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ruthabagah
03-09-2016, 16:36
Got bored at work today and decided to check what the impact of a Dong Feng - 5 warhead would have if it was released on Bukley AFB.... I need to move!
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http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt=5000&lat=39.7033424&lng=-104.7578287&hob_opt=1&hob_psi=5&hob_ft=17519&casualties=1&humanitarian=1&fallout=1&ff=50&psi=20,5,1.5&therm=_3rd-100,_3rd-50,_2nd-50,_1st-50&zm=10
Id just need to head south for about 5-10 minutes.
ruthabagah
03-09-2016, 16:44
Id just need to head south for about 5-10 minutes.
But chances are you would be in the blast radius of the nuke hitting Peterson AFB.....
But chances are you would be in the blast radius of the nuke hitting Peterson AFB.....
Yeah, I'm smack dab in the middle. Guess I should go for east, not south. LOL. Looks like things get safe around Kiowa.
You guys should see the radius of the repost police, it's so broad it's measured in years!
BushMasterBoy
03-09-2016, 17:03
No matter where I move to the space aliens find me, so why should I worry about DPRK or PRC? On a clear day I can see NORAD.
It looks like I'm just a few blocks outside of the center target circle. In the event of a nuke I'm thinking that may be the best place. You survivor types have fun without me.
Yeah, I'm smack dab in the middle. Guess I should go for east, not south. LOL. Looks like things get safe around Kiowa.
Prevailing winds go to the East (read: radiation). I'd head west.
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The Norseman
03-09-2016, 17:50
Watch out for the Donger!
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How many Dongs does he have?
I imagine he wouldn't throw one at Buckley until he hit every target of opportunity in the Pacific; LA, San Francisco, etc...
Eh, I don't trust Korean technology. Especially North Korean. The delivery device probably wouldn't carry the warhead as far as Hawaii. Much less the mainland.
The Cold War during the sixties were better for paranoia
HoneyBadger
03-09-2016, 18:55
Something people often forget about is geography. A small hill can protect a person or structure from many of the pressure, heat, and radiation effects.
BushMasterBoy
03-09-2016, 19:19
I already have a mass grave dug for the neighbors...
Everybody has to die somehow, might as well go out with a bang.
spqrzilla
03-09-2016, 19:51
I already have a mass grave dug for the neighbors...
Do any have nice daughters?
You really think the Norks have fuse that long?
HoneyBadger
03-09-2016, 20:31
First of all, the DF-3 is Chinese, not Korean. Second, North Korea's ability to test a nuke on their own soil has a very low success rate. I can't imagine their ability to successfully project a nuke to another hemisphere has much promise. If I had to make a guess, I would bet that IF the North Koreans could successfully put together and detonate a nuke on an ICBM, the yield of the warhead would most definitely be less than 50kt and they might be able to get it into the right State.
That is, If they even know where Buckley is...they seem to think that Colorado Springs is in Alabama.
Rooskibar03
03-09-2016, 22:08
Something people often forget about is geography. A small hill can protect a person or structure from many of the pressure, heat, and radiation effects.
My money is on that. Hopefully living up here in the hills offers some protection
Got plenty of bottle caps and Nuka Cola- I'm set.....[Coffee]
GilpinGuy
03-09-2016, 22:17
My money is on that. Hopefully living up here in the hills offers some protection
Hell yeah. Shit drifts east (just like the smoke from my chimney and emissions from my Jeep [Flower]).
http://anodtothegods.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/tumblr_o3gs9rzysb1tax84vo1_500.jpg
KevDen2005
03-10-2016, 22:33
You guys should see the radius of the repost police, it's so broad it's measured in years!
And super deadly. The fallout alone lasts a lifetime.
The USA has spent so much money over this issue, we deserve to glow if our stuff won't work.
GilpinGuy
03-10-2016, 23:15
Mo
And super deadly. The fallout alone lasts a lifetime.
Actually, it's harmless to all, except those with "repost repulsion syndrome". This only affects a small, sensitive, easily irritated segment of society that usually has a "holier-than-thou" attitude.[Coffee]
KevDen2005
03-11-2016, 11:44
Mo
Actually, it's harmless to all, except those with "repost repulsion syndrome". This only affects a small, sensitive, easily irritated segment of society that usually has a "holier-than-thou" attitude.[Coffee]
Nice!
Aieeee, this brings back nightmares like I had in high school.
Aieeee, this brings back nightmares like I had in high school.
Those the ones where you're not wearing any pants during a nuclear strike? I hated those dreams.
Something people often forget about is geography. A small hill can protect a person or structure from many of the pressure, heat, and radiation effects.
I thought the Mt. St. Helens eruption disproved that theory, as the blast wave hugged the ground and decimated trees on the far side of the hills for miles around.
HoneyBadger
03-12-2016, 06:41
I thought the Mt. St. Helens eruption disproved that theory, as the blast wave hugged the ground and decimated trees on the far side of the hills for miles around.
A volcano is similar to a bomb in some ways, different in many others (primarily the heat "wave" and radiation)
Soil and rock will absorb some of the heat, blast, and radiation, while also deflecting much of it. This is why the altitude of the blast makes such a huge difference (and why we fuse most nukes to detonate in the air instead of on the ground). Hiroshima and Nagasaki both detonated at 1500+ft above the ground, but the devastation would have been considerably worse if both areas were not so mountainous. No, a 40ft tall rolling hill may not make much of a difference, but being North of Monument Pass in a scenario where Colorado Springs gets nuked would make a huge difference. I know Denver isn't exactly full of mountains, but even something as simple as being in your basement is a considerable improvement over being on the main floor of a house in terms of radiation, heat, and pressure exposure. It's probably safe to assume that just about any nukes used against Colorado targets (with the sole exception of Cheyenne Mtn) will be an airburst several thousand feet up, precisely because it maximizes the destructive effects of the weapon.
cmailliard
03-12-2016, 06:43
I thought the Mt. St. Helens eruption disproved that theory, as the blast wave hugged the ground and decimated trees on the far side of the hills for miles around.
It really depends on distance here, blast waves are pretty powerful. The three things that protect against radiation are Time, Distance and Shielding.
Time - If we know the dose rate, using exposure limits we can know how long to safely stay in an area
Working in the nuclear industry is 5 Rem/Year
Mitigating an Incident is 10 Rem/Event
Saving a Life is 25 Rem/Event
Distance - The further away you are the better you are (duh!) It is the greatest way to protect yourself
Alpha Particles only travels a few inches to a foot or so - I demo this in my Hazmat/WMD classes with Uranium Ore (yeah, you can buy that on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Images-SI-Uranium-Ore/dp/B000796XXM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1457792985&sr=8-2&keywords=uranium)) and a detector
Beta Particles can travel several yards
Gamma, well it's kinda like the Energizer bunny
Shielding - What will stop these types of radiation
Alpha - a piece of paper or your skin (you are contaminated so you better decontaminate yourself)
Beta - Need a bit more, a hazmat suit will protect you
Gamma - Lead or other dense material (lots of concrete)
Everyone thinks Alpha is not bad because it can stopped by a piece of paper and does not travel far. The problem with Alpha is, it is very ionizing, meaning it does a great deal of damage if you are exposed (it is in your body). Breathing it in is the most common way to become exposed. An N95 (P100 is better) will do real good job at filtering Alpha and Beta.
There is a nuclear reactor in the Denver Metro area, not many people know about it. Let's see if someone here knows where. I am sure there is at least one person.
It is used in a pretty cool way, it is about 6 feet in diameter and about 20 feet deep (at least the pool). It has about 25 fuel rods IIRC. When it is on it is the coolest color blue you can ever imagine.
On Nuclear Secrecy, read his blog, he has so much awesome information about radiation. Read about the Demon Core, pretty interesting stuff.
Here are some fun sites
Dose Calculator (http://www.ans.org/pi/resources/dosechart/) - Living in Colorado sucks
Dose Chart (https://xkcd.com/radiation/)- Fun to look at and see how much radiation really is bad
Dose (http://modernsurvivalblog.com/nuclear/radiation-geiger-counter-the-radiation-network/) - It is worse than trying to figure out electricity, at least for me. This page does a decent job breaking it down
HoneyBadger
03-12-2016, 07:15
^And there you have it, folks. [not-worthy]
When it is on it is the coolest color blue you can ever imagine.
Got to see Cherenkov radiation (https://www.google.com/search?q=cherenkov+radiation&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=633&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiQ7c6GpbvLAhVouoMKHYJXBWwQ_AUIBigB) at Los Alamos' Omega West reactor (now decommissioned). Being a nerd, almost the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. A light that casts no shadows on the core.
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cmailliard - thanks for the details and websites.
There is a nuclear reactor in the Denver Metro area, not many people know about it. Let's see if someone here knows where. I am sure there is at least one person.
It is used in a pretty cool way, it is about 6 feet in diameter and about 20 feet deep (at least the pool). It has about 25 fuel rods IIRC. When it is on it is the coolest color blue you can ever imagine.
Fort St Vrain, is Platteville part of the Denver Metro? The only other place I can think of is Rocky Flats.
cmailliard
03-12-2016, 08:18
cmailliard - thanks for the details and websites.
Fort St Vrain, is Platteville part of the Denver Metro? The only other place I can think of is Rocky Flats.
Fort St. Vrain is no longer a nuclear facility, it is now natural gas powered.
Rocky Flats had a crap ton of Plutonium. In fact there was a substantial release (I think in the 80's) which sent a plume over Denver. It is what led to the FBI raiding the facility and shutting it down. No more radiation out there.
This reactor is in a Denver suburb and is used for research.
I didn't know they converted Vrain, I thought they just decommissioned it. I spent the last 30 minutes reading the websites you presented.
cmailliard
03-12-2016, 08:32
I didn't know they converted Vrain, I thought they just decommissioned it. I spent the last 30 minutes reading the websites you presented.
Yeah, pretty sure Xcel still operates it.
I spent close to half a day reading the blog at Nuclear Secrecy (http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/) when I first found it. Very cool stuff and awesome history.
I never knew the horse on the way to DIA was nuclear.
There is a nuclear reactor in the Denver Metro area, not many people know about it. Let's see if someone here knows where. I am sure there is at least one person.
It is used in a pretty cool way, it is about 6 feet in diameter and about 20 feet deep (at least the pool). It has about 25 fuel rods IIRC. When it is on it is the coolest color blue you can ever imagine.
The Fed center?
buffalobo
03-12-2016, 11:29
St Vrain is still operated by Xcel.
NREL has done alot of research on effects of nuclear energy on the environment(usually from a leftist environmentalist perspective).
They get my vote for having reactor.
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USGS TRIGA reactor.
http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2012/3093/
cmailliard
03-12-2016, 15:13
The Fed center?
USGS TRIGA reactor.
http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2012/3093/
Ding, Ding
The United States Geologic Service has a reactor for research, somehow they use it to date material and determine composition from core samples. They actually use fishing poles to hold the samples, that was the most amazing part, here is the government agency with a nuclear reactor and using fishing poles, that is about as low tech as I can imagine. Pretty cool place.
cmailliard
03-12-2016, 15:17
St Vrain is still operated by Xcel.
NREL has done alot of research on effects of nuclear energy on the environment(usually from a leftist environmentalist perspective).
They get my vote for having reactor.
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Nope, but NREL has a bunch of nasty chemicals, which is probably worse.
I never knew the horse on the way to DIA was nuclear.
That horse is just waiting for the sawed-off nork to ride him into the sunset.
That horse is just waiting for the sawed-off nork to ride him into the sunset.
Fitting--they are both murderers.
Getting waaaaaaaaay off topic.
Fitting--they are both murderers.
That's right! No wonder that damn horse is so fugly.
Part of a 32-foot sculpture was being moved with a hoist at Jimenez's New Mexico studio when it came loose and struck the artist, pinning him against a steel support, said the Lincoln County Sheriff's Department. He was taken to the Lincoln County Medical Center, where he was later pronounced dead.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/dia-sculptor-killed-by-own-sculpture
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