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The Norseman
05-28-2016, 15:35
Home invasion in small town Colorado.
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20160526/NEWS01/160529706/0/FRONTPAGE/%E2%80%98Black-market-marijuana%E2%80%99-cash-found-in-slain-student%E2%80%99s-room (http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20160524/NEWS01/160529830/0/taxonomy/Police-say-marijuana-robbery-led-to-killing-of-Fort-Lewis-College-student)
trlcavscout
05-28-2016, 15:44
I know these happened before the legalization, but it seems more common now, maybe its because the sheriffs post them on their face book page or maybe it is just more common?
bobbyfairbanks
05-28-2016, 16:36
This is what prohibition gives us. People want it legalize it every where just like booze.
Saw an article just this week that pot related murder is up in Colorado. the legalization has increased the pot underworld not decreased it.
http://kdvr.com/2016/05/24/prosecutors-colorado-sees-increase-in-murders-motivated-by-marijuana/
kidicarus13
05-28-2016, 16:55
Anyone here expect something different? Marijuana legal = more deaths related to marijuana.
Zundfolge
05-28-2016, 17:00
This kinda smells like the antis complaints that where guns are legal there are more shootings.
There is a modicum of truth to Kellerman's lies ... a gun in the home does increase the chances of a shooting in the home in the same way that automobile accidents are more common in the US where everyone owns a car or two compared to someplace like North Korea where almost nobody owns a car.
The bigger negative consequence to Colorado's legalization is that it's attracted more Democrats to move here (which is why I voted against it).
But we have to be careful not to allow a bad argument to win that is parallel to a bad argument anti-gun folk use.
I don't think pot is good but freedom is more important.
EvilRhino
05-28-2016, 17:15
Damn Omish ruining things again
BushMasterBoy
05-28-2016, 17:48
Victim had 10 lbs of weed and a large amount of cash. Legally? I seriously doubt it...
[snip]
I don't think pot is good but freedom is more important.
I'm sensitive to this as well, but I recall the following litmus test...
The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins
If "legalization" doesn't impact me, fine. If "legalization" increases violence, starts a mass-migration of certain people into the state (as you noted), drives up the cost of living, and results in more statism to counter the consequences, then I have a problem.
Whenever I was presented with a petition for legalization over the years I always asked if welfare reform was part of the deal. Just as I don't want others paying my life decisions, I don't want to pay for their decisions (drug use among them). It never was and thus I never signed. That told me all I needed to know.
While defending a natural right to use drugs (hey, it's their body not mine) sounds good for liberty, in a state/country with hand-wringers lording over us, it will have unintended consequences. It's laughable how the Left creates these realities. We have had freedom taken from us in almost everyway but abortion, sex acts, and drug use are sacred. I just want to keep my damn paycheck!!! But that's not allowed because it takes a village. I've noticed people in the village have started to act very differently with the guarantee of a certain outcome.
So yes, we can smoke pot, but I might have to give up 10% more of my income if the potheads succeed in voting themselves single payer healthcare. How was freedom defended here?
/rant (not directed at you)
I think the solution is way less gov. Let God/natural consequence sort it out.
Let God/natural consequence sort it out.
But that's not fair. Things should be fair. It isn't right if the strong, resourceful, and ambitious people who work hard to make a good life for themselves have more stuff or nicer things or priveledges than their lazy, stupid counterparts.
[Sarcasm2]
Zund and Skip nail it. [Beer]
hurley842002
05-28-2016, 20:24
I'm sensitive to this as well, but I recall the following litmus test...
The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins
If "legalization" doesn't impact me, fine. If "legalization" increases violence, starts a mass-migration of certain people into the state (as you noted), drives up the cost of living, and results in more statism to counter the consequences, then I have a problem.
Whenever I was presented with a petition for legalization over the years I always asked if welfare reform was part of the deal. Just as I don't want others paying my life decisions, I don't want to pay for their decisions (drug use among them). It never was and thus I never signed. That told me all I needed to know.
While defending a natural right to use drugs (hey, it's their body not mine) sounds good for liberty, in a state/country with hand-wringers lording over us, it will have unintended consequences. It's laughable how the Left creates these realities. We have had freedom taken from us in almost everyway but abortion, sex acts, and drug use are sacred. I just want to keep my damn paycheck!!! But that's not allowed because it takes a village. I've noticed people in the village have started to act very differently with the guarantee of a certain outcome.
So yes, we can smoke pot, but I might have to give up 10% more of my income if the potheads succeed in voting themselves single payer healthcare. How was freedom defended here?
/rant (not directed at you)
I think the solution is way less gov. Let God/natural consequence sort it out.
Amen brother!
SideShow Bob
05-28-2016, 20:39
+1 to ya Skip.
There's a delegate balance. .
Would a delegate need to be 1/2 Dem & 1/2 Rep to balance ? [Tooth]
Victim had 10 lbs of weed and a large amount of cash. Legally? I seriously doubt it...
play with matches, get burned...
I'm pretty sure when we were debating making weed legal that I stated that the legalization would provide cover for the illegal weed market. If people skirted the law to grow and sell pot before it was legal, did we really expect them to pay taxes on it when it's legal and reduce their profit margins? Once the pot is in someone's possession, how is anyone to know if the product was obtained legally or not?
While I'm not in disagreement with the OP, a handful of cases doesn't even come close to outweighing the benefits. That will certainly be the state's view. I say "benefits" from the perspective of the state.
While I'm not in disagreement with the OP, a handful of cases doesn't even come close to outweighing the benefits. That will certainly be the state's view. I say "benefits" from the perspective of the state.
Let me know when you find a government that isn't a whore for tax revenue.
Aloha_Shooter
05-28-2016, 21:49
I was and still am firmly against legalization of marijuana but drugs inspired theft and murder and college students did stupid things long before Amendment 64 and will continue for years and decades to come.
And before legalization it was the government committing the home invasions....
And before legalization it was the government committing the home invasions....
Sometimes they both get the address wrong.
GilpinGuy
05-29-2016, 06:55
I'm sensitive to this as well, but I recall the following litmus test...
The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins
If "legalization" doesn't impact me, fine. If "legalization" increases violence, starts a mass-migration of certain people into the state (as you noted), drives up the cost of living, and results in more statism to counter the consequences, then I have a problem.
Whenever I was presented with a petition for legalization over the years I always asked if welfare reform was part of the deal. Just as I don't want others paying my life decisions, I don't want to pay for their decisions (drug use among them). It never was and thus I never signed. That told me all I needed to know.
While defending a natural right to use drugs (hey, it's their body not mine) sounds good for liberty, in a state/country with hand-wringers lording over us, it will have unintended consequences. It's laughable how the Left creates these realities. We have had freedom taken from us in almost everyway but abortion, sex acts, and drug use are sacred. I just want to keep my damn paycheck!!! But that's not allowed because it takes a village. I've noticed people in the village have started to act very differently with the guarantee of a certain outcome.
So yes, we can smoke pot, but I might have to give up 10% more of my income if the potheads succeed in voting themselves single payer healthcare. How was freedom defended here?
/rant (not directed at you)
I think the solution is way less gov. Let God/natural consequence sort it out.
If we had way less government than most of what you ranted about would be mute, so I agree bigtime.
But right now, government would have to outlaw it again like they used to here (aka "control people").
Letting God/natural law sort it out would mean letting people smoke weed at will. I understand that you want less gov't before this can happen, but where do you start with less government?
I'm actually on your side here. But we need to take one step at a time to more freedom.
Ok, so more assholes move here. Vote against shit you hate and move away like Bailey Guns did if things get too bad for you. My wife and I had this conversation last week. This is why I left the Empire State 24 years ago.
Things are moving in the wrong direction in many areas. Smoking a plant to get slow and stupid for a while is not on the top of my list of problems.
If some douche has 10 lbs. of illegal weed in his house and gets jacked, too bad so sad. Just like some douche that has 10 stolen guns and gets jacked. Fuck him.
But guns shouldn't be outlawed because some douches steal, sell and kill with illegal ones. That's kind of leftist thinking.
Let the flaming begin.
Weed is an inanimate object and is not "evil" in and of itself, just like guns.
The problem is not weed, it's stupid people. They will be stupid regardless of whether or not they smoke weed.
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But that's not fair. Things should be fair. It isn't right if the strong, resourceful, and ambitious people who work hard to make a good life for themselves have more stuff or nicer things or priveledges than their lazy, stupid counterparts.
[Sarcasm2]
I know, I know. Muh feels. :(
http://2new3.fjcdn.com/reaction_gifs/5903840+_15722a471d60380.gif
If we had way less government than most of what you ranted about would be mute, so I agree bigtime.
But right now, government would have to outlaw it again like they used to here (aka "control people").
Letting God/natural law sort it out would mean letting people smoke weed at will. I understand that you want less gov't before this can happen, but where do you start with less government?
I'm actually on your side here. But we need to take one step at a time to more freedom.
Ok, so more assholes move here. Vote against shit you hate and move away like Bailey Guns did if things get too bad for you. My wife and I had this conversation last week. This is why I left the Empire State 24 years ago.
Things are moving in the wrong direction in many areas. Smoking a plant to get slow and stupid for a while is not on the top of my list of problems.
If some douche has 10 lbs. of illegal weed in his house and gets jacked, too bad so sad. Just like some douche that has 10 stolen guns and gets jacked. Fuck him.
But guns shouldn't be outlawed because some douches steal, sell and kill with illegal ones. That's kind of leftist thinking.
Let the flaming begin.
The plant is not a problem, it's the consequences that come with massive gov. It's the Libtarded paradox of it's my body but I demand a big government take care of me which means taking control of the bodies of others.
If I own my body, I own my labor which is produced with my body. If I own my labor, I own the value exchanged for labor (pay). So how can the gov recognize a right to put substances in my body but not the right to own what is produced by my body? Do I own it or not?!?
A man who doesn't own his labor, doesn't own his body. We used to call that slavery. But maybe more like sharecropping since the gov takes only a share of income and retains ownership of the underlying asset? Hey, you didn't build that! So a recreational pot smoker can realize 100% ownership of himself by doing something that has potentially negative consequences in the status quo, but I can only realize 50-60% ownership (tax rates) by getting out of bed and going to work which always has positive consequences?Like foxtrot said, bread and circuses. The principles of liberty/freedom weren't behind legalization. I recognize some people who voted for 64 might have thought it was liberty/freedom. I get that. But the reality has been very different.
How do we start? I don't think small steps will work. Look at the ACA... Roll that sucker back and MSM is screaming about poor people without health insurance dying in the gutter. This is why the GOP didn't touch it after promising a repeal. I also recall the Libs screaming that a balanced Fed budget means we hate black people.
Voting isn't the solution. I would argue it hasn't been since Reagan. Some would counter with it hasn't been since 1913 (Federal Reserve, the reason we have Fed income taxes).
Violence isn't justified and whomever shoots first loses moral superiority.
The strategy we have left lies in the fact that we are the ones who create objective value. Every penny of debt, every unConstitutional law (or action), every tax, etc... all of it exists because we get up and go to work on Monday morning. We can bitch all we want (I certainly do). If we participate in the system as much as we hate it, we continue to give our consent. We make what they are doing sustainable because as long as we play their game, they are able to transfer negative consequences to us, while distributing the positive consequences we create back into their system.
ChadAmberg
05-29-2016, 12:59
Question: I remember before legalization, saw lots of news stories on meth houses and such. Since, not so much. So to the LEO community, has the meth problem subsided? Or is it just not sexy enough for the news to carry stories on it anymore?
SA Friday
05-29-2016, 14:21
Let me get this straight.... Guy has a large stash of marijuana and cash in Durango and these guys rob him. This is a MJ legalization issue how again? This same fucking article could have been written with the location to any other place in the USA and nobody here would bat an eye. Criminals have been hitting drug dealers forever all over the planet.
But this CLEARLY shows the legalizing pot is a problem...
[facepalm]
In 1985 Florida passed a conceal carry law and the fucking country was going to break out in gunfights.... Remember?
Prohibitions of items rarely works.
spqrzilla
05-29-2016, 15:15
Anecdotes suggest that Colorado has seen an increase in illegal growers/distributors using legal grow operations as cover. Hard to say if that can be proven.
There are some interesting parallels between the legally imported (taxed) tea brought to Boston vs the smuggled (non-taxed) Dutch tea imported into New York and Philadelphia, and the current issues involving legal (taxed) marijuana in Colorado and Washington vs illegal (non-taxed) marijuana throughout the rest of the country.
In the 1760's the tax went up or the tax went down, but the true issue was over the power of Parliament and whether it could directly tax British subjects in the colonies directly. Did the Parliament control the colonies to the extant that they could levy direct taxes?
Whether you consume mj or drink tea is not really the issue IMO. How much control is the government exercising over the population? Do we, the citizens believe that our elected representatives are responsive to us? What options do we have to change those answers?
To the OP's post and the robbery/homicide in Durango. Criminals steal stuff. Sometimes criminals get jumpy and shoot people. Sometimes people who get shot die. These are all tragic things but I hold out no hope that any of this will change in my lifetime or for the rest of history. I believe one of the lessons from the story is that if you have things in your possession that other people may want to take from you; you should arm yourself and be prepared to defend yourself.
Be safe.
Saying that 70% of the people you know who use mj live at home, you're being disingenuous and should reconsider your angle in the conversation. One could probably make that dame generalization about alcoholics, but not the average consumer of alcohol.
There are, always have been, and always will be a class of people who spend their money on their vices, and their effort on making money to spend on more vices.
Since Marijuana has just recently been legalized, people have not yet understood that the only users are no longer the dregs of society, even though that hasn't been the case for probably decades now. At some point, there will be an accepted division between users and abusers, but until then, to assume that a user is sitting in a basement instead of having a day job is missing the mark entirely.
+1 to Cstone and SAFriday.
Another way to look at this would be to say that Colorado cars so much about freedom that they willingly shouldered the burden of the initial transition while the rest of the country wakes up. No one can really say that though, because all that stuff in here about the government and taxes and tea is entirely true. Ha.
It might be your location as well. Also consider your interactions. You're more likely to hear stories about how drunk someone got when they are younger, with less responsibilities. I spent most of my money at the bar, and even lived with my parents a few times during my twenties, but that was more of a function of my development into a responsible adult rather than the fact that I was an alcohol user.
Now that I have my act together, I'm spending more on liquor than ever!
GilpinGuy
05-29-2016, 23:47
Now that I have my act together, I'm spending more on liquor than ever!
But probably drinking less. Appreciating quality...
GilpinGuy
05-30-2016, 01:48
It amazes me how some folks will fight for their own freedom and fight just as hard to deny others their own freedom.
They don't call it Dope because it helps you pass the SAT's.
If the legalization was truly about freedom then the State would have de-criminalized it and would not be using it as a source of meaningful tax wealth.
The same government that allowed the "legalization" of the happy leaf, banned you from owning 16 round magazines.
Colorado is for lack of a better term, retarded. Or maybe just high.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
bobbyfairbanks
05-30-2016, 07:22
Under that justification. Alcohol doesn't help you do anything and causes mass violense every Friday night down town. Ban it now to save every one.
Oh and Colorado was blue before dope was legal
Great-Kazoo
05-30-2016, 07:51
Question: I remember before legalization, saw lots of news stories on meth houses and such. Since, not so much. So to the LEO community, has the meth problem subsided? Or is it just not sexy enough for the news to carry stories on it anymore?
Let me get this straight.... Guy has a large stash of marijuana and cash in Durango and these guys rob him. This is a MJ legalization issue how again? This same fucking article could have been written with the location to any other place in the USA and nobody here would bat an eye. Criminals have been hitting drug dealers forever all over the planet.
But this CLEARLY shows the legalizing pot is a problem...
[facepalm]
In 1985 Florida passed a conceal carry law and the fucking country was going to break out in gunfights.... Remember?
Prohibitions of items rarely works.
If it Bleeds, It leads.
Just like a MASS or SCHOOL shooting. Which in both cases neither is the truth. 3 bangers engage in turf disputes, OR some jerkoff offs another jerkoff 2 blocks from campus.
Once the headlines grab ones attention. Those smart enough to see through the fog understand neither is actually as the headline suggest.
Same for pot. Even more OT same for the MC show & swap meet (Now cancelled) out of fear more violence will occur. Which IMO would not happen. The masses seem to believe any story that the media reports on is True. Unfortunately most people (in today's twitter world) have the attention span of a ..SQUIRREL
Now where was i ..Oh yeah. People only see & believe what they want. I don't see the Scourge of MJ up here. Then again i don't pay attention to it. Mostly because i believe it's more a knee jerk reaction to nothing. Crime's gonna happen. Whether it's a home invasion over what's believed to be lots of cash from a grow operation. Or break in because someone believes the home owner has lots of guns, money, high value pawn items etc.
Crime's gonna happen, because we coddle criminals. End that cycle and things will calm down.
OldFogey
05-30-2016, 08:25
Marijuana is a schedule one narcotic, per our government. Alcohol is a central nervous system depressant, per the PDR. Both are drugs. Both happen to be legal in Colorado. If you use one, but whine about the other, doesn't that make you a hypocrite?
Aloha_Shooter
05-30-2016, 09:47
Marijuana is a schedule one narcotic, per our government. Alcohol is a central nervous system depressant, per the PDR. Both are drugs. Both happen to be legal in Colorado. If you use one, but whine about the other, doesn't that make you a hypocrite?
No. Those who use alcohol but don't like legalized marijuana can point to lots of uses to enhance flavors in cooking without mind-altering effect and largely negative social effects from widespread marijuana usage. How many armed home invasions have you seen over someone's stash of Jack Daniels or single malt Scotch or microbrew beers? How many houses have had to be razed because of pollution from homebrewing?
On the flip side, those who enjoy marijuana but abhor alcohol can point to the more destructive impact alcohol has on individuals who are prone to alcoholism. I don't know if there are any official studies but it seems to me people under the influence of marijuana are less likely to get in a car and drive than people under the influence of alcohol (my experience is suspect since the largest population of active marijuana users I knew were in high school -- too young to drive -- or college -- no access to a car).
Either way, you don't have to be a hypocrite to argue for one and not the other.
I think what has happened here in Colorado is since pot is now big business it attracts everybody looking for easy money. That includes drug cartels from Mexico. Cartels have a thriving business bringing pot from Mexico into this country through expensive tunnels. Now they can now set up a grow operation here and distribute nation wide with out any border security. It is going to be a very attractive scenario to every thug and drug king pin in the world. Colorado with it's central location is even more attractive than Washington. I think the pot issues here get worse before they get better. This isn't just about somebody in there basement smoking and drinking anymore. While petty crime will increase to support individual habits, big business is driving big crime. We just need to look at central America to see how entrenched, driven and unchecked drug manufacturing can change a society for the worse.
I live in a town that thinks the world is going to soon come to an end because I put fossil fuel in my SUV.
I surf online forums that think the world is going to soon come to an end because people burn a plant and inhale the fumes.
This leads me to conclude that the world is indeed going to soon come to an end.
I'd be tempted to go outside, but apparently the sky is falling so I'll stay indoors for now.
I live in a town that thinks the world is going to soon come to an end because I put fossil fuel in my SUV.
I surf online forums that think the world is going to soon come to an end because people burn a plant and inhale the fumes.
This leads me to conclude that the world is indeed going to soon come to an end.
I'd be tempted to go outside, but apparently the sky is falling so I'll stay indoors for now.
Where all the asbestos, mold, and radon is? You're crazy!
Yeah, somebody hasn't been paying attention to how "indoor air quality is often worse than outdoor".
You're crazy!
you only realize that because you've met me :p
I'm just making sure I understand the argument some of you are making:
Because of the criminal actions of a few individuals, you should take guns marijuana, away from everyone?
I find the argument quite odd coming from this group...
O2
I'm just making sure I understand the argument some of you are making:
Because of the criminal actions of a few individuals, you should take guns marijuana, away from everyone?
I find the argument quite odd coming from this group...
O2
Pot is illegal at the federal level, but pronounced legal at the sate level.
Individual ownership of guns is protected by the US Constitution.
Clear as mud?
Whiskey was made by a lot of early Americans, and it was often used like money in commerce. The Feds shut that down early in our history (see "Whiskey Rebellion"), but it seems like some folks are more interested in letting folks grow their own weed than distilling their own whiskey. Why pick and choose? How about a smaller government that does the few things that our Constitution instructed them to do, hands off the rest and let the states decide?
I'm just making sure I understand the argument some of you are making:
Because of the criminal actions of a few individuals, you should take guns marijuana, away from everyone?
I find the argument quite odd coming from this group...
O2
Y'think that's hard to understand, cruise on over to calguns.net and read all the people that think mags that hold over 10rds are the devil and should be banned for the children. Gun owners are an interesting bunch...
GunsRBadMMMMKay
05-30-2016, 21:17
Y'think that's hard to understand, cruise on over to calguns.net and read all the people that think mags that hold over 10rds are the devil and should be banned for the children. Gun owners are an interesting bunch...
no....whiskey is the devil, magazines just hold bullets or commercials depending on the format
The Feds shut that down early in our history (see "Whiskey Rebellion")...
I'm not sure the Feds ever truly shut that down. Hip Hop Alexander Hamilton really didn't end the untaxed distilling business but drove it out of western Pennsylvania into Western Virginia and Kentucky. Large scale distillery operations were given breaks by the federal government and they in turn drove small scale operations out of business. Even today, there are small scale distilling operations that churn out product which avoids federal taxation. How ironic that the same agency that chases moonshiners regulate gun sales.
Small government, focused on the essential roles of our national interest, is my dream. Yes, I have a dream. Sadly, we have gotten the government that so many want. A government that trades security for freedom and so many today are willing to make that Faustian bargain with our ruling elite.
GunsRBadMMMMKay
05-30-2016, 21:23
I see a lot of good points being made in this thread..........some of it is quite scary if you think about the big picture that has fallen off the wall and about to smash into all us little people on the ground level. I remember hearing a discussion on kbpi years ago (believe it was in regards to medical at that time) where the host was asking a caller and the listeners if they would be willing to give up their second amendment rights to smoke pot legally (or went on to do any drugs they wanted even). Thankfully the caller said fk no but I can't help but look at this state now and think we did trade off our rights (at least to some extent) for a "liberty" that we in turn allowed the government to regulate (and allowed them in the past to regulate/ban). It's a stupid commute memory that somehow seems to haunt me these days. Think maybe "we've been had".
OldFogey
05-31-2016, 02:44
Pot is illegal at the federal level, but pronounced legal at the sate level.
Individual ownership of guns is protected by the US Constitution.
Clear as mud?
Whiskey was made by a lot of early Americans, and it was often used like money in commerce. The Feds shut that down early in our history (see "Whiskey Rebellion"), but it seems like some folks are more interested in letting folks grow their own weed than distilling their own whiskey. Why pick and choose? How about a smaller government that does the few things that our Constitution instructed them to do, hands off the rest and let the states decide?
Excellent idea. Since the voters have apparently decided in Colorado perhaps we should move on.
Great-Kazoo
05-31-2016, 07:15
Excellent idea. Since the voters have apparently decided in Colorado perhaps we should move on.
Which really brings up the legit Question.. Are we in favor of States or Federal Rights? Does not the State have the "Right" to say what they will enforce or not?
RE: Montana and other states saying they will not enforce BYO gun's as long as they are mfg and stay within the states borders?
the TL:DR version.
It's OK if the state says We will not enforce fed laws when it comes to guns. BUT.................................. Bad when the state says we will not enforce fed MJ laws? Which is it?
The Feds bend the states to their will by withholding funds taken from the paychecks of hardworking citizens of those states. State sovereignty is an illusion at this point.
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I agree that states rights should supersede Fed laws. I believe if the Feds want to withhold state funding from the federal taxes they receive then the states should stand behind the citizens not paying federal taxes. But then can you imagine Lickenbloomberg ever standing behind the people?
Zundfolge
05-31-2016, 10:02
Honestly I don't care whether pot is legal or illegal or whether it's the state or the federal government that decides. I just want the unconstitutional and illegal methods of enforcing pot laws (and the drug war in general) done away with.
I just want Federal, State and Local governments to follow the goddamn Constitution.
Oh and I want liberal idiots to move back to California.
Jefe's AR
05-31-2016, 10:18
They don't call it Dope because it helps you pass the SAT's.
If the legalization was truly about freedom then the State would have de-criminalized it and would not be using it as a source of meaningful tax wealth.
The same government that allowed the "legalization" of the happy leaf, banned you from owning 16 round magazines.
Colorado is for lack of a better term, retarded. Or maybe just high.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
When I took the ASVAB when I was 22, I scored a 99. The highest score possible and allowed me to take any job I wanted, which included short cuts to Annapolis, ROTC, and OTS. I smoked EVERYDAY and likely smoked heavily the night before the test. It's been awhile but I recall that I refrained for the test because it was 'important' to me at the time. The last IQ test I took, I scored 128.
Be very careful labeling MJ users. The thing is that the ones that are smart and successful are smart enough to keep it on the down low as society and people like you are always judging based on myth and prejudice. I know and have met very wealthy and intelligent MJ users. And they're smart enough to spot you a mile away. These people are the same people taking care of you and your children in schools, doctors offices, and hospitals. They are defending AND prosecuting DUIs, inventing life saving technologies, and serving and protecting. Just like any drug, food, sexual preference or hobby, it runs the full gambit from the dredges of society to the most well respected and elites.
It seems to me that you're judging MJ users based on those MJ users who don't care about their effect or social status in society. Much like the barflies you see in the bar everyday at noon until closing. Should all alcohol users be judged by the same standards?
I smoked EVERYDAY and likely smoked heavily the night before the test.
...the ones that are smart and successful are smart enough to keep it on the down low...
As posted on the World Wide Web.
hurley842002
05-31-2016, 11:26
As posted on the World Wide Web.
Bwaahaha!
wctriumph
05-31-2016, 11:59
I smoked EVERYDAY and likely smoked heavily the night before the test. It's been awhile but I recall that I refrained for the test because it was 'important' to me at the time. The last IQ test I took, I scored 128.
Do you smoke before you go to the range? Does it make you a better shot?
Jefe's AR
05-31-2016, 13:47
As posted on the World Wide Web.
Don't care. It was in the past. Nothing for me to hide from anyone. You?
Bwaahaha!
Not sure why you also find this funny. You guys act like I confessed to the Jon Bonet murder and posted it for the World to see yet didn't want to get caught.
Don't care. Not sure why I would or should.
Do you smoke before you go to the range? Does it make you a better shot?
This sounds like a 2nd grader trying to bully me on the playground. It's non sensical and has no basis on this conversation or what I posted. I admitted to being a heavy user of MJ while I was younger and took a test, admittedly while not under the influence. No reference at all to motor skills or recent use.
Sounds like a bunch of angry ignorant people attacking me for no other reason than some irrational need to dump some marijuana related anger on an past admitted marijuana user just trying to lessen your ignorance.
If you can't or won't see the similarities of your statements to those of the extreme left and gun laws as been pointed out continually in MJ related thread, I wonder if you're really interested in real freedom or your idea of freedom.
hurley842002
05-31-2016, 13:53
Not sure why you also find this funny. You guys act like I confessed to the Jon Bonet murder and posted it for the World to see yet didn't want to get caught.
Don't care. Not sure why I would or should.
In one sentence you talk (on a public forum) about how heavily you smoked pot, in the next sentence you mention that folks should keep it on the DL. It was funny, do I have your permission to laugh? No? Oh well, I'm laughing anyway.
When I took the ASVAB when I was 22, I scored a 99. The highest score possible and allowed me to take any job I wanted, which included short cuts to Annapolis, ROTC, and OTS. I smoked EVERYDAY and likely smoked heavily the night before the test. It's been awhile but I recall that I refrained for the test because it was 'important' to me at the time. The last IQ test I took, I scored 128.
You must be confusing your ASVAB scores with your AFQT score. Would think a 128 would have caught that.
Did you ever hold a security clearance during your military career?
Did you tell the investigators about your proud and extensive illegal drug usage, or did you lie?
Just curious - now that you've posted it for the world to read.
I don't understand the drama. I've met so many people from this board that I would bet are current pot users, that I can't even understand the attitudes displayed in these discussions. How is this shocking to any of you that people you know have used pot before?
Maybe I understand a little, as I remember being appaled at the number of people I knew who were casual cocaine users and would snort coke on the weekends. I had never even seen coke before so the behavior just wasn't on my radar.
hurley842002
05-31-2016, 17:37
I don't understand the drama. I've met so many people from this board that I would bet are current pot users, that I can't even understand the attitudes displayed in these discussions. How is this shocking to any of you that people you know have used pot before?
Maybe I understand a little, as I remember being appaled at the number of people I knew who were casual cocaine users and would snort coke on the weekends. I had never even seen coke before so the behavior just wasn't on my radar.
So in other words some of the folks in this thread displaying "attitude", you have met, and suspect that they are current pot users? Otherwise I don't see the correlation. If yes, that's a bold statement to make with no proof.
No, I'm saying that people displaying "attitude" have very likely met many of the same members I have, and I can't understand why they'd act surprised that people have had, or currently smoke pot.
This reminds me of a time in high school where the teacher asked the class if they would admit to speeding to a police officer. At the time, the class was divided and a discussion ensued. Reflecting back on that as an adult I can't even see how that conversation lasted more than 20 seconds. Of course I'd admit to a police officer that I've exceeded the speed limit. I do all kinds of things that I'm not supposed to do, as does every single other person on the planet. Like every other adult, I have to accept the consequences of my actions and take that into consideration before doing anything that could ever get me into trouble. When I went to Nebraska, I carried 24/7, every where I went for a week. I reviewed the local statute a few days in and found out that you're not allowed to carry in bars, banks, or places of religious worship. I did all of that, and continued to carry in all of those places after I was aware of the statute. Now I've posted it on the internet. Big deal.
Oh yeah, I also drank alcohol while carrying, which is specifically not allowed. I'm doing that again right now.
Some of you are wound too tight.... Maybe you guys need a joint. They sell it locally now, in case you weren't aware.
Oh yeah, I also drank alcohol while carrying, which is specifically not allowed. I'm doing that again right now.
You'll shoot your eye out, kid!
SideShow Bob
05-31-2016, 18:04
Naw, he'll just be grabbing his leg and screaming " I just fu#%ing shot myself......"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTGmTrQXrwg&sns=em
hurley842002
05-31-2016, 18:17
Not too bad at the moment, but in case I get busy later, IBTL...
Try not to make this a personal issue. No personal confessions of past criminal activity or recrimination by others for said criminal activity. Try to stick to the policies and issues related to marijuana without taking it out on those who may disagree.
Thank you. [Flower]
Try not to make this a personal issue. No personal confessions of past criminal activity or recrimination by others for said criminal activity. Try to stick to the policies and issues related to marijuana without taking it out on those who may disagree.
Thank you. [Flower]
So what I'm reading here is that while Marijuana is Federally illegal, but legal at the State level, that all guns are documented into a data base and everything you say online is a red mark against you in your personal government file. Am I understanding this correctly?
TheSparkens
05-31-2016, 18:49
My brother runs a hospital for people with mental issues, mostly younger adults. He said without a doubt you will see a bunch of new studies that prove MJ is not what the MJ industry believes it to be. There will be proof that it has many ill affect especially to the young brain and lets not forget first time pot use has been shown to be as young as 8 years old. He does admit that the study's will also show that when broken down to all the deferent chemicals they will find that some are very good at treating many central nerve system problems. Everyone that is involved in this thread should admit that it is hypocritical that a person who drinks a little then turns around and slams the guy who smokes a little or who said in one thread that the states should control there government and then quotes that federal law trumps state law and jump on the constitutional band wagon, well you can't have it both ways.
If anyone thinks that Colorado is not causing a massive problem around the country with the illegal distribution of pot by both the cartel's and the user who is coming here to visit and then goes home to there home state with a bunch of pot for themselves and there friends should talk to the state patrol officers on the front lines in states at are boarders and it is illegal under state and federal law in those states. I believe that it is only fair that if the people vote in pot or any other drug to be legalized then that state should then tax the living crap out of that industry to pay for all of the ill affects that comes with it and if the federal government gets a back bone and makes pot legal they too should get there taxes also. I have no problems with " sin taxes". If I chose to indulge I know what I am paying for.
So what I'm reading here is that while Marijuana is Federally illegal, but legal at the State level, that all guns are documented into a data base and everything you say online is a red mark against you in your personal government file. Am I understanding this correctly?
Yes. I have personally put a red mark in your government file. [Wiggle]
SideShow Bob
05-31-2016, 19:02
" I smoked some once in college, but I did not inhale "......................
When I took the ASVAB when I was 22, I scored a 99. The highest score possible and allowed me to take any job I wanted, which included short cuts to Annapolis, ROTC, and OTS. I smoked EVERYDAY and likely smoked heavily the night before the test. It's been awhile but I recall that I refrained for the test because it was 'important' to me at the time. The last IQ test I took, I scored 128.
Be very careful labeling MJ users. The thing is that the ones that are smart and successful are smart enough to keep it on the down low as society and people like you are always judging based on myth and prejudice. I know and have met very wealthy and intelligent MJ users. And they're smart enough to spot you a mile away. These people are the same people taking care of you and your children in schools, doctors offices, and hospitals. They are defending AND prosecuting DUIs, inventing life saving technologies, and serving and protecting. Just like any drug, food, sexual preference or hobby, it runs the full gambit from the dredges of society to the most well respected and elites.
It seems to me that you're judging MJ users based on those MJ users who don't care about their effect or social status in society. Much like the barflies you see in the bar everyday at noon until closing. Should all alcohol users be judged by the same standards?
Literally the stupidest people I ever met in the Military, (outside of officers of course), where those that fell under one of two categories, either the lowest possible score on the ASVAB or the highest possible score on the ASVAB.
And I.Q. tests are pontificated drivel.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160601/b0d4f5c62df6498dc8878543d112924b.jpg
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
Great-Kazoo
05-31-2016, 20:31
Literally the stupidest people I ever met in the Military, (outside of officers of course), where those that fell under one of two categories, either the lowest possible score on the ASVAB or the highest possible score on the ASVAB.
And I.Q. tests are pontificated drivel.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160601/b0d4f5c62df6498dc8878543d112924b.jpg
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
Way to marsh his hello man. Like really.
Literally the stupidest people I ever met in the Military, (outside of officers of course), where those that fell under one of two categories, either the lowest possible score on the ASVAB or the highest possible score on the ASVAB.
And I.Q. tests are pontificated drivel.
Velocitas, Opprimere,
Violentia Operandi
I liked your first post better
[Beer]
BushMasterBoy
05-31-2016, 22:44
http://www.weedist.com/2012/09/piece-of-the-week-robert-mickelsen-ar-15-bong/
Wow, that's pretty detailed.
That mag holds more than 15 rounds so it's not legal in co.
Bitter Clinger
06-01-2016, 00:04
http://www.weedist.com/2012/09/piece-of-the-week-robert-mickelsen-ar-15-bong/
Ya it's cool but ca it hit 1/2 MOA?
Great-Kazoo
06-01-2016, 01:21
Wow, that's pretty detailed.
NO, it's sad the only way they reference the AR, is from a video game, or movies. Not (as usual) from first hand experience.
JohnnyDrama
06-01-2016, 19:44
Some of you are wound too tight.... Maybe you guys need a joint. They sell it locally now, in case you weren't aware.
There's a pot store five blocks from where I live. Just up the street. The restaurant next door to the shop put a fence around their parking lot to make it harder for people to cut through their property. We've seen an increase in pedestrian traffic on the street as well. Some of the neighbors have talked about people coming into their houses then explaining it away as the wrong address. Fortunately, we've got a couple of dogs that are just big enough to convince most they probably don't have the correct address. We also lock our doors more often.
As far as the home invasion in Durango, it shook the community up some. I doubt that anyone who connects the dots will be listened to though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF2MQIbQKjE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF2MQIbQKjE
I like this one as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrslyzwErGc
Zundfolge
06-02-2016, 21:12
Once again though, I'm a big picture kind of person. The two big issues I have with this:
#1 It was a tactical move and may very well give HRC the election, subsequently, 7/9 liberal supreme court justices and the end of all personal freedom, etc.
#2 We are losing the global war and small cuts like this will indirectly result in our failure as a country in the not-distant future. China especially, look at how they value education and productivity, considering they have 4 people to every one of ours; and our culture values the stoner over the nerd... I know what the future holds for us.
I haven't seen any response from the "toke and chill out" crowd. Literally, your weed may sacrifice your gun rights and every other personal freedom you hold dear.
Quoted for truth.
Two things to look for in the coming months.
IF the Brexit fails future generations will mark that as the moment that western civilization crossed the Rubicon into oblivion (or rather the ancient infidels inflicted upon themselves the fatal wound that sealed the fate of their own decadent culture, Allah be praised).
IF the next president is Hillary or Bernie future generations will mark that as the moment the US Constitution died permanently (or rather the last nail was put in the coffin of the evil, white, capitalist patriarchal America. Hail Hydra).
Great-Kazoo
06-02-2016, 23:40
Once again though, I'm a big picture kind of person. The two big issues I have with this:
#1 It was a tactical move and may very well give HRC the election, subsequently, 7/9 liberal supreme court justices and the end of all personal freedom, etc.
#2 We are losing the global war and small cuts like this will indirectly result in our failure as a country in the not-distant future. China especially, look at how they value education and productivity, considering they have 4 people to every one of ours; and our culture values the stoner over the nerd... I know what the future holds for us.
I haven't seen any response from the "toke and chill out" crowd. Literally, your weed may sacrifice your gun rights and every other personal freedom you hold dear.
The Complacent, i'm able to do anything snowflake crowd, outnumber us "normal" more so than any islamic birth rate will.
Quoted for truth.
Two things to look for in the coming months.
IF the Brexit fails future generations will mark that as the moment that western civilization crossed the Rubicon into oblivion (or rather the ancient infidels inflicted upon themselves the fatal wound that sealed the fate of their own decadent culture, Allah be praised).
IF the next president is Hillary or Bernie future generations will mark that as the moment the US Constitution died permanently (or rather the last nail was put in the coffin of the evil, white, capitalist patriarchal America. Hail Hydra).
[LOL]Current generations don't know what the Constitution is, or even know it exist. You mean that piece of paper that allowed gun fanatics to mow down thousands of innocent children weekly.
That is the truth.
SA Friday
06-03-2016, 10:09
Once again though, I'm a big picture kind of person. The two big issues I have with this:
#1 It was a tactical move and may very well give HRC the election, subsequently, 7/9 liberal supreme court justices and the end of all personal freedom, etc.
#2 We are losing the global war and small cuts like this will indirectly result in our failure as a country in the not-distant future. China especially, look at how they value education and productivity, considering they have 4 people to every one of ours; and our culture values the stoner over the nerd... I know what the future holds for us.
I haven't seen any response from the "toke and chill out" crowd. Literally, your weed may sacrifice your gun rights and every other personal freedom you hold dear.
Or, this could be the results of a political party slowly alienating itself from its constituents by not listening to them. I don't know anyone that agrees with everything their respective political party represents, but when that party internally is so split with strife they can't even agree on who should be the seat, there's a problem. When the representative they choose is ostracized by it's own political counterparts even though the voters are clearly pointing to wanting different leadership, there's a problem. When registered republicans are so fed up with the bullshit they change libritarians by the droves, there's a problem.
You are pointing to a symptom and calling it the illness.
China has its own massive problems unrelated to our own you glazed over...
Zundfolge
06-03-2016, 10:24
Or, this could be the results of a political party slowly alienating itself from its constituents by not listening to them. I don't know anyone that agrees with everything their respective political party represents, but when that party internally is so split with strife they can't even agree on who should be the seat, there's a problem. When the representative they choose is ostracized by it's own political counterparts even though the voters are clearly pointing to wanting different leadership, there's a problem. When registered republicans are so fed up with the bullshit they change libritarians by the droves, there's a problem.
Thing is the Libertarian party has the same problem ... the choice of Gary Johnson as their candidate was just as contentious as the Republican and Democrat primaries.
And Johnson has shown his ass by picking a leftist (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/23320-libertarians-pick-for-vp-is-a-globalist-liberal)as a running mate and being a dick to his rival, Austin Petersen (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/2/gary-johnson-tossed-rival-austin-petersons-gift-of/). So the LP is just as divided as the GOP or Demonrats.
Zundfolge
06-03-2016, 11:50
I guarantee you that the legal weed vote emboldened Democrats in Denver to push hard and fast on gun control. The two things are connected.
In the last year we've had more than 100,000 people move to Colorado in the last year. I guarantee you that 90%+ are going to register as Democrats when they get here.
Great-Kazoo
06-03-2016, 12:13
I guarantee you that the legal weed vote emboldened Democrats in Denver to push hard and fast on gun control. The two things are connected.
In the last year we've had more than 100,000 people move to Colorado in the last year. I guarantee you that 90%+ are going to register as Democrats when they get here.
They're calling an easy 25K increase in a town that was less than 6K when we moved in. I know the town just took a serious shit when................. One of the town board members said " Windsor is such a progressive town, with lots of potential"
Hell the police chief retires next month. How did the town go about hiring the as of yet unnamed Chief? With no input from ANY LE, Including the Chief. They are hiring based on what the Town Board wants, not what the LE rank & file is suggesting.
Control the Town .Gov
Control the Police dept.
Control the people.............................
DPD: Marijuana plants at scene of triple homicide (http://www.9news.com/news/crime/dpd-marijuana-plants-at-scene-of-triple-homicide/234340736)
DENVER - Denver Police Spokesperson Christine Downs told 9NEWS marijuana plants were found at the scene of the triple homicide in North Park Hill Friday night.
Police have described the murders as a drug deal "gone extremely bad."
Downs said the department is not considering the case marijuana-related, and said she didn't know if there were other drugs inside the home.
PREVIOUS STORY: Triple homicide was drug deal gone bad (http://www.9news.com/news/crime/multiple-people-found-dead-inside-denver-home/230980252)
Around 8:15 p.m. Friday, police found two men dead inside of a house on the 3600 block of Hudson Street. Those two men were identified Monday as Devonne Burton, 28, and Sean Point, Sean Point, 27.
A third man, identified as 27-year-old Derrius Woods, was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead.
A fourth victim was shot in the arm and was in serious condition as of Saturday.
Denver Police are looking for a 2015 maroon Chevy Tahoe with temporary tags.
Police said the vehicle might be traveling out of town.
Last I heard from the news was that the vehicle was suspected of travelling to Tulsa, OK.
Interesting that the article heading is about marijuana plants, the PD says it was a drug deal gone "extremely bad", it's unknown if other drugs were at the home, but the PD isn't considering the crime "marijuana-related"....? So....where's the beef?
DavieD55
06-06-2016, 19:33
They're calling an easy 25K increase in a town that was less than 6K when we moved in. I know the town just took a serious shit when................. One of the town board members said " Windsor is such a progressive town, with lots of potential"
Hell the police chief retires next month. How did the town go about hiring the as of yet unnamed Chief? With no input from ANY LE, Including the Chief. They are hiring based on what the Town Board wants, not what the LE rank & file is suggesting.
Control the Town .Gov
Control the Police dept.
Control the people.............................
Exactly!
BPTactical
06-06-2016, 20:52
Average of 15k per month have come to CO since amendment 64 was passed.
Outstanding citizens all I am sure.
As far as the gun bills go- when the owner of Magpul told Kagan in the Judicial chambers straight to his face that he would pull his 200 million dollar a year company out of this state, Kagan didn't give a hang.
He knew the dope money would replace Magpuls.
I truly loathe my native state.
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