Big E3
06-15-2016, 20:47
I was at Cabela's Lone Tree yesterday and found a couple of interesting guns. They were both Polish P-64's in 9 x 18 Makarov. I have had one for years so thought if the price was right I might get another. I looked at one from the used gun section and one from the new gun section. What I found interesting was that one was claimed to be "new" since they were all made during the cold war in Poland and production discontinued in the mid 80's. These never left Poland until the cold war ended and production had stopped. So I ask the gun guy how these could be new? He said they came from Century Arms International and they are new. Every one of these that I have seen is stamped CAI so nothing new there. I proceeded to tell him the P-64 production started in the early 60's and continued into the 80's when it was replaced by the P-83. All the while comparing each gun to the other, the slide on the "used" gun was stamped 1976 and the "new" gun was stamped 1968, which I pointed out. I also pointed out the holster wear on each gun. The counter guy listened and said he would talk to the gun buyer to find out how this 1968 gun was considered new, and I left.
Today I returned and could not locate the guy I had dealt with so I had a different guy show me the new gun and asked if he knew why these were considered new, no idea. The used gun was no where to be found and that was fine with me because it was $289.99 with one mag and "new one" was $224.99 with two mags. One of the reasons I was trying to get the gun as "used" was because of the sale, 10% off on all used guns in stock. They never budged on the price or there position that they are new.
At the gun check out section one guy kept saying they got them from CAI refurbished and therefore they are consider new. What really got my goat was even though the Polish P64 is clearly listed on the C&R list he said it could not be sold to me as a C&R because it was refurbished. I told him to his face, as I was going through the two f***ing hour BGC, that I would be selling it as a C&R, no response. I asked if he had any paper work to back his claim that these are now considered new, nope he didn't.
So my question, is it even remotely possible when a used C&R gun is refurbished it is now considered new and can't be sold as a C&R? Nothing internally or externally has been changed on the gun all the same original parts, caliber and configuration. Can they get in any kind trouble with the Feds claiming a clearly used gun is new and selling it as such? In my years with my FFL and now with a C&R I have never heard such a claim.
Today I returned and could not locate the guy I had dealt with so I had a different guy show me the new gun and asked if he knew why these were considered new, no idea. The used gun was no where to be found and that was fine with me because it was $289.99 with one mag and "new one" was $224.99 with two mags. One of the reasons I was trying to get the gun as "used" was because of the sale, 10% off on all used guns in stock. They never budged on the price or there position that they are new.
At the gun check out section one guy kept saying they got them from CAI refurbished and therefore they are consider new. What really got my goat was even though the Polish P64 is clearly listed on the C&R list he said it could not be sold to me as a C&R because it was refurbished. I told him to his face, as I was going through the two f***ing hour BGC, that I would be selling it as a C&R, no response. I asked if he had any paper work to back his claim that these are now considered new, nope he didn't.
So my question, is it even remotely possible when a used C&R gun is refurbished it is now considered new and can't be sold as a C&R? Nothing internally or externally has been changed on the gun all the same original parts, caliber and configuration. Can they get in any kind trouble with the Feds claiming a clearly used gun is new and selling it as such? In my years with my FFL and now with a C&R I have never heard such a claim.