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What a sad story, not sure if the parents need their asses kicked yet, bottom line is the kid is safe. Looking at the video clip and imagining 10 minutes of it, it could have taken a turn for the worst in an instant. I'm not sure 'who fired what' but it was the right decision IMOP.
I'm just wondering what a Zoo has at their disposal and who is shooting it. No doubt these guys are professional and given the choice would rather go non-lethal. It must have been pretty traumatic for
people in the area.
Sometimes a dart/tranquilizer gun isn't an option. By the way, this kid is going to have the best show and tell story ever!
fportmen45
05-30-2016, 15:48
That people are more up in arms about a fricken animal on Memorial Day (not a jab at you, flogger - just an observation of the news) rather than those we've lost in defense of our country speaks volumes about our country's current state.
BPTactical
05-30-2016, 18:30
That people are more up in arms about a fricken animal on Memorial Day (not a jab at you, flogger - just an observation of the news) rather than those we've lost in defense of our country speaks volumes about our country's current state.
#GorillaLivesMatter
Sad state of affairs we're in eh?
fportmen45
05-30-2016, 18:36
True that.
I think there's hope for our country yet. I'm glad to see someone was willing to take out an endangered animal rather than let it kill that kid.
When the day comes that another kid falls in with a gorilla and they let it tear the kid apart rather than put the animal down, then we're doomed.
News broke before memorial day, it's just ongoing. CNN at least has a "breaking obama veterans blehhhh" and the gorilla just one of the side stories.
It's sucky because it's one of a very endangered/limited number left. This isn't the 80's. Zoo's generally have much better walls than they used to. A few witnesses talk about how it would have taken some effort to actually crawl under/thru the fence and through the thick shrubs to get to the edge. Then how retarded are these children to then fall off a long edge. Are these children also not safe in their beds, bridges, or anything else higher than a curb?
Shitty fucking parents. And for those saying but saved da baby.... what happens to the other 90% of the time ya'll either saying survival of the fittest let more dumb people die or the shoot anyone who shoots my dog crowd.
As far as 10 minutes, they said the gorilla was initially almost protective seeming, and that's whats sad even when folk thought it was getting riled, it may have still been in it's mind keeping the kid away from the females or whatever.
Spoken like someone who hasn't had a kid yet, fitz.
Not that I'm going to disagree with everything you stated, but you really can't blame the kid. Once they are seven or eight years old, maybe. But that young and you have to blame the parents. (Which you did)
Natural selection is awesome for stupid people. Kids that age might seem stupid but you can't really blame them. Their brains aren't very developed at that age and they have no life experience to know any better.
Definitely cool to blame the parents though.
In fact, if I owned the zoo I would probably be filing a civil suit for whatever the value is on one of those gorillas.
When the dust settles:
The family will retain an attorney and receive a sizable settlement from the zoo. Their counsel will show "this was not their fault" and the zoo will pay them dearly, in addition to losing the gorilla.
Talk shows, movie rights..........the child and family will do very,very well.
hurley842002
05-30-2016, 18:55
Spoken like someone who hasn't had a kid yet, fitz.
Not that I'm going to disagree with everything you stated, but you really can't blame the kid. Once they are seven or eight years old, maybe. But that young and you have to blame the parents. (Which you did)
Natural selection is awesome for stupid people. Kids that age might seem stupid but you can't really blame them. Their brains aren't very developed at that age and they have no life experience to know any better.
Definitely cool to blame the parents though.
In fact, if I owned the zoo I would probably be filing a civil suit for whatever the value is on one of those gorillas.
Mirrors my opinion on the subject. With that out of the way, what caliber was used, that's what I want to be carrying....
Mirrors my opinion on the subject. With that out of the way, what caliber was used, that's what I want to be carrying....
45 ACP, duh. What else could put a gorilla down?
[Coffee]
When the day comes that another kid falls in with a gorilla and they let it tear the kid apart rather than put the animal down, then we're doomed.
That already happens. You need look no further than certain neighborhoods in certain cities.
That already happens. You need look no further than certain neighborhoods in certain cities.
There's gorillas in the neighborhoods and cities?
[panic]
What else could put a gorilla down?
[Coffee]
[pick-me]
A rifle, apparently.
Spoken like someone who hasn't had a kid yet, fitz.
Not that I'm going to disagree with everything you stated, but you really can't blame the kid. Once they are seven or eight years old, maybe. But that young and you have to blame the parents. (Which you did)
Natural selection is awesome for stupid people. Kids that age might seem stupid but you can't really blame them. Their brains aren't very developed at that age and they have no life experience to know any better.
Definitely cool to blame the parents though.
In fact, if I owned the zoo I would probably be filing a civil suit for whatever the value is on one of those gorillas.
Dont get me wrong, I'm mainly blaming parents, though I still /facepalm childs lemming behavior. Hasn't had a kid yet? Sure, but also dont plan on any. But even if it was an older person or another scenario. In general I'd suppose while I'll often go out of my way to help folk, and have empathy for real life/personal experiences with people, despite all that in some aspects I think life is cheap, and have no empathy for people who are mortally stupid or otherwise engage in risky behavior willfully. A child/animal doesn't have the gift of an adult human consciousness. Squander that ability and it's the opposite of BLM folks, SLDM (Stupid lives don't matter)
This bothers me more than the kid in the gorilla enclosure; Chile: Lions shot after man jumps into enclosure, strips (http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/22/americas/chile-zoo-lions-naked-suicide-trnd/)
A zoo killed two lions to save a man who jumped into the big cats' enclosure in the Chilean capital.
The man climbed over the fence Saturday and removed his clothes before approaching the lions, according to a statement posted (https://www.facebook.com/parquemet.zoologiconacional/posts/1236241979733241) on the Santiago Metropolitan Zoo Facebook page.
He was apparently attempting suicide, and a note was found in his clothes, Chilean media reported (http://www.lanacion.cl/noticias/pais/animales/matan-a-dos-leones-por-atacar-a-hombre-en-el-zoologico-de-santiago/2016-05-21/144953.html).
Zoo staff shot and killed two of the lions with live rounds to protect the man, the zoo's statement said.
"Due to the circumstances and to firstly protect the life of this person, we found ourselves obliged to apply all of our security protocols," the zoo's statement reads.
The two lions, a male and a female, were shot in front of a large crowd of zoo visitors. The male lion was born at the zoo, while the lioness was rescued from a circus, local media reported.
The zoo said it took the "incomprehensible action" of killing two of its three lions, which was "profoundly painful for every single one of us."
Scanker19
05-31-2016, 01:20
See my vest. See my vest, made from real gorilla chest...65646
Let one of the animal activists' labradoodle fall in to the pit and they'll scream someone shoot that beast! As Bongo is snacking away on Doodle...
See my vest. See my vest, made from real gorilla chest...65646
[LOL]
I gotta wonder what kind of rifle was used, and do zoos normally keep big firepower on hand for emergencies? If ya think about it, there's some bigass and potentially very dangerous critters there, they'd need a serious weapon and skilled shooters to operate it. Maybe even a selection of weapons depending on needs/situations. I could see different weapons needed for a rampaging elephant vs an enraged marauding baboon, for example.
Never thought about zoos needing rifles and marksmen before.....
Definitely a tragedy, all around.
The Zoo is in the business of displaying dangerous animals for the public to view. They do it on purpose. It's not like the kid snuck on some private game reserve, it's a facility designed expressly to allow people to safely observe the animals. I'm guessing they charge for the opportunity. It's reasonable to expect that some of the visitors will be energetic and excited children. Apparently, their safety precautions were inadequate, but it's their responsibility to make sure the kids are safe. As any parent of an energetic child can attest, they can get away from you in a mere instant. I'm not saying the parents weren't neglectful, maybe they were.
I'm pretty sure the zoo shares some of the responsibility. When I go to Cheyanne Mountain Zoo with my I-have-no-fear three year old, I expect that he should be able to do his damndest to pet the lions and under no circumstances be able to actually get it done.
Batteriesnare
05-31-2016, 11:59
Zoos do tend to keep firepower on hand. When I worked for a local range, we often had teams (we called them Zoo Swat) from Denver Zoo come out and do rifle and shotgun practice. I believe the rifle they had most frequently was a 700 in .243 with iron sights, and a 12 gauge. They were out semi frequently, and a few of them were reasonably competent marksmen.
RblDiver
05-31-2016, 12:33
I'm reserving judgment until more facts are revealed. From what I've been hearing, perhaps the parents are to blame, but even I without kids know that a parent can't watch their kid 24/7. It sounds like they were caring for a number of kids (not all their own), and it just takes one other kid whining or crying to distract the parent long enough for another to get in trouble.
Regardless, I too think shooting the gorilla was the right move. Had the crowd not been there making a commotion, perhaps it would be different and wouldn't have been quite as agitated, but it sounded like a bad situation. I saw a brief clip of the gorilla pulling the kid through the moat fairly roughly. Perhaps it was thinking it was helping, but it was being very rough. It's a better situation to have a dead gorilla and a live child than a dead gorilla and a dead child (if the kid had been killed, no doubt the gorilla would have been put down too).
hurley842002
05-31-2016, 13:00
they say a chimp is 3 times stronger than a man. They say a gorilla is at least 6 times stronger than a man. We have seen from news stories that a chimp can literally tear a man apart. This gorilla could have on purpose or by accident torn the kids limb off. It was the right move.
I was about to post something similar. Despite the gorrilla being "gentle", they are used to handling chimps much stronger than a grown man. I've seen gorillas handling their chimps, and it looks really rough, but it's just business as usual for them.
Zundfolge
05-31-2016, 13:18
The Zoo is in the business of displaying dangerous animals for the public to view. They do it on purpose. It's not like the kid snuck on some private game reserve, it's a facility designed expressly to allow people to safely observe the animals. I'm guessing they charge for the opportunity. It's reasonable to expect that some of the visitors will be energetic and excited children. Apparently, their safety precautions were inadequate, but it's their responsibility to make sure the kids are safe. As any parent of an energetic child can attest, they can get away from you in a mere instant. I'm not saying the parents weren't neglectful, maybe they were.
I'm pretty sure the zoo shares some of the responsibility. When I go to Cheyanne Mountain Zoo with my I-have-no-fear three year old, I expect that he should be able to do his damndest to pet the lions and under no circumstances be able to actually get it done.
True, but keep in mind that this particular gorilla enclosure is over 40 years old. It's worked just fine for four decades, so clearly it's not outright negligence.
A couple of fundamental flaws in our society is these ideas that every time something bad happens that:
1) Someone just won the lottery, and
2) Someone must be punished.
Sometimes "shit happens", and the acceptance that "shit happens" is the sign of a healthy and moral people.
On a side note another one of the signs of the coming collapse of our society is the way some SJWs have responded to the shooting.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/30/black-outrage-gorilla-shot-protect-white-privilege-just-one-problem/
spqrzilla
05-31-2016, 14:37
From the attacks on the parents, there must be far more perfect parents in the world than I've been led to believe.
BPTactical
05-31-2016, 19:14
I dunno, I think the kid just read Dr Suess's "Are You My Mommy" and got confused..............*
* Yes, I'm going to hell[Coffee]
Firehaus
05-31-2016, 19:20
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BPTactical
05-31-2016, 19:23
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they say a chimp is 3 times stronger than a man. They say a gorilla is at least 6 times stronger than a man. We have seen from news stories that a chimp can literally tear a man apart. This gorilla could have on purpose or by accident torn the kids limb off. It was the right move.
Jack Hanna, of TV Fame, has a long involvement with this particular zoo. He's been a good ambassador on the TV over this incident. He stated that 6 men can't physically subdue an adult chimpanzee. A 400 lb. gorilla is a whole other story. He also said that these gorillas are not going extinct, and this was a human being in danger. The gorilla was acting erratically, and a tranquilizer dart would take 5-10 minutes to take effect. The gorilla could have reacted and attacked the child just reacting to the darting.
It's sad that it happened this way, but the correct action was taken.
SideShow Bob
05-31-2016, 19:25
I was about to post something similar. Despite the gorrilla being "gentle", they are used to handling chimps much stronger than a grown man. I've seen gorillas handling their chimps, and it looks really rough, but it's just business as usual for them.
Umm, gorillas and chimpanzees are two separate species....... Baby gorillas are called infants.
I'll have to watch the video, because my immediate question was how the kid could be in there for 10 minutes without a parent trying to save the kid. I don't know about you guys, but if I ever found myself in the situation where my kid got into a cage of an animal, you know I'd be right in there after her. I could care less if I get beat to death in front of a crowd if it buys my kid time.
While we're being honest, I have what is probably an unhealthy low level of fear of animals. Cautious, jumpy? You bet. But I don't know if I've ever been afraid of an animal. Not unreasonably anyway. I'd probably go in after someone else's kid too.
hurley842002
05-31-2016, 19:45
Umm, gorillas and chimpanzees are two separate species....... Baby gorillas are called infants.
Yeah I realized the error of my post shortly after hitting reply, unfortunately I was too busy over in the MJ thread to go back and fix it. I'll just leave it be and lead folks to believe I've smoked too much MJ..... [Coffee]
how may 9mm or 45auto hollow points does it take to get to the center of a gorilla?
Is it wearing a Carhartt jacket?
to be honest, You and I would be well armed and so the fear level would be a little less. But, yeah, I would be in there to get my kids immediately.
how may 9mm or 45auto hollow points does it take to get to the center of a gorilla?
I once saw you draw on a rabbit that ran out from under a bush, so you'd probably shoot the owl before he could tell you.
Aloha_Shooter
05-31-2016, 20:04
The few seconds of footage I saw where the gorilla was swinging the kid through the water convinced me what the zoo did was necessary if regrettable. Intellectually, I know we don't have enough silverbacks and have way too many stupid people but when you have to make a quick decision and it's a human being or an animal, you've got to save the kid. Now if it had been Hillary Clinton falling in the moat ...
for the rest of you, this was because Irv was turning over everything TRYING TO FIND RATTLESNAKES. I was maybe a little jumpy, but it was his fault.
you dont try to find rattlesnakes, they find you.
Well...
While we're being honest, I have what is probably an unhealthy low level of fear of animals. Cautious, jumpy? You bet. But I don't know if I've ever been afraid of an animal. Not unreasonably anyway. I'd probably go in after someone else's kid too.
Zoos do tend to keep firepower on hand. When I worked for a local range, we often had teams (we called them Zoo Swat) from Denver Zoo come out and do rifle and shotgun practice. I believe the rifle they had most frequently was a 700 in .243 with iron sights, and a 12 gauge. They were out semi frequently, and a few of them were reasonably competent marksmen.
That's what I really wanted to know about. Thanks for the reply Batt!
I'm thinking any kind of live wildlife exhibit operation, like a public zoo, has a plan, arms and trained personnel. It's probably a liability issue.
Sad thing for a lot of kids to witness, the silverback lost the most.
Bad situation all around,...except for the lawyers.
Finally found the Hanna interview; Jack Hanna: Right decision was made to kill gorilla (http://youtu.be/mOSE3F5EB80)
Tinelement
05-31-2016, 22:16
Probably could have been over in 30 seconds, but someone saw a sign.
Gorilla is the same threat to a small child as the bad human guy.
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to be honest, You and I would be well armed and so the fear level would be a little less. But, yeah, I would be in there to get my kids immediately.
how may 9mm or 45auto hollow points does it take to get to the center of a gorilla?
9mm would just bounce off.
clodhopper
06-01-2016, 09:32
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BushMasterBoy
06-01-2016, 23:28
All they really needed was some bananas to distract the ape. The basis of wisdom is kindness...
hollohas
06-02-2016, 09:01
Sounds like it was either a 375 or 30-06...
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/06/01/zoo-weapons-response-teams/
The team armed themselves with four guns from a locked cabinet kept in the general curator’s office. Salisbury carried a 12-gauge shotgun. The remaining staff carried two .375 rifles and a 30.06 rifle
65660
think the price will drop since a new found source of extra strong silverback recently became available?
Firehaus
06-02-2016, 10:15
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Snowman78
06-02-2016, 10:34
https://www.policeone.com/the-tacticalist/articles/186560006-Danger-at-the-zoo-A-look-at-weapons-response-teams-at-animal-parks/
Danger at the zoo: A look at weapons response teams at animal parksOpen source information points to a combination of 12 gauge shotguns and high-powered rifles being on hand at most major zoosYesterday at 4:52 PM
This article originally appeared on The Firearm Blog (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/06/01/zoo-weapons-response-teams/).
Last Saturday, Cincinnati Zoo officials shot and killed a 17 year-old western lowland gorilla after it threatened a toddler who had fallen into the moat surrounding the exhibit (the child was later released from the hospital basically unharmed). Aside from the sensationalism brought on by various media reports, I was curious about the policies and procedures in place to handle dangerous animal situations at zoos and animal parks around the world. Thankfully, zoos accredited by organizations like the Association of Zoos and Aquariums have ‘Weapons Teams’ trained to use deadly force in the event of an animal escape or to prevent death or serious harm.
Although the procedures followed by the ‘weapons teams’ are standardized, the firearms used appear to be chosen by the individual zoos and/or the leader of each team. Open source information points to a combination of 12 gauge shotguns and high-powered rifles being on hand at most major zoos.
From a story in the St Petersburg Times (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_146482175025019&key=a63f44f6cc710740a497ceeed73a709b&libId=ioxfx88501013tmk000DL14a3xsye&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefirearmblog.com%2Fblog%2F2 016%2F06%2F01%2Fzoo-weapons-response-teams%2F&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sptimes.com%2F2006%2F08%2F24% 2FTampabay%2FZookeeper_likely_to_f.shtml&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefirearmblog.com%2Fblog%2F&title=DANGER%20AT%20THE%20ZOO%3A%20Weapons%20Respo nse%20Teams%20-%20The%20Firearm%20Blog&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sptimes.com%2F2006%2F08%2F24% 2FTampabay%2FZookeeper_likely_to_f.shtml):
The team armed themselves with four guns from a locked cabinet kept in the general curator’s office. Salisbury carried a 12-gauge shotgun. The remaining staff carried two .375 rifles and a 30.06 rifle.
Zoo employees also train and qualify with local and state law enforcement agencies.
From a story in the Pittsburgh Tribune (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_146482183884220&key=a63f44f6cc710740a497ceeed73a709b&libId=ioxfx88501013tmk000DL14a3xsye&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefirearmblog.com%2Fblog%2F2 016%2F06%2F01%2Fzoo-weapons-response-teams%2F&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Ftriblive.com%2Fnews%2Fadminpage%2 F7941546-74%2Fzoo-police-animal&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefirearmblog.com%2Fblog%2F&title=DANGER%20AT%20THE%20ZOO%3A%20Weapons%20Respo nse%20Teams%20-%20The%20Firearm%20Blog&txt=http%3A%2F%2Ftriblive.com%2Fnews%2Fadminpage%2 F7941546-74%2Fzoo-police-animal):
Pittsburgh Public Safety Director Stephen A. Bucar said police officers and zoo workers went through training immediately after the incident Nov. 4, 2012, when 2-year-old Maddox Derkosh was killed. Bucar said police don’t carry weaponry needed to bring down a large animal in the event of a similar incident. They don’t know enough about animal behavior to shoot an animal, he said.
Various standardized practices from around the world:
North Carolina Zoo (From the American Association of Zookeepers) (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_146482299854822&key=a63f44f6cc710740a497ceeed73a709b&libId=ioxfx88501013tmk000DL14a3xsye&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefirearmblog.com%2Fblog%2F2 016%2F06%2F01%2Fzoo-weapons-response-teams%2F&v=1&out=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aazk.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2FAnimal-Escape-Preparedness.pdf&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefirearmblog.com%2Fblog%2F&title=DANGER%20AT%20THE%20ZOO%3A%20Weapons%20Respo nse%20Teams%20-%20The%20Firearm%20Blog&txt=North%20Carolina%20Zoo%20(From%20the%20America n%20Association%20of%20Zookeepers)):
Weapons Team Management
Identify team members (need enough to always have two on duty at any time)
Basic safety and marksmanship training with local law enforcement
Weapons selection and maintenance
Clearly defined eligibility and qualification requirements
Range qualification at least twice per year
Clearly defined weapons discharge criteria
Identified program leader
Range leader qualifications and training
Jungle Cat World, Ontario, Canada (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_146482304084223&key=a63f44f6cc710740a497ceeed73a709b&libId=ioxfx88501013tmk000DL14a3xsye&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefirearmblog.com%2Fblog%2F2 016%2F06%2F01%2Fzoo-weapons-response-teams%2F&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.junglecatworld.com%2Fdocument s%2Fpolicies%2F01AnimalEscape.pdf&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefirearmblog.com%2Fblog%2F&title=DANGER%20AT%20THE%20ZOO%3A%20Weapons%20Respo nse%20Teams%20-%20The%20Firearm%20Blog&txt=%3Cstrong%3EJungle%20Cat%20World%2C%20Ontario% 2C%20Canada%3C%2Fstrong%3E):
Radio Codes and Message Format
Code Red: Dangerous animal escape (eg- mature lion, tiger, etc.)
Code Blue: Hazardous animal escape (eg- bobcat, spider monkey, etc.)
Code Yellow: Non threat animal escape (eg- kangaroo, deer, etc.)
Code Green: Animal escape drill
All Clear: Self-explanatory (can only be issued by the Senior Keeper or Management)
The Shooter
Only the Director or Emergency Coordinator can issue the command to kill an escaped animal. The
reason to do so are as follows:
1. Human injury or loss of life
2.Threat of human injury or loss of life
3. Animal has breached the parameter fence surrounding the zoo
4. Only individuals who have been trained and are authorized/licensed to use firearms may do so. They will have the keys to the locked gun cabinet.
5. Always make sure that firearms are on safety and handled with extreme caution. The use of a killing
weapon must always be tempered by the potential to endanger human life.
6. Whenever possible, the shooter should stay in a vehicle when approaching the animal.
7. Never run after the animal. It’s certain that you can’t outrun it. You will be out of breath, which will
not allow you to have a steady hand.
8. Make sure you have a good clean shot. Be aware of what is in front and behind your target.
9. If you must shoot, shoot to kill. If you do not feel you are capable of doing this, relinquish the
responsibility to another qualified shooter (if one is available)
British and Irish Association of Zoos (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_146482315220625&key=a63f44f6cc710740a497ceeed73a709b&libId=ioxfx88501013tmk000DL14a3xsye&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefirearmblog.com%2Fblog%2F2 016%2F06%2F01%2Fzoo-weapons-response-teams%2F&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.biaza.org.uk%2Fuploads%2FPubl ications%2FFirearms%2520Guidelines%2520Nov%2520201 3.pdf&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefirearmblog.com%2Fblog%2F&title=DANGER%20AT%20THE%20ZOO%3A%20Weapons%20Respo nse%20Teams%20-%20The%20Firearm%20Blog&txt=%3Cstrong%3EBritish%20and%20Irish%20Associatio n%20of%20Zoos%3C%2Fstrong%3E):
Training/ Continued Development:
It is absolutely crucial that staff licensed to use firearms undergo sufficient initial training to ensure that they are completely familiar with the weapons they are likely to use, the legislation governing the acquisition use and storage of these weapons and that they have a comprehensive understanding of the risks of using these firearms in a built up environment and or public place. Therefore this initial training must include the elements detailed below and competency against each of these criteria must be measured:
Rifle/ Shotgun Safety
Law Relating to Firearms
Rifle/ Shotgun Performance
Practical Safety/ Weapon Handling
Shot placement
Live fire qualification
Communications
Bob Chastain, President of the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_146482319695426&key=a63f44f6cc710740a497ceeed73a709b&libId=ioxfx88501013tmk000DL14a3xsye&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefirearmblog.com%2Fblog%2F2 016%2F06%2F01%2Fzoo-weapons-response-teams%2F&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cmzoo.org%2F&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefirearmblog.com%2Fblog%2F&title=DANGER%20AT%20THE%20ZOO%3A%20Weapons%20Respo nse%20Teams%20-%20The%20Firearm%20Blog&txt=%20Cheyenne%20Mountain%20Zoo), Colorado Springs, Colorado:
Often, people are surprised by the fact that the Zoo has a firearms team. As an accredited zoo, and because of our moral obligation, we are required to have a plan in place and the skills necessary to contain a dangerous animal that has escaped. Our firearms team is made up of Zoo staff from a variety of departments and the team trains year-round in the National Forest outside of Woodland Park and at other gun ranges. Each member is required to pass a yearly qualification and all are skilled at responding to dangerous situations.
From Fowler’s Zoo and Wild Animal Medicine Current Therapy, Volume 7 – by Eric Miller and Murray E. Fowler: (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_146482320899427&key=a63f44f6cc710740a497ceeed73a709b&libId=ioxfx88501013tmk000DL14a3xsye&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefirearmblog.com%2Fblog%2F2 016%2F06%2F01%2Fzoo-weapons-response-teams%2F&v=1&out=https%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D 18A5OdzUBqEC%26pg%3DPT319%26lpg%3DPT319%26dq%3Dzoo %2Bweapons%2Bresponse%2Bteams%26source%3Dbl%26ots% 3DGr7e8ny9yX%26sig%3D9IvmvyxXxuZhvL-sX9GvbfOMzyc%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ved%3D0ahUKEwjfw pztwYLNAhVLKh4KHXz-AnwQ6AEIXTAJ%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dzoo%2520weapons%2 520response%2520teams%26f%3Dfalse&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefirearmblog.com%2Fblog%2F&title=DANGER%20AT%20THE%20ZOO%3A%20Weapons%20Respo nse%20Teams%20-%20The%20Firearm%20Blog&txt=From%26nbsp%3B%3Cem%3EFowler%E2%80%99s%20Zoo%2 0and%20Wild%20Animal%20Medicine%20Current%20Therap y%2C%20Volume%207%20%E2%80%93%20%3C%2Fem%3Eby%20Er ic%20Miller%20and%20Murray%20E.%20Fowler%3A)
Rucker61
06-02-2016, 13:45
"Salisbury carried a 12-gauge shotgun. The remaining staff carried two .375 rifles and a 30.06 rifle."
They definitely brought enough gun.
The .375 H&H has a long history for taking big African game. At least they understand what works.
SideShow Bob
06-02-2016, 19:08
OK, we have seen the spectator footage after the kid fell in, but didn't the zoo have security cameras that caught the kid climbing past the barriers and or fencing that should be in place to keep things like this from happening ?
Or even maybe a bystander's footage that shows him in the background getting past the barriers ?
http://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13321712_10204978789989961_4848474177413320793_n.j pg?oh=2981069cd099b02025e261dd7c37ff84&oe=57C61BF3
Jane Goodall weighs in:
http://pets.people.com/pets/2016/05/31/article/jane-goodall-responds-harambe-gorillas-death
Prosecutor: No charges against mom of boy in gorilla exhibit (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/prosecutor-no-charges-against-mom-of-boy-in-gorilla-exhibit/ar-BBtTYVA?li=BBnbfcL)
So have we banned black, high powered, high capacity gorillas yet?
DavieD55
06-06-2016, 18:03
http://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13321712_10204978789989961_4848474177413320793_n.j pg?oh=2981069cd099b02025e261dd7c37ff84&oe=57C61BF3
[Coffee]
This seems to be fizzling out pretty quickly. Must not have been a white guy that shot that unarmed black gorilla.
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