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Bailey Guns
03-26-2016, 08:32
When Mrs BG and I were looking for a house the main criteria was that we were going to buy a nice shop. If there was a house on the property that would be a bonus. Well, that didn't work out. We got the nice house but it had no shop. So the deal was we'd set aside some of the down payment money and I'd have one built.
So, this is it. 24'W x 36'L with the 24'W x 22'L roof extension/carport. I opted for a 16'W x 12'H overhead door and a man door in front, 2 windows on the right (east) side, 8'H x 8'W overhead door in the rear, wired, insulated, 4" concrete floor.
Here it is. As you can see, there's still a little work to do. They staked it out on Wed, utility locate Fri, materials delivered and start construction next Tues (Mar 29). More photos as the work progresses. Yes...I'm anxious for this to be completed.
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Looks awesome. Gambrel style roof?
Bailey Guns
03-26-2016, 09:00
Nah...it'll match the roofline of the house. Just like the shed in the background.
jerrymrc
03-26-2016, 11:22
My old garage was 24X36 and it was just the right size. In your case because of the tall wall might want to add 4 pads for a 4 post lift later? My guy was very accommodating and he added rebar and 3'X3' 6" pads for later. Can't wait to see it. [Beer]
You dog! You'd better bring photos of every step in the build! I dream of having a shop every day. EVERY day. Put in a 2-post lift too while you're at it.
Bailey Guns
03-26-2016, 14:37
Sorry to hijack Bailey, you sold yours, now I have to sell mine.
Don't be. Best of luck. One of the best things I ever did.
And I considered a lift. But I'm pretty much at my budget limit as it is. And I still need to add some additional lights and a propane heater.
Looks like a great place to build! 2 words to remember, drainage and drainage.
Bailey Guns
04-01-2016, 20:29
OK. We're at the end of week one. A few minor setbacks but they were quickly resolved and things are moving along nicely. The county building dept didn't want to approve the permit without a flood study because they said we were in a flood plain. We're not, documentation provided, permit promptly issued. The second issue is in the photos.
They used a lot fewer trusses than I thought they would. The ends are single but the interior trusses are doubled up with a 2x6. Not much worry about snow or wind loading so I guess it's typical construction for the area.
End of Week 1:
Staked out and squared up.
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Breaking ground.
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Breaking water pipe. It was a poly pipe direct from the well to an outdoor spigot. No tracer wire so it wasn't caught on the locate. Promptly fixed, not leaking.
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First materials delivery. Payment of $20k made. [panic] Total contract cost for this building was $25,905. I thought that was very reasonable.
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Poles set and braced.
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Trusses and roof purlins almost finished. Siding, roofing and trim delivered. Man door, windows and insulation delivered.
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/baileyguns/DSC_2176_zpsjzvvyyfd.jpg
View from above.
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It's coming along! Are you going to have a wood stove in there?
Bailey Guns
04-01-2016, 20:51
No, unfortunately. It jacks up our insurance rates or makes insurance difficult to get in this area. Gonna have to be propane...but that's OK. I know a guy.
When are you pouring concrete? Heated floors would be awesome in that but I'm sure that would have doubled the price... Awesome looking shop, got a buddie who built a shop and calles it gaurage-mahall.
Bailey Guns
04-08-2016, 17:29
Updated to show the progress. Passed final inspection with the county yesterday. Concrete should be here Mon or Tues next week. As soon as it sets the garage door guy will install the overhead doors and the electrician will do his thing...I'm guessing towards the end of next week. Once that's done I need to install a security door (I doubt that's necessary but I'm gonna do it anyway), paint the man door and move my stuff in.
End of Week 2:
Monday- Framed and starting on the metal trim.
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/baileyguns/Mon%202_zpsb1oc1d13.jpg
Tuesday- Windows and man-door framed and installed. Wall insulation and steel siding on three walls.
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Wednesday- Roof insulation and metal installed over the garage portion.
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Thursday- Roof, steel and trim completed.
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Friday- Gravel delivered, spread to depth and compacted inside garage, awaiting concrete on Monday. Parking area restored with gravel. Also, the all-important antique copper weather vane that's followed us from home to home for decades, sits proudly in it's new place.
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That's awesome! Looks great!
Great pictures, looks like a sweet location.
NICE work too! I am envious,.... If Bernie is elected can I have your place?
HoneyBadger
04-08-2016, 18:58
Looks wonderful, BG. That's a beautiful piece of property. Really makes Mrs. HB and I want to move to Idaho.
Grant H.
04-08-2016, 20:05
Looks really nice.
Hoping to be building in a few months.
Great-Kazoo
04-08-2016, 20:13
Updated to show the progress. Passed final inspection with the county yesterday. Concrete should be here Mon or Tues next week. As soon as it sets the garage door guy will install the overhead doors and the electrician will do his thing...I'm guessing towards the end of next week. Once that's done I need to install a security door (I doubt that's necessary but I'm gonna do it anyway), paint the man door and move my stuff in.
End of Week 2:
Monday- Framed and starting on the metal trim.
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/baileyguns/Mon%202_zpsb1oc1d13.jpg
Tuesday- Windows and man-door framed and installed. Wall insulation and steel siding on three walls.
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/baileyguns/Tues%205_zpsvtoq6ngd.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/baileyguns/Tues%202_zpshuxlaxax.jpg
Wednesday- Roof insulation and metal installed over the garage portion.
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/baileyguns/Wed%202_zpscqa53zmh.jpg
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/baileyguns/Wed%204_zpswha3zzol.jpg
Thursday- Roof, steel and trim completed.
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/baileyguns/DSC_2243_zpsyeifdf8l.jpg
Friday- Gravel delivered, spread to depth and compacted inside garage, awaiting concrete on Monday. Parking area restored with gravel. Also, the all-important antique copper weather vane that's followed us from home to home for decades, sits proudly in it's new place.
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/baileyguns/DSC_2245_zpsdcynviu9.jpg
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Looking good. We're (spouse & i) been researching that area. Your layout looks stunning.
Doesn't look big enough. Kinda like buying a safe, buy twice as large as you think you need.
[Coffee]
I'm looking for a space twice as large now.
Nice shop. Enjoy!
Wind load/snow load?
Bailey Guns
04-08-2016, 20:30
Really makes Mrs. HB and I want to move to Idaho.
NO Californians allowed, dude.
[Coffee]
Looking good. We're (spouse & i) been researching that area. Your layout looks stunning.
I can answer pretty much any questions you have. Every day of the week I drive all around the area on deliveries. I frequently go to all of the small towns in north central Idaho within 100 miles of Lewiston.
Bailey Guns
04-08-2016, 20:32
Doesn't look big enough. Kinda like buying a safe, buy twice as large as you think you need.
[Coffee]
I'm looking for a space twice as large now.
Unfortunately, bigger wasn't in the budget.
Unfortunately, bigger wasn't in the budget.
What if you sold all your tools and vehicles?
Too Gift of the Magi?
Bailey Guns
04-08-2016, 20:37
Then I wouldn't need to spend the money on a shop. I coulda spent it on guns.
Great-Kazoo
04-08-2016, 20:47
Unfortunately, bigger wasn't in the budget.
Everyone wants Bigger. Till the numbers / quotes come rolling in. Still looking at conex containers for other storage ideas.
HoneyBadger
04-08-2016, 22:37
NO Californians allowed, dude.
[Coffee]
But I'm NOT a Californian!!! [Neene3]
Maybe someday we'll be able to get there. Right now, we are job-dependent.
Holy shit, you're charging right along on that! Looking great!
Bailey Guns
04-09-2016, 10:42
But I'm NOT a Californian!!! [Neene3] .Sure...that's what they all say.
HoneyBadger
04-09-2016, 11:12
Sure...that's what they all say.
Anyone that actively denies being a Californian is probably alright...
It's the ones that are proud to be a Californian that you really need to watch out for! [panic]
Bailey Guns
04-13-2016, 21:23
Concrete today. Electrician will be doing the electrical inside the building on Fri and hooking up power late next week. Haven't heard from the overhead door guy yet. Almost done, though.
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I'm all jelly!!
Loosing my shop and finding something close is next to impossible.
Looks great
X2!
Now, is there tax benefits or something by going with a "pole barn" type structure? Sorry, never built a damn thing in my life, probably never will.
Bailey Guns
04-14-2016, 06:35
X2!
Now, is there tax benefits or something by going with a "pole barn" type structure? Sorry, never built a damn thing in my life, probably never will.
No tax benefits that I'm aware of but the permitting process is much easier and less stringent than a "stick built" structure like a house. This is the first building I've done, too. It's been quite an interesting learning process. I have to call the insurance company today to add the structure to the policy. I hope that's not an issue.
NO Californians allowed, dude.
If Amendment 69 passes here we'll be joining you though in the Boise area where there's a Hewlett Packard (now HPE) site. I was born in New Hampshire, "Live Free or Die" -- that good enough for the Idaho entrance exam? :)
Already floated the idea to the GF who is normally mortified of any change; she seems receptive, not that she wants to leave but that she fears the amendment more.
<hijack>If 69 passes I hope enough productive people flee the state that it completely and utterly implodes. That would warm the cockles of my heart.</hijack>
O2
Bailey Guns
04-16-2016, 15:48
Pretty much the last update. The building was wired and the overhead doors were installed this week. The only thing left is hooking up the power and I can't really take a picture of that. I'll be painting the doors green like the roof and trim to match the house. Now comes the fun part. Moving everything in. It'll be a bit because I need to seal the floor. Not sure what I'm gonna use just yet.
Overhead doors and electrical work done.
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Damn, that's nice!!!! Might consider, they probably have the perfect ceiling fan...... www.bigassfans.com (http://www.bigassfans.com)
Saved all those photos to a folder for future reference.
This looks awsome.
Question: The vertical beams were set unto the dirt? Were they encased in concrete?
Bailey Guns
04-16-2016, 16:44
This looks awsome.
Question: The vertical beams were set unto the dirt? Were they encased in concrete?
Yeah...they dug REALLY big holes. Not sure why they dug them so big. The holes were dug and several inches of gravel were placed in the bottom. A round, 12" diameter by 4" thick concrete block was placed on top of the gravel. The posts were then set on that concrete block and the hole was filled with concrete. The end result:
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/baileyguns/DSC_2174_zpsudgbuz19.jpg
Bailey Guns
04-16-2016, 16:46
Holy crap. Why does that pencil look so big in that picture?
hghclsswhitetrsh
04-16-2016, 17:17
Holy crap. Why does that pencil look so big in that picture?
That's what she said.
Sorry had to.
A round, 12" diameter by 4" thick concrete block was placed on top of the gravel. The posts were then set on that concrete block and the hole was filled with concrete.
That sounds like a great idea! Is that standard practice?
Bailey Guns
04-16-2016, 17:38
That sounds like a great idea! Is that standard practice?
[Dunno]
They said it was in this area. The gravel helps to keep the moisture away from the post and I guess the concrete block keeps the post off the gravel.
Bailey Guns
04-16-2016, 17:39
That's what she said.
Sorry had to.
Yeah. I thought the same thing!
[Dunno]
They said it was in this area. The gravel helps to keep the moisture away from the post and I guess the concrete block keeps the post off the gravel.
I was thinking the block was to keep the posts from settling/sinking.
I have seen rotting issues occur when people hold a post up off the ground and pour concrete around it. This method causes the concrete around the post to act as a bucket to trap and hold water against the portion of the post embedded in the concrete. There is no way to drain and dry the embedded post, so it rots. It would appear by adding the concrete block at the bottom of the hole you create a concrete cold joint that would likely enable the bottom of the bucket to drain and not trap water against the embedded post.
When doing fence posts you would generally put rock in the bottom of holes set the post on them a pour concrete around them. The post resting on the ground is less likely to rot off than it would if a concrete bucket is created. There is not down force on a fence post.
The bottom the your post having a big concrete base is necessary to resist down force as well as lateral wind loading and uplift. In a pole barn type building the only way to transfer all loading conditions to the ground is through the poles. The diameter is required to increase the surface area on the undisturbed soils around and under it.
Bailey Guns
04-16-2016, 20:16
That makes sense. Thanks.
Great-Kazoo
04-16-2016, 23:54
That sounds like a great idea! Is that standard practice?
Mine was done likr that
[Dunno]
They said it was in this area. The gravel helps to keep the moisture away from the post and I guess the concrete block keeps the post off the gravel.
Supposedly, even though the 6x's are pressure treated
Your new shop is amazing, and I'm so glad you shared the progress photos!
Grant H.
04-17-2016, 11:28
That turned out great.
Enjoy it.
gnihcraes
04-17-2016, 11:41
I'm looking at building a garage here in the city. Over 600 sqft and they want a complete monolithic slab foundation. Raises my costs significantly. Sucks. Wish I could just do the pole barn thing.
Looks great, i'm jealous.
Bailey Guns
04-17-2016, 12:02
I'm looking at building a garage here in the city. Over 600 sqft and they want a complete monolithic slab foundation. Raises my costs significantly. Sucks. Wish I could just do the pole barn thing.
Looks great, i'm jealous.
Sounds right. Conventional construction was pretty close to twice the amount this building cost and most of that was in concrete/foundation. Plus the insurance costs were higher. The pole building route only raised my insurance premiums by $.74 per month. 74 cents. Being the big spender I am I paid the entire $8 in additional yearly insurance premiums in a lump sum.
jerrymrc
04-17-2016, 12:13
I'm looking at building a garage here in the city. Over 600 sqft and they want a complete monolithic slab foundation. Raises my costs significantly. Sucks. Wish I could just do the pole barn thing.
Looks great, i'm jealous.
Even in the county because I am zoned RS5000 I could not do a pole barn. Would have been much cheaper. In the end I had quotes as high as $28K for my 18X28' with a 10' wall. No power or windows.
BTW if you are going to paint the floor do NOT let them seal it. I used Valspar.
Bailey Guns
04-17-2016, 14:40
Your new shop is amazing, and I'm so glad you shared the progress photos!
Thanks! It was fun watching the progress for me, too. I hope it inspires someone to finally get started on their own project. I was just lucky I sold a house so I had the money to do it.
Bailey Guns
08-06-2016, 14:12
I've been putting off painting the floor for months. I finally ran out of excuses.
I used the Rustoleum Pro Epoxy something-or-other. Prep was a PITA. The floor is 864 square feet. 1 kit (1 gallon activator, 1 gallon paint) is supposed to do 200 to 300 sq ft. I put it on as thick as it would spread and 1 kit did 2/3 of the floor. It covers well. Obviously I don't know yet how it's gonna hold up. The sprinkles don't go nearly as far as the paint, though. I'd certainly recommend it if anyone is considering painting a floor.
Takes a day or so to dry for walking, 3 to 4 days (just to be sure) for heavy traffic. I'll spend next weekend moving all my man-crap in there from the house garage.
BEFORE:
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AFTER:
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