Diesel vs gasser?

[fly boy]

What's your opinions on the on going battle?

2012 f150 fx4 ecoboost with 30,000 miles
or
2006/2007 dodge 2500 mega cab that has a 5.9l diesel with 75,000 or less miles.

it will be a daily driver with a 80 mile trip one way every couple weeks.

There will always be pros and cons of each. I'm asking what is your opinion and why?

[mtnrider]

Do you need the towing power of the diesel? If not I would say the Ecoboost.

I have a 2006 2500 mega if you have any questions about them. Love it but they can also be costly (kind of hit or miss)

[laportecharlie]

The only way the diesel makes since to me is if you need it to tow or haul heavy loads. If you go with the ecoboost, be sure it comes with some kind of drivetrain warranty. More than a few of the early ones blew engines.

[Great-Kazoo]

Neither one has any real mileage on it. How long do you plan on keeping it. I look at what can i do at home with the tools on hand, IF it needed work.

[fly boy]

Neither one has any real mileage on it. How long do you plan on keeping it. I look at what can i do at home with the tools on hand, IF it needed work.

My last truck (nissan titan) I kept for over 8 years with minimal maintenance done to it. I plan on keeping the next one at least 10 years. In a couple years I would like to purchase a travel trailer (bumper pull) for family vacations once or twice a year.

The ecoboost's have a direct enjection system on them, so you need to drive it like a diesel..... Loads periodically or drive it like you stole it.

[Irving]

Do you actually need a truck?

[ray1970]

If you own, or plan to own, a large fifth wheel camper or you have some sort of other trailer that is large and heavy then go with the diesel. If you like $100 plus oil changes, go with the diesel. If you like frequent fuel filter replacements, go with the diesel.

Otherwise, I'd vote for the gas truck. But, I'm a fan of a good old V-8 engine. Turbo charged V-6 trucks just aren't my gig.

My my truck is rated at 390HP and 407 ft lbs of torque. It does everything I need it to do. But I seldom tow anything and when I do my load is usually well under 3500 lbs.

[ray1970]

Do you actually need a truck?

Everyone needs a truck.

[gnihcraes]

Look at the Dodge ecodiesel. Got that in my grand Cherokee, 30mpg is cool. 700 miles per tank. Highway.

Plenty of power, 420 ftlbs

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[sniper7]

Go for the diesel. I never look back now that I swapped over. Diesel can be more costly and ride rougher but when you pull anything it makes it all worth it. I love the sound, the power going straight to the ground with all the torque, the solid feel of the truck, knowing it is one of the bigger vehicles on the road to keep my kids safe when they are with me is a big bonus as well.

[Irving]

Everyone needs a truck.

As a daily driver? Hardly.

[Irving]

Look at the Dodge ecodiesel. Got that in my grand Cherokee, 30mpg is cool. 700 miles per tank. Highway.

Plenty of power, 420 ftlbs

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What year?

[fly boy]

Do you actually need a truck?

After a massive hail storm years ago that punched holes in my tonneau cover, and a growing family... We decided either an SUV or Truck with topper on it. I've loved having a truck with a topper.... so to me, yes we need the "UAV" - urban assault Vehicle


Go for the diesel. I never look back now that I swapped over. Diesel can be more costly and ride rougher but when you pull anything it makes it all worth it. I love the sound, the power going straight to the ground with all the torque, the solid feel of the truck, knowing it is one of the bigger vehicles on the road to keep my kids safe when they are with me is a big bonus as well.

Yeah, that's my man side saying yes. Reminds me of the TV show tool time with Tim Allen.... when he does his man grunt. As far as $100 oil changes and fuel filter changes..... I have a way around those and drop them to the price of a gas oil change. And Gas prices.... You need to run around 91 octane in the ecoboost which is more expensive that diesel. And if I get a diesel I can get used cooking oil and run a 50/50 mix to save fuel costs.

[colorider]

I own a 2011 ecoboost. Have 32000'miles on it. Not going to do a debate on a thread so pm me if you have questions Out of the total miles, 20,000 are towing a 20 foot travel trailer and a 450 Ktm in the truck bed. 55 gal of water and everything we can pack in the travel trailer.

[ColoradoTJ]

I would need to know your "must haves" over your wants. Diesels are not great short trip daily drivers. Thermal cycling will cost you in maintenance. My last two Dodge diesels were maintenance whores. One was a 02 HO, the other was a 04.5 common rail. If you go the diesel route, please do yourself a huge favor and do a third party inspection to include the following:

- leak down test
- cylinder drop out test
- ohm out the injector drivers. Anything at or over 1 ohm they are done.
- trans check.
- ball joints are getting close to the end of the life cycle

The ecoboost trucks seem to do good in dry climates like ours. East Texas and down south were you can drive at dew point can be an issue quick on these trucks. So far, my FIL has a 12' F150 EB and it has been pretty good. The steering can be an issue as well as the dew point issue. He has been in the dealership 3 times in 50k miles.


I chose the Tundra for my tow rig.

[ray1970]

As a daily driver? Hardly.

Who said anything about a daily driver?

[Grant H.]

As has been said, it depends entirely on whether you plan to tow any decent sized trailers or not.

If yes, get the diesel.

If no, get the gasser.

I tow trailers very frequently, for personal use and for work, and so I have a diesel for my personal truck (it's also a toy - 08 Ram 2500 6.7L/6 speed manual - currently at 525/1019 HP/TQ). The work truck is a 13 Duramax 3500 dually.

[ben4372]

If you own, or plan to own, a large fifth wheel camper or you have some sort of other trailer that is large and heavy then go with the diesel. If you like $100 plus oil changes, go with the diesel. If you like frequent fuel filter replacements, go with the diesel.

Otherwise, I'd vote for the gas truck. But, I'm a fan of a good old V-8 engine. Turbo charged V-6 trucks just aren't my gig.

My my truck is rated at 390HP and 407 ft lbs of torque. It does everything I need it to do. But I seldom tow anything and when I do my load is usually well under 3500 lbs.
+1 with this. I enjoy my 390HP V8. I Have driven the Eco boost too, and I liked it. It also got better MPG than mine. I'm sure Ford did their homework, just more complicated than I like.

[gnihcraes]

What year?

2015. It would get better mileage if I'd keep my foot out of it. Wife is getting 22+/- around town combined. Most seem to really like that engine in the 1500 ram.

[gnihcraes]

oh, and a friend who has the JGC with 5.7 Hemi, about pooped when we did some quick sprints with the Ecodiesel. Torgue. I towed the large popup around a few minutes, didn't seem to know it was there.

[mtnrider]

And Gas prices.... And if I get a diesel I can get used cooking oil and run a 50/50 mix to save fuel costs.

I would do some research on that before I tried it on a 3rd gen common rail. I don't think it works as well on the the newer gen's without some mods.

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[mtnrider]

Diesels are not great short trip daily drivers. Thermal cycling will cost you in maintenance. My last two Dodge diesels were maintenance whores. One was a 02 HO, the other was a 04.5 common rail. If you go the diesel route, please do yourself a huge favor and do a third party inspection to include the following:

- leak down test
- cylinder drop out test
- ohm out the injector drivers. Anything at or over 1 ohm they are done.
- trans check.
- ball joints are getting close to the end of the life cycle


^ Yep, all of the above. Injectors, all the front end steering components and the transmission are the weak points of the gen 3 Dodge cummins. I have had to replace the entire front end of my 2006 mega at 50K miles.

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[Irving]

What's your opinions on the on going battle?

2012 f150 fx4 ecoboost with 30,000 miles
or
2006/2007 dodge 2500 mega cab that has a 5.9l diesel with 75,000 or less miles.

it will be a daily driver with a 80 mile trip one way every couple weeks.

There will always be pros and cons of each. I'm asking what is your opinion and why?


Who said anything about a daily driver?

The OP, in the very first post. He already said he wanted a truck though.

[68Charger]

Remember the license plate taxes/fees..... By 10 years old, they've hit bottom, but a 2012 has 6 more years of elevated plate costs.

I generally would say get the Diesel only if you're going to put a load on it... A Cummins with 75k on it isn't broken in unless it's been towing.


I have both a '98 Dodge 5-speed QC 12v Cummins (rough around the edges, but will run in the worst conditions, including partial waste oil), and a 2007 mega cab 6.7L auto... I like the 6 speed auto better than the 5.9L 4-speed auto, even though I like the 5.9 better.

ETA: I've never paid labor for an oil change in my life... Even the 3 gallons for a Cummins plus filter is well under that, even with synthetic Rotella and micropore filters from a Cummins dealer... Just don't pay them to change it. I use it as a chance to look at condition on the undercarriage.

And the newer Diesels will have problems with the particulate filter and/or EGR around 150k miles, but where there are not intrusive inspections, there are aftermarket solutions that make a world of difference

[68Charger]

I chose the Tundra for my tow rig.
Totally lose me here... We obviously don't tow the same weights...One of the horses I put in our trailer outweighs some pop-up trailers (2100+ lbs Percheron), and my 98 regularly has 3000+ lbs in the bed alone (it's a flatbed).

I don't tow huge weights, generally not over 12k... But the Diesels will hold speed limits up steep grades... 6-8% with no issues, and get better mileage when towing... Diesel has more BTUs per gallon than premium, hard to get around the physics.


I would destroy any 1/2 ton in short order, besides violating payload/towing capacity
But if you're not putting a load on it, much of these advantages don't matter.

[ColoradoTJ]

Totally lose me here... We obviously don't tow the same weights...One of the horses I put in our trailer outweighs some pop-up trailers (2100+ lbs Percheron), and my 98 regularly has 3000+ lbs in the bed alone (it's a flatbed).


I would destroy any 1/2 ton in short order, besides violating payload/towing capacity

Obviousely not, or I would have another HD truck. (Notice I didn't say diesel) However, I don't tow light. My flatbed is a 14k rated and has been used.

Like you, I use the right tool for the job. I tow 8500 lbs on a regular basis which does not require a diesel. This is the first truck I have owned with 67k miles without one issue. Wish I could say the same about my dodge diesels.

If I had to get a diesel truck today, it would be a Ford F-350 6.7L. The Ram would be a close second though. However, buying another dodge/ram would come with a divorce.

[68Charger]

Obviousely not, or I would have another HD truck. (Notice I didn't say diesel) However, I don't tow light. My flatbed is a 14k rated and has been used.

Like you, I use the right tool for the job. I tow 8500 lbs on a regular basis which does not require a diesel. This is the first truck I have owned with 67k miles without one issue. Wish I could say the same about my dodge diesels.

If I had to get a diesel truck today, it would be a Ford F-350 6.7L. The Ram would be a close second though. However, buying another dodge/ram would come with a divorce.
Funny how experiences are different... Wife hates my 98... (Too loud and rough, and doesn't like the dual disc clutch required to hold 900+ ft-lbs)... But we bought the mega cab with 165k on it... It had EGR issues, we got it at a good price- dealer said it needed ball joints in their inspection. I did my own inspection and found they were fine, but it had a bad hub and a bad front axle u-joint. Fixed those, and it's been solid for almost 20k already... Also replaced the exhaust system and did EFI-Live upgrade... Power and reliability is amazing since.

I should mention I will NEVER buy new since CO bent over new vehicle owners with their taxes they could only pass by lying (calling them fees)

[ColoradoTJ]

You are lucky in your address. In Colorado Springs, I got tired of putting all the emission crap back on every year. I guess I could use our Fremont county address to get around the emissions crap.

The EFILive is a bad ass setup isn't it? Way better than anything out on the market today.

[jmg8550]

If you buy a diesel, and plan to run bio in it, there are things you need to consider.

Is the engine set up to run B20?
Do you have the necessary equipment to make your own (added chemicals etc.)
Is your fuel tank/system heated? Most higher concentrations of bio gel at higher temps than diesel fuel
I also know that most common rail diesel engines don't like bio, it's hard on the injectors and pumps

If I were you, and went with the gas engine, I would buy an F150 with a 5.4L. Turbos wear out, and are expensive. With the ecoboost, you have two turbos to deal with. And turbo gas engines don't last as long.

[sniper7]

After a massive hail storm years ago that punched holes in my tonneau cover, and a growing family... We decided either an SUV or Truck with topper on it. I've loved having a truck with a topper.... so to me, yes we need the "UAV" - urban assault Vehicle



Yeah, that's my man side saying yes. Reminds me of the TV show tool time with Tim Allen.... when he does his man grunt. As far as $100 oil changes and fuel filter changes..... I have a way around those and drop them to the price of a gas oil change. And Gas prices.... You need to run around 91 octane in the ecoboost which is more expensive that diesel. And if I get a diesel I can get used cooking oil and run a 50/50 mix to save fuel costs.

Not sure on the dodges but double check what percentage they can take. I think my new one is somewhere around 20-25% max.

[milwaukeeshaker]

Ford diesel, you will never go back to a gas truck.

Add on: Buy American. Ford or GM

[Snowman78]

Go for the new Nissan Titan with the Diesel:

http://www.nissanusa.com/trucks/titan

[MED]

There are two reasons for the diesel. You need a workhorse in a truck that can haul/pull heavy loads and/or you plan on keeping it a very long time. Where you will really see the difference is after 200,000 miles. Diesels have a much longer service life (many of them anyway). The pre '07 medium duty 5.9 has an extremely long service life if maintained correctly; I have no doubt my '01 Dodge will last as long as I will ever need it. I have the VM 2.8 (predecessor to the 3.0 in the Jeep/Ram) in my '06 Liberty CRD. I have 206K on it and it still runs and gets the same MPG as is it did when I took it off the lot in '06. I have no doubt I will get another 200K out of it.

If you plan on owning it a short time and don't need the workhorse, then it really doesn't matter...get what meets your needs. Just remember diesels are a premium to buy and more expensive to maintain; you get all the money back on the back end and then some but if you don't keep it for the long haul then you are paying a premium for it.

[Dave_L]

Go for the diesel. I never look back now that I swapped over. Diesel can be more costly and ride rougher but when you pull anything it makes it all worth it. I love the sound, the power going straight to the ground with all the torque, the solid feel of the truck, knowing it is one of the bigger vehicles on the road to keep my kids safe when they are with me is a big bonus as well.

I havent read the rest of the responses but this sums up my feelings. I got a diesel to tow a travel trailer. Ended up with a 23' box trailer and I toss an ATV in the bed. Towing is a breeze. The truck controls the load with no problem. Diesels are a bit more for maintenance but I also know my truck will last near forever. Not to mention, the diesel will hold resale better. 200k+ miles and they still go for 15k or more. It's also nice knowing that I"ll probably never come close to overloading it meaning I'll always be able to have a truck for the task at hand.

Throw in the ability to add simple mods to bump up HP/TQ significantly or make for better towing performance and it was a done deal for me.

[fly boy]

If you buy a diesel, and plan to run bio in it, there are things you need to consider.

Is the engine set up to run B20?
Do you have the necessary equipment to make your own (added chemicals etc.)
Is your fuel tank/system heated? Most higher concentrations of bio gel at higher temps than diesel fuel
I also know that most common rail diesel engines don't like bio, it's hard on the injectors and pumps

If I were you, and went with the gas engine, I would buy an F150 with a 5.4L. Turbos wear out, and are expensive. With the ecoboost, you have two turbos to deal with. And turbo gas engines don't last as long.


The bio-diesel was a long term goal. My plan is to have the truck for a minimum of 10 year 100,000 miles. At first it will only have short trips to work and back, and every other week a 200+ mile weekend trip. In a couple years I plan on picking up a travel trailer for summer family vacations and maybe a couple camp trips.

I'm leaning more towards the Diesel due to longevity... they are known to run a while as long as you take care of them! The F150 ecoboost will be plenty of towing power and fun, but how long with the little V6 last with twin turbo's before it will start to require as much maintenance as a diesel?

Thanks all for your inputs. Sounds like if I do choose diesel, I will need someone experienced to check it over for me.

[y4m4]

Consider maintenance costs. I don't know anything about those Ecoboost engines, but maintaining a diesel is very expensive. Just for starters, that Cummins holds around 3 gallons of oil. Then you have the cost of injectors and high pressure fuel pumps (seems like people need to commonly replace this stuff). What about the transmission? I see way too many "rebuilt" and replaced transmissions in diesel trucks.

Diesel is cool, but is it worth the additional costs? Probably not, unless you're using it for a hot shot trucking business. Diesel is also a lot cooler.

[Grant H.]

Consider maintenance costs. I don't know anything about those Ecoboost engines, but maintaining a diesel is very expensive. Just for starters, that Cummins holds around 3 gallons of oil. Then you have the cost of injectors and high pressure fuel pumps (seems like people need to commonly replace this stuff). What about the transmission? I see way too many "rebuilt" and replaced transmissions in diesel trucks.

Diesel is cool, but is it worth the additional costs? Probably not, unless you're using it for a hot shot trucking business. Diesel is also a lot cooler.

They hold just over 3 gallons of oil. I can do a filter and oil change for ~$50 with a quality filter and oil. Not that much more.

Unless he's going to play around with it like some of us, the injection pump and injectors won't be an issue.

At stock power, the transmission will be just fine. My parents have a common rail auto, that is bone stock, and has ~200,000 trouble free miles on it. They bought it brand new in 2005. Routine oil changes, trans services, and air filters, and it does great.

[Danimal]

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[brutal]

Wow, all the Dodge bashing gets old.

Granted, mine's not a work truck, and miles are low for it's age, but my 2004.5 will go with me to my grave. It's been BOMB'd since 5K on the clock, and I drive it like I stole it, empty or towing heavy.

Within reason. The Edge Juice runs at Level 1 or 2 when towing, 3 when empty and bombing around town and only sees 4 or 5 out on the highway on rare occasions and empty. If I take a highway trip empty (hunting, etc.) it stays on 1 for better mileage unless I feel like gettin jiggy wid it.

Short of a deeper pan on the trans, no other go fast mods other than a few gauges.

[mtnrider]

Wow, all the Dodge bashing gets old.



Unfortunately it's justified for many. I don't know what the secret is but problems with them is very hit or miss. My 06 is well taken care of and never abused but by 50K miles I have already had to replace my entire front end. Ball joints, tie rods, wheel bearings, axle u-joints, track bar bushings. And I think my steering box is going to be next. I'm just praying my transmission and injectors don't crap out (very common on them). Still love the truck but in the back of my mind I am always wondering how much it's going to cost me to keep it going over the years and if it is going to be worth it.

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[mtnrider]

At first it will only have short trips to work and back,

More reason to go with the ecoboost or regular gasser. Definitely Not what diesels were made for. Diesels like to be run, short trips don't keep them happy and your going to see crappy mpg.

[brutal]

Unfortunately it's justified for many. I don't know what the secret is but problems with them is very hit or miss. My 06 is well taken care of and never abused but by 50K miles I have already had to replace my entire front end. Ball joints, tie rods, wheel bearings, axle u-joints, track bar bushings. And I think my steering box is going to be next. I'm just praying my transmission and injectors don't crap out (very common on them). Still love the truck but in the back of my mind I am always wondering how much it's going to cost me to keep it going over the years and if it is going to be worth it.

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I did upgrade the steering on mine to the 2008 kit to tighten things up and head off a tiny bit of death wobble I had a few times (with worn out BFG's). Filed a claim with Dodge on their recall campaign for tie rod ends but never heard a peep.

I've had to replace one front axle u-joint as it has been wheeled a little and perhaps abused a bit pulling out stuck Fords, Chevys, and Tacomas.

I only have 285's (+2?) size tires on the stock wheels. I think lots of guys tend to put on a leveling kit or lift and go bigger. I can't lift AND tow my toys.

I replaced the rear door wiring harnesses. I just replaced the hood struts. That's it. The truck is solid and never gives me any trouble.

[C Ward]

Bio and a common rail fuel system is a bad idea

[SouthPaw]

Without reading every response in this thread, two things to be noted (they may have already been covered) are injectors and front end parts. The injectors will go out and you will need to do all six and it is a costly repair. Those years of dodges eat front end parts (ball joints, tie rods, axle seals, etc). Between those two repairs you are looking about $7K+/- to do it right. Go in knowing more these will have to be done (unless the PO did them) for the life that you own it.

To find a cummins with that low of mileage, you are going to be a few pretty pennies I am guessing at least $30K. For a few dollars more, you could own a new half ton with newer technology, warranty, and comfort. If you do not need a diesel and a half ton can do what you need, save yourself the headache. On the other hand, if a diesel is what you need, don't settle for something smaller.

I love my '01 5.9HO. It ran like a raped up and was completely built up. I think the last time I had it dynoed it was just north of 1,100 FT/LB of torque. I didn't tow anything so I had no use for it at all. At the time I was working 12 miles round trip from my house so it did not make any sense to have it.

[milwaukeeshaker]

You do know that a Dodge(Fiat) isn't the only diesel pickup out there, right?

[fly boy]

I know the older diesels run for a long time if taken care of and will hold their value better.

There are other diesels out there, I chose dodge over ford because of better mpg compared to a ford 6.4l

The ecoboost is around $30k-$35k, and a dodge mega cab with less than 75,000 miles is right around the same price. Same with a 2008-2010 Ford with less than 60k miles.

I was trying to avoid a newer vehicle due to the new technology and things that can go wrong such as emissions controls in a diesel.

[ColoradoTJ]

Unfortunately it's justified for many. I don't know what the secret is but problems with them is very hit or miss. My 06 is well taken care of and never abused but by 50K miles I have already had to replace my entire front end. Ball joints, tie rods, wheel bearings, axle u-joints, track bar bushings. And I think my steering box is going to be next. I'm just praying my transmission and injectors don't crap out (very common on them). Still love the truck but in the back of my mind I am always wondering how much it's going to cost me to keep it going over the years and if it is going to be worth it.

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Wow, you a mind reader?


Wow, all the Dodge bashing gets old...

Have you ever wondered why? It is called other people's experiences. My 04.5 was ok until 43k miles and the dealership messed mine up and had nothing but problems with it until I sold it at 75k miles. I just couldn't afford the repair bills anymore. Sad thing is I was doing the repairs myself since dodge couldn't figure out anything. After my truck was sitting at the dealership for 5 weeks and no repairs made, I had enough. I'm not sure this site has enough bandwidth for me to post all the crap that I had issues with.

My 02 HO was pretty decent for the most part. 2 IPs, injectors, nv5600, rear limited slip clutches, one clutch, turbo, dash, paint, and many other parts. It had 185k on it when it went buh-bye.

I used to work part time out of a diesel repair shop in Denver. (MaxTorq Diesel Performance)I have seen grown men cry at repair bills. If you need a no bs assessment of a diesel truck, this is a great place to go. Ask for Rob Watkins. Don't let mileage fool you as well. We had seen dead cylinders with under 40k miles and a 9000.00 motor rebuild. So like I said in my first post, get whatever you buy checked out. I have seen many times people come in and they would have bought thousands of dollars in repairs.

Many people live by the Ram/dodge and never have an issue. I was 0 for 2. My only advice to people is do not mess with the emissions crap other than EGR/DFP deletes. I don't have that option due to my physical address.




To the OP, if you are no bs going to tow decent loads, get the diesel. I am still on the fence about getting another one. I do a lot of short trips for my kids every day. In the event I purchase another diesel, a commuter gas car will be coming home as well and my trailer will not get disconnected from the truck. Hard to decide. I just returned from a 2500 mile trip to CA and back in my Tundra. My friend that went along is sold on them now and wants to buy mine......so I may have to look at a GMC Denali or F350. Both have downfalls and pro's, but only one is made in the USA. That matters to me.

[ColoradoTJ]

Funny how experiences are different... Wife hates my 98... (Too loud and rough, and doesn't like the dual disc clutch required to hold 900+ ft-lbs)

What specs did you go with to get 900 lbs/TQ? 12V or 24v? (Since 98 was the split year) I would guess 24V since they are a lot louder.

[Irving]

Sure seems like a lot of hassle and unnecessary expense for a daily driver.

[Dryfli]

I drive a '12 f350 that I bought new in '13 and it's a beast. I tow a lot, heavy trailers 18000+ and it has 130xxx on it now. The only repair I've had to do is a busted exhaust manifold bolt. My brother has a '13 ecoboost and he loves it, good mileage and no repairs.

[Holger Danske]

I had 2000 f250 7.3l Diesel and it pulled really well. I did my own oil change (4 gallons I believe) and fuel filter change and other general service. As it aged I found that parts and repairs were roughly 3x that of a gas engine and I was tired of the yearly emissions trip. But, I decided to sell because I simply wasnt towing my horse trailer or camper more than 4x a year. I replaced that truck with 2000 Excursion v10. and Ive been pretty happy. Less maintainance cost and enough power to pull the traillers a few times a year. I dont know what an f150 ecoboost is rated on towing, so if it is a binary decision then go with the diesel for towing. If you are open to other options maybe look at a 3/4 ton gasser or the newerTundra which is rated for 10k towing. Just my .02.

[mtnrider]

I did upgrade the steering on mine to the 2008 kit to tighten things up and head off a tiny bit of death wobble I had a few times (with worn out BFG's). Filed a claim with Dodge on their recall campaign for tie rod ends but never heard a peep.


I upgraded mine to the 08.5+ steering as well. Did that when my tie-rods went out. I figured I might as well. I tried the Dodge recall route also but no go. Not sure who or what qualifies for it? I know some people have had the linkage and steering box upgraded under warranty and I have the same year truck and they said no? I don't get it. I did all the work myself so saved a ton of money but it was a big pain in the a$$, especially ball joints.

[ColoradoTJ]

I upgraded mine to the 08.5+ steering as well. Did that when my tie-rods went out. I figured I might as well. I tried the Dodge recall route also but no go. Not sure who or what qualifies for it? I know some people have had the linkage and steering box upgraded under warranty and I have the same year truck and they said no? I don't get it. I did all the work myself so saved a ton of money but it was a big pain in the a$$, especially ball joints.

Those unit bearings are fun to get off aren't they when doing ball joints? We designed a custom puller ..out of 3/4" plate, 1.25" all thread and two 1.25 nuts. Even then, it was a PITA.

[fly boy]

Wow there is a lot of negative comments for a diesel as a daily driver. Is there any physical evidence of what happens if you don't tow a lot? I definitely will not be towing compared to most of you. Maybe a light trailer here or there 4-5x a year.

The ecoboosts I know have coil/boot/spark plug issues, intercooler issues, turbo and waste gate issues, and the little nickle and dime issues like all other vehicles. It just doesn't seem like you couldn't get 150k miles on them as a daily driver either.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

I've got two diesels. One is a work van that has the 07 duramax LBZ and they other is a truck that's a 2015 gmc duramax. As for the oil changes I pay a shop in Henderson to change my oil in the van, it costs $90. The new one gets free oil changes. The DEF complaint is a weak one at best. I've added 10-15 gallons in the 8500 miles I've had it. Both of them get above 16 mpg and they're stock. When you start adding chips, exhaust etc etc that's when shit starts blowing apart. What ever you do, don't buy a Tacoma.

[ColoradoTJ]

Wow there is a lot of negative comments for a diesel as a daily driver. Is there any physical evidence of what happens if you don't tow a lot? I definitely will not be towing compared to most of you. Maybe a light trailer here or there 4-5x a year.

The ecoboosts I know have coil/boot/spark plug issues, intercooler issues, turbo and waste gate issues, and the little nickle and dime issues like all other vehicles. It just doesn't seem like you couldn't get 150k miles on them as a daily driver either.


You have about 6 pages of evidence. Lol. I'm just giving you a hard time man.


Tell you what, go to a couple (or call) reputable diesel repair facilities and start asking questions. Tell them your intentions and what you want to pull/how many times per year. My questions would be:

- how does short trip daily driving effect common rail diesels?
- what are common failures?
- on these failures, what is the cost? (might want to look this up as well to verify what they are saying)
- go hang out on dieselram, Cummins forums, comp d, RV net and see what you come up with.
- check on injector, DFP filter, Urea injection system, turbo, injection pump replacement cost. You plan on keeping for 10 years, so this should be a concern.

I don't want to come off as an ass or anti-diesel, I would like to see you get the best truck for your needs. Trust me, nothing pulls like a diesel powered truck. The only gas truck that I can honestly say that can keep up or tow with a diesel is a 8.1L GM that has had a mod or two, the Eco-boost trucks(and that would be comparing a 10 year old stock diesel or older) I would also like to include that comparing new tech to old tech isn't fair either. A new 2015 diesel, there just is no gasser out there that can compete.

Warranty doesn't always cover repairs either. If you get a bad tank of fuel (used to see that a lot) and it tears up your injection system, you better have proof that you purchased fuel from the gas station so their insurance will fork out the thousands in repairs. I have a buddy in MT that has a 6.7L ford that purchased bad fuel with cash and did not keep the reciept. 6900.00 later he was back on the road with his $60K dollar truck.

[fly boy]

You have about 6 pages of evidence. Lol. I'm just giving you a hard time man.


Tell you what, go to a couple (or call) reputable diesel repair facilities and start asking questions. Tell them your intentions and what you want to pull/how many times per year. My questions would be:

- how does short trip daily driving effect common rail diesels?
- what are common failures?
- on these failures, what is the cost? (might want to look this up as well to verify what they are saying)
- go hang out on dieselram, Cummins forums, comp d, RV net and see what you come up with.
- check on injector, DFP filter, Urea injection system, turbo, injection pump replacement cost. You plan on keeping for 10 years, so this should be a concern.

I don't want to come off as an ass or anti-diesel, I would like to see you get the best truck for your needs. Trust me, nothing pulls like a diesel powered truck. The only gas truck that I can honestly say that can keep up or tow with a diesel is a 8.1L GM that has had a mod or two, the Eco-boost trucks(and that would be comparing a 10 year old stock diesel or older) I would also like to include that comparing new tech to old tech isn't fair either. A new 2015 diesel, there just is no gasser out there that can compete.

Warranty doesn't always cover repairs either. If you get a bad tank of fuel (used to see that a lot) and it tears up your injection system, you better have proof that you purchased fuel from the gas station so their insurance will fork out the thousands in repairs. I have a buddy in MT that has a 6.7L ford that purchased bad fuel with cash and did not keep the reciept. 6900.00 later he was back on the road with his $60K dollar truck.

I have been reading for the past week and have found that every vehicle has their pro's and cons, but as long as you can take care of it maintenance wise, it will do what is asked of it.

The common issues I'm finding with the Dodge are the Auto-transmissions when you add too much power.... I want a manual and don't want to add that much power. Another issue is the Fuel system, particularly the injectors. I will make sure I run a cleaner periodically and put an aftermarket filtration system on to aid in longevity. Also, the front end with suspension components. Sounds like lifts or oversized tires are a major issue for cause, but also the truck itself is rough on front ends. I am purposely reading as much con's as possible to make me not want a diesel as a DD, but I'm finding gas engines have problems just like diesels, and the longevity of a 5.9 diesel versus an overpowered V6 gasser is a heavy weight to try and overcome.

Thanks again all for the helpful info. I know that gasser vs. diesel is a great debate like Ford or Chevy, AR vs AK, Pistol vs rifle :D

[ray1970]

I'm going to toss out my opinion on a few gas engine options since most of this thread has focused on diesels. In recent years, I've put 200,000 miles on a Chevy 6.0, about 150,000 on a Ford 5.4, and have a small amount of miles on a Dodge with a 5.7.

I will say that the Ford is my least favorite. It just doesn't have the power or acceleration of the other two. It definitely wouldn't be my first choice for towing anything.

The Chevy with the 6.0 was a real work horse. It replaced another Chevy with the old 8.1 and the 6.0 was the better engine of the two in my opinion. My particular truck spent its entire 200K mile existence loaded right to the max GVW and I never babied it. Around 150,000 or so I did have a noticeable decrease in power from when it was new. For general driving around and occasional towing, it would be hard to beat for a non-diesel truck.

The Dodge is the one I have the least experience with but so far has impressed me. It has plenty of power to zip from stop light to stop light and mine gets about 17mpg around town and has gotten about 21 on a long highway trip. I towed a trailer from here to grand junction and back. The trailer weighed about 3300 lbs empty and I loaded three ATVs, about twenty gallons of fuel, and two really large coolers with drinks and food onto it. No idea what it weighed and it definitely wasn't a serious load or anything but I managed to keep at or above the posted speed limit going both ways. Although, that 17 and 21 mpg I was used to wasn't happening for sure. I think it was closer to 10. Maybe even less.

[sportbikeco]

No way id want one as a daily driver.

I have a powerstroke truck i use for towing and random stuff and I could have got by with the 6.2 gas F250, but i wouldnt be able to tow a car trailer 80mph up i70.

[blackford76]

Funny no one has mentioned the Ford v-10. An older F-250 with a 10 cylinder is pretty cheap to buy. True, fuel mileage is bad, 10 to 12 mpg, towing or empty. But they last forever. spark plugs every 70k, oil and filter at 3.5k. My first v-10 was my work truck, empty weight was 11800. Regularly saw 36k. At 265k it had a spark plug come loose, a heli-coil kit and back in business. I retired it at 300k and drove it as my daily driver for another couple years. I currently have a '99 F-250 with the v-10, 175k, runs like new.

[ColoradoTJ]

I have been reading for the past week and have found that every vehicle has their pro's and cons, but as long as you can take care of it maintenance wise, it will do what is asked of it.

The common issues I'm finding with the Dodge are the Auto-transmissions when you add too much power.... I want a manual and don't want to add that much power. Another issue is the Fuel system, particularly the injectors. I will make sure I run a cleaner periodically and put an aftermarket filtration system on to aid in longevity. Also, the front end with suspension components. Sounds like lifts or oversized tires are a major issue for cause, but also the truck itself is rough on front ends. I am purposely reading as much con's as possible to make me not want a diesel as a DD, but I'm finding gas engines have problems just like diesels, and the longevity of a 5.9 diesel versus an overpowered V6 gasser is a heavy weight to try and overcome.

Thanks again all for the helpful info. I know that gasser vs. diesel is a great debate like Ford or Chevy, AR vs AK, Pistol vs rifle :D


I'm glad you're doing the legwork man. That is what counts in my opinion.

If I was to buy a gas powered truck today, this is how it would break down: (not an any order)

1/2 tons towing under 9k thirty five times or less per year in your price range (assuming 35k or less)

- Tundra 5.7 tow package with the double cab, unless you need the CrewMax. The CrewMax is not rated very high on tow rating or GVWR.
- Ford F-150 with the 5.0 if the price has dropped enough yet.
- Dodge 5.7, 3.90 gearing. These trucks pull well.
- I didn't recommend Chevy 1/2 ton with a 5.3. You don't have the tow rating. If you could swing a 6.2 Denali....

3/4 ton pulling over 9k, less than thirty five times per year.

- Chevy 6.0L with 4.10 gearing. I have really been impressed with that setup.
- might be able to get into a 6.2L F250 truck. I drive a 2015 F250 6.2L for work and I am impressed. Not as much power as my Tundra, but sure does work nicely.

Diesels, if you can find a good low mileage pre 07 truck-

06-07 LBZ Duramax. Good luck finding a low mileage one without giving up a left nut. These trucks run strong and install a EFILIVE tune....wow. Wheel bearings are common 75-100k miles, check into steering wheel clunk, transfer case pump rub. The AAM rear axle has a small flaw in the limited slip and makes it fail. Axle will still work, just open carrier. I know a shop that can fix this issue down here. I can hook you up with him if you go this route.

05 CTD with manual transmission. The automatic tow haul mode never really worked and was an issue. Pretty solid trucks otherwise except what has been said in the last pages. The common rail ISB is 1050lbs, so it eats up tires and front end components. Installing a ranch hand style bumper makes this even worse.

04 CTD are good trucks. The 48RE transmission is pretty good stock power. Start adding injectors, turbos and programmers, they have the life expectancy of a pizza at a frat party.

04.5 CTD. the first production of the Cummins 600 motor. Some had good luck with injectors, some not so much. I put 3-4 sets in mine. Lucky I only had to pay 2800.00 for the first set and the others were warrantee items. This is also the first year of the third injection fueling event. Mileage went down, power went up.

03 CTD had issues with valve seats and EGTs. Do not go over 1250* on these motors.

06-07.5 dodges went to the canbus system. Research that. Nuff said.

Don't fall into the NV5600 hype either. These transmissions are no longer made and can be an issue finding parts. Ask me how I know....finding a shop that will rebuild them with a warranty can be an issue.



In in the years and price range you most likely will be looking at, I just cannot recommend a ford diesel in the 6.0-6.4 flavor. This recommendation is on a factory truck, no mods. 03.5-2010. Now if you find a good 7.3L or a cheap 6.7L...another story.

[ColoradoTJ]

Funny no one has mentioned the Ford v-10. An older F-250 with a 10 cylinder is pretty cheap to buy. True, fuel mileage is bad, 10 to 12 mpg, towing or empty. But they last forever. spark plugs every 70k, oil and filter at 3.5k. My first v-10 was my work truck, empty weight was 11800. Regularly saw 36k. At 265k it had a spark plug come loose, a heli-coil kit and back in business. I retired it at 300k and drove it as my daily driver for another couple years. I currently have a '99 F-250 with the v-10, 175k, runs like new.

Not a bad recommendation actually. We used to have these in our service trucks and they were not bad. You can buy them cheap too.

[ray1970]

Not a bad recommendation actually. We used to have these in our service trucks and they were not bad. You can buy them cheap too.

We had several in our fleet as well. Nobody liked them. They couldn't keep up with the Chevys with the 6.0 and even though the Fords had larger fuel tanks they wouldn't go as far as the Chevys between fill ups because they got such poor fuel mileage.

[blackford76]

I have my log book somewhere, I actually tracked every single tank of fuel for 2 years in my v-10 F-350. Worst tank of fuel got me 9.2 mpg, best was 11.2. Fuel mileage is not a selling point for this engine. When I traded it off it had 350k on it, still was absolutely reliable. Only problems were the mentioned loose spark plug, left side upper ball joint, rear axle pinion seal. Still had the original transmission, transfer case, radiator hoses, alternator, starter, etc. Never even heard of a more reliable vehicle. Someone in my area bought it, I still see it pulling 5th wheels of hay every week. I sure do miss it.

[brutal]

Let's not forget that there are far more complainers complaining about troublesome rides than there are people posting positive, trouble free experiences.

As to the injector issue, I change my fuel filter twice a year with the oil changes (time not mileage) and I regularly run a little wonder whiz in my fuel. A 3:1 mix of Diesel Kleen and MMO. Not every tank and I've been bad about using it lately, but it did quiet the injector noise and I can only then assume it will prolong their life. Also picked up about .5MPG but I don't do it for that and expect a payoff. Just like the Mods, they'll never pay off in the slight increase in mileage, particularly when I like to use the upper levels of tune. :D

[blackford76]

Dream truck? 2001 F-350 crew cab, 5.9 CTD, Allison trans.

[blackford76]

I should specify, 5.9 12 valve mechanical.

[ColoradoTJ]

We had several in our fleet as well. Nobody liked them. They couldn't keep up with the Chevys with the 6.0 and even though the Fords had larger fuel tanks they wouldn't go as far as the Chevys between fill ups because they got such poor fuel mileage.

They do get crappy mileage for sure!!! Lol, very happy that was not my bill every month.

If I had the choice, I would take the Chevy any day.

Our fleet department told me the GM products gave them the least bit of issues. Next was the Ford and the last was Dodge. Only Ram trucks they buy now are the 4500/5500 diesels for electrical troubleshooters since they have buckets on them. Most of our fleet vehicles are Ford (since ford gives such good options and deals on fleet vehicles).

[ray1970]

Twelve years ago my company had a pretty even mix of Ford, Chevy, and Dodge. They let the driver pick what they wanted. About ten years ago they decided no more Dodge trucks due to some reliability issues and high maintenance costs. About two years ago they must have figured out buying Fords was their cheapest option. Now all of the new trucks coming in are Fords.

[ColoradoTJ]

Yeah Ray, they offer really good fleet pricing. It is crazy how cheap. When I worked fleet at my company after a shoulder injury, a F-450 cab and chassis could be had for under 30k.

[BushMasterBoy]

I drive a 07 Silverado 6.0 gasser. I tow a trailer load of hay once a year. For heavy duty duty towing, I go with one of my old 1984 GM's one tons with a 454 gasser with a turbo 400 or the SMC464 manual.If you can wrench a little, a stock 454 chevy motor with a Holley on top and headers is a cheap and reliable way to go. Add a giant cooler if you get the automatic tranny. If you ever need a motor for one, search the RV ads! I got 5K$ into both 454 trucks and they are dirt cheap to fix. Even my motor home has a 454 with a turbo 475 trans.

https://cosprings.craigslist.org/rvs/5445109638.html

[fly boy]

I'

06-07.5 dodges went to the canbus system. Research that. Nuff said

In in the years and price range you most likely will be looking at, I just cannot recommend a ford diesel in the 6.0-6.4 flavor. This recommendation is on a factory truck, no mods. 03.5-2010. Now if you find a good 7.3L or a cheap 6.7L...another story.


Why hey do you prefer the 6.7 over the 5.9? They started adding the emissions controls which hurt mpg among other things.

Also, I don't know if I'm reading enough, the can bus is just more electronics and not so much obdii?

[ColoWyo]

I'm on my second F-150 with the Ecoboost and I couldn't be happier with it. I tend to to through trucks pretty quickly since I see something shiny and have to have it. But the F-150 with the EB is hands down my favorite truck I've ever had. I have three buddies who have them as well. Not one of us has had a single issue with the motor. The back seat in the super crew is friggin huge. It has lots of power and seems to retain it better up here at altitude due to the turbos. I have a 6000b (empty) camper and it will do 65 up both sides of Eisenhower Tunnel with the camper. It's kind of drives like a diesel. Of course it doesn't have 800ft pounds of torque like the new diesels have. But it does do REALLY well.

Now, all that being said. I do kind of get nervous thinking long term. I would imagine when things start to go bad, it ain't gonna be cheap. But the way I go through trucks, I doubt I'll ever find out. Definitely take one for a spin.

[Irving]

What mileage are you Ecoboost guys getting? I liked the Ecoboost Escapes I had for work and I could coax decent mileage (25 city/hwy) out of them. I realize the Escape had a totally different motor though.

[ColoradoTJ]

Why hey do you prefer the 6.7 over the 5.9? They started adding the emissions controls which hurt mpg among other things.

Also, I don't know if I'm reading enough, the can bus is just more electronics and not so much obdii?

I prefer the 6.7L ford scorpion motor, not the 6.7L Cummins. Not that the 6.7L Cummins motor isn't a running SOB (14-15 CTD in the one ton are damn impressive). In the years you are looking, you might be able to buy a good used 6.7L Cummins as well. Just be prepared to do a delete on the 07.5-10 trucks. Not sure what WY has for emission testing. After the deletes, most people are damn happy with the Cummins 6.7. Not sure what Cummins did in 13-15', but they are very reliable without the deletes. Maybe someone more knowledgeable on the topic will chime in like Grant. He possibly has a deleted 6.7.

Sorry, I keep going on about trucks you are not even looking at.

The CAN Bus, post number 4 explains it in detail.


http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/3rd-gen-non-powertrain/514693-electical-issues-newly-aquired-06-a.html#/forumsite/20661/topics/514693?page=1

[ColoradoTJ]

What mileage are you Ecoboost guys getting? I liked the Ecoboost Escapes I had for work and I could coax decent mileage (25 city/hwy) out of them. I realize the Escape had a totally different motor though.


We have a brand new AWD EB Escape at work and I have seen 30+ mpg. The SUV hauls ass for such a small motor.

[ColoWyo]

What mileage are you Ecoboost guys getting? I liked the Ecoboost Escapes I had for work and I could coax decent mileage (25 city/hwy) out of them. I realize the Escape had a totally different motor though.

i tend to average around 17. But I'm not the best person to reply. I have a pretty heavy foot.

[Irving]

We have a brand new AWD EB Escape at work and I have seen 30+ mpg. The SUV hauls ass for such a small motor.


i tend to average around 17. But I'm not the best person to reply. I have a pretty heavy foot.

I was able to get 29 mpg on average over a couple of days of driving up to Fort Collins and back, and really working for that mileage. This was in a 2016 Escape with under 3,000 miles on it. I usually am a lead foot, but had recently challenged myself to see what kind of mileage I could get if I started trying. I went from 22 mpg city/hwy to 25 city/hwy, averaged over several hundred miles; according to the built in computer. The 29 mpg average was just over those few days, and went back down toward 25 with more city driving.

[fly boy]

I prefer the 6.7L ford scorpion motor, not the 6.7L Cummins. Not that the 6.7L Cummins motor isn't a running SOB (14-15 CTD in the one ton are damn impressive). In the years you are looking, you might be able to buy a good used 6.7L Cummins as well. Just be prepared to do a delete on the 07.5-10 trucks. Not sure what WY has for emission testing. After the deletes, most people are damn happy with the Cummins 6.7. Not sure what Cummins did in 13-15', but they are very reliable without the deletes. Maybe someone more knowledgeable on the topic will chime in like Grant. He possibly has a deleted 6.7.

Sorry, I keep going on about trucks you are not even looking at.

The CAN Bus, post number 4 explains it in detail.


http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/3rd-gen-non-powertrain/514693-electical-issues-newly-aquired-06-a.html#/forumsite/20661/topics/514693?page=1


I I don't have emissions so I can delete dpf and egr without a problem. Why do you prefer the ford 6.7?

that can bus system looks like it could be an electrical nightmare trying to troubleshoot stuff.

My ultimate goal is long term reliability. Knowing I could easily go 150k miles with minimal issues as long as I do normal upkeep and maintenance. I was leaning diesel for reliability and holds value better. I was leaning dodge for mpg.

[ColoradoTJ]

I I don't have emissions so I can delete dpf and egr without a problem. Why do you prefer the ford 6.7?

that can bus system looks like it could be an electrical nightmare trying to troubleshoot stuff.

My ultimate goal is long term reliability. Knowing I could easily go 150k miles with minimal issues as long as I do normal upkeep and maintenance. I was leaning diesel for reliability and holds value better. I was leaning dodge for mpg.

Your good to go then with emissions. That is a good thing.

The cab bus system is what I am trying to warn you about. It works great now, just 06 was the first year.

I perfer the the scorpion motor because of how it tows. It has a hit. Go test drive one if you have the time. I was a Cummins fanboy until all my friends bought the 2011 and newer diesel trucks. Here are the downsides of a Ford: injectors are 500 each and cylinder specific, cab and front clip have to come off for some motor work. That is 8 hours shop time just for that. However, if you can really afford one of these trucks, probably not an issue.

What is your budget? Should you go out of state for a good deal?

[fly boy]

Your good to go then with emissions. That is a good thing.

The cab bus system is what I am trying to warn you about. It works great now, just 06 was the first year.

I perfer the the scorpion motor because of how it tows. It has a hit. Go test drive one if you have the time. I was a Cummins fanboy until all my friends bought the 2011 and newer diesel trucks. Here are the downsides of a Ford: injectors are 500 each and cylinder specific, cab and front clip have to come off for some motor work. That is 8 hours shop time just for that. However, if you can really afford one of these trucks, probably not an issue.

What is your budget? Should you go out of state for a good deal?

I am a 5.9 fan boy because of the reputation for them.

My my budget is around 30-35, and I would prefer a manual transmission. I know the ford Eco boost is only an automatic but I drove a dodge mega cab stick shift and fell in love.

[ColoradoTJ]

If you can find an 07.5 5.9L CTD with low miles, buy it. The G56 trans is pretty decent.

The added room in the cab is nice and still maintains a 6' bed.

Good or luck with your purchase.

[mtnrider]

Yeah if you can find a manual that would eliminate one problem area and be a little more reliable. With that said, a 06-07 manual Mega cab is the holy grail of trucks and hard to find. Wish I could have found one so I would have to worry about this auto transmission going out.,

.

[68Charger]

If you can find an 07.5 5.9L CTD with low miles, buy it. The G56 trans is pretty decent.

The added room in the cab is nice and still maintains a 6' bed.

Good or luck with your purchase.
That would be an early '07 to get the 5.9The '07.5 is the 6.7... Better 6 speed auto, I believe the manuals are the same G56.


The irony of the 6.7 is that when the emissions system fails (usually around 150k), they will sometimes have visible smoke (ours did)... But with delete and EFI-Live, none at all unless it's set on 5... Even then it's minimal.

[ColoradoTJ]

That would be an early '07 to get the 5.9The '07.5 is the 6.7... Better 6 speed auto, I believe the manuals are the same G56.


The irony of the 6.7 is that when the emissions system fails (usually around 150k), they will sometimes have visible smoke (ours did)... But with delete and EFI-Live, none at all unless it's set on 5... Even then it's minimal.


Very true. Production with the 5.9L stopped early that year. It was tough to find one even mid year. I almost sold my 04.5 and went that route. Hind sight 20/20, I should have.

So what did you do to your 2nd gen to pull 900 lbs of TQ?

[68Charger]

Very true. Production with the 5.9L stopped early that year. It was tough to find one even mid year. I almost sold my 04.5 and went that route. Hind sight 20/20, I should have.

So what did you do to your 2nd gen to pull 900 lbs of TQ?

It's a 12v with the best p7100 pump... so not a lot... 16.5 degrees timing, bhaf, 4" exhaust, custom cam plate (angle ground like #10 plate) tuned AFC and bleed turbo line for 32# boost. Didn't dyno it, I just had a clutch rated a 900 ft-lbs and when I adjusted the cam plate for more power, I could slip it at will in 3rd-5th gear. Had to back it off, clutch finally let go a couple years ago and I got dual disk South bend rated at 1200 or so.


I really need to at least do the governor spring kit, it falls on it's face above 2600rpm, but that torque peak around 1700-1800 is amazing... Just hasn't been a priority.

[ColoradoTJ]

It's a 12v with the best 9100 pump... so not a lot... 16.5 degrees timing, bhaf, 4" exhaust, custom cam plate (angle ground like #10 plate) tuned AFC and bleed turbo line for 32# boost. Didn't dyno it, I just had a clutch rated a 900 ft-lbs and when I adjusted the cam plate for more power, I could slip it at will in 3rd-5th gear. Had to back it off, clutch finally let go a couple years ago and I got dual disk South bend rated at 1200 or so.


I really need to at least do the governor spring kit, it falls on it's face above 2600rpm, but that torque peak around 1700-1800 is amazing... Just hasn't been a priority.

Sounds like you have done some good quality work. Was your injection pump a typo? Figured you meant 7100. Install some sticks, lower your timing a tad...you will move right along.

Get that 3k governor kit and that truck will be a different beast.


Since you have the 98, and a 12V, did you get the holy grail with the first year of the quad cab as well?

[sniper7]

Here is my Craigslist findings for you:

http://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/5455543322.html


http://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/5452733691.html

[ColoradoTJ]

It never stops amazing me on the price of used diesel trucks. In the past 15 years, the truck market has just skyrocketed.

This was my 30th birthday present. $34,600.00 was the purchase price for this 04.5 SLT Plus CTD 2500. Looking at these used truck prices with over 100k miles just makes me shake my head.
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Then again, not long ago I seen a Dodge 3500 Laramie Limited advertised for 74,000.00. That is almost half what I paid for my house.

[68Charger]

Sounds like you have done some good quality work. Was your injection pump a typo? Figured you meant 7100. Install some sticks, lower your timing a tad...you will move right along.

Get that 3k governor kit and that truck will be a different beast.


Since you have the 98, and a 12V, did you get the holy grail with the first year of the quad cab as well?Almost, mine is a long bed, the short bed was the holy grail (fits in standard garage)


And yes, I meant p7100 pump.... At 300k miles I think I'm due for injectors anyway

[fly boy]

well I did it.....

Found an 06 Megacab manual with only 53,280 miles on the clock. An older gentleman bought it brand new in 05 the pull his camper, but health issues wont allow him to use the manual any more. It was up in Billings MT, and after a few emails and phone calls back and forth the truck, along with all the service records, manuals and a meticulously maintained truck, the unicorn is in my driveway!!!

now to sell the F150 and enjoy my new (to me) work horse.


p.s. - I owe ColoradoTJ a beer or two for all his extra help. Thanks again.

[ColoradoTJ]

Finally!! Your persistence and patience paid off.

You know the rules Ben, pics or it didn't happen!!!

[3beansalad]

Excellent find. Let's see some pics.. or maybe i just did. Towing a Honda

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[Zach O]

Nice man!! I'll never own a gas engine in a truck. Nor an automatic transmission.

[fly boy]

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[Gman]

Nice. Congrats!

[gnihcraes]

jealous. good buy!

[brutal]

6510665107

Hard to tell, but it doesn't look like it has the factory fogs? Check ebay or Amazon for the OEM fog light kit. I got one for my 04.5 and it was sooo plug and play.

Looks like there's a front mounted receiver too? cool.

[ColoradoTJ]

Awesome!!