View Full Version : Neighbor smoking weed in public - What to do?
We live in a pretty upscale neighborhood, I will say we are not bringing down the values of the neighborhoods around us... Anyway we have a neighbor that seems to like to smoke up in his car out front of his house. Also have noticed lots of random visitors dropping by for a few minutes at a time. At any rate, the kid seems to be of about highschool maybe college aged and they smoke up in the car and then sometimes drive off and other times they just go back in the house. I have noticed this every few days so I assume they are probably doing it more often. When it happens, it stinks up the whole street and some kids walked by today coming back from the neighborhood park holding their noses complaining about a skunk in the area. Kinda made me feel bad for them and I really do hate that smell.
Debating on what to do here?
-Call cops. let them deal with it?
-Confront the guy and tell him to knock that shit off and then have a neighbor fued?
-Spray his car with a fire extinguisher while they are toking up?
Clearly the parents or bread winners of the home are ok with this guy toking up as you would have to be a moron not to smell this on your kid. I am sure they will tell me it is legal and will stand behind that even though it is not legal to do it underage, in your car and then drive, or outside of your home.
Really hate this new law!
BushMasterBoy
03-13-2016, 23:34
Ask them to smoke in the back yard? I'd just call the cops...
beast556
03-13-2016, 23:40
Calling the cops now a days for someone smoking weed, you will be lucky if they show up. I would MYOB nothing good will come from fighting with nehibors.
Call the cops... Let them be the bad guys. It's their job....
GilpinGuy
03-13-2016, 23:44
Taking the good guy approach like "Hey you guys might want to go out back or inside...some of the neighbors are talking about calling the cops on you guys" might work.
Then they won't TP your house on Halloween.
Is the car running? Was it recently running? He wouldn't happen to have his keys with him while he was in the car, would he?
SA Friday
03-13-2016, 23:52
Calling the cops now a days for someone smoking weed, you will be lucky if they show up. I would MYOB nothing good will come from fighting with nehibors.
Yep. You failed to list "do nothing" as an option. This is a first world problem at worst.
I'm going to have to vote for "do nothing" as well. No good will come from it and I doubt the police will even intervene. Although, I do like the fire extinguisher idea.
But, if you insist on doing something, if the kid does live with his parents you could always go over and politely ask them if they wouldn't mind asking their son to stop smoking weed in his car and possibly do it indoors our in the back yard. Based off of their reaction I bet you'll know pretty quick wether they know he's doing it.
Do nothing is not an option. There are kids walking by this crap constantly. I am not putting up with this and I refuse to mind my own business and let these assholes take over the street and prevent kids from playing. Maybe I should set up a shooting range out front then, you know since guns are legal and all. I can overlook the small if they can overlook the sound.
I do see them drive away from time to time after stinking up the hood. I am thinking the cops can deal with it for now and see where that goes. I know other neighbors on the street are noticing this too so perhaps we tag team this thing.
beast556
03-14-2016, 00:13
Once they find out you are the rat, get prepared to fix your house when they vandalize it. Punk kids have nothing to loose now a days. Its a hard situation to deal with.
pickenup
03-14-2016, 00:16
Could he be smoking in his car BECAUSE his parents will not let him smoke in the house?
Roger Ronas
03-14-2016, 00:36
When you see him smoking, go over and ask for hit and chill out.
There are alot of smells out there that are worse than weed.
PugnacAutMortem
03-14-2016, 00:56
Do nothing is not an option. There are kids walking by this crap constantly. I am not putting up with this and I refuse to mind my own business and let these assholes take over the street and prevent kids from playing. Maybe I should set up a shooting range out front then, you know since guns are legal and all. I can overlook the small if they can overlook the sound.
I do see them drive away from time to time after stinking up the hood. I am thinking the cops can deal with it for now and see where that goes. I know other neighbors on the street are noticing this too so perhaps we tag team this thing.
Yep, a mild odor is absolutely the same as a lethal projectile in a neighborhood. I know you were kidding but your exaggeration is more than ridiculous. And yes, doing nothing is an option. It's always an option. Whether it's a good option or not depends on the situation. If you HAVE to say something I would stay along the lines of what Gilpin said. That is unless you like your home insurance premiums increasing all the time from all of the claims you will need to file because of the vandalization.
It's pot, it's not an ISIS sleeper cell. Have a Coke and a smile and chill out.
I'm with Pug and Gilpin Guy. People do things in my neighborhood at all times that I could come completely unhinged over. I don't because I realized that there will always be purple doing things you don't like, and if you try to confront then all head on, you won't have time for anything else and will turn into "that guy" in short order.
Plus, I'm not great with confrontation and nearly always go about it wrong because by the time something bothers me enough, I'm beyond pissed and not thinking clearly. I can name specific times when I've confronted people doing things that they should have known better, I completely lost my shit, blew up at them, and the only reason the situation didn't competed spiral out of control each time was because 1) I came at them completely out of left field like a crazy person and they were too off guard to react until later, and 2) them being off guard put them in the situation of being the person with the calmer head. By getting upset and forcing an issue head on, I inadvertently relinquished control of the situation to the other party, which was the last thing I wanted to do.
All that said, you have to back up a little bit and realize a couple of things. First, it's not nearly as dire as you'd like to think. Kids holding their noses dies not mean they can't play. Kids will hold their nose at your favorite food. That doesn't mean they are being harmed out incapacitated, just that they're being dramatic. Second, the law has been passed and we are currently in a new situation that requires new solutions.
HoneyBadger
03-14-2016, 01:42
Well, now we know which forum members voted to legalized it... [ROFL2]
If you feel the need to act, call the cops, make sure it is documented. Talk to other neighbors and try to get them as allies in your "coalition". They can call and complain too. If you do choose to confront neighbor kid/parents about it, having other neighbors with you will lend you legitimacy and hopefully allow your group to present some non-threatening options or apply friendly pressure to encourage the parents to address the situation for a more positive outcome for everyone.
Does your HOA (if you have one) say anything about it? My HOA in Colorado Springs is looking to pass a new rule against smoking pot outside of your home.
My understanding is...this is still illegal. In public...and in a vehicle which also would typically be considered the same as alcohol in a vehicle.
ColoradoTJ
03-14-2016, 04:41
Option 1- Do nothing.
Option 2- Call Cops. That is going to go about nowhere quick unless you include the driving etc. Even then, the tension between you two may not be worth it.
Option 3- Why not print out the statute, highlight the areas of concern and have it delivered. They just might "get it" and conduct themselves in a different manor.
My neighbor smokes outside in his back yard. I get a good mess of smoke coming my way a lot. I don't like it either, but I am not going to risk a 10 year good relationship over a bowl of weed.
I'd say something about not driving around high to him. He will stop thinking that you will call. Good enough.
I'm putting the front of a house back together in Longmont right now. Stoned kid missed his right turn by about 75 yards drove into house at 50 mph.
spqrzilla
03-14-2016, 06:42
If he is driving high, and you live in a district with a half competent police force, then reporting it may be useful. But I'd be surprised. This is the new normal. Welcome to New Amsterdam.
For those on the weed sucks but booze is still great.
My last job off 102nd a drunk woman took out three houses just as bad. She tried for more but the jeep was done. Be safe out there guys lol. Look both ways, way down the street.
I wish we had drunks or stoners here on my street. I've got twèekers. Anyone wanna trade? The kinds of twèekers that recycle garbage so there are always trucks trailers full of shit parked on or in the fuckin road. Cops here all the time. Feeling better about where you live yet?
I sleep with a 12 GA under my bed, cause next door lives a meth head. I like to sing that to myself when they are out in numbers lol.
cmailliard
03-14-2016, 07:07
I would call the cops, but I have a good relationship with a few PoPo's in my area. If my daughter had to put up with it even weekly or monthly, it is still too much. If they found out it was me, fine. If they tried something at my house, fine, I have cameras.
Personally I hate it. I hate the smell, I hate jackasses when high. I hate jackasses when drunk. I hate jackasses.
We have the Neighborhood website up here (facebook for a neighborhood). People bitch about stupid shit all day long on there (throwing ice in the street to melt is a problem apparently!). It wouldn't take long for the public shaming to begin here.
The obvious answer is steal the car at night, pick up a bunch of heroin and Meth and cocaine, insert it throughout the car in various hiding spots, return it in time for them not to notice and then call the cops reporting that drug abusing little bastard!
or just realize it's weed, it's legal, it's does stink but soon enough he will hopefully get a job or his own place and smoke there.
Chill out man.. you are harshin my buzz..
Jk. Dont call the cops. Just a word or two should do the trick.
Great-Kazoo
03-14-2016, 08:26
Do nothing is not an option. There are kids walking by this crap constantly. I am not putting up with this and I refuse to mind my own business and let these assholes take over the street and prevent kids from playing. Maybe I should set up a shooting range out front then, you know since guns are legal and all. I can overlook the small if they can overlook the sound.
I do see them drive away from time to time after stinking up the hood. I am thinking the cops can deal with it for now and see where that goes. I know other neighbors on the street are noticing this too so perhaps we tag team this thing.
Do you feel the same way with people in your area having a few beers out front or while talking with each other ? Last thing i'd want is a bunch of drunks out front getting loud, throwing their empties in the street. Thinking they're tough guys when you ask them to take it in their yard.
Go talk with the owners, explain (as mentioned) there's a few people on the block who would call the cops, rather then talk with them.
It's weed, it's legal. Your hands are tied. Could be worse, could be a meth lab / tweekers, bunch of redneck drunks, who never clean their yard . Leaving their shit all over your lawn.
XC700116
03-14-2016, 08:50
Yep, a mild odor is absolutely the same as a lethal projectile in a neighborhood. I know you were kidding but your exaggeration is more than ridiculous. And yes, doing nothing is an option. It's always an option. Whether it's a good option or not depends on the situation. If you HAVE to say something I would stay along the lines of what Gilpin said. That is unless you like your home insurance premiums increasing all the time from all of the claims you will need to file because of the vandalization.
It's pot, it's not an ISIS sleeper cell. Have a Coke and a smile and chill out.
Yeah well a 2500 lb car driven by someone stoned out of there goard isn't exactly a safe thing to be rolling through the neighborhood either and that isn't legal.
That's where my line in the sand would be, if he's firing up while or immediately before driving, ID call the cops. Just the same as if he was drinking.
Outside of that, ID mind my own damn business.
Aloha_Shooter
03-14-2016, 09:02
I always preferred social means to combat social issues. Get pictures of him toking behind the wheel, maybe even a picture of him driving off if you can get it close enough to the time you have a pciture of him smoking. If you don't have a close-up showing it's a blunt, just show him in the act of smoking and give a copy to his parents expressing concern that he's smoking cigarettes while underage (because you know, tobacco is evil and MJ is okay) ...
If you DO have a close-up showing it's not a cigarette, then provide the picture of the MJ and him driving off soon after and express concern that he's driving around the neighborhood while impaired. If you wanted to be a real dick, create a throwaway Google account and upload the pictures to Google Earth with a title like "Toking and driving".
As far as the posters say "mind your own damn business", it IS the OP's business if the kid is driving impaired. My guess is he's smoking it in the car because he doesn't want the parents to know -- they may not know what the smell is (I still can't ID marijuana smoke even when someone points it out to me) -- but the legal and safety issue here is if the kid is driving while under the influence. The smell permeating the street is in the same ballpark as someone complaining about the smells from my grill or smoker.
Do you have the "NextDoor" app? It's an app that allows people in your neighborhood to have a bulletin board in essence. You might try that and post a "public concern". See if others share in your dismay and ask that they try to keep it a little more private. In my area, there was a topic recently started about kids throwing rocks at fences/cars. The mother chimed in and said she talked to her kid and he admitted to throwing the rocks but not purposely at cars (who knows as kids will be kids but he owned up to it). The mother said she addressed it and appreciated it being brought to her attention.
This may not change anything but it will allow you to politely ask if others share your concern and maybe create a little public pressure to have the parents correct it. I assume parents are around if teens are in an upscale area. I doubt the kids own the home. Calling the cops on something like this seems excessive and could create some bad mojo in the area. Weed is legal but I wish people would be a little more respectful about it. Sit in your garage and do it?
If he's smoking in his car, the consumption is not in public. Cops won't give a shit... Ask me how I know. I have pot head neighbors. I talked to them and they stopped doing it on their porch... Nothing has happened to my house and it's been two years.
Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.
Dui report him if he's driving stoned. Waste of time with anything else.
newracer
03-14-2016, 10:13
Go talk to them in person or do nothing.
If you say something, even nicely, he'll probably just drive to some park and smoke there. It won't fix the issue of using and driving, but then maybe at least you won't have to see it or smell it as much.
BushMasterBoy
03-14-2016, 10:21
If they smoke in the car and drive off, get the license plate & description, follow the car and call *CSP (*277). The Colorado State Patrol will definitely respond.
http://gazette.com/troopers-too-soon-to-tell-legal-pots-impact-on-colorado-roads/article/1572149
Jefe's AR
03-14-2016, 10:38
The car is the same as a dwelling in Colorado. You know they passed that in order to conceal your gun in your car, right? Unintended consequences?
You can now smoke MJ in your open garage, back deck, front porch, etc. The open garage door was challenged and the result was, wait for it, property owners property rights. Thats's a conservative value isn't it?
There are many smells I don't like yet they are perfectly legal. There are many things I don't like yet they are perfectly legal. I'm not going out to change that because I enjoy living in a free society that allows me to do things other's don't like and vice versa.
Freedom comes with some drawbacks. One of those is that people will do things you do not approve yet they're free to do it anyway. You're free to move. Move to another state where MJ is illegal, move to the country on many acres of land that you don't have to see or smell your neighbors. Free to move to the mountains were you don't have to see or smell anyone. Free to join them. I promise it won't kill you and you won't see dragons trying to kill you and you just might like it.
I'm pretty much a Guns, Drugs, and Gays kinda guy. I just like freedom and don't really care what other's do. I also realize I live in a society of many different people who will have different opinions, wants, and needs than I do. I may or may not like those opinions, wants, or needs, but I'll fight to the death to defend those freedoms. Then get on an internet forum and complain about it. Isn't freedom great?
We call the cops for a neighbor smoking weed? Really?
newracer
03-14-2016, 11:06
The car is the same as a dwelling in Colorado.
This is not true.
Wait till the next time he and his friends are good and stoned in the car.
You and a couple of buddies dress up in some surplus combat gear.
Bust them in the act with guns drawn.
Zip-tie and hood him and his buddies.
Transport them out East to some isolated field and turn them loose. Nekid.
They will have a good story to tell, and your neighborhood will be safe again.
Or this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv3BaERm1F0
cfortune
03-14-2016, 11:22
Play some spooky ghost noises or something every time he's out in his car. Eventually he will think the car is haunted and will stop doing his business in there.
The car is the same as a dwelling in Colorado. You know they passed that in order to conceal your gun in your car, right? completely wrong.
Just talk to the guy.. im sure if you were doing something he didnt like. You would appreciate him talking to you rather than calling the cops or homeowners association or some other government entity.
XC700116
03-14-2016, 12:16
The car is the same as a dwelling in Colorado. You know they passed that in order to conceal your gun in your car, right? Unintended consequences?
You can now smoke MJ in your open garage, back deck, front porch, etc. The open garage door was challenged and the result was, wait for it, property owners property rights. Thats's a conservative value isn't it?
There are many smells I don't like yet they are perfectly legal. There are many things I don't like yet they are perfectly legal. I'm not going out to change that because I enjoy living in a free society that allows me to do things other's don't like and vice versa.
Freedom comes with some drawbacks. One of those is that people will do things you do not approve yet they're free to do it anyway. You're free to move. Move to another state where MJ is illegal, move to the country on many acres of land that you don't have to see or smell your neighbors. Free to move to the mountains were you don't have to see or smell anyone. Free to join them. I promise it won't kill you and you won't see dragons trying to kill you and you just might like it.
I'm pretty much a Guns, Drugs, and Gays kinda guy. I just like freedom and don't really care what other's do. I also realize I live in a society of many different people who will have different opinions, wants, and needs than I do. I may or may not like those opinions, wants, or needs, but I'll fight to the death to defend those freedoms. Then get on an internet forum and complain about it. Isn't freedom great?
You're missing the most important part of that conservative principle, freedom comes with responsibility, and the responsibility here is NOT putting others in danger by exercising that freedom while driving and thereby putting uninvolved innocents in danger.
I have no problems with people smoking some or honestly doing any drugs they choose, as long as they deal with the responsibilities of those actions, not driving, any health issues that arise due to their uses, financial issues, etc.
Your freedom to be you includes my freedom to be free from you and the repercussions of your choices. When you decide your freedom Trump's mine, we have a problem, and I'll act to balance the scales.
RblDiver
03-14-2016, 12:35
I'd go with:
1. Talk to him. Tell him your concerns, ask if he can change his habits. If he refuses politely, either go to step 2 or accept it and move on. If he is rude, go to Step 2. If he's super horrible, just jump to step 3.
2. Talk to his parents/those at his house. Same thing, try to be reasonable, try to be polite, try not to be confrontational, but be firm. If they take care of the problem, great, if not, again based on everyone's reaction so far, consider if you want to go to Step 3.
3. Call the cops. Even if they end up not coming, I would think getting a record going of how many times this guy does it would be important. Worst case, you waste some time calling them, best case, perhaps they come and bust the guy.
Getting other neighbors involved would also be a good idea, or at least seeing if they have an issue with it too. If you're the only one in the neighborhood who is bothered by it, chances are that you wouldn't get any satisfactory resolution. If everyone else is opposed, strength in numbers.
(Last, slightly tongue-in-cheek: 4) Fire extinguisher. If a fight breaks out, the cops are more likely to come. Sure they'll probably arrest you for something much more serious than the guy, but hey, they'd at least be there!)
You have my sympathy. I hate the stench of weed, and ever since it was made legal, every concert we go to is pretty much tainted because of the assholes that think it's perfectly okay to light up inside the venue.
Your situation strikes me as one of those things that you'll have to put up with- or else handle it with some sort of cunning 'diplomacy'.
You'll know best what your relationship is with your neighbors. I had a Cold War going on with our previous next-door neighbors, because the guy was a complete dickhead who thought it was okay for his Bouvier to come and shit in our yard. I won't go into the whole sordid story, but suffice it to say that it was not pleasant. They moved, and we have some wonderful like-minded neighbors now that we get along with just fine. The neighbors living diagonally across the street are classed as "acquaintances"- we'd give them a jump if their battery was dead, and we wave to them if we pass them on the street, but they've never been invited over and I would not ask them to gather our mail.
In other words, proximity plays a large part in this. Is there a street between you, or is this a next-door neighbor that has a yard next to yours?
Are you comfortable in speaking with the parents? Or would you be more comfortable dealing with the smoker? Are you more comfortable with a direct confrontation, or a more passive role?
You could sit in a lawnchair on your property, aim a video camera at him, and listen to bagpipe music while he's out there in the car, smoking. You can't do anything with what he's doing, because it's legal....but the same could be said for you. It's all out in public. It doesn't make for good neighborly relations.
It may be that the kid and/or his parents don't realize it's obnoxious. It may be that they don't care. I think this is a situation were you need a bit more information before you can proceed.
Honestly, I don't think the police will be able to help with this situation. The Parker police take their jobs pretty seriously. What you COULD do is call the non-emergency number, and ask to speak with one of the officers about any recourse you may have. You never know.
Great-Kazoo
03-14-2016, 12:45
Just talk to the guy.. im sure if you were doing something he didnt like. You would appreciate him talking to you rather than calling the cops or homeowners association or some other government entity.
This should be the end of this discussion. Wouldn't you want the neighbor to talk with you before calling johnny law?
wctriumph
03-14-2016, 12:48
If you have concerns, just talk to your neighbors. Most people are usually polite and will try and understand your point if you are calm and reasonable about it. If someone is pushed, the first reaction is to push back. Be reasonable and don't make threats. If the kid is underage, talk to the parents about your concerns for neighborhood safety. If the kid is not a kid and of legal age, be nice and ask him and his friends to get stoned somewhere else and not near your home. Be respectful and tactful and not threatening. It has worked for me many times in the past and I only got tough with known drug dealers and they required force, neighbor support and calls to the police to get them out of the area. I was never bothered by any of them afterwords.
And on the good side, once the dealers were gone the drive bys stopped too.
You have my sympathy. I hate the stench of weed, and ever since it was made legal, every concert we go to is pretty much tainted because of the assholes that think it's perfectly okay to light up inside the venue.
Your situation strikes me as one of those things that you'll have to put up with- or else handle it with some sort of cunning 'diplomacy'.
You'll know best what your relationship is with your neighbors. I had a Cold War going on with our previous next-door neighbors, because the guy was a complete dickhead who thought it was okay for his Bouvier to come and shit in our yard. I won't go into the whole sordid story, but suffice it to say that it was not pleasant. They moved, and we have some wonderful like-minded neighbors now that we get along with just fine. The neighbors living diagonally across the street are classed as "acquaintances"- we'd give them a jump if their battery was dead, and we wave to them if we pass them on the street, but they've never been invited over and I would not ask them to gather our mail.
In other words, proximity plays a large part in this. Is there a street between you, or is this a next-door neighbor that has a yard next to yours?
Are you comfortable in speaking with the parents? Or would you be more comfortable dealing with the smoker? Are you more comfortable with a direct confrontation, or a more passive role?
You could sit in a lawnchair on your property, aim a video camera at him, and listen to bagpipe music while he's out there in the car, smoking. You can't do anything with what he's doing, because it's legal....but the same could be said for you. It's all out in public. It doesn't make for good neighborly relations.
It may be that the kid and/or his parents don't realize it's obnoxious. It may be that they don't care. I think this is a situation were you need a bit more information before you can proceed.
Honestly, I don't think the police will be able to help with this situation. The Parker police take their jobs pretty seriously. What you COULD do is call the non-emergency number, and ask to speak with one of the officers about any recourse you may have. You never know.
Sorry man but I only got a couple of sentences into your post before I had to say something... We quit going to concerts many years ago because of all the weed smoke. This was LONG before the legalization so you can't blame that. People always smoke weed at concerts so the laws really didn't affect that because in the eyes of the law it's been the same as far as smoking at concerts is concerned before and after. It's sad because my wife and I decided enough was enough and haven't been to a concert in probably ten years specifically because of that. I really can't see how the law change made it worse when it was bad enough before for us to decide to not go anymore.
Maybe that was just how I read that and not what you intended by the arrangement of words but I felt compelled to say something since some people are hell-bent on pointing out how the law changes are making things worse at every possible turn. Not saying you're one of those but that's how that read to me at least.
This should be the end of this discussion. Wouldn't you want the neighbor to talk with you before calling johnny law?
Bingo. Be an adult. A big part of being an adult is doing things you don't like sometimes and this seems one of those times. Cops are there to deal with real crime and not babysit or play arbitrator on cursory discussions that should take place w/o their presence.
You're not the neighbor, but maybe consider what approach would have worked best for you when you were an obnoxious teenager.
spqrzilla
03-14-2016, 13:02
The car is the same as a dwelling in Colorado. You know they passed that in order to conceal your gun in your car, right? Unintended consequences?
That's not true. I'm not sure why the "car is legally your home" stuff got started from but its never been true. It is not how you can carry a loaded pistol in your car - there is a specific statute.
If you have concerns, just talk to your neighbors. Most people are usually polite and will try and understand your point if you are calm and reasonable about it. If someone is pushed, the first reaction is to push back. Be reasonable and don't make threats. If the kid is underage, talk to the parents about your concerns for neighborhood safety. If the kid is not a kid and of legal age, be nice and ask him and his friends to get stoned somewhere else and not near your home. Be respectful and tactful and not threatening. It has worked for me many times in the past and I only got tough with known drug dealers and they required force, neighbor support and calls to the police to get them out of the area. I was never bothered by any of them afterwords.
And on the good side, once the dealers were gone the drive bys stopped too.
This.
You could go say something like "Hey Bro, I respect your right to get high. Any way you could please keep it in the house, garage, or back yard? My kids are out here all the time and I'm trying to be a good dad by not exposing them to too much if this as such a young age. "
I bet he will be perfectly reasonable if you are. Or you could just be a dick right out of the box and immediately call the police and waste their time even though they have way bigger things to worry about.
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That's not true. I'm not sure why the "car is legally your home" stuff got started from but its never been true. It is not how you can carry a loaded pistol in your car - there is a specific statute.
Could you clarify? Almost sounds like you are saying it's not legal to have a loaded handgun in your auto.
hurley842002
03-14-2016, 13:37
Could you clarify? Almost sounds like you are saying it's not legal to have a loaded handgun in your auto.
There is a specific statute that covers loaded pistol in your car, not "the car is your domain" thing that many seem to think.
newracer
03-14-2016, 13:38
He is not saying that at all. He is just disputing the "car is an extension of your home."
spqrzilla
03-14-2016, 13:56
hurley and newracer, thanks.
There is a specific statute that covers loaded pistol in your car, not "the car is your domain" thing that many seem to think.
Any chance you have a quick link? I haven't followed close enough, but it used to be that the prohibition on loaded firearms in an auto was a hunting regulation that specified long guns only. And the car being an extension of home had to do with pemitless concealed carry. I used to have the hunting reg memorized but have fallen out of practice. I need to re-educate myself in any case.
http://www.lpdirect.net/casb/crs/18-12-105.html
C.R.S. 18-12-105(2)
newracer
03-14-2016, 14:16
18-12-105. Unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon - unlawful possession of weapons
(1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if such person knowingly and unlawfully:
(a) Carries a knife concealed on or about his or her person; or
(b) Carries a firearm concealed on or about his or her person; or
(c) Without legal authority, carries, brings, or has in such person's possession a firearm or any explosive, incendiary, or other dangerous device on the property of or within any building in which the chambers, galleries, or offices of the general assembly, or either house thereof, are located, or in which a legislative hearing or meeting is being or is to be conducted, or in which the official office of any member, officer, or employee of the general assembly is located.
(d) (Deleted by amendment, L. 93, p. 964, § 1, effective July 1, 1993.)
(2) It shall not be an offense if the defendant was:
(a) A person in his or her own dwelling or place of business or on property owned or under his or her control at the time of the act of carrying; or
(b) A person in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance who carries a weapon for lawful protection of such person's or another's person or property while traveling; or
(c) A person who, at the time of carrying a concealed weapon, held a valid written permit to carry a concealed weapon issued pursuant to section 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to its repeal, or, if the weapon involved was a handgun, held a valid permit to carry a concealed handgun or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to part 2 of this article; except that it shall be an offense under this section if the person was carrying a concealed handgun in violation of the provisions of section 18-12-214; or
(d) A peace officer, as described in section 16-2.5-101, C.R.S., when carrying a weapon in conformance with the policy of the employing agency as provided in section 16-2.5-101 (2), C.R.S.; or
(e) (Deleted by amendment, L. 2003, p. 1624, § 46, effective August 6, 2003.)
(f) A United States probation officer or a United States pretrial services officer while on duty and serving in the state of Colorado under the authority of rules and regulations promulgated by the judicial conference of the United States.
The only crime I see here is driving while under the influence; I would file a report with police because I have zero tolerance for that shit. As far as him smoking weed in public. If he smoked around kids or approached kids in the neighborhood, I would have a problem with that too, which would be the other reason I would file a police report. Otherwise, talking to the home owners about a dispute is usually the first step assuming he is actually violating an ordnance; I would find out what the ordnance is first. If he isn't violating any then you need to find ways of dealing with it. Disputes with neighbors can really suck. I have a coworker friend who still can't get his CCW because of a bogus restraining order put on him by his neighbor.
Thank you.
That covers concealed. And 33-6-125 covers the loaded question.
Jefe's AR
03-14-2016, 14:43
You're missing the most important part of that conservative principle, freedom comes with responsibility, and the responsibility here is NOT putting others in danger by exercising that freedom while driving and thereby putting uninvolved innocents in danger.
I have no problems with people smoking some or honestly doing any drugs they choose, as long as they deal with the responsibilities of those actions, not driving, any health issues that arise due to their uses, financial issues, etc.
Your freedom to be you includes my freedom to be free from you and the repercussions of your choices. When you decide your freedom Trump's mine, we have a problem, and I'll act to balance the scales.
I'm not missing any points. The OP is mostly upset that he can smell MJ. It also bothers him that neighborhood kids can also smell the MJ. He added the complaint that they sometimes drive off. We have no proof that the driver of that vehicle is in fact under the influence. 1. We don't know if the driver smoked MJ, a cig, a cigar, menthol plants, etc. or anything at all. 2. IF the driver consumed MJ it takes several minutes to a ½ for the effects to start. It's possible the driver hasn't begin to feel the effects before they leave and end at what ever location they're going to. IF the driver consumed MJ, did they consume enough to be legally charged with a DUI? Many folks can drink a beer or two and still be well within the legal driving limits. The real point here is the OP does not like the smell of MJ and he's upset that he has no real control over it. Many of us would feel the same way about this or other similar issues with neighbors. My neighbors just bought his and hers Harleys. My wife isn't too excited because they are noisy. She has to get up very early including weekends and she fears the exhaust noise at the wee hours during the weekends will wake her. Guess what? Not much she can do about it. Yet, she may be affected. You have rights, you don't have the right to not be offended and that's what this thread is really about. The 'safety' issue is just to prop his argument. "what about the kids!".
Jefe's AR
03-14-2016, 14:51
If you saw a neighbor drinking beer on his porch and then get in his car and drive on regular basis, would you confront him or call the police for a possible DUI?
Replace 'weed' with 'beer' and rethink your position/argument and what you would do. It should be exactly the same. What seems to be the problem is the OP's, and other's, irrational bias against MJ.
My wife hates the smell of the dairy when the wind blows westerly, should we call the cops?
ChadAmberg
03-14-2016, 15:04
For calling the cops, would this fall under the DUI rules, where if he has the keys on him and technically in control of the vehicle, he'd be charged?
If you saw a neighbor drinking beer on his porch and then get in his car and drive on regular basis, would you confront him or call the police for a possible DUI?
Replace 'weed' with 'beer' and rethink your position/argument and what you would do. It should be exactly the same. What seems to be the problem is the OP's, and other's, irrational bias against MJ.
My wife hates the smell of the dairy when the wind blows westerly, should we call the cops?
If I have reason to believe a person is driving impaired or is going to drive impaired, I will intervene in one way or another. The type of substance is irrelevant
For calling the cops, would this fall under the DUI rules, where if he has the keys on him and technically in control of the vehicle, he'd be charged?
It certainly could. You don't actually have to have the keys or be in a car to get a dui. I know several people who have a dui from a horse and booze
Great-Kazoo
03-14-2016, 16:21
Luckily, I don't have to really deal with it like this... not having neighbors right next to you is a good thing. I have my own but they are easy to resolve.
Definitely plenty of stoners in this forum. For the record, this site does not condone MJ abuse and it never will. Guns + weed are not a good combination any more than alcohol + guns.
No one is disputing that. yet no one seems to be saying or taking a stance against public displays of alcohol in the neighbors yard or street.
And no matter how much you like to toke up, nobody is obligated to breath your bullshit. If you want to do that to your body, do it at home.
It was
Light up anywhere in proximity of my house and you find out just how much of an asshole foxtrot really is. They do come in the area occasionally... it's a hill with a view of the city. But I keep a nice 300 yard bubble around me clear. I don't give a monkeys anus as to any arguments of legal, illegal, amendment 64, etc. I have my techniques for getting people gone, but they are not public forum material, not universal, and don't work with a neighbor.
ETA: For the record, Amendment 64 is an affirmative defense to Colorado law. Under federal law, of which almost all firearm regulation sources, MJ abuse is a controlled substance. Enforcement aside, discussion about MJ + guns is technically illegal - No one is condoning weed & guns OR using guns & weed OR booze at the same time.
again, this site will never condone any "pro-weed-guns" discussions on this site. If you want to smoke at home, not my problem. PC principle doesn't run the site though, so I'm not obligated to listen to any of the stoned SJW.
I see the same issue with the OP's neighbor smoking dope out front as i do a neighbor OUTRAGED their neighbor has a gun. Even worse THEY SAW THE NEIGHBOR WITH A GUN, WHILE THEY WERE WAITING FOR THE KIDS TO COME HOME FROM SCHOOL. [panic]
SAME FUCKING HYSTERIA OVER NOTHING, EXCEPT one's Personal Opinion of something they do not like.
At any rate, the kid seems to be of about highschool maybe college aged
I don't have fancy cars or a fancy house but if I had neighbor kids that smoked weed, I'd be thinking of how they'd view my actions against them before I go poking a hornets nest.
Great-Kazoo
03-14-2016, 17:42
A gun forum is no place to advocate the abuse of MJ or any other substance.
I as others, agree on that.
Which means IMO, as i'm sure you would agree. This thread has run it's course and should be locked.
hurley842002
03-14-2016, 18:15
IBTL !!!
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Luckily, I don't have to really deal with it like this... not having neighbors right next to you is a good thing. I have my own but they are easy to resolve.
Definitely plenty of stoners in this forum. For the record, this site does not condone MJ abuse and it never will. Guns + weed are not a good combination any more than alcohol + guns.
And no matter how much you like to toke up, nobody is obligated to breath your bullshit. If you want to do that to your body, do it at home.
Light up anywhere in proximity of my house and you find out just how much of an asshole foxtrot really is. They do come in the area occasionally... it's a hill with a view of the city. But I keep a nice 300 yard bubble around me clear. I don't give a monkeys anus as to any arguments of legal, illegal, amendment 64, etc. I have my techniques for getting people gone, but they are not public forum material, not universal, and don't work with a neighbor.
ETA: For the record, Amendment 64 is an affirmative defense to Colorado law. Under federal law, of which almost all firearm regulation sources, MJ abuse is a controlled substance. Enforcement aside, discussion about MJ + guns is technically illegal - again, this site will never condone any "pro-weed-guns" discussions on this site. If you want to smoke at home, not my problem. PC principle doesn't run the site though, so I'm not obligated to listen to any of the stoned SJW.
This is a gun forum. I'd need more than two hands to count the number of people advocating OP to toke up. The whole alcohol thing is a straw-man. I'd be no more pleased if you had 50% of posters advocating someone to get drunk off their ass in reaction to being offended at a DUI.
The OP described the person getting high and driving. Which is illegal in Colorado (and should be). A good friend of mine had his ranger career terminated by a driving stoner... driving over 100MPH on the interstate when they rear ended Dan on his motorcycle. Broke just about every damn bone in his body, the only thing that saved him was the fact that an ambulance was chasing the stoned idiots trying to get LEO to pull them over. (response time = 0 seconds, helps to save lives...) I've seen MJ related sucides and it's assisting in making our State a shithole, I am not obligated to let it be endorsed on a GUN FORUM. It is not harmless. If you want to do that shit to yourself, do it inside your own home. A gun forum is no place to advocate the abuse of MJ or any other substance.
Hopefully that makes my position clear.
Did you make either of these posts with a straight face?
spqrzilla
03-14-2016, 18:28
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03-14-2016, 18:57
Well, it appears some posting here do need to smoke some weed and chillax a little.
I dislike the idea where someone can't enjoy something legally at home w/o nosey neighbors thinking they need to call the cops.
Would you feel compelled to call the cops if a neighbor smoked cigarettes outside? Why not? Your kids shouldn't do that either & as far as the law is concerned their basically the same. You wouldn't call the cops for that so not sure why you feel the need to call for weed either.
Starting a war with a neighbor over something so petty is an even worse idea. What if he sees YOU do something he doesn't approve of that is legal & calls the cops on you? Imagine loading firearms into a vehicle or something like that & next thing you know you're being ordered to the ground at gunpoint over it because nosey neighbor disapproved of what you were doing & called the cops even if it was legal.
If someone is actively breaking the law for a fact & lives are in immediate danger as a result, call. Otherwise put on your big boy pants & talk to them yourself if it's so important to you. Better yet, realize that the reason you're struggling with what to do is because you know deep down it's petty & if you raise your kids properly it won't matter what your neighbors do. Sounds like a teaching moment & a great example of teaching right from wrong. Stop expecting society to impress morals upon your children with laws or police intervention when it's your job as a parent.
If this reads harsh then good because I can't believe some of the Liberty crushing bullshit I'm reading in this thread from adults. You all want people to not look at guns with a negative view because they're legal & then in the same breath do the same to others. Freedom applies across the board whether you personally agree or not.
If the worst thing you ever have to deal with is a neighbor smoking a joint quietly & peacefully in his car in the driveway then consider yourself lucky & move on w/life.
What a worthless thread.
IBTL indeed.
hghclsswhitetrsh
03-14-2016, 19:33
Well said Jer.
And for the forum I do not partake in marijuana consumption. When the neighbors are taking rips off of their bongzilla I just close my windows.
jerrymrc
03-14-2016, 19:50
As others have said this has run its course. Not for me or others to judge one way or another. Just like many other subjects that get peoples panties in a twist it is a law and here in the state of Colorado and it is legal. [Flower][beatdeadhorse]
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