was heard by the Senate State, Veterans and Military Affairs Committee. It passed, three votes in favor and two opposed, and moves on to the Senate Finance Committee. This bill, if passed, would eliminate the requirement for a government permit to carry a concealed handgun. The permit system would stay in place, mainly for reciprocity purposes. Under the bill it would be illegal for persons who cannot legally possess a handgun to carry it. A similar bill passed the State Senate last year, but died in the State House.
A bill to repeal the 2013 magazine capacity ban, HB 16-1024, has also been introduced. In the House it is sponsored by Rep's Saine, Humphrey, Buck, Everett, Joshi, Neville P., Nordberg, Ransom and Klingenschmitt. Senate sponsors are Senators Neville and Marble. It is assigned to the House State, Veterans and Military Affairs Committee. Last year all the pro-gun bills in the House died in this committee.
Is Senator Neville, Pat Neville, by any chance?
Tim Neville is a Colorado State Senator. He is also running to be the Republican U.S. Senate candidate, to challenge Michael Bennet. His son Pat Neville is a Colorado State Representative. So the sponsor of SB 16-017 is Tim Neville. He is also a sponsor of the magazine ban repeal, HB 16-1024, as is Pat Neville. Both Tim and Pat are very pro-gun.
68Charger
01-28-2016, 13:55
Hopeful... Senate is R majority- the House will be the hard one to pass.
I went to school with Pat Neville. He was one of the very few people who's name I even knew during college.
Great-Kazoo
01-28-2016, 16:50
Hopeful... Senate is R majority- the House will be the hard one to pass.
The governor holds the pass or veto pen. Wouldn't hold my breath on these.
SA Friday
01-28-2016, 17:51
The governor holds the pass or veto pen. Wouldn't hold my breath on these.
Come on. Hold your breath everyone.
68Charger
01-28-2016, 18:02
Come on. Hold your breath everyone.
Isn't that what Colorado is known for now? (After a toke)
[hahhah-no]
KestrelBike
01-28-2016, 22:27
Isn't that what Colorado is known for now? (After a toke)
[hahhah-no]
Hope the bills Puff Puff... pass?
Bailey Guns
01-29-2016, 07:59
There's a bill working it's way thru the process for expanded no-permit carry here in Idaho. The law here is a bit confusing...you don't need a permit to carry concealed as long as you don't enter city limits (includes having a gun in your car). Statewide open carry is allowed. The bill would just remove the "inside city limits" part. Permit process wouldn't change so carry in other states wouldn't be affected.
Probably a better chance of passing here than in CO. But I'm hopeful the pendulum will swing this year in CO...who knows?
ETA: Mrs BG got stopped by a trooper for 80/65 about a week ago. Against my previous advice she told trooper she had a loaded gun in the car. According to her he smiled and said, "We have this little game we play here. Don't show me yours and I won't show you mine." Then he gave her a warning for speeding.
Zundfolge
01-29-2016, 12:36
Hopeful... Senate is R majority- the House will be the hard one to pass.
The governor holds the pass or veto pen. Wouldn't hold my breath on these.
FORCE them to vote it down.
FORCE Hick to veto it.
FORCE them to make a clear stand against the rights of the people every chance you can. Then hold them all accountable in November.
The permitless carry bill is scheduled to be heard by the Senate Finance Committee tomorrow, February 2, 2016 at 2pm. The members of this committee are: Senators Neville, Hill, Holbert, Kerr and Johnston. Given the pro-gun, majority Republican makeup of the committee, the bill is highly likely to pass out of this committee and be sent to the full Senate for a vote. It may face a very tough road in the State House after that, but it is one step at a time.
Why does this have to go through the finance committee?
Why does this have to go through the finance committee?
Economic and budgetary impact assessment. In this case, the effect of the bill would be a reduction in costs to the state, pretty much guaranteeing it will pass this committee.
Aloha_Shooter
02-01-2016, 17:06
ETA: Mrs BG got stopped by a trooper for 80/65 about a week ago. Against my previous advice she told trooper she had a loaded gun in the car. According to her he smiled and said, "We have this little game we play here. Don't show me yours and I won't show you mine." Then he gave her a warning for speeding.
That's a good trooper there. I like that -- much better than the one who asked me why I felt the need for a CCW permit before he gave me my warning.
Circuits
02-01-2016, 17:32
Hickenpooper will veto anything that makes it to his desk "out of conscience" - just like he's done before.
ETA: Sorry, there's no Santa Claus, either...
KestrelBike
02-02-2016, 19:00
That's a good trooper there. I like that -- much better than the one who asked me why I felt the need for a CCW permit before he gave me my warning.
What'd you tell him?
Aloha_Shooter
02-03-2016, 00:29
What'd you tell him?
Same reason I carry first aid kits: I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
ETA: Sorry, there's no Santa Claus, either...
SONOFA....
rock_castle
02-03-2016, 08:50
FORCE them to vote it down.
FORCE Hick to veto it.
FORCE them to make a clear stand against the rights of the people every chance you can. Then hold them all accountable in November.
Yep. We need it on the record to hold them accountable.
Yep. We need it on the record to hold them accountable.
Yeah, because holding them accountable worked so well in the last election. All the recalled seats went right back to D.
Yeah, because holding them accountable worked so well in the last election. All the recalled seats went right back to D.
Gerrymandering is the best!
Yeah, because holding them accountable worked so well in the last election. All the recalled seats went right back to D.
Sen John Morse's seat did go to an anti gun Democrat, Mike Merrifield. But Evie Hudak's seat is currently held by a very pro-gun Republican, Laura Woods. And the person holding Sen. Angela Giron's old seat was replaced with a Democrat, Leroy Garcia. Sen Garcia has a mixed record on guns, when he was a Representative in the Colorado House in 2013 he did vote against final passage of the high capacity magazine ban, and against CBI charging gun purchasers a tax on their purchase. Then Rep Garcia did vote for the private sale background check bill. He also voted against HB 13-1226, which would have barred CHP holders from carrying at colleges (that bill passed the House but was killed in the Senate).
So three anti gun Democrats were replaced with one anti-gun Democrat, one pro-gun Republican and one Democrat who has a mixed record on guns. The pro-gun Republican also represents the one vote majority Republicans have in the State Senate, a change from before the recalls when both chambers were majority Democrat.
And this one passed 3-2, on it's way to Senate Appropriations where it'll die. Also there is no reciprocity in this bill so a permit would still be required if going to a state that recognizes Colorado's permit.
The permitless carry bill, SB 16-017 will be heard by the Senate Appropriations Committee on Friday February 12, 2016. They will start at 8AM, and have a large pile of bills to consider. The members of the committee are Senators Kevin Grantham, Kent Lambert, LeRoy Garcia, Pat Steadman, Mary Hodge, Laura Woods and Jerry Sonnenberg. Given there is a Republican majority the bill should pass and be sent to the full Senate for consideration next week. This will be a chance for Democratic Sen. Garcia, who holds Angela Giron's old seat, to vote pro-gun. If you live in his district in the Pueblo area, you might encourage him to do the right thing on this bill.
This will be a chance for Democratic Sen. Garcia, who holds Angela Giron's old seat, to vote pro-gun.
This will be a chance for Democratic Sen. Garcia, who holds Angela Giron's old seat, to vote pro-self-defense.
FIFY.
Use that terminology when contacting the Senator.
O2
This morning SB 16-017 passed out of the Appropriations Committee, on a 4 to 3 vote, and will go to the whole Senate for a vote, probably next week. All the Republican members of the committee voted for the bill, all the Democrats voted against it. A similar bill passed out of the Senate last year, but died in the House.
It's always fun to see pro 2A legislation initiated but, in all honesty, it's just a dog and pony show more often than not.
Zundfolge
02-12-2016, 13:37
It's always fun to see pro 2A legislation initiated but, in all honesty, it's just a dog and pony show more often than not.
Thing is you have to keep putting this kind of legislation up even though you know it won't pass in order to keep the issue in the forefront.
Not putting up this doomed legislation will guarantee that it won't come up when we do have the power to pass it (and won't give us the opportunity to use the gun laws as a bludgeon against the Dems).
SB 16-017 is scheduled to be considered by the whole Senate on Wednesday February 17, 2016. Please do encourage your senator to vote in favor of this bill. Assuming it passes, it will then move on to the House for consideration.
So how did it die?
The 2nd reading vote got put off until today, Feb. 18. Assuming it passes this vote there will be a third reading vote for final passage, and then it moves on to the House.
The second reading on this bill keeps getting put off for one more day. That happened on the 18th and again on Friday the 19th. The Senate is supposed to take it up again today.
The Senate did finally vote on SB 16-017 today, and it passed on a voice vote. It will have to have a third reading and vote, and assuming it passes there, it will then move on to the Colorado House. The third reading & vote should happen in the next few days.
buffalobo
02-22-2016, 19:21
Thanks for the update James.
Everybody needs to hit the phones and emails pressing your Senator to vote for it.
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