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davsel
02-23-2016, 00:22
Interesting article explaining the passage of TPP. Worth a read:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/02/22/about-ted-cruz-using-trans-pacific-trade-deal-example/#more-112753

Red Circled Candidates All Support Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement (TPP)

https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/gop-candidates-tpp.jpg?w=640


Senator Ted Cruz reversed his position on TPP because he could. He realized its passage no longer needed his vote. Cruz knew the TPP was controversial, politically.

Remember, this was HIS BILL (http://paulryan.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=398270) along with Paul Ryan.

Cruz supported TPP, Cruz constructed Fast-Track Trade Promotion Authority (via unanimous consent) to facilitate TPP. Senator Cruz still supports TPP. However, as soon as his vote was no longer needed to insure it, he threw his vote in the opposite, more politically favorable, direction.

It was, yet again, an example of how Cruz sneaks his way through congress by hiding his motives and intents. It fools many people, including his supporters. However, it does not fool us.


On another bill HR 1314 Cruz voted against an amendment to the Trade Deal that would require congress to be consulted if China (or other nations) were to join after the fact:

Senate Amendment 1251 “To require the approval of Congress before additional countries may join the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement”…

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=114&session=1&vote=00189

Cruz voted NAY. Directly saying he did not want congress to be consulted before other countries, namely CHINA, could join TPP.

♦ Notice during November’s debate Rand Paul, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz were saying China is not part of TPP; contrast their voices against Donald Trump who was honestly saying TPP carries a backdoor for China (and Russia) to join.

hurley842002
02-23-2016, 00:30
And again, I only see Trump supporters bashing on other Republican candidates (mainly Cruz), I don't see many other Republican supporters bashing on Trump, their hatred is more towards the Democratic/Socialist party.

davsel
02-23-2016, 00:33
And again, I only see Trump supporters bashing on other Republican candidates (mainly Cruz), I don't see many other Republican supporters bashing on Trump, their hatred is more towards the Democratic/Socialist party.

Since when is stating the facts surrounding a Senator's voting record, "bashing?"


ETA:
http://skypeblogs.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/lalala_80.png

hurley842002
02-23-2016, 00:39
Since when is stating the facts surrounding a Senator's voting record, "bashing?"


ETA:
http://skypeblogs.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/lalala_80.png

That pic just about explains most Trump supporters...

davsel
02-23-2016, 00:43
That pic just about explains most Trump supporters...
Yet another fine argument against what was posted.
You have completely changed my outlook.
Well done.

Great-Kazoo
02-23-2016, 04:06
Since when is stating the facts surrounding a Senator's voting record, "bashing?"


ETA:
http://skypeblogs.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/lalala_80.png


#1 : you forgot NAFTA

#2 : TRUMP HAS NO VOTING RECORD!! HE'S NEVER HELD AN ELECTED OFFICE

If you're going to show the difference between candidates. At least be honest about it. I expected better from you.

roberth
02-23-2016, 07:06
And again, I only see Trump supporters bashing on other Republican candidates (mainly Cruz), I don't see many other Republican supporters bashing on Trump, their hatred is more towards the Democratic/Socialist party.

That is because they have too much in common with Hillary and Bernie supporters.

68Charger
02-23-2016, 08:07
TRUMP HAS NO VOTING RECORD!! HE'S NEVER HELD AN ELECTED OFFICE


I came here took ask this... Just what is his voting record?

Trump's voting record doesn't "appear" at all!

davsel
02-23-2016, 11:56
So, since Trump is not a Senator, and therefore has no voting record in the Senate, voters should NOT examine the Senate voting records of Cruz and Rubio?
Is that not willful ignorance?

All candidates have unflattering issues they want to hide.
Why not bring these issues to light in order to make a more informed choice?

68Charger
02-23-2016, 14:02
So, since Trump is not a Senator, and therefore has no voting record in the Senate, voters should NOT examine the Senate voting records of Cruz and Rubio?
Is that not willful ignorance?

All candidates have unflattering issues they want to hide.
Why not bring these issues to light in order to make a more informed choice?

That's fine, but even the picture is misleading... You could replace Trump's head with a cheeseburger or a turnip and it would be just as accurate.

davsel
02-23-2016, 14:32
That's fine, but even the picture is misleading... You could replace Trump's head with a cheeseburger or a turnip and it would be just as accurate.
I honestly don't follow.
How is the picture misleading?
Each of the candidates have expressed their position on TPP. The picture shows who is/was in favor of it and who is/was not.

68Charger
02-23-2016, 14:58
I honestly don't follow.
How is the picture misleading?
Each of the candidates have expressed their position on TPP. The picture shows who is/was in favor of it and who is/was not.

Because he was never involved in the process, I don't trust his word on how he would have voted one way or the other... In a word: pandering

davsel
02-23-2016, 15:14
Because he was never involved in the process, I don't trust his word on how he would have voted one way or the other... In a word: pandering
The majority of the candidates in that picture were never involved in the process.
The linked article is specifically about Cruz and his history of playing both sides.

Aloha_Shooter
02-23-2016, 20:39
The majority of the candidates in that picture were never involved in the process. The linked article is specifically about Cruz and his history of playing both sides. You mean like how Trump praised the hell out of Hillary as recently as 2 years ago?

davsel
02-23-2016, 21:17
You mean like how Trump praised the hell out of Hillary as recently as 2 years ago?
Yes, that is also a valid argument.
Not related to the original posted article about Cruz, but true nonetheless.

roberth
02-24-2016, 08:38
You mean like how Trump praised the hell out of Hillary as recently as 2 years ago?

People change....snicker....OK LOL.