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I will make it no secret my hate for the breed even before this happened. My step son is an idiot. He knew this was not a good dog. 52 stitches. Thankfully will not need stitches and his eye will be fine.
http://i.imgur.com/HtJDSqU.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/SAxHsup.jpg?1
I am glad the boy will be fine and his eye is intact.
IMO; There are bad animals just as there are bad people. Most bad animals are made bad by bad people. Good people need to step up and put the bad people down.
Lot's of damaged pitt bulls out there that shouldn't be around kids.
An acquaintance recently showed us similar, but less severe, injuries on her grand daughter. The next day when everything had calmed down and the police came to talk to the little girl to ask what happened, she told the police, "I bite doggy nose, doggy bite me."
Hope he heals up quick and as completely as possible. Sorry that little guy had to go through this. IBTL.
jerrymrc
03-14-2016, 19:57
I feel for ya. The boy is going to need some work.[Angel3]
SouthPaw
03-14-2016, 20:01
I have three dogs; two labs and a pitbull. It doesn't matter the breed but how they were raised. I'm not a "proud pitbull owner look at me" type but I do believe they are just like any other animal. They need to be trained and watched all the time. Our dogs have been trained that their mouths are only for eating and drinking water. They have also been trained that if they do not like something they walk away outside our go to their kennel. Even then, they are still an animal and capable of things like this. The breed is not to blame and I hope that little guy has a speedy recovery and receives lots of love along the way.
Yeah.. I wouldn't get one. I've seen super nice ones that were big babies and wouldn't hurt a fly. Then I've seen rather mean ones... Then there are the ones you hear about that are perfectly fine, then one day snap.
Its not that they are the most aggressive breed out there. Small breeds bite more than the large breeds...The difference is a small dog won't rip your kids face off like a pitbull.
I have three dogs; two labs and a pitbull. It doesn't matter the breed but how they were raised. I'm not a "proud pitbull owner look at me" type but I do believe they are just like any other animal. They need to be trained and watched all the time. Our dogs have been trained that their mouths are only for eating and drinking water. They have also been trained that if they do not like something they walk away outside our go to their kennel. Even then, they are still an animal and capable of things like this. The breed is not to blame and I hope that little guy has a speedy recovery and receives lots of love along the way.
I am sure there are many pitbulls who go through life without harming a soul, but do you really want to roll the dice especially if you have kids? Not me.
Pitbulls = the Muslims of the dog world. [dig]
gnihcraes
03-14-2016, 20:16
Dang, hope for the best for everyone involved.
Sorry OP. Hope he makes a full recovery.
I am sure there are many pitbulls who go through life without harming a soul, but do you really want to roll the dice especially if you have kids? Not me.
Bingo.. I don't think they are prone to attack any more than a chihuahua. Its the fact that they do SO MUCH DAMAGE when they do.
Ouch!! Hope the little guy heals and is not scare of dogs.
Even then, they are still an animal and capable of things like this.
Agree! I enjoy my two dachshunds but at the end of the day they are still pets. I never looked at them as family. Maybe it's because I never had pets growing up. I can't imagine how much some pet owners spend on their fur balls.
I assume they are putting the dog down?
I assume they are putting the dog down?
Yeah it is in quarantine for now.
gnihcraes
03-14-2016, 20:52
Our son was 6-8 months old, he got tangled up with our large male cat. Got a few huge bite holes in his head. Obviously once you hit the ER with this type of injury, quarantine.
Kid or Cats, something had to go. Cats lost. (donated, unknown if they were adoptable)
So it can happen with the cats too.
Zundfolge
03-14-2016, 20:59
As long as you're not advocating for the jack boot of the state deciding what kind of dog I can own I can see your concern (not that I'd own a pit bull anyway, I'm much happier with my English Shepherds).
Just strikes me too much like...
I am sure there are many gun owners who go through life without harming a soul, but do you really want to roll the dice especially if you have kids? Not me.
If I were an anti lurking here I'd be glad to quote this all over ... the bard's "hoisted upon their own petard" comes to mind.
Hope the little guy recovers quickly and fully though.
All the best for the little guy.
ColoradoTJ
03-14-2016, 21:10
Sorry to hear about this OP. May the little man heal up quickly.
I am no fan of any of the like bread. My brother and I had a run in with one when we were young one Thanksgiving morning. We were out front playing in our yard before morning church services and one of the local Pit Bull dogs came out of nowhere and lunged at my brother. I hit the dog and ran inside with my brother. We spent the day inside due to the dog not letting anyone out of the house. The dog had killed our neighbor dog, trapped us inside and my mom didn't want my dad to use the shotgun. Long day for sure.
We we also no longer own Rottweiler breads either since having children. People were afraid of our dogs, and they had every right to be. Nice dogs if I was in the same room with you. Not so much if I wasn't. My Rotts didn't really listen to my wife, more so tolerated since I had them before we met. One of our mutual friends had Rotts and I seen first hand what damage they could do in a very short time to each other.
It's the stupid ass owners not being responsible to the breed. I have had a lot of experience with pits, rotts and othe " aggressive breeds" and have never had an incident. Pits are great dogs but need extra work to get them there.
Glad the kiddo is ok but what was the situation that caused this incident?
Bailey Guns
03-14-2016, 21:12
Damn. That sucks. For the kid, the family and the dog.
Double00
03-14-2016, 21:25
Prayers for a quick recovery. It's my opinion that there are no bad dogs only bad owners. Still I would not own a pit. I'll keep my Bassett hound thanks.
It's the stupid ass owners not being responsible to the breed. I have had a lot of experience with pits, rotts and othe " aggressive breeds" and have never had an incident. Pits are great dogs but need extra work to get them there.
So like 1911's?
ruthabagah
03-14-2016, 22:01
Praying for a quick recovery.
I have been around large dog all my life (german shepperd, malinois, shnauzer, boxers) even got mauled by a malinois when i was 9, and i will never let a pitbull come near me.... they are unpredictable timebomb.
colorider
03-14-2016, 22:08
So so sorry for your stepson. No child should have to go through that. Or an adult for that matter. Without knowing the situation, no comment from me about why the boy or the dog were allowed to be together. Dogs, cats, any domestic animal is just that. They are still animals and NOT furry little people. They can bite and do a lot of damage. I have a beagle that is the snuggle bug and sweet as can be. She bit me last year and I took 15 stitches to the face. With that said, it is by the grace of my wife and the fact she had just lost her mother that the dog did not leave this earth that night. The beagle is still with us, but the rules of the house have changed.
Just to let the jury know, she was sleeping next to me and our other beagle jumped on the bed. She turned, and bit and caught my lip instead of the other beagles foot. Lesson learned, no dogs allowed on bed and NO getting faces in front of the dog. . I have been bit so many times now by customer's dogs that I can tell you, some dogs can and will bite no matter how cute, calm, or how good the owner says the dog is. Big, small, and medium dogs have chomped at me. My neighbors have a little boy that spent 5 days in the hospital from a cat scratch. Remember, they are animals.
So like 1911's?
It depends, does the 1911 have MIM parts [Coffee]
Sorry to here about the little guy and hopefully he heals up fast. As far as the pit bull argument, I was raised around a few pits that dad had as well as quite a few cattle dogs. More bites and fights were caused by the cattle dogs, the old pit would just sit there and babysit me. Just an observation but if you replaced the word pit bull with the word gun owner in this thread, you would have every anti-gun persons argument right here.
Oh, wow- that poor little guy! I'll echo the sentiment that he heals quickly and isn't afraid of dogs.
I love animals, but they can be so unpredictable sometimes. I've been bitten by so many species of critter that I should be as twitchy as anything when I'm near them, but I also understand that they're animals. A little guy like that hasn't got that experience yet.
Oh, wow- that poor little guy! I'll echo the sentiment that he heals quickly and isn't afraid of dogs.
I love animals, but they can be so unpredictable sometimes. I've been bitten by so many species of critter that I should be as twitchy as anything when I'm near them, but I also understand that they're animals. A little guy like that hasn't got that experience yet.
Well Put!
My sympathies for him, I hope he heals well physically and emotionally. But don't call him an idiot, he's just a little boy, and they all love dogs.
My sympathies for him, I hope he heals well physically and emotionally. But don't call him an idiot, he's just a little boy, and they all love dogs.
Not it sure if your referencing my comment but my "Stupidass owners" comment was directed towards the dog owners and not the boy, that's all on the parents.
Oh, wow- that poor little guy! I'll echo the sentiment that he heals quickly and isn't afraid of dogs.
I love animals, but they can be so unpredictable sometimes. I've been bitten by so many species of critter that I should be as twitchy as anything when I'm near them, but I also understand that they're animals. A little guy like that hasn't got that experience yet.
I agree there are bad apples in all breeds. Problem is when most dogs are done with a situation they may do a quick bite but these dogs latch on and do serious damage.
Not it sure if your referencing my comment but my "Stupidass owners" comment was directed towards the dog owners and not the boy, that's all on the parents.
No, the "my stepson is an idiot" comment. I assumed that meant the little boy that got bit.
I think the kid pictured is the grand baby.
Pitbulls = the Muslims of the dog world. [dig]
I'm stealing this.
Because we all know how much the mohammedan love canines?
I think the kid pictured is the grand baby.
You're probably right, and I'm the idiot.....
But Jesus, that's gonna leave a mark or three.
My step son is an idiot.
With this fact known I still don't know why people blame the breed. I guess they should have a nice Cocker Spaniel?
Great-Kazoo
03-15-2016, 10:21
With this fact known I still don't know why people blame the breed. I guess they should have a nice Cocker Spaniel?
It's the Deed, Not the Breed.
I am going to come down on the other side of this. I grew up in a house full of Dobermans (my mom was a highly respected breeder), and 100% of the time, if someone got snapped at or bitten, it was because they had antagonized or provoked the response. Pits were bred for aggressiveness, and do require a strong "alpha" in their pack, but IF they are properly disciplined, loved, and cared for are no more likely to snap than any other breed. It is the responsibility of the owner to adequately train their animal, and ensure that situations like this do not arise. I hope the little one recovers fully, and am saddened that the dog will probably die because the owner is a moron.
Doesn't sound like it's the dog's fault. Sounds like your stepson is an idiot. If it was 'known' the dog wasn't good to have around kids... whyTF was it around a child unattended. ANY DOG should be watched around kids.. because kids are kids.. they lack the understanding.
I have a pit.. I know many people who have them, I've only met one that was aggressive and that was towards a certain breed of dog, not other pits. the first time mine met a toddler he hid between my legs.. it took him hours to even go near the kids.. then it was a lick fest. I wasn't worried about my dogs behavior as much as the kids who had never been around a larger dog.
You should learn to hate stupid people more than dogs.. they truly are a product of their environment.
Sorry for the kid.. I really am.. I'm sorry it was a pit, since you already hate the breed. They're not bad dogs.
SouthPaw
03-15-2016, 11:01
http://kdvr.com/2016/03/14/7-year-old-boy-hospitalized-after-dog-attack-in-greeley/
With this fact known I still don't know why people blame the breed. I guess they should have a nice Cocker Spaniel?
Funny we have a case at the office where a Cocker tore up an infant.. Strange that never made the news.
colorider
03-15-2016, 11:17
If you own a dog that bites or is aggressive, you don't own a pet. You own a liability.
Some breeds attract bad owners. Then the breed gets blamed for the outcome. That's the problem.
That said, any child should be carefully supervised around ANY dog until they are old and experienced enough to know when they're stressing the dog and should leave it alone.
No breed is "safe" around an antagonizing child (not saying the child was antagonizing in this case, I'm only speaking in general).
O2
SouthPaw
03-15-2016, 11:38
If you own a dog that bites or is aggressive, you don't own a pet. You own a liability.
If you own a dog that bites or is aggressive, you don't own a pet. You own a liability.
Perfect example. Before my sister had her first child, they decided to get rid of my brother in laws blue heeler. She was nippy, unpredictable and only listened to him. She was fine if he was in the room but the second she realized he was not there, all bets were off and there was not telling what she would do. She would let you pet her, hold her, etc as long as he was in the room. They decided to give her up to a rescue before he was born because she was a liability.
Your step son knew this was a bad dog whether it was his fault from being raised that way or just a bad dog. That little guy should have never been in a situation where he was able to do that to his face. My friends pit attacked his niece a few years ago and was put down. She tried to put a barbie where the sun doesn't shine while he was sleeping. Being an exit only, the dog jumped up and turned and snapped once. Immediately he retreated to the corner and put his tail between his legs realizing what he had done. Is that the dogs fault or the child's? The child was obviously not taught to respect animals. Unfortunately she learned a very hard lesson and the dog paid the ultimate price because he was put down. Not saying this was your case but your step son might have been able to prevent this.
All of our dogs are taught to either go outside through the doggy door or to their kennels if they are uncomfortable. My nephews have also been told that once they are in their kennels, they are to be left alone. My liberal Aunt hates my pit because 'he looks scary.' She also thinks owning firearms is a complete liability. My point is, the breed is not to blame and that is a very liberal way of thinking. The blame all gun owners for some crazy that shoots up a mall with an assault rifle.
...then it was a lick fest.
Yhea, the last Rottweiler I met nearly killed me by drowning.
O2
With this fact known I still don't know why people blame the breed. I guess they should have a nice Cocker Spaniel?
He is an idiot for owning an aggressive dog. Of course the same old arguments came into play. He is part of the family so he would never hurt the kids and it's the owner not the breed my dog knows better.
Funny we have a case at the office where a Cocker tore up an infant.. Strange that never made the news.
That was my point. Idiot + dog = dangerous for everyone. Note that I did not say what breed the dog was because it doesn't matter other than terms of potential for damage due to size/strength.
It's too bad so many drains on society feel the need to own Pitbulls because it really does give the breed a terrible name.
Funny we have a case at the office where a Cocker tore up an infant.. Strange that never made the news.
Cocker Spaniels are right up there with snappish dogs. A long time ago, I used to groom dogs. Cockers were overbred and always seemed to have some sort of temperment problem. More often than not, the dog would fly into what we called a "Cocker rage," suddenly snapping and flinging teeth everywhere. The owners seemed to be oblivious to this, because their little dogs were cute. I recall one instance where a woman brought her cocker and her little boy into the shop, and while she was checking the dog in the cocker suddenly whipped around and bit the daylights out of the little boy. The mother proceeded to yell at the little boy instead of the dog. It was awful.
I've also groomed very nice cockers. I'm not bashing the breed. I think because the owners are blind to the bad behavior of cute dogs, they simply expect others to excuse the nips and snaps as well.
ColoradoTJ
03-15-2016, 12:36
I like statistics in almost any situation. For example, the Fiat 500 pretty much has the worst reliability of any new car on the road today. Knowing that, would you buy the car? Probably not. To play a little devils advocate, I still see people buying these cars. Either these people don't care being inconvienenced with breakdowns or just impulse buy/no research before purchasing. This, in my opinion is most of the issue with the topic in discussion.
Anyone on here CC and depend on a HI-Point pistol? Know any police departments that issue them? Wonder why? Probably the same logic and reliability that these cheap pistols suck ass.
I would use the same logic when picking a dog. (Needs, wants, environment, research)
I'm going to eat some of my words from the past, and state that I have met and watched some really nice Pitbull Terriers since some of my friends deploy on rather short notice. One dog in perticular, I would own if asked. My wife would veto that and it would be WWIII in my household.
So I moved from CA in 97' to get away from all the BS from that state and moved to Pueblo West, CO. Quickly I found out how I didn't improve my situation much moving to this area. I worked odd hours and needed something to protect or warn off intruders. I did a lot of research, had a buddy that bread Rottweilers. I chose a Rott male puppy and went to work training him. He was the best dog I ever owned. He hardly ever barked (kind of scary that he didn't), protected my property 2 times that I could verify, He was just awesome. Would I pick this exact dog today? In short, no I wouldn't. This perticular bread needs a lot of time and energy that I no longer have, very smart to a fault, and without the proper time spent each day can lead to problems. Instead of spending evenings training dogs, I now do math and spelling homework with my kids. I was actually a reponsible owner, had specific home owners insurance, heavy duty chain link fence installed around my property so there was no "oops, he got out" issues.
This is where I believe the problem lies. Rotts, Pits, German Shepherd, Siberian Husky, Akita..etc are easy to get and without any training to the owners beforehand. The puppies are "cute", owners do not have adequate time, dogs are locked up all day....etc and then disaster happens and we just blame the breed. Now are there dog breeds out there that have better track records? There sure is and I suggest people consider this when picking a dog that has young kids in the household.
http://dogs.petbreeds.com/stories/4046/dog-breeds-attack#35-pit-bull
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics.php
http://www.safetyarounddogs.org/statistics.html
Why not pick from these lists:
http://dogtime.com/dog-health/general/4318-kid-friendly-dogs-list
http://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/best-family-dogs/
I just need a dog to warn me when danger is near. After that, I can choose to engage the threat or not.
HoneyBadger
03-15-2016, 12:45
I am going to come down on the other side of this. I grew up in a house full of Dobermans (my mom was a highly respected breeder), and 100% of the time, if someone got snapped at or bitten, it was because they had antagonized or provoked the response. Pits were bred for aggressiveness, and do require a strong "alpha" in their pack, but IF they are properly disciplined, loved, and cared for are no more likely to snap than any other breed. It is the responsibility of the owner to adequately train their animal, and ensure that situations like this do not arise. I hope the little one recovers fully, and am saddened that the dog will probably die because the owner is a moron.
+1
Doesn't sound like it's the dog's fault. Sounds like your stepson is an idiot. If it was 'known' the dog wasn't good to have around kids... whyTF was it around a child unattended. ANY DOG should be watched around kids.. because kids are kids.. they lack the understanding.
I have a pit.. I know many people who have them, I've only met one that was aggressive and that was towards a certain breed of dog, not other pits. the first time mine met a toddler he hid between my legs.. it took him hours to even go near the kids.. then it was a lick fest. I wasn't worried about my dogs behavior as much as the kids who had never been around a larger dog.
You should learn to hate stupid people more than dogs.. they truly are a product of their environment.
Sorry for the kid.. I really am.. I'm sorry it was a pit, since you already hate the breed. They're not bad dogs.
+1
Any dog that is not trained and treated with respect can be dangerous. Any person that is not trained and treated with respect can be dangerous. If you raise your dog child to be a thug, you shouldn't be surprised when they act like one. On the flip side, children must be taught the appropriate way to interact with animals. Walking up to a strange dog and grabbing/poking/hitting it is a good way to earn yourself a bite from a scared animal.
I like statistics in almost any situation. For example, the Fiat 500 pretty much has the worst reliability of any new car on the road today. Knowing that, would you buy the car? Probably not. To play a little devils advocate, I still see people buying these cars. Either these people don't care being inconvienenced with breakdowns or just impulse buy/no research before purchasing. This, in my opinion is most of the issue with the topic in discussion.
Anyone on here CC and depend on a HI-Point pistol? Know any police departments that issue them? Wonder why? Probably the same logic and reliability that these cheap pistols suck ass.
I would use the same logic when picking a dog. (Needs, wants, environment, research)
I'm going to eat some of my words from the past, and state that I have met and watched some really nice Pitbull Terriers since some of my friends deploy on rather short notice. One dog in perticular, I would own if asked. My wife would veto that and it would be WWIII in my household.
So I moved from CA in 97' to get away from all the BS from that state and moved to Pueblo West, CO. Quickly I found out how I didn't improve my situation much moving to this area. I worked odd hours and needed something to protect or warn off intruders. I did a lot of research, had a buddy that bread Rottweilers. I chose a Rott male puppy and went to work training him. He was the best dog I ever owned. He hardly ever barked (kind of scary that he didn't), protected my property 2 times that I could verify, He was just awesome. Would I pick this exact dog today? In short, no I wouldn't. This perticular bread needs a lot of time and energy that I no longer have, very smart to a fault, and without the proper time spent each day can lead to problems. Instead of spending evenings training dogs, I now do math and spelling homework with my kids. I was actually a reponsible owner, had specific home owners insurance, heavy duty chain link fence installed around my property so there was no "oops, he got out" issues.
This is where I believe the problem lies. Rotts, Pits, German Shepherd, Siberian Husky, Akita..etc are easy to get and without any training to the owners beforehand. The puppies are "cute", owners do not have adequate time, dogs are locked up all day....etc and then disaster happens and we just blame the breed. Now are there dog breeds out there that have better track records? There sure is and I suggest people consider this when picking a dog that has young kids in the household.
http://dogs.petbreeds.com/stories/4046/dog-breeds-attack#35-pit-bull
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics.php
http://www.safetyarounddogs.org/statistics.html
Why not pick from these lists:
http://dogtime.com/dog-health/general/4318-kid-friendly-dogs-list
http://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/best-family-dogs/
I just need a dog to warn me when danger is near. After that, I can choose to engage the threat or not.
Quit it!
We don't cotton to no logic and reason round these parts when it comes to our dogs!
Pomeranian was one the best dogs I ever had.
ColoradoTJ
03-15-2016, 13:37
Quit it!
We don't cotton to no logic and reason round these parts when it comes to our dogs!
Pomeranian was one the best dogs I ever had.
Lol. I would think a good majority of people on this forum actually do. Gun owners are one of the best group of people I have ever met, second is Jeep/off-roading groups in my experiences.
Most at people would not leave a dog alone with a young child. Look at what happened with the Great Danes and a woman's children in ElPaso county not more than 2 weeks ago. She went to care for her employers dogs, left her kids alone with the Great Danes while attending to other stuff at the residence. Three of the four children were mauled bad.
I have two old Shepherd mix dogs that still do not get left alone with my kids. My kids are taught to respect animals, but kids are kids and I would not want a dog to suffer what my kids do to provoke an animal.
A smaller dog would be nice the next go around. One 60 lb and one lap dog.
Sparky.. is there anything that you may need from us for the kid?
alan0269
03-15-2016, 14:40
I hope the little guy doesn't have issues resulting from this long term - both physically and mentally.
Hopefully there are other dogs around that he can learn to not fear dogs, but rather learn to respect what they can do in an instant. The situation sucks for both the boy and the dog that they were put into a situation where this happened.
Great-Kazoo
03-15-2016, 15:27
Sparky.. is there anything that you may need from us for the kid?
The only response. Close this one up too.
beast556
03-15-2016, 16:06
I have to agree with the other members about bad owner. I have a pitbull and three kids, you have to be responsible. Sucks the dog will die because its owner is a peice of shit and irresponsible!!! Hope your son makes a full recovery with the least amount of pain.
Sparky.. is there anything that you may need from us for the kid?
Not right now but thanks for asking.
hurley842002
03-15-2016, 16:25
I feel terrible for the kiddo, I wish him a speedy recovery, and hope he hasn't been completely ruined by this when it comes to dogs.
funkymonkey1111
03-15-2016, 16:42
My step son is an idiot.
spot on.
Honey Badger282.8
03-15-2016, 18:31
I like statistics in almost any situation. For example, the Fiat 500 pretty much has the worst reliability of any new car on the road today. Knowing that, would you buy the car? Probably not. To play a little devils advocate, I still see people buying these cars. Either these people don't care being inconvienenced with breakdowns or just impulse buy/no research before purchasing. This, in my opinion is most of the issue with the topic in discussion.
Anyone on here CC and depend on a HI-Point pistol? Know any police departments that issue them? Wonder why? Probably the same logic and reliability that these cheap pistols suck ass.
I would use the same logic when picking a dog. (Needs, wants, environment, research)
I'm going to eat some of my words from the past, and state that I have met and watched some really nice Pitbull Terriers since some of my friends deploy on rather short notice. One dog in perticular, I would own if asked. My wife would veto that and it would be WWIII in my household.
So I moved from CA in 97' to get away from all the BS from that state and moved to Pueblo West, CO. Quickly I found out how I didn't improve my situation much moving to this area. I worked odd hours and needed something to protect or warn off intruders. I did a lot of research, had a buddy that bread Rottweilers. I chose a Rott male puppy and went to work training him. He was the best dog I ever owned. He hardly ever barked (kind of scary that he didn't), protected my property 2 times that I could verify, He was just awesome. Would I pick this exact dog today? In short, no I wouldn't. This perticular bread needs a lot of time and energy that I no longer have, very smart to a fault, and without the proper time spent each day can lead to problems. Instead of spending evenings training dogs, I now do math and spelling homework with my kids. I was actually a reponsible owner, had specific home owners insurance, heavy duty chain link fence installed around my property so there was no "oops, he got out" issues.
This is where I believe the problem lies. Rotts, Pits, German Shepherd, Siberian Husky, Akita..etc are easy to get and without any training to the owners beforehand. The puppies are "cute", owners do not have adequate time, dogs are locked up all day....etc and then disaster happens and we just blame the breed. Now are there dog breeds out there that have better track records? There sure is and I suggest people consider this when picking a dog that has young kids in the household.
http://dogs.petbreeds.com/stories/4046/dog-breeds-attack#35-pit-bull
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics.php
http://www.safetyarounddogs.org/statistics.html
Why not pick from these lists:
http://dogtime.com/dog-health/general/4318-kid-friendly-dogs-list
http://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/best-family-dogs/
I just need a dog to warn me when danger is near. After that, I can choose to engage the threat or not.
Just an FYI, dogsbite dot org is the dog version of the Brady center. A terrible site run by a woman who has a grudge against the breed and uses very faulty logic and less than reputable statistics.
ColoradoTJ
03-15-2016, 20:55
Just an FYI, dogsbite dot org is the dog version of the Brady center. A terrible site run by a woman who has a grudge against the breed and uses very faulty logic and less than reputable statistics.
This one isn't. Just read through all the 100+ years of deaths. Totally amazing to me on the age and what happened in the discription.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States
attn: media reports of fatal doc attacks.
A pretty humbling read.
SSChameleon
03-15-2016, 21:32
This one isn't. Just read through all the 100+ years of deaths. Totally amazing to me on the age and what happened in the discription.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States
attn: media reports of fatal doc attacks.
A pretty humbling read.
1987, the year of the pit bull.
But how many of those "stats" say how those dogs might have been provoked ( I saw one out of about 30 I looked at) or that the owner knew the dog was "aggressive" and didn't hold up to his responsibilities to keep that dog away from others. I saw a few that that dogs where chained up, sounds to me like a "you play stupid games" scenero. It's pretty simple if you have a dog you need to work with the dog, train the dog on how you want it to behave. Never take for granted any situation with a dog, that's the biggest responsibility of a dog owner. With that being said IMHO its the owners responsibility to know his dog and its history and to adjust accordingly. After all if you give a monkey a gun right?
*Disclamer: I like dogs and animals more than I like people (you guys are the exception [Coffee])
Fentonite
03-16-2016, 00:08
Sparky, I feel for the boy, that's a bad deal all around. I hope he does well.
But.... I remember more than once that you brought your son and your dogs to hang out in my back yard, with my Pit and my Rottweiler. They all played happily, right? I know this is an emotional time, but in fairness, you trusted my dogs enough to put your boy and your dogs in an enclosed area with them, several times. If you felt so strongly that they were so dangerous, you wouldn't have. Somewhere inside, you know they aren't all bad.
On a side note, I've practiced emergency medicine in several trauma centers for the last 12 years. I've seen and repaired about 600-700 dog bites, only two of which were from pitbulls, for what it's worth. One of those two was impressive, but not the worst I've seen.
The argument against certain breeds of dog is the same as against guns. "For the children!" It is often made by those in the emotional throws of a bad incident. In the wrong hands, an AR can do more damage than a Daisy Red Ryder, for sure. That argument has been widely used to try and ban the AR. But this whole forum, this community, is based on the right to own that rifle. In the right hands, an AR can also protect a home and family more effectively than a Daisy, and yet be a safe and worthwhile possession for the vast majority of gun owners, we all know that. Nobody here would advocate to ban the AR just because a small percentage of owners choose to own them irresponsibly. I think we can apply the same logic to most things, including cars, propane tanks, planes, and even dogs.
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