View Full Version : SGAmmo raises 5.56 prices
kidicarus13
06-12-2016, 15:45
Say what you want about Jax, Dick's, Cheaper than Dirt but SGAMMO also raises prices during a "crisis". I can speak specifically about .223/5.56. Raised prices today $20/case for what I've been watching. I've bought plenty from them in the past and will continue to if the price is right but I thought I would report what I've seen.
Yesterday I was thinking about selling my .223 reloading stuff. I think maybe now I'll hold on to it...
Yep, they're getting in before the rush. I hate to see the opportunism, but if you are short of 5.56 at this point, it's not their fault, it's yours. It's not like we didn't see this coming.
A free market response, conversely a couple years ago I watched IMI M855 at Widener's fall from $455/1200 to $409/1200.
kidicarus13
06-12-2016, 16:47
A free market response, conversely a couple years ago I watched IMI M855 at Widener's fall from $455/1200 to $409/1200.
Agreed. You won't find me bashing Jax, Dick's or Cheaper than Dirt. I'm all for free markets and capitalism and all that comes with it.
Great-Kazoo
06-12-2016, 17:37
IMO. If one doesn't like a business or sellers price, they are welcome to shop elsewhere. Now of only those 55gr sp's i have in the FS section would sell ;)
Agreed. You won't find me bashing Jax, Dick's or Cheaper than Dirt. I'm all for free markets and capitalism and all that comes with it.
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I'm just waiting for some fool to come in here and start bashing because someone has something he wants but won't sell it for a nickel.
It's actually a positive because it pushes speculators (resellers) out leaving some inventory for folks who really need (and thus willing to pay the higher prices).
That's why I stay out of it when these panics hit. I feel really bad for the guys who couldn't afford to stock up and just now realize it's time.
The only reason I had a problem with CTD years back (original 2008 panic) was their trying to heighten it -- prominent advertising "Buy it now before it's banned!" that kind of crap.
Capitalism and price setting is fine. Trying to ramp up panic is not.
I noticed they stop doing that immediately when I shit-listed them over it and sent them formal letterhead...
At any rate, it's been enough years that I've of course forgotten it.
My problem with CTD was when they jacked up the cost of stuff by 200% or more and then said it was the producers doing it, like saying it was Magpul pricing their mags at $60/pop
Great-Kazoo
06-12-2016, 18:51
It's actually a positive because it pushes speculators (resellers) out leaving some inventory for folks who really need (and thus willing to pay the higher prices).
That's why I stay out of it when these panics hit. I feel really bad for the guys who couldn't afford to stock up and just now realize it's time.
It's been time for close to 3 decades. If one isn't of legal age to buy a gun, ok i understand. HOWEVER to complain (not you, Skip) thjat one cannot aford anything firearm related, Oh well.
AR's have been in the shitter price wise for what, almost a year? Unless something has changed there's still lots of $400 kits and $50 lowers out there.
sneakerd
06-12-2016, 18:52
FYI- on the retail end it was pretty quiet today. Did sell a few AR's- but a very quiet Sunday at the shop.
FYI- on the retail end it was pretty quiet today. Did sell a few AR's- but a very quiet Sunday at the shop.
I was at Green Mountain, Gun Room and MGT, all were slow on sales.
funkymonkey1111
06-12-2016, 18:58
The looming hillary annointment notwithstanding, it seems a bit different, at least to me, following a muzzie shooting versus a white male shooting, gun-ban-wise
It's been time for close to 3 decades. If one isn't of legal age to buy a gun, ok i understand. HOWEVER to complain (not you, Skip) thjat one cannot aford anything firearm related, Oh well.
AR's have been in the shitter price wise for what, almost a year? Unless something has changed there's still lots of $400 kits and $50 lowers out there.
I agree! I couldn't afford to be "comfortable" until a few years ago. I didn't complain, I just saved. In 1998 I paid $80 for a 13 round G21 mag! I could only afford one.
And any of yous of age before 1986 have serious splaining to do.
kidicarus13
06-12-2016, 19:13
I was at Green Mountain, Gun Room and MGT, all were slow on sales.
FYI- on the retail end it was pretty quiet today. Did sell a few AR's- but a very quiet Sunday at the shop.
Thanks for the front line reporting but you're both overestimating the general public. Many won't even know what occurred in Orlando until they boot up their work computers on Monday morning. Ammo and/or firearm sales will pick up accordingly. Online sales of 5.56 ammo has increased as the day has progressed. Think I'm trying to start a panic? Why? I won't benefit. Knowledge is power. Be thankful your a member of COAR and now in the know. Those that have as much as you could ever need... good. Those of you that didn't see this coming... well... Game 5 of the NBA Finals is on tomorrow night.
Now that I can realistically afford whatever I want, I suppose I should be looking at some projectiles for .223, .300blk, and .308, but I'm having a hard time convincing myself to spend the money.
funkymonkey1111
06-12-2016, 21:42
SG didn't raise the price on the steel case .223
that's all i shoot any more.
HoneyBadger
06-12-2016, 21:53
The looming hillary annointment notwithstanding, it seems a bit different, at least to me, following a muzzie shooting versus a white male shooting, gun-ban-wise
Maybe the market is actually getting saturated finally.
Great-Kazoo
06-12-2016, 21:59
Now that I can realistically afford whatever I want, I suppose I should be looking at some projectiles for .223, but I'm having a hard time convincing myself to spend the money.
Worry no more about spending money all at once. PACA financing is on line and ready to assist. No credit. NO PROBLEM. Se Habla Espanoal .
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/156734-FS-HORNADY-55-GR-224-SX-S-1K-TOTAL
Hell, I still have 3K rounds of soft point 55gr varmint rds from the last panic GB. need to find me some critters to blast.
I'm throwing a softball there in case it's not obvious.
Martinjmpr
06-13-2016, 06:46
Maybe the market is actually getting saturated finally.
I'd say more like there's no real "panic" because people are beginning to realize that Lame Duck Obama can 'demand' anything he wants from Congress and Congress is just going to tell him to sh!t in one hand and demand in the other and see which one fills up first. And by the time Hillary gets elected this most recent shooting will be a distant memory.
I think any banning in the future is going to happen at the state, not federal, level.
Say what you want about Jax, Dick's, Cheaper than Dirt but SGAMMO also raises prices during a "crisis". I can speak specifically about .223/5.56. Raised prices today $20/case for what I've been watching. I've bought plenty from them in the past and will continue to if the price is right but I thought I would report what I've seen.
Big difference here as it applies to JAX because they voluntarily pulled ALL scary items from their shelves in a de facto 'assault weapons ban' and forfeited our rights to own any of it w/o any pressure from the .gov. Now, if they had simply raised their prices & taken advantage of capitalism's most fundamental aspect of supply v demand I wouldn't have a problem. But they didn't. And I do.
These are not the same thing and you're comparing apples to aardvarks.
crashdown
06-13-2016, 20:03
Big difference here as it applies to JAX because they voluntarily pulled ALL scary items from their shelves in a de facto 'assault weapons ban' and forfeited our rights to own any of it w/o any pressure from the .gov. Now, if they had simply raised their prices & taken advantage of capitalism's most fundamental aspect of supply v demand I wouldn't have a problem. But they didn't. And I do.
These are not the same thing and you're comparing apples to aardvarks.
Don't think JAX forfeited your rights to own anything...
I was just thinking how much I missed the JAX in Lafayette today. Great fishing, camping, kayaking, and hiking boot sections. They were all over the place with ammo pricing, sometimes great deals, sometimes triple going rate. I never approached the gun counter as it looked to be as well stocked as the back corner of my safe. They were a great outdoors shop that had a bit of everything all way down to some great grilling and smoking accessories. Why must they be crucified on this forum all the time just because they didn't carry or want to be known as a "tactical scary black gun store"? They sold kids toys, but didn't stock Barbie dolls on their shelves, but I don't see anybody gettin pissed about that.
Don't think JAX forfeited your rights to own anything...
I was just thinking how much I missed the JAX in Lafayette today. Great fishing, camping, kayaking, and hiking boot sections. They were all over the place with ammo pricing, sometimes great deals, sometimes triple going rate. I never approached the gun counter as it looked to be as well stocked as the back corner of my safe. They were a great outdoors shop that had a bit of everything all way down to some great grilling and smoking accessories. Why must they be crucified on this forum all the time just because they didn't carry or want to be known as a "tactical scary black gun store"? They sold kids toys, but didn't stock Barbie dolls on their shelves, but I don't see anybody gettin pissed about that.
I don't think you understand what it is they did based on what you're saying. It has nothing to do with pricing. Do some searching as this has been covered ad nauseam already.
Martinjmpr
06-14-2016, 08:02
Don't think JAX forfeited your rights to own anything...
Yeah, this.
A private business owner has the "right" to sell (or not sell) whatever he/she wants to within the law.
It doesn't impact your "rights" at all when someone voluntarily chooses not to sell an item, regardless of the reason.
Don't like it? Then YOU have the "right" to shop somewhere else.
Yeah, this.
A private business owner has the "right" to sell (or not sell) whatever he/she wants to within the law.
It doesn't impact your "rights" at all when someone voluntarily chooses not to sell an item, regardless of the reason.
Don't like it? Then YOU have the "right" to shop somewhere else.
This is why a lot of us don't shop there. Wheel guns and pistols with -10 capacity are ok, but glocks are bad isn't an attitude that I want in a gun store. Jax used to be a mil surp store. I hope jax stops selling Birkenstocks because they cause lesbianism. Then there will be two groups of people who avoid the place.
Great-Kazoo
06-14-2016, 09:54
Don't think JAX forfeited your rights to own anything...
I was just thinking how much I missed the JAX in Lafayette today. Great fishing, camping, kayaking, and hiking boot sections. They were all over the place with ammo pricing, sometimes great deals, sometimes triple going rate. I never approached the gun counter as it looked to be as well stocked as the back corner of my safe. They were a great outdoors shop that had a bit of everything all way down to some great grilling and smoking accessories. Why must they be crucified on this forum all the time just because they didn't carry or want to be known as a "tactical scary black gun store"? They sold kids toys, but didn't stock Barbie dolls on their shelves, but I don't see anybody gettin pissed about that.
Yeah, this.
A private business owner has the "right" to sell (or not sell) whatever he/she wants to within the law.
It doesn't impact your "rights" at all when someone voluntarily chooses not to sell an item, regardless of the reason.
Don't like it? Then YOU have the "right" to shop somewhere else.
It's called principle. As they have the right to not sell something . I have the right to not patronize them.
They are however hypocrites (SURPRISE) regarding their stance on firearms. Jax touts their ALL INCLUSIVENESS asking people to respect another lifestyle.
YET refuse to sell a semi-auto based on...................................IT'S COSMETIC APPEARANCE.
Once again, Tolerance & Diversity, providing it's something they agree with.
I like SGammo and will continue to support them when prices are where they should be.
As far as JAX, never been in one and won't go in one due to their decision to remove the scary items. Their choice and the fact that they are opening a new store says all you need about the attitude towards guns for the majority.
beast556
06-14-2016, 10:27
Everytime I go to JAX it is filled with dreadlock hippies and northface wearing hipsters. Gun and ammo prices are stupid expensive. The only thing that interests me is they have a huge selection of mill surplus stuff.
Yeah, this.
A private business owner has the "right" to sell (or not sell) whatever he/she wants to within the law.
It doesn't impact your "rights" at all when someone voluntarily chooses not to sell an item, regardless of the reason.
Don't like it? Then YOU have the "right" to shop somewhere else.
Of course they do just like if they choose to withdraw the sale of scary looking items based on knee-jerk reaction in a de facto ban of our rights I have the right as a paying customer to no longer spend my money there and make their thoughts known to others who share similar desires to support those who support our rights so they can also make informed decisions on who they support. With all of the options available today why would you choose to support someone who doesn't support you? That makes no sense. It is your right to do so but know that all these debates we have are largely worthless and the actions we take in our day to day life are where the wars are won and lost. Kids and non-gun people seeing 'scary' things in their day to day life makes them more common place and less likely to see them as scary devices of murder and mess destruction if the only place they see them is in the hands of evil characters in TV shows and movies. It also makes it so that the average citizen can buy and own them as is our right. If nobody sells them then how are we free to own them if we are unable to buy them? It's not only our right but our duty to support shop owners who support our constitutionally protected rights to keep and bear arms regardless of how scary those items look.
I know I have the right and I exercise that right and I support similar shops who recognize my rights and are willing to continue to support those rights. Posts here on the subject aren't seeking permission to do this but to make sure those who are new to the hobby know who is trustworthy and who isn't as we move forward in this scary political climate where more and more people want to restrict our right to own these pieces of metal and plastic. It's your right to ignore me but all I present are facts: in the days & weeks following Sandy Hook JAX pulled ALL 'scary' looking firearms and components from their shelves with ZERO requirement by the law to do so.
It amazes me that people want to go back to using Netscape as a search engine when Google potentially tweaks their search algorithm slightly to favor a Democratic candidate but when a store intentionally pulls 'assault' weapons and anything that looks scary at the drop of a hat w/o any facts or requirement by law... oh, they're good. We'll still shop there.
Dafuq?!
How is this even a discussion on a forum like this? Did I log into the Brady forum by accident?
Everytime I go to JAX it is filled with dreadlock hippies and northface wearing hipsters. Gun and ammo prices are stupid expensive. The only thing that interests me is they have a huge selection of mill surplus stuff.
...which you can just as easily get elsewhere or online and usually for cheaper from entities who haven't shown a willful disregard for our constitutional rights and supporting us in our fight to convince people that the guns aren't evil.
Martinjmpr
06-14-2016, 11:21
if they choose to withdraw the sale of scary looking items based on knee-jerk reaction in a de facto ban of our rights
"De facto ban?" :rolleyes: It's not a "ban" of any kind. You have no more right to demand that someone else sell a product they don't want to sell than they have to demand that you buy a product you don't want to buy. You're both free actors.
How is this even a discussion on a forum like this? Did I log into the Brady forum by accident?
We don't all march in lockstep to your personal ideology. ;)
"De facto ban?" :rolleyes: It's not a "ban" of any kind. You have no more right to demand that someone else sell a product they don't want to sell than they have to demand that you buy a product you don't want to buy. You're both free actors.
It's a de facto ban from the buyer's standpoint because if you can't buy it then how are you able to exercise your right of owning it? That's like saying 'you can still conceal a firearm, you just need a license for it' and then not granting any licenses. Again, I'm not FORCING them to do anything. It's their choice to not sell it but it's our choice to be informed buyers who don't support companies who choose to do so.
How is this a difficult concept for some to grasp?
We don't all march in lockstep to your personal ideology. ;)
Who says you have to do anything 'lockstep' because I say so? Shouldn't you WANT to support or not support those who reflect your ideals and rights? There are thousands of vendors where you can spend your money and you want to defend one that CHOSE to not support our community? Why?
hghclsswhitetrsh
06-14-2016, 13:55
When will you guys ever learn that Jer is never wrong? [emoji22][emoji22][emoji22][emoji22][emoji22]
Is that like saying "You can still get your cake baked but you just cant get it here."?
DenverGP
06-14-2016, 16:35
Is that like saying "You can still get your cake baked but you just cant get it here."?
Yup, and the people who wanted the cake (or the scary black gun) are entitled to bitch and moan and encourage a boycott of that business all they want. But it would be stupid for anyone to think the government would step in and force the business to sell something they didn't want to.
Yup, and the people who wanted the cake (or the scary black gun) are entitled to bitch and moan and encourage a boycott of that business all they want. But it would be stupid for anyone to think the government would step in and force the business to sell something they didn't want to.
Unless it's maternity coverage and birth control pills.
sellersm
06-14-2016, 20:05
All vendors that I've been watching have raised prices.
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DenverGP
06-14-2016, 22:17
I've been very impressed that sportsman's guide has kept their ammo prices the same, right around 30 cents per round on the wolf gold 223, and not much more on several other varieties of 223 ammo.
Colorado Fatboy
06-15-2016, 20:08
I've been very impressed that sportsman's guide has kept their ammo prices the same, right around 30 cents per round on the wolf gold 223, and not much more on several other varieties of 223 ammo.
Too bad it's backordered until August 27. By then who knows what may happen. Going to keep my order in though.
Everytime I go to JAX it is filled with dreadlock hippies and northface wearing hipsters. Gun and ammo prices are stupid expensive. The only thing that interests me is they have a huge selection of mill surplus stuff.
Hmm. The few times I browsed the Loveland store - used to be a regular stop on the way up to the hunt area - most of the "milsurp" stuff I looked at seemed like it was Chinese knock off crap.
DenverGP
06-16-2016, 18:53
Too bad it's backordered until August 27. By then who knows what may happen. Going to keep my order in though.
I had 2 thousand rounds of PPU back-ordered from them last year... Ordered it in Jan, backorder said June, got a shipping notification in April.
funkymonkey1111
06-16-2016, 18:58
again, don't know what load was raised, but SG has Tula .223 at $219/1000 at the time of this post, and that was the price last week. That may not be what you shoot, but that's irrelevant. the price on that load hasn't gone up and it's in stock (again, as of this post)
hollohas
06-16-2016, 19:46
SGammo is my go to source. Love those guys. Their pricing is consistantly good, shipping rates are reasonable, it is fast and even though they may have raised prices a small percentage, they are always the first to drop back down after demand slows down.
Speaking of Jax, some big name east coast sports store just pulled the EBR's off the shelf and out of their ads because of Orlando. They were still going to sell them, you just couldn't see them...
Anyway, Daniel Defense said eff that and terminated their resale account. DD cancled all open orders and pending shipments they had. Private stores are free to be dumb, manufactures are free to not sell to them. That's the way it should always work.
Cujo0920
06-18-2016, 17:34
Ammo is going to be pricer because brass, lead, copper, etc. are going up due to the weakening of the dollar (or more accurately, the Federal Reserve's debasement of the currency). All commodity prices, which are dollar-denominated, are headed higher. The possible exception might be Russian ammo, if the ruble weakens against the dollar due to a drop in oil prices.
hollohas
06-18-2016, 18:18
That may only be partially true. For example, copper is crazy low right now.
The bottom price of ammo is controled largely by commodities. Anything above that is driven largely by supply/demand.
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