View Full Version : Is class room training enough for permit
tmjohnson
02-09-2016, 18:50
I have been checking into getting concealed carry for myself and wife.
I have found a course that is given by a reputable instructor but it is only class room.
Do you need handgun training?
This is for Pueblo county?
You are not required by Colorado Revised Statutes to complete a course with a live fire portion to obtain a CCW. This is per state law, and the counties have very little room to wiggle from this. About the only thing they have been able to do so far is disallow online only courses in certain counties, and frankly, that may be for the best anyways if we are going to require training. Now constitutional carry is another argument, and my opinion swings in favor of that as well, so I find myself feeling a bit of a hypocrite on favoring in person classes only, but I digress.
However, I'd recommend a class with a live fire portion, or additional training sought after applying for your CCW, especially if you don't have prior training drawing from holster or from under concealment.
I didn't do live fire in my class. Hell, the instructor knew me and knew I couldn't hit anything with a handgun and still passed me.
Great-Kazoo
02-09-2016, 19:03
As J said, not required. BUT suggested to seek live fire training afterward.
Getting training and keeping up with your skills is a good idea, regardless of the law.
HoneyBadger
02-09-2016, 19:11
My CCW instructor was J. [Awesom]
It was an excellent class, but a classroom can only teach classroom things. Proper training is the most important thing when working with any piece of equipment, ESPECIALLY if you trust your life with it.
Proper training is the most important thing when working with any piece of equipment, ESPECIALLY if you trust your life with it.
Learning about your gas mask in a classroom is just not the same as seeing all of the Chili-Mac they fed the platoon before getting the special walk and talk in the gas chamber. [LOL]
More training is better, and live fire is better than no live fire. That said, no single class is going to prepare anyone for actually having to every user their firearm in self-defense. The difference between having taken a class with live fire, and not, we'll be completely meaningless if that is the only training/practice one ever receives.
What I'm saying is that if you're interested in potentially carrying a firearm out in public, PLEASE get as much trigger time as possible.
tmjohnson
02-09-2016, 20:35
Using or training with a firearm really isn't an issue. My son in law is on a SWAT team and he has spent many weekends teaching us shooting in all different positions, and scenarios. And we fire several thousand rounds a year.
Thanks for your input.
That is wonderful to hear.
Another consideration may be what comes up in discovery in the unfortunate event that you need to defend yourself and a civil suit follows. Regardless of whether you feel you'll greatly benefit form live fire training, perhaps the jury will respond better to having taken a class that want considered to be a "bargain."
Honestly, the chances of you finding yourself in that situation are so low that it may not be worth losing any sleep over. The law says live fire is not required. The class I took didn't have it.
tmjohnson
02-09-2016, 20:53
Irving
Point well taken on how it looks in a court of law, we will take a course on using a handgun
Thank you
Great-Kazoo
02-09-2016, 21:58
That is wonderful to hear.
Another consideration may be what comes up in discovery in the unfortunate event that you need to defend yourself and a civil suit follows. Regardless of whether you feel you'll greatly benefit form live fire training, perhaps the jury will respond better to having taken a class that want considered to be a "bargain."
Honestly, the chances of you finding yourself in that situation are so low that it may not be worth losing any sleep over. The law says live fire is not required. The class I took didn't have it.
Irving
Point well taken on how it looks in a court of law, we will take a course on using a handgun
Thank you
How anything Looks in a court of law is up to the attorneys. You don't say shit until there's legal representation in your corner. Your experience is either admitted or not. REMEMBER This is a civil suit, not a criminal trial, the rules are different .
You're going to be sued no matter what.
All the training in the world means nothing, if one doesn't have the mind set to survive.
Great-Kazoo
02-09-2016, 23:40
Better Call Saul!
Who does Saul Call ;)
Saul calls me. And in spite of this, "That said, no single class is going to prepare anyone for actually having to every user their firearm in self-defense"(sp), (The handgun safety class isn't intended to prepare one for a self defense encounter"),
what I see in my classes is FRIGHTENING. The basic handgun safety class, (the Colorado requirement), being only a textbook/non-firing class, doesn't prepare someone with no experience to safely carry a handgun. The class WITH a firing portion is considerably more beneficial to the low/no experience student. BUT, doesn't prepare one for high-stress, never-before-encountered situation of a self-defense event. Not one of my basic students has called back for an advanced class.
I don't believe it should be a requirement, as it would be the ONLY Constitutional right that required an official, required class to exercise. But, and it's a bigger but than one of the "Butt Sisters", (except for maybe...Bertha Butt,) it's a REALLY good idea.
Non shooters with a handgun are DANGEROUS. To themselves and others. This is based solely on my experience with them in my classes. You want particulars? I got 'em.
1. Thinking that because the magazine is no longer in the gun, it can't fire, because there is no round in the chamber. (Firearm specific). This was a HELL of a shock to one student.
2. Sweeping everything and everyone in the area with the muzzle...after being warned MANY times against the practice in the "classroom" portion of the class.
3. The only way to pick up a firearm is with the finger on the trigger.
4. "Why, when I shoot the paper target, is there a cloud of dust on the berm?"
I could go on, but you should get the idea.
That's more of less what I was trying to say.
Training is good. The more, the better.
Any amount of required training is bad.
O2
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