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Windows 10 is malware, pure and simple. I have just spent the last 3 days resurrecting my dad's computer after it "upgraded" itself, and became unbootable. Not only that, but it broke pretty much every driver on the machine to the point where Win7 became a total PITA to reinstall(broken video driver, broken chipset driver, broken USB driver, etc.). Fortunately, I found a fix, and it is now smoothly running Win 7 Ultimate. Now I get to reinstall all his software and return his machine to service.
I haven't had any issues with 10... knock on wood.
BushMasterBoy
05-31-2016, 13:54
Ten locked up mine too. Eff them...
Zundfolge
05-31-2016, 14:10
https://www.grc.com/never10.htm
I've installed this on all the machines here at the office.
We have way too much old hardware and software here that we depend on for our livelihoods to risk having Windows 10 mess things up.
https://www.grc.com/never10.htm
Already installed...
Zundfolge
05-31-2016, 14:14
Already installed...
Are you saying it was already installed on the machine and it auto "upgraded" anyway? Or are you saying that you've already installed it after the reinstall of 7?
Are you saying it was already installed on the machine and it auto "upgraded" anyway? Or are you saying that you've already installed it after the reinstall of 7?
Post resurrection. Installing on my other machines when I get home
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Thanks. Need to install never 10.
One of the computers at work did that forced update, one that runs the electronic locks and security cameras. ...nothing but issues.
spqrzilla
05-31-2016, 14:33
For those not familiar with this problem, the Microsoft Windows 10 "update" will override your Windows Update settings. Even if you have the setting requiring update to get your permission for each update, Windows 10 will "check" itself for installation and it will install without your explicit permission.
Zundfolge
05-31-2016, 14:33
Post resurrection. Installing on my other machines when I get home
*Whew* ... had me worried for a second.
electronman1729
05-31-2016, 14:50
Same problem here. 10 screwed up my machine. Had to redo all the drivers on my video and sound card. Additionaly all I hear is my cooling fans working over time.
Grant H.
05-31-2016, 15:03
Huh,
Been using 10 on all my work machines for quite a while with no issues.
For those not familiar with this problem, the Microsoft Windows 10 "update" will override your Windows Update settings. Even if you have the setting requiring update to get your permission for each update, Windows 10 will "check" itself for installation and it will install without your explicit permission.
Uh, no it won't. If you have Windows update set correctly it will wait for your input, period.
I manage 37 different computers right now and everyone of them had to be told they could. Not enterprise or anything, just normal Windows 7 and 8.1.
Several people I know have thought they would have the option to stop the upgrade if they click the button, but they don't. You have to kill the task. They told Windows it could upgrade, and it did. It didn't just up and do it...
Grant H.
05-31-2016, 15:04
Same problem here. 10 screwed up my machine. Had to redo all the drivers on my video and sound card. Additionaly all I hear is my cooling fans working over time.
Windows doesn't run your cooling fans... Those are hardware or bios controlled... If their behavior changed, something else changed besides a Windows 10 upgrade.
Zundfolge
05-31-2016, 15:13
Uh, no it won't. If you have Windows update set correctly it will wait for your input, period.
We had one machine here in the office spontaneously install Windows 10 and one of my co-workers machine at home installed Windows 10 without his input. Plus I've read dozens of internet postings of people complaining that Win10 installed without asking so I'm not sure what you mean by "hav[ing] Windows update set correctly".
Windows doesn't run your cooling fans... Those are hardware or bios controlled... If their behavior changed, something else changed besides a Windows 10 upgrade.
Again, the internet is full of people claiming their machines are overheating after the Windows 10 upgrade. Probably a matter of new Windows 10 drivers not working well with older hardware. I'm sure they just "set something up wrong" but hey it's not Microsoft's responsibility to pay for all the wasted man hours, lost data and damaged hardware they're causing.
I'm glad you've not had any issues with Windows 10, but do you run any old software or control any old hardware? I'm sure it works fine for people that do nothing but email, surf and MS Office, but its breaking computers that people use to feed their families all over the world, so I"ll stick with the "FU MS" crowd.
I swear I'd gladly give Adobe one of my testicles if they would just churn out a Linux version of Creative Cloud so I could dump both Microsoft and Apple (who are no better than MS).
wctriumph
05-31-2016, 15:14
I installed it Saturday night and so far, no issues. Seems to be working just fine.
Grant H.
05-31-2016, 15:22
We had one machine here in the office spontaneously install Windows 10 and one of my co-workers machine at home installed Windows 10 without his input. Plus I've read dozens of internet postings of people complaining that Win10 installed without asking so I'm not sure what you mean by "hav[ing] Windows update set correctly".
I'm glad you've not had any issues with Windows 10, but do you run any old software or control any old hardware? I'm sure it works fine for people that do nothing but email, surf and MS Office, but its breaking computers that people use to feed their families all over the world, so I"ll stick with the "FU MS" crowd.
Interesting. I have them all set to require approval for updates, and every single one that I have had any insight into, beyond hearsay, has had user involvement for the upgrade to happen. As I said, quite a few people just don't know that clicking any button in the latest update window means its going to update.
I use quite a bit of legacy hardware and software, since a lot of my customers are still using old serial devices (and supporting software). I also use GPIB, and even parallel with one customer. I've certainly had to play with several of my devices to get it tweaked around onto USB adapters, but I haven't found anything that just flat won't work on W10.
I am, by no means, a Windows only fanboy... I also do a lot on Ubuntu, so I guess I might be more willing to have to tweak stuff to make it come up and run.
Mac, however, can sucka-di-enda...
Windows doesn't run your cooling fans... Those are hardware or bios controlled... If their behavior changed, something else changed besides a Windows 10 upgrade.
The OS certainly can and will control cooling fans.
Yeah, my dad installed it, it worked for 5 days until "patch Tuesday" when the machine reboots itself, it became unstable, and tried to run its own "recovery" mode, proceeded to break most of the drivers for the hardware, and became unbootable (stalled on boot for hours with nothing happening, guessing it was either the chipset driver or the video driver). To fix it, I had to reinstall Win 7 from scratch, then when it reboots to finish installation, boot into safe mode, use the command prompt to get into the device manage, and disable everything that had a broke driver so the installer could complete. Then I went back in and reinstalled all of the frickin drivers for the hardware so that the machine would run. Now reinstalling the software that was lost, not sure how we're going to recover the Quicken password if he can't remember it.
babarsac
05-31-2016, 15:31
I have had zero issues with 10.
The only difference was that I didn't upgrade.
I did a clean install.
I've run into an issue upgrading on one laptop that had Realtek NIC driver issues, but all of my home systems are Win10 and my folks systems are now as well. Win10 has been far easier to deal with than 8/8.1 IMO.
The biggest problem I have with MS is how heavy-handed they've been about getting people to upgrade. Then again, Apple does this when they release a new OS.
Aloha_Shooter
05-31-2016, 16:42
I have one new laptop with Windows 10 Pro on it, preinstalled. It has random odd behavior like the Start button not working with a left click but a right click will produce a limited drop-down menu. Testing out the wireless monitor option, sometimes it works (i.e., spawns the wireless monitor connect process), sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't work, it will never work again until I reboot the machine. Not just log out, reboot. Otherwise, it seems half-baked like so many other Microsoft products, better than Office 365 but that's not saying much.
My wife works from home and she had her printer go tits up last week. Bought a new printer this weekend, hooked it up this morning, and the only way to get it to work was to upgrade to Win 10, so I'm a little anxious to see what lays ahead.
I hate change, what was wrong with windows 7. Oh yeah, NOTHING....................
I always tell people Ubuntu is the best solution for Microsoft problems; the LTS releases are pretty easy to use, and a lot of the windows applications run just fine in wine. I keep a Win VM on my boxes if needed; I just blow them away and bring up another if needed. But, yep, Ubuntu or Kali if you are so inclined.
After closing the window asking us to upgrade to Windows 10, multiple times a day for the last several months, all the sudden the computer upgraded itself. So far no issues, I guess.
VM, dual boot, just about anything to keep M$ from being my OS provider of choice. I have never regretted the money I didn't spend on numerous distributions of Linux over the years.
It should have been named Microsoft X
gnihcraes
05-31-2016, 20:00
Agree with the thread. Mom and Pops got upgrades without asking. Wife's computer did too. Mom has been bitching at me for a couple days now. She can't find this or that and today can't find the print button in Edge. (IE)
What a pain in the ass. Microsoft keeps me employed I guess. Let them keep fucking shit up. Oracle and Java are next in line. OMG! someone pick a version that works and leave it alone.!$#!@@#
My work computer forced the updates. I know for a fact it was not set for automatic updates.
Chaffee2
05-31-2016, 21:27
Our work computers were force updated overnight and when we came in we ran into a mess. Six page forms printed out on the register receipt printer, other printers slowed down to where they were almost unusable. Files being sent to random folders. All sorts of fun. Our IT guy has been trying to get everything fixed and we have a software company that runs our server and of course some of our major programs. They have been pulling out there hair trying to fix all the problems the update caused.
I hate messing with computers so on my personal laptop I've avoided the update. My main concern is mostly the supposed tracking that Windows 10 does.
Oracle and Java are next in line. OMG! someone pick a version that works and leave it alone.!$#!@@#
Leave Java alone? Not when you have to patch or upgrade every 2 weeks due to some zero day exploit. [Coffee]
Leave Java alone? Not when you have to patch or upgrade every 2 weeks due to some zero day exploit. [Coffee]
If you manually download and install each major release into it's own directory, you can manage many versions of java installed side by side. I have to do this on my work laptop for the myriad of manufacturer's appliances I setup/manage.
There are some that use downloadable java applets that refuse to work with any current browser due to security restrictions in the browser, and one in particular that requires the applet to get through the initial setup via ethernet (if serial console isn't available) - (P.S. FU very much Brocade), but there are ways to launch the applets without a browser.
#DieJavaDie
A neighbor asked to borrow some tools to uninstall Windows 10.
65659
I was glad to help.
[ROFL1]
gnihcraes
06-01-2016, 08:08
If you manually download and install each major release into it's own directory, you can manage many versions of java installed side by side. I have to do this on my work laptop for the myriad of manufacturer's appliances I setup/manage.
There are some that use downloadable java applets that refuse to work with any current browser due to security restrictions in the browser, and one in particular that requires the applet to get through the initial setup via ethernet (if serial console isn't available) - (P.S. FU very much Brocade), but there are ways to launch the applets without a browser.
#DieJavaDie
Not as much internally for our java issues, most any current version seems to be ok. It's all the outside vendors/agencies we deal with. I was just told that we need to use a .66 version of java to access a service? WTH. We're behind the times and using .91 version. I can't go back to .66 version.
ugh.
I switched to Mac computers a few years ago. No problems at all. Never going back to Microsoft.
Not as much internally for our java issues, most any current version seems to be ok. It's all the outside vendors/agencies we deal with. I was just told that we need to use a .66 version of java to access a service? WTH. We're behind the times and using .91 version. I can't go back to .66 version.
ugh.
Of course you can.
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/archive-139210.html
Download the x86 offline version (you are using x86 java and not x64 right?) and install it into a different directory.
Using java control panel, you can select which versions are active, default.
My friends and I had no issues with 10. For whatever reason both of my parents computers have the same issues with kinda of a crash on boot or something. It's allegedly a semi widespread issue? I blame them having shitty Mcaffee or something.
spqrzilla
06-01-2016, 08:42
Uh, no it won't. If you have Windows update set correctly it will wait for your input, period.
What it does is check the update box for the Windows 10 upgrade itself, even if you have Windows Update set to require that you approve all updates. Then the next shutdown cycle installs Windows 10 without your explicit approval. This has happened twice already for my office computers and I had to back out the update manually. Which itself screws up your computer. Microsoft are arrogant little pricks.
A neighbor asked to borrow some tools to uninstall Windows 10.
65659
I was glad to help.
[ROFL1]
Why is she uninstalling Win 10 from what appears to be a Power Mac from 1994?
Martinjmpr
06-01-2016, 10:17
I switched to Mac computers a few years ago. No problems at all. Never going back to Microsoft.
Wow, it really took 30 posts to get to the inevitable?
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z256/ZappBranigan/Misc%20pictures/998b.gif
Zundfolge
06-01-2016, 10:28
I switched to Mac computers a few years ago. No problems at all. Never going back to Microsoft.
The last few versions of OSX have destroyed a lot of that lead they had over Microsoft ... as they push OSX to be more iOS like they are slowly ruining it.
Why is she uninstalling Win 10 from what appears to be a Power Mac from 1994?
Didn't you read? Windows 10 doesn't ask for permission before installing, regardless of platform.
#DieJavaDie
#AndTakeAdobeFlashWithYou!!!
Java's 'write once run everywhere' promise only seems to work with malware. So many vendors want their own version and often break as even '.' releases change the architecture of the major release that did work.
Having multiple versions of Java installed usually leads to all kinds of compatibility issues as the Class registrations step all over each other. Often, the last version installed wins. The older exploitable versions can also be called and those exploits still exist on the system.
...at least this mess is job security.
...to those that think Macs are perfect...put down the Kool-Aid and slowly back away. As long as humans are involved, nothing is perfect. Not even a Glock.
As for whatever Linux distro is the favorite this month, the other 99% of computer users just want their software to work. They don't want to have to figure it out. They want to be able to go to Best Buy and buy a printer, connect it and go.
As for whatever Linux distro is the favorite this month, the other 99% of computer users just want their software to work. They don't want to have to figure it out. They want to be able to go to Best Buy and buy a printer, connect it and go.
This is the number one reason why I didn't just go with Ubuntu or Linuxmint. My dad doesn't need to be trying to learn a new OS at 87, Windows is challenging enough.
Java's 'write once run everywhere' promise only seems to work with malware. So many vendors want their own version and often break as even '.' releases change the architecture of the major release that did work.
Not sure what type of Java software you're talking about here. I write Java for a living, enterprise level not consumer stuff. We develop/run on Mac and Windows and always run in production on Linux. What we do at work runs the same on all three platforms. There are lots of consumer products written in java that do just fine too. Chrome for instance is Java based, for me it runs the same on Mac/Windows/linux/Ipad/Android.
Aloha_Shooter
06-01-2016, 16:38
The last few versions of OSX have destroyed a lot of that lead they had over Microsoft ... as they push OSX to be more iOS like they are slowly ruining it.
True ... but I'd still rather run OS/X than Windows 10 and I'm not forced to "upgrade" the current versions of OS/X like I am Windows. My Mac Mini is still running Snow Leopard (10.6) and my personal MacBook Pro is running Mavericks (10.9.5) while my work computer is running El Capitan (10.11.5). The new HP laptop running Windows 10 is just a toy and I don't rely on it for anything important.
Not sure how you interpreted my comments to be a difference with Java Runtimes on different OS'es. This is a problem even on a single OS. Oracle ERP is certified for one Java version, a banking app on another, a web console on yet another, training video content wants another version of Java, etc. You just can't load the latest version of Java and have it backward compatible with a bunch of apps, particularly legacy apps.
I'm also not sure what you mean by Chrome being "Java based". The Chrome browser is part of the Chromium Projects. The Chrome browser and the WebKit browsing engine is written in C++. Chrome has dropped support for Java plugins. Maybe you're talking about JavaScript...which is an entirely different animal courtesy of Netscape?
https://java.com/en/download/faq/chrome.xml
Plugin-based content doesn't work on Chrome (https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/6213033)
In the past, many plugins were developed using an old system called NPAPI. Today fewer sites are using NPAPI plugins and they have often caused security risks on websites.
To make browsing with Chrome safer, faster, and more stable, we stopped allowing NPAPI plugins (https://blog.chromium.org/2014/11/the-final-countdown-for-npapi.html) on September 1, 2015.
Plugins that use NPAPI, including Silverlight, Java, and Unity, won’t work.
As for older versions of OS X, Apple controls the hardware and software environment. If you have a Mac that is 3 years old or older, it may not be possible to upgrade the OS. That's part of the Apple model that encourages hardware upgrades if you want the latest and greatest OS and software.
Then again, my HP Elitebook 2530p from 2008 upgraded to Windows 10 just fine.
There are trade-offs no matter what option you choose.
Zundfolge
06-01-2016, 16:53
True ... but I'd still rather run OS/X than Windows 10 and I'm not forced to "upgrade" the current versions of OS/X like I am Windows. My Mac Mini is still running Snow Leopard (10.6) and my personal MacBook Pro is running Mavericks (10.9.5) while my work computer is running El Capitan (10.11.5). The new HP laptop running Windows 10 is just a toy and I don't rely on it for anything important.
My wife's Mac is still running Snow Leopard ... it pesters her occasionally asking to upgrade but hasn't forced it yet. We haven't upgraded it because we run our Plex server on it and I don't want that to break (which in the past was a problem with Plex).
Aloha_Shooter
06-01-2016, 17:10
...to those that think Macs are perfect...put down the Kool-Aid and slowly back away. As long as humans are involved, nothing is perfect. Not even a Glock.
No one said Macs are perfect but my 2.5 year old MacBook Pro with OS/X is far superior to my brand new HP Envy with Windows 10 for processing my photos, running spreadsheets, and doing general computing. The only things the Envy is better at are playing games (which is why I bought it) and linking to my new Smart TV wirelessly. Windows 10 seems to be more stable than NT or Vista, definitely more enjoyable than Vista, but still has very annoying behavior now and then. For my money, the last Windows release I really liked was Windows XP. I stopped building my own PCs and transitioned over to Macs when I realized what a POS Vista was. I could load Linux or FreeBSD on my PCs but I like the tight hardware engineering on the Macs and don't really feel like playing around with the OS internals anymore.
I'm OS Agnostic. I'm on my late 2013 MBP Retina at the moment using a Chrome browser. I also have a Windows 10 VM running on Parallels when I run into issues that require a Windows OS or IE. I have also stopped building my own systems since I'd rather just use a system. I have other hobbies. ;-)
Came home and found that windows 10 was ready to be installed ( first thing that came up on the screen) I was allowed to bail out but it took a while and it was VERY misleading. The whole creepy male voice trying to walk you through the instal and all, it took a while to do and "reinstall a previous version of windows".
My computer was off line all day, I had been getting win10 install pop-ups for a long time but always closed the window. Not sure how they did it but these SOB's should be sued for crap like this!
Not sure if its a common thing lately but in the meantime, FUMSN!
Eight years ago my security team was running macbooks; today, we are running i7s with Kali. I guess the transition to home is easy for me because I spent most of my career working in some form of Unix like system. I just don't spend my money on stuff I can get for free, and I expect 8-10 years out of my hardware so I don't run bloated BS software that sucks all the resources out of my machine nor controls what I can and can't do with it or deems my hardware end-of-life...no upgrade for you, but everybody is different. However, when somebody asks me to help them with their Windows PC, I say no. Microsoft went off the deep end with their 8 and 10 releases...what a pile of shit.
JohnnyDrama
06-01-2016, 19:08
You had me at the title.
Honey Badger282.8
06-01-2016, 19:28
Mac OSX is my daily driver but I have dual booted Win10 on it as well, it's not bad. What is really annoying is that it auto installs stupid apps like Candy Crush Saga, say what you want about Apple they have never pulled shit like that.
What is really annoying is that it auto installs stupid apps like Candy Crush Saga, say what you want about Apple they have never pulled shit like that.
That's a new one on me. I've never, ever, seen it install Candy Crush Saga. I know they've been advertising it. Are you sure you didn't click on a link?
I unpin the store, Edge, and Media Player from the taskbar whenever I upgrade. I also turn off anything that reports back information to 'improve performance', 'enhance my experience', or 'improve marketing', turn off Cortana, and change the default browser to IE11. I also pin Chrome and IE to the taskbar.
I pin IE to the Recycling Bin.
I pin IE to the Recycling Bin.
LOL...No Shit! I still have nightmares from the Internet Exploder days.
Came home and found that windows 10 was ready to be installed ( first thing that came up on the screen) I was allowed to bail out but it took a while and it was VERY misleading. The whole creepy male voice trying to walk you through the instal and all, it took a while to do and "reinstall a previous version of windows".
My computer was off line all day, I had been getting win10 install pop-ups for a long time but always closed the window. Not sure how they did it but these SOB's should be sued for crap like this!
Not sure if its a common thing lately but in the meantime, FUMSN!
That's why you need to install the never10 app
Good read here for anyone that doubts MS slipped you the finger and did this to systems with ZERO user intervention.
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3043526/microsoft-windows/microsoft-upgraded-users-to-windows-10-without-their-ok.html
I pin IE to the Recycling Bin.
...until you need Java, ActiveX, etc. It's a cute thought though.
I can't remember a time I've ever needed those programs, nite could I even identify them. I used to use an IE emulator in Chrome to access insurance websites when I was an agent.
Then again, I'm not what one would call a heavy user either.
Honey Badger282.8
06-02-2016, 18:21
That's a new one on me. I've never, ever, seen it install Candy Crush Saga. I know they've been advertising it. Are you sure you didn't click on a link?
I unpin the store, Edge, and Media Player from the taskbar whenever I upgrade. I also turn off anything that reports back information to 'improve performance', 'enhance my experience', or 'improve marketing', turn off Cortana, and change the default browser to IE11. I also pin Chrome and IE to the taskbar.
I only use Windows 10 for Air Force sites that require IE and a few programs that only work on Windows. Here's an article explaining it.
http://www.pcgamer.com/candy-crush-saga-will-be-automatically-installed-on-windows-10/
I guess I missed those "...windows of time..." stated in the article. Just upgraded another system a few days ago and no Candy Crush Saga. I wonder if they're doing this to Windows 7 Home editions and not Pro or Ultimate?
well after nearly a week with windows 10 upgrade, we haven't run into any snags. Just gotta bit of a learning curve figuring out the new look.
Updategate: Users petition EFF to challenge Microsoft's Windows 10 practices (http://Updategate: Users petition EFF to challenge Microsoft's Windows 10 practices)
Martinjmpr
06-06-2016, 11:07
well after nearly a week with windows 10 upgrade, we haven't run into any snags. Just gotta bit of a learning curve figuring out the new look.
Same here. Not loving the heavy handed way MS foisted this on us but it seems to be working fine (knock wood.)
The fact that it hasn't driven my change-averse wife crazy is a good testament to how similar it is to 7.
ronaldrwl
06-06-2016, 11:15
I work on it all day with my new computer that came with 10. It requires rebooting 2 or 3 times a day. I agree with the previous poster, it's half baked.
I work on it all day with my new computer that came with 10. It requires rebooting 2 or 3 times a day. I agree with the previous poster, it's half baked.
My laptop upgraded to 10 on its own . . . after me declining to update. When it updated, it "hid" the admin user that I have been using . . . making it look like all my files had been wiped. After I figured that out, I have had numerous shutdowns and restarts due to various errors that I never had with 8. So I am not very thrilled with it up to this point. Has been a lot of burned cycles on stuff that I shouldn't have been forced to deal with at a time when I really couldn't spare the extra time.
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