View Full Version : Colorado primaries may as well be canceled.
Bitter Clinger
02-27-2016, 01:17
Old news but I just found out. Story here.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/02/25/colorados-gop-skips-presidential-preference-on-super-tuesday/
DENVER (CBS4)– They don’t call it Super Tuesday for nothing. Twelve states, including Colorado, are holding caucuses or primaries next Tuesday.
But Colorado is the only one where Republicans won’t be weighing in on who the nominee for president should be after the state party’s executive committee decided to cancel the presidential preference poll.
“We’re talking about the presidency here and I think if you see what’s happening and some questions happening in other states with caucuses and straw polls that concerns me,” says Colorado Republican Party Chair Steve House.
He says the decisionhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/02/25/colorados-gop-skips-presidential-preference-on-super-tuesday/#) to eliminate the poll comes after the Republican National Committee made preference polls binding, meaning the state’s delegates are required to vote at the national convention for the candidate who wins the caucus. In the past, delegates could change their votes.
“How do you run a straw poll in a way that honors the process being done right without any shenanigans, without any issues? I still believe if you’re going to bind your delegates to candidate that may very well be the next president of United States you should do it with a voting process that we all know and believe in. That’s why we advocate that a presidential primary is a good idea,” said House.
“This is an idea both my Republican counterpart and I agree on,” says Rick Palacio, the head of the Colorado Democratic Party.
He’s worked for years on bringing back a presidential primary, but he says caucuses are still key.
“It’s democracy at its finest. I mean you’re meeting in people’s living rooms and churches and schoolshttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png (http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/02/25/colorados-gop-skips-presidential-preference-on-super-tuesday/#) across the state and talking not just about who their supporting for president but the platform for the democratic party, talking about state legislative races and county commissions.”
The state Democratic Party also won’t award any delegates Tuesday night, but it will do a straw poll, and Palacio says enthusiasm is high.
“Our phones are ringing off the hook. We’ve had to call in extra volunteers just to tell try to tell people where their caucus location is.”
The poll itself is rather informal – people show up, divide into Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders groups and volunteers count them up.
But, because the results are reported to the media, both democratic candidates have campaigned here.
With the exception of Jeb Bush, who dropped out of the race, Republican candidates haven’t held public events in Colorado, yet.
“In the end, Colorado will get so much attention in the general election that it’s just going to be crazy,” says House.
The caucuses are the first of a four step process in choosing a nominee.
Typically, only about two to three percent of either party attends the caucuses, another argument for a primary.
Primaries are expensive but there are two proposed ballot measures to establish open primary elections in Colorado… meaning unaffiliated voters could participate too. Only Coloradans who registered as a Democrat or Republican as of Jan. 4 can participate in the caucuses.
Shaun Boyd (http://denver.cbslocal.com/personality/shaun-boyd/) is CBS4’s political specialist. She’s a veteran reporter with more than 25 years of experience. Follow her on Twitter @cbs4shaun (https://twitter.com/cbs4shaun).
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Can the GOPe get any more corrupt?
Colorado is going to send delegates to the convention, and they will be able to vote for anyone they feel like voting for on the day.
If no candidate has the required 51% at the convention, but an outside candidate like Trump is in the lead nationwide, Colorado delegates can just bump up the GOPe candidate for the win?
The people of Colorado have absolutely no say in who the RNC candidate will be. It is entirely up to the few delegates we send to decide.
SHENANIGANS !!!!!
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blacklabel
02-27-2016, 03:10
But hey guys, don't throw away your vote.
Great-Kazoo
02-27-2016, 03:17
Unlike the DNC, which is being run completely on the level.
The entire electoral process has been subverted by the few. Who for the time are publicly, without fear of retribution, manipulating the votes. In times past it was done behind closed doors. NOW, neither party gives a fuck what we care. As long as "their guy, or gal" wins.
Maybe we deserve a trump, or sanders. If so perhaps the old guard would do what investors did in 29. Jump out a tall buildings window. If only.
Would be interesting to see if Trump has a majority going into the convention, and the RNC ends up nominating someone else.
Wonder if it might be the start of a viable third party around Trump.
Or spark a revolution.
Either way.
Great-Kazoo
02-27-2016, 08:50
Would be interesting to see if Trump has a majority going into the convention, and the RNC ends up nominating someone else.
Wonder if it might be the start of a viable third party around Trump.
Or spark a revolution.
Either way.
The only thing it would spark is a guaranteed D Victory.
It's herp-derp to the max. The R party who is upset both local & national with trump and voter turn out..
Is the same party that forced Pete Coors and Scam Maes on us [pileoshit] Stay classy RNC.
XC700116
02-27-2016, 10:52
Seems like it could actually be a decent idea, if used properly here's why.
Say something comes out next week, or anytime pre-convention, about Trump, and you KNOW damn good and well they are digging hard to find it (all sides, media, DNC, etc) And I'm talking something bad, that's going to guarantee a Clinton/Sanders win. So now the convention rolls around and due to binding vote, we still end up with him as the nominee. Here you go DNC here's another 4 years in the WH. Done deal.
Which if I remember correctly is pretty much exactly how we ended up with Maes being on the ticket. Post primary douchebaggery.
Granted, it's wide open for abuse, and I actually think it's being done because of Trump, but I also happen to think all these people backing trump are for the most part buying a bridge over BS harbor too, just like Ventura in MN and Schwarzenegger in CA.
Zundfolge
02-27-2016, 13:16
I too am angry and disappointed in the Colorado GOP (and have been for some time).
This latest BS about us not having any input into the presidential candidate is just the latest in a string of BS from the state party apparatus.
That said I'm still going to the caucus because the presidential straw poll is only a tiny part of what's going on there. Basically if we decide not to have anything to do with the caucus because of this we will continue to leave the party in the hands of idiots. And setting aside what's going on in national politics, Colorado is in dire straits right now and we need to focus on taking back the state.
Wresting control from the gun grabbing Demonrats and preventing the Socialized Medicine scheme that Dems are planning on shoving down our throats via ballot initiative are frankly more important than whether Trump, Cruz, Rubio or whoever else is the national presidential candidate (its not like Colorado has ever been the linchpin on which that decision has been made in the past anyway, in 2008 Colorado chose Romney who dropped out the next day and in 2012 we picked freakin' Santorum for the love of Christ).
If solidly conservative, grass roots tea party type Republicans don't show up at the caucus then we leave the state party in the hands of the Establishment GOP schmucks that have been mucking things up since 2002.
Guess they're protecting us from ourselves. After all, they do know better than us, right? [pileoshit][facepalm]
I vote for an instant-runoff election. Helps mask the stink.
Firehaus
02-27-2016, 21:47
Would be interesting to see if Trump has a majority going into the convention, and the RNC ends up nominating someone else.
Wonder if it might be the start of a viable third party around Trump.
Or spark a revolution.
Either way.
I've been wondering if we're not seeing another Perot situation. It worked for the clintons last time!
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RblDiver
02-28-2016, 08:58
I plan on going to the caucus. I'll try (probably fail) to become a delegate so I can vote for Cruz.
I plan on going to the caucus. I'll try (probably fail) to become a delegate so I can vote for Cruz.
How do you become a delegate?
How do you become a delegate?
Gotta get on the GOP website and sign up.
I did it, went to the meeting. I was the only person in the room who didn't get a big envelope, I contacted my "lead" and they never got back to me so I didn't get to caucus.
beast556
02-28-2016, 20:29
Gotta get on the GOP website and sign up.
I did it, went to the meeting. I was the only person in the room who didn't get a big envelope, I contacted my "lead" and they never got back to me so I didn't get to caucus.
You didnt fit in with there agenda.
You didnt fit in with there agenda.
:)
I don't know what they know about my voting record. I drove my ugly ex-Forest Service F250, they probably didn't like that, maybe I should have rented a Lincoln. All I knew I wasn't going to poll for Romney.
Bitter Clinger
03-02-2016, 01:48
This is BS. Damn Trump. We need primaries here. Not this archaic bullshit.
Great-Kazoo
03-02-2016, 03:29
This is BS. Damn Trump. We need primaries here. Not this archaic bullshit.
Both parties are rigging the primaries, to their benefit. TRUMP & Sanders tossed wrenches in the work's. How they both get who they want nominated at this point will be interesting.
Went to my Caucus last night.. Eye opener to say the least. But I am now a county delegate (wheee). I have to go March 19th and try to get elected to be the state delegate... Then if you win that, you have to compete to be a national delegate. (e.g. no shot in hell).
The interesting part about my Caucus is that most were in favor of Cruz, several in favor of Rubio, and no one in favor of Trump -- in fact it was a solid "Anyone but Trump".
More importantly, the two districts that I was in the room with were filled with ultra-right wing bible thumpers. People who think that Rubio is left of Clinton, and that we should all be forced to pray to their god (not any other) in schools and work. Fuck that was chilling.
Look I am fine with people having religion - but honestly the uber right wing religious nuts are what is ultimately killing the GOP. There is a reason why a lot of people are wanting Trump - and its because they are pissed off at the ultra right wing religious folks for taking over the party and driving it into a ditch of hate and divisiveness. They (uber right-wing religious zealots) gotta give a little on some key social issues or we are doomed to the Democratic version of the same (e.g. uber left wing socialists who are killing the Democratic party). Again, religion is fine and wonderful - but you gotta win the White House or it means nothing. Damn the moral high ground, this is politics! If you don't win - you don't have any ground at all.
Look I am fine with people having religion - but honestly the uber right wing religious nuts are what is ultimately killing the GOP. There is a reason why a lot of people are wanting Trump - and its because they are pissed off at the ultra right wing religious folks for taking over the party and driving it into a ditch of hate and divisiveness. They (uber right-wing religious zealots) gotta give a little on some key social issues or we are doomed to the Democratic version of the same (e.g. uber left wing socialists who are killing the Democratic party). Again, religion is fine and wonderful - but you gotta win the White House or it means nothing. Damn the moral high ground, this is politics! If you don't win - you don't have any ground at all.
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While I'm sympathetic to the caucus system because it weeds out the closet and open leftists from influencing selections, it also distorts that selection by giving 'the little old ladies on 3rd street' undue influence. I've gone to caucus and to the county assembly as a delegate several times. But it isn't working when the early states effectively lock the nomination with eastern-centric politicians. Currently, Colorado Republicans have no input in the selection of the nominee.
When McCain ran, I and others went to caucus primarily to see he didn't get the nomination, but the fix was already in, before the CO caucus. Same again with Trump, even though Cruz would likely be the winner among CO caucus or primary voters. We need to reform the state committee and move to an early closed primary system where only registered R's can vote in the R primary.
Mesa County Republicans back Cruz (http://www.gjsentinel.com/news/articles/mesa-county-republicans-back-cruz)
Super Tuesday suspense lacking (http://www.gjsentinel.com/opinion/articles/super-tuesday-suspense-lacking)
EDITORIAL: Scrap this old Colorado caucus system (http://gazette.com/editorial-scrap-this-old-caucus-system/article/1571172)
When McCain ran, I and others went to caucus primarily to see he didn't get the nomination, but the fix was already in, before the CO caucus. Same again with Trump, even though Cruz would likely be the winner among CO caucus or primary voters. We need to reform the state committee and move to an early closed primary system where only registered R's can vote in the R primary.
I agree. I don't get the whole staggered system anyway...all it does is encourage candidates to lie and pander to each state's demographics in order to win. Well that and concentrate influence in the "first in the nation" states. All primaries/caucuses should be closed, and they should all be held on the same day. If nobody wins 50% +1 then auto-runoff. Although I concede that the above quoted suggestion is 100% more likely to occur than what I mentioned.
ETA: Oh yeah, and +1 Asmo.
I agree. I don't get the whole staggered system anyway...all it does is encourage candidates to lie and pander to each state's demographics in order to win. Well that and concentrate influence in the "first in the nation" states. All primaries/caucuses should be closed, and they should all be held on the same day. If nobody wins 50% +1 then auto-runoff. Although I concede that the above quoted suggestion is 100% more likely to occur than what I mentioned.
ETA: Oh yeah, and +1 Asmo.
National Committees want to ensure that nominees are selected, not elected.
We went to our first caucus last night, and I am severely understating things when I say it was a clusterf*ck and a ridiculous waste of time. The "old guard" was definitely in it to guard their positions. Resolutions were pounded through, fast and furious, and the bible-thumpers really tried to push their agenda.
sellersm
03-02-2016, 16:45
I suggest you read the book "We won't get fooled again" by Gregg Jackson & Steve Deace. Great insight into the GOP & RNC & all things Republican.
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The only Caucasus I've been to are in Russia near Georgia. Pretty country, lousy food. [Coffee]
wctriumph
03-02-2016, 18:38
I went to my caucus last night, we had 4 precincts represented and we split up to do our thing. By the end of the night I was elected as an alternate delegate and the results for the straw poll were:
Rubio - 10
Cruz - 4
Kasich - 3
Trump 1
undecided - 2
It was an education for sure and some good people there from college to long time retired, women were about a third of the meeting.
Jeffrey Lebowski
03-02-2016, 19:47
More importantly, the two districts that I was in the room with were filled with ultra-right wing bible thumpers. People who think that Rubio is left of Clinton, and that we should all be forced to pray to their god (not any other) in schools and work. Fuck that was chilling.
Look I am fine with people having religion - but honestly the uber right wing religious nuts are what is ultimately killing the GOP. There is a reason why a lot of people are wanting Trump - and its because they are pissed off at the ultra right wing religious folks for taking over the party and driving it into a ditch of hate and divisiveness. They (uber right-wing religious zealots) gotta give a little on some key social issues or we are doomed to the Democratic version of the same (e.g. uber left wing socialists who are killing the Democratic party). Again, religion is fine and wonderful - but you gotta win the White House or it means nothing. Damn the moral high ground, this is politics! If you don't win - you don't have any ground at all.
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Yeah, really guys. Flush your principles down the toilet so we can be like the dems!
Zundfolge
03-02-2016, 21:23
While I'm sympathetic to the caucus system because it weeds out the closet and open leftists from influencing selections, it also distorts that selection by giving 'the little old ladies on 3rd street' undue influence. I've gone to caucus and to the county assembly as a delegate several times. But it isn't working when the early states effectively lock the nomination with eastern-centric politicians... We need to reform the state committee and move to an early closed primary system where only registered R's can vote in the R primary.
I've mentioned it before but the entire presidential candidate selection system needs to be overhauled.
My suggestions are as follows:
ALL 51 primaries/caucuses are held on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in February of the year of the Election.
No more conventions. This new national Primary/Caucus day would replace them.
No candidate is allowed to officially announce (and thus fund raise) more than 3 months before Primary/Caucus Day (thus exactly one year before Election Day).
ALL 51 primaries/caucuses are closed (and the deadline for registration in your party of choice is 6 months prior. Only exceptions are for those that have moved or turned 18 during that time).
Primary elections or Caucuses would be allowed and that would be decided by the state parties or governments (we are all Federalists after all)...
...But all primaries would be "preferential" or "Ranked" or "Instant-runnoff" type voting (this insuring that the wining candidate gets 50%+ of the actual vote). Also all caucuses would require 50%+ to declare a victor (but that's really the point of caucuses anyway and I assume that's how all of them are run now).
Results nor projections from primaries/caucuses can be made public until 7pm of the westernmost time zone in the country (which is currently Hawaii-Aleutian Time which is 10pm here in MST and midnight on Wednesday EST). This is a rule I'd like to see for general elections as well.
I'm sick and tired of my candidate being picked by Democrats in New Hampshire.
Oh and for the record I prefer a primary over a caucus for CO ... but I'm open to either if everyone else in the party wants to caucus I could live with that.
I've mentioned it before but the entire presidential candidate selection system needs to be overhauled.
My suggestions are as follows:
ALL 51 primaries/caucuses are held on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in February of the year of the Election.
No more conventions. This new national Primary/Caucus day would replace them.
No candidate is allowed to officially announce (and thus fund raise) more than 3 months before Primary/Caucus Day (thus exactly one year before Election Day).
ALL 51 primaries/caucuses are closed (and the deadline for registration in your party of choice is 6 months prior. Only exceptions are for those that have moved or turned 18 during that time).
Primary elections or Caucuses would be allowed and that would be decided by the state parties or governments (we are all Federalists after all)...
...But all primaries would be "preferential" or "Ranked" or "Instant-runnoff" type voting (this insuring that the wining candidate gets 50%+ of the actual vote). Also all caucuses would require 50%+ to declare a victor (but that's really the point of caucuses anyway and I assume that's how all of them are run now).
Results nor projections from primaries/caucuses can be made public until 7pm of the westernmost time zone in the country (which is currently Hawaii-Aleutian Time which is 10pm here in MST and midnight on Wednesday EST). This is a rule I'd like to see for general elections as well.
I'm sick and tired of my candidate being picked by Democrats in New Hampshire.
Oh and for the record I prefer a primary over a caucus for CO ... but I'm open to either if everyone else in the party wants to caucus I could live with that.
I like all of those. They could bring more fairness, integrity, and substantive focus on the issues back into the process.
Conservatives are tired of losing their voice when our numbers dominate in the population. We rightly blame the timid entrenched money brokers in congress, and the corrupt partisan news media that has lost it's way in America. Trump is an outgrowth of these failings, a product of the sensationalist media, a successor to the dictatorial Obamanistas, a dumbed-down version of Adolf Hitler. And Coloradoans have no voice until judgement day when there is no choice left at all.
It seems this issue is coming to a head. Too bad it had to happen, post mordem. Again.
http://www.krdo.com/news/Colorado-should-move-to-presidential-primary-parties-agree/38306100
Great-Kazoo
03-02-2016, 23:09
Yeah, really guys. Flush your principles down the toilet so we can be like the dems!
It's more than principles involved here.
ANYTIME some R opens their mouth about abortion before or during an election cycle . The media goes on a feeding frenzy.
Know what put Gardner in Udall's seat.
. WAR ON WOMAN. The attack ads on Gardner saying Gardner would turn back the clock, ban, repeal etc woman's rights. It fell flat. It actually gave Udall a negative rating from exit poll voters. Even Udall said it "might have pushed votes towards his opponent"
Want to talk abortion, don't! shut the fuck up and focus on real issues. Like Terrorism, states rights, removing our dependency on foreign oil. I respect your personal beliefs. Unfortunately it no longer plays to the public. Udall's the perfect example.
Some of us place infant murder ahead of dependency on foreign oil.
We will not shut up whether or not it costs an election. Not in our nature I suppose.
One day, people may put some thought into where our country's morals lie instead of closing their eyes and ears to what is going on all around them.
YMMV
Great-Kazoo
03-03-2016, 08:35
I'm not minimizing the abortion issue or debate.
HOWEVER, there's a number of issues we need to address. 1 is everyone's fault, the others lie with the party of inclusion, they own it , we need to break it.
Foreign oil is a moral AND ethical problem. We cannot defeat islam while continually pumping billions in to their economy. Past time for building another 2 or 3 refinery's
One thing we're doing when on the ground in the middle east. Doing someone else dirty work. You want it that bad, get your team on the ground.
Bring them home, throw them on the border. Retrain vets for something private sector. BRING FOREIGN JOBS HOME.
Return us to a time when we made our goods here, not the same places we decry are stealing jobs. While using our BOGO at walmarts and on line.
Stop pandering to POC's while (DEMOCRATS) keep them in financial slavery. GET UP, GET TRAINED, GET A JOB!
Welfare was suppose to be a bootstrap, not a perpetual lifeline for those gaming the system.
Excellent points Kazoo. [Beer]
Zundfolge
03-03-2016, 10:21
I like all of those. They could bring more fairness, integrity, and substantive focus on the issues back into the process.
Which is why it'll never happen :p
(sorry for the glib cynicism ... I couldn't resist).
Which is why it'll never happen :p
(sorry for the glib cynicism ... I couldn't resist).
You're not cynical, you're a realist. :)
Primaries also are only selecting delegates for the convention.
Regarding the wingnuts to paraphrase Reagan better to ally with someone agreeing with you 80% of the time then not. Especially for 2nd Amendment issues, the democrats want confiscation. Soccer moms even Republican often support regulation so to keep the right to bear arms, we may have to ally with evangelicals and maybe even pray with them, to preserve this precious natural right.
Alexander Hamilton mocked the bill of rights in the Federalist Papers because how could the government prohibit a right not even mentioned in the Constitution. Now look at Europe, they want to arm themselves and argue that we have the right due to the Second Amendment. No they and all free people have that right, their rules don't recognize it.
England and Australia and Canada, our relatives in the individual rights area, now have severe restrictions on firearms ownership.
Yeah, really guys. Flush your principles down the toilet so we can be like the dems!
Just gonna leave this here.
The TL;DR version: Get votes or do nothing and complain - those are your only two options. To get a larger number of votes you need to relax the rhetoric on a couple of key social issues. Many many many independents only vote Dem due to all the Republican mongering 2 issues.
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Sounds like our nation has dropped the ball on the importance and benefit of religious beliefs.
Seeing as how our nation was founded on these beliefs, it is a sad commentary on what we've become.
As Lebowski stated, we can either flush our principles in order to gain more votes, or perhaps stick to our principles and educate others as to what they are, their history in our nation, and why they matter - bring them over and gain more votes.
It is obvious which way our nation will go.
John Adams in a speech to the military in 1798 warned his fellow countrymen stating, "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . . . Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
I have talked with 6 of the candidates running for various offices in DoCo. I have said this to all of them when they start Bible thumping (not a pejorative, using it as a cultural reference) - as of yet, I haven't found one that actually gets it.
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jhood001
03-11-2016, 02:22
Sounds like our nation has dropped the ball on the importance and benefit of religious beliefs.
Seeing as how our nation was founded on these beliefs.
Fiction.
Jeffrey Lebowski
03-11-2016, 06:34
I wasn'tmaking a religious statement. It definitely was neither for nor against in that realm.
More so a[n apparent] failed rhetorical wondering how Machiavellian do we want to be, and this race to the bottom.
It certainly wasn't a platform on gays or abortion or pot or immigration or whatever your flavor du jour. $0.02
There's religious, and then there's this:
This is Cruz's Father Telling You All You Need To Know (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=231221)
This is what you're voting for if you vote for Ted Cruz.
This is the sort of crazy you're voting to put in the White House. I will remind you that there is little -- or no -- difference between this and the Mullahs in Iran today, the historical theocracies that burned women at the stake, and, if we allow it, that very same evil will be ensconced in our government.
If you're arrogant enough to believe that you have your finger on the pulse of God, and can anoint individuals as these people do -- and I remind you that this is Cruz himself and his father, not some random kook -- you are inviting that arrogance and evil, the very work of Satan, into the highest office of our land.
Humans, standing at the pulpit and arguing that we can anoint humans to take dominion in all areas -- economics, people, politics.
The making of KINGS to take dominion, go to WAR and bring the spoils of war to the Priests.
These are not my words, they are straight out of these sermons.
Listen for yourself; this is what you're voting for if you vote for or support Cruz.
You saw this on display last night with only a bit of obfuscation when it comes to the issue of Israel and the Palestinians. While it might be necessary to literally "kill them all" both Rubio and Cruz's opening position was to do exactly that rather than first attempt, in an honest and impartial way, to prevent a war and the killing not just of fighting individuals but also women and children with the latter being true innocents who have no beef with anyone.
People who hold these views are flat-out psychotic and we must not allow them into the halls of the Executive, or we shall have in fact invited Satan into the White House.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNa5w9js48s
There's religious, and then there's this:
This is Cruz's Father Telling You All You Need To Know (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=231221)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNa5w9js48s
While I'm not a big fan of the Cruz clan, you support a godless, vain heathen like Trump, while supposedly support/uphold religious vaues?
Get it together man. Don't overlook the foibles of your candidate while you actively disparage another.
Flame away. I know you're going to, but the more you rant, the more transparent the thin veil of your professed Christian belief crumbles.
Judge not, lest ye be judged?
I seem to remember some important points concerning compassion and forgiveness as well. Carry on.
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I re-post someone else's commentary, and you choose to attack me and my faith?
Take a breath.
My breath is fine.
Nice deflection, though.
I have no doubt in your faith. You have been adamant in professing that for a long time.
You come across as a bit closed-minded, and extremely critical. You also don't respond well to criticism, constructive or otherwise. You also don't come across as very open to debate and discussion.
You say what you think, yet demand citation and verification from any that dare to oppose you.
The fact that you took such offense to my post says a lot.
What it says is up to individual interpretation.
sent from somewhere
[ROFL2]
Still attempting to attack the messenger while ignoring the message.
Carry on.
Zundfolge
03-11-2016, 23:08
davsel, something you (and frankly, I) are going to have to come to terms with is that civilizations simply do not survive the deaths of their gods.
America will not be saved.
[ROFL2]
Still attempting to attack the messenger while ignoring the message.
Carry on.
[ROFL2] indeed.
Must be your favorite. 2 replies in a row.
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[ROFL2] indeed.
Must be your favorite. 2 replies in a row.
sent from somewhere
Please standby.
I feel I should consult my 11 year old daughter in the morning to determine how best to reply to this.
This thread is obviously no longer about the Colorado primary/caucus and is degrading into a personal feud.
Just a warning; Do not take these personal comments into another thread. The next time it won't only be a thread that gets closed.
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