View Full Version : 30 to 40 Guns Stolen from Colorado Gun Broker
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/front-range/littleton/30-40-guns-stolen-in-smash-and-grab-robbery
Deputies said only hand guns were stolen, no long guns or ammunition.
More info...
http://www.denverpost.com/2016/06/21/colorado-gun-broker-robbery-jefferson-county-smash-and-grab/
The store’s surveillance cameras were not working, but the burglars triggered a silent alarm, Techmeyer said.
Wow.
But I thought background checks and banning magazines over 15rds was supposed to put an end to this kind of thing… We clearly need more common-sense reasonable gun control laws.
But I thought background checks and banning magazines over 15rds was supposed to put an end to this kind of thing… We clearly need more common-sense reasonable gun control laws.
Exactly.
If you read the Libtard comments.... "If there weren't any gun stores, those guns wouldn't be on the streets."
This has come up before...put them in a safe at night.
Hmmm, never heard of this place before. Yup, lock 'em in the safe.
Just a thought… Any chance these guns were worth more via insurance than they were retail?
It's 2016. Have a working CCTV system. It's not hard and it's not expensive.
Just a thought… Any chance these guns were worth more via insurance than they were retail?
That's a good question.
I don't know what rate/price is used, MSRP or some level of cost for a commercial insurance policy. But I'd have to estimate everything in that store would sell for more than cost in this climate.
This has come up before...put them in a safe at night.
Exactly.
My god the comments on that article are frustrating. I hate the argument that the 2nd is only meant for muskets. Does that mean the 1st doesn't apply to the internet or TV? Or that the 4th doesn't apply to my cell phone and computer?
Calculated
06-21-2016, 15:32
That's weird.. Surveillance system, not working...
KevDen2005
06-21-2016, 16:52
That's weird.. Surveillance system, not working...
I'm always suspicious when this is the case. It's 2016 and at a store like that. Especially in this political climate. I could definitely be assuming too much, but I do find it very odd.
Does Rich Wyatt have connections to the store?
Rucker61
06-21-2016, 16:57
My god the comments on that article are frustrating. I hate the argument that the 2nd is only meant for muskets. Does that mean the 1st doesn't apply to the internet or TV? Or that the 4th doesn't apply to my cell phone and computer?
My standard answer: multi-shot firearms in existence at ratification of the 2nd Amendment:
Cardiff superposed musket, 1682
Puckle gun, 1718
Belton repeating flintlock, 1777
Pepperbox revolver, 1780
Girandoni 20 shot repeating rifle, 1780
Electronic communication and data storage devices in existence at the ratification of the 1st and 4th Amendments:
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EvilRhino
06-21-2016, 18:46
8 camera Lorex on sale at Costco for less than 1 used Glock. It's like people who get 10+ guns stolen but didn't have a safe.
My god the comments on that article are frustrating. I hate the argument that the 2nd is only meant for muskets. Does that mean the 1st doesn't apply to the internet or TV? Or that the 4th doesn't apply to my cell phone and computer?
Along those lines, citizens are not given the freedom to worship religions established in the past 200+ years.
If you don't like the Constitution and its Amendments, change it. Until then, it is the law of the land...and grow up a bit and quit yer whining.
Must be the guys from ODGreen. I'm pretty sure they have a decent stash of ammo.
*peep*
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HoneyBadger
06-21-2016, 22:28
Must be the guys from ODGreen. I'm pretty sure they have a decent stash of ammo.
*peep*
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[LOL]
BPTactical
06-22-2016, 06:03
According to Channel 7 Triple J Armory got hit last night at 2am. Undisclosed amount of firearms stolen.
The conspiracy theorist in me says there is someone new in town that is trying to gear up for something. I have nothing to support that idea other than my imagination.
Bailey Guns
06-22-2016, 06:34
I know Josh (the owner) really well but haven't talked to him since I left Colorado. Wish I was there to get the inside scoop. Last time I was in the store (last fall) he had just installed a pretty substantial set of bars on the windows/doors. It didn't look like something that could easily be defeated in your typical smash and grab. And looking at the news footage there didn't appear to be a lot of damage to the front of the store, like someone yanked the security door off with a truck. At 00:35 in the 7News video you can clearly see the glass in the front door and the security door appear to be intact.
This has come up before...put them in a safe at night.
That's what I did. Take em out every morning, put em up every night. For 8 years. I also had HUGE rocks placed in front of my store to discourage "drive thrus". Putting in/taking out 150 - 200 guns every day, twice a day was a PITA...but I never had a gun stolen, either.
funkymonkey1111
06-22-2016, 06:44
The front door was simply pried open
I know Josh (the owner) really well but haven't talked to him since I left Colorado. Wish I was there to get the inside scoop. Last time I was in the store (last fall) he had just installed a pretty substantial set of bars on the windows/doors. It didn't look like something that could easily be defeated in your typical smash and grab. And looking at the news footage there didn't appear to be a lot of damage to the front of the store, like someone yanked the security door off with a truck. At 00:35 in the 7News video you can clearly see the glass in the front door and the security door appear to be intact.
That's what I did. Take em out every morning, put em up every night. For 8 years. I also had HUGE rocks placed in front of my store to discourage "drive thrus". Putting in/taking out 150 - 200 guns every day, twice a day was a PITA...but I never had a gun stolen, either.
Just saw new video. It appears that the front doors are flat on the ground.
GilpinGuy
06-22-2016, 07:03
If you don't like the Constitution and its Amendments, change it. Until then, it is the law of the land...and grow up a bit and quit yer whining.
I use this argument often. There is a mechanism in the Constitution to do this. But leftists prefer the easy way out by using the courts to get their way when they know the mechanism won't work for them.
According to Channel 7 Triple J Armory got hit last night at 2am. Undisclosed amount of firearms stolen.Yeah, they posted about it on FB this morning. No details disclosed on what got stolen.
ColoradoTJ
06-22-2016, 07:29
I know Josh (the owner) really well but haven't talked to him since I left Colorado. Wish I was there to get the inside scoop. Last time I was in the store (last fall) he had just installed a pretty substantial set of bars on the windows/doors. It didn't look like something that could easily be defeated in your typical smash and grab. And looking at the news footage there didn't appear to be a lot of damage to the front of the store, like someone yanked the security door off with a truck. At 00:35 in the 7News video you can clearly see the glass in the front door and the security door appear to be intact.
That's what I did. Take em out every morning, put em up every night. For 8 years. I also had HUGE rocks placed in front of my store to discourage "drive thrus". Putting in/taking out 150 - 200 guns every day, twice a day was a PITA...but I never had a gun stolen, either.
I could only imagine how much of a PITA that would be every day, but glad you locked them up. I do the same with my weapons when not in use.
Did you ever have a break in when in Colorado?
Bailey Guns
06-22-2016, 07:51
No...no attempts even. I had one gun stolen at a gun show...an HK pistol. Never turned up anywhere.
Littleton PD investigating a traffic crash with a small van possibly connected to the Triple J burglary-looks like handguns again were taken, ARs on display on the walls weren't taken.
My god the comments on that article are frustrating. I hate the argument that the 2nd is only meant for muskets. Does that mean the 1st doesn't apply to the internet or TV? Or that the 4th doesn't apply to my cell phone and computer?
No, the Founding Fathers Would Not Have Objected To Assault Weapon Ownership Or Any Weapon At Allhttp://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/06/15/founding-fathers-objected-assault-weapon-ownership-weapon/
. . . . At the time of the ratification of the Bill or Rights possession of artillery by private citizens was commonplace. Shocked? Well, in the American Revolution and the War of 1812 the United States relied upon privateers for most of its sea power. Privateers were privately owned ships crewed by civilians who contracted with the US government and operating under a letter of marque and reprisal to raid the commerce of enemy nations, primarily Britain. The ships were not subject to military discipline or command and they sold their captures for profit. These ships, and indeed most merchant vessels of the time, carried several cannon. It would be a safe bet to say that at ratification there were more cannon in the hands of civilians than in the hands of the US government.When Richard Gatling produced the eponymous Gatling Gun it was produced in a privately owned factory, not in a US Armory. They were also available for sale to private citizens. They were purchased by numerous railroad and mine owners as an insurance policy against strikes. (see Mr. Gatling's Terrible Marvel (https://www.amazon.com/Mr-Gatlings-Terrible-Marvel-Misunderstood/dp/0143115642/))
No, The Founding Fathers Would Not Have Objected To Assault Weapon Ownership Or Any Weapon At All
Posted at 1:30 pm on June 15, 2016 by streiff (http://www.redstate.com/streiff)
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From the Islamic terrorist attack on an Orlando, Florida, catering, so reports say, mainly to homosexuals, a garden industry has sprung up trying to convince the credulous that the Founding Fathers, the authors of the Second Amendment, could never have contemplated ownership of an AR-15 when writing the Constitution. The second part of the argument is that the Constitution did not contemplate the ownership of "weapons of war."
Both arguments and superficial, shallow, and stupid.
Let's visit the stupidest of the stupid. A guy named Christopher Ingraham, a Washington Post reporter, writes What ‘arms’ looked like when the 2nd Amendment was written (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/13/the-men-who-wrote-the-2nd-amendment-would-never-recognize-an-ar-15/). Before going further I want to make two observations. First, his contribution appears on the Washington Post feature called "Wonkblog." Wonk, if you don't know it, is a term that the left gives to young, failed male, liberal arts grads in order to make other people think they are smart. Ingraham's qualifications to write about firearms and American history are immense. From his LinkedIn profile:
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This is his argument:
Of course, semiautomatic firearms technology didn't exist in any meaningful sense in the era of the founding fathers. They had something much different in mind when they drafted the Second Amendment. The typical firearms of the day were muskets and flintlock pistols. They could hold a single round at a time, and a skilled shooter could hope to get off three or possibly four rounds in a minute of firing. By all accounts they were not particularly accurate either.
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But evolving technology does call for evolving regulation. And, in practice, the implementation of the Second Amendment has never been strictly "absolute." Most gun owners accept that civilians typically can't own fully automatic rifles or tanks or nuclear weapons. Our understanding of the "arms" of the Second Amendment has evolved over the years, subject to shifts in political and legal norms.
First, the Founders were one of the most amazing groups of men to ever inhabit the same geographical space at the same time. To say that they did not anticipate advances in firearms beyond the flintlock musket is simply ludicrous. In fact, during their lives weapons were beginning to improve markedly. During the American Revolution, a few hundred Ferguson rifles, a breechloading flintlock rifle, were used by the British Army and, it seems, some Loyalist North Carolina troops. The Founders, or at least George Washington who faced some Ferguson equipped troops at Brandywine, would have been aware of this advance over the musket.
Around 1779, well before the US Constitution was drafted, Bartholomäus Girardoni invented a very practical and very lethal air rifle (http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/the-girandoni-air-rifle/) that was used by selected units in the Austrian Army between 1780 and 1815. These weapons were known by the Founders and a Girondoni was among the equipment purchased from civilian sources by the Lewis and Clark Expedition. And just to be clear, the Girondonis were considered to be monstrous and unfair weapons. In the early part of the French Revolutionary Wars, the French army made any soldier captured with a Girondoni liable to summary execution.
The idea that no one anticipated rapid fire weapons at the time of the drafting of the Constitution is beyond silly. In fact, if we ignore the plain English of the Second Amendment and adopt the left's idea of what constitutes a militia (hint to the left, Title X, US Code defines the militia of the United States as males aged 17-45), then clearly the Founders intended for private citizens to own the most advanced weaponry that was available.
So, no. The Founders were aware of advances in weapon design and did not wet themselves at the thought that citizens might possess them.
The second argument, Ingraham's "fully automatic rifles or tanks or nuclear weapons," is also specious.
As you move forward in history you find advanced weaponry first appearing on the commercial market and the military are late adapters. During the Civil War, troops bought repeating rifles at their own expense. Spencer and Sharps and Henry and Winchester repeating rifles were all available privately while the US Army used the rifled musket. At the Little Big Horn, Custer's men were armed with the single-shot, breechloading "Trap Door" Springfield, the Indians with a mixture of repeating rifles. It wasn't until 1894 that the US Army adopted a repeating rifle, the Krag-Jorgensen, which also gave us maybe the first song written in honor of a service rifle:
Underneath the starry flag, civilize 'em with a Krag,
And return us to our own beloved homes.
When the WW I Army demobilized, soldiers were allowed to take their M1903 Springfields home with them. These found use by both miners and ad hoc militias in the Mine Wars of the 1920s.
All of these actions show that for most of American history the arms owned by private citizens were or par with or superior to the weapons used by the US military and no one really cared. The clear inference is that the Founding Fathers would not only have not objected to citizens owning assault weapons but they would have encouraged it to ensure the citizen militia was not outgunned.
Sure, you say, but what about rocket lauchers and flame throwers and smallish nukes. No right thinking private citizen would want such things. The Founders clearly indicated that they did not object to civilian ownership of every conceivable weapon.
At the time of the ratification of the Bill or Rights possession of artillery by private citizens was commonplace. Shocked? Well, in the American Revolution and the War of 1812 the United States relied upon privateers for most of its sea power. Privateers were privately owned ships crewed by civilians who contracted with the US government and operating under a letter of marque and reprisal to raid the commerce of enemy nations, primarily Britain. The ships were not subject to military discipline or command and they sold their captures for profit. These ships, and indeed most merchant vessels of the time, carried several cannon. It would be a safe bet to say that at ratification there were more cannon in the hands of civilians than in the hands of the US government.
When Richard Gatling produced the eponymous Gatling Gun it was produced in a privately owned factory, not in a US Armory. They were also available for sale to private citizens. They were purchased by numerous railroad and mine owners as an insurance policy against strikes. (see Mr. Gatling's Terrible Marvel (https://www.amazon.com/Mr-Gatlings-Terrible-Marvel-Misunderstood/dp/0143115642/))
Commercial aircraft of the pre-World War II era were often more capable that their military counterparts and could have been pressed into service with minor modifications.
The economics of modern weaponry has made the argument about buying missiles, etc., a silly one. Few, if any, private citizens can afford to plunk down $7 million for an M1 Abrams and have the income stream to keep it repaired and running. If someone did, even with the main gun still attached, I am at a loss to see how that presents an imminent danger to anyone. Even so, if George Soros or Warren Buffet want to buy a small fleet of F-35s rather than corrupting the United States with their left wing idiocy fueled by billions of dollars, I have no problem with it.
The idea that the government has the right to forbid you to own a specific type of weaponry is new, it is dangerous, and it is a trend that is foreign to the thinking of the Founders and traditions of the nation.
No...no attempts even. I had one gun stolen at a gun show...an HK pistol. Never turned up anywhere.
Have you asked Spyder?
Littleton PD investigating a traffic crash with a small van possibly connected to the Triple J burglary-looks like handguns again were taken, ARs on display on the walls weren't taken.
Shaking my head...
If only someone could invent a big metal box to put guns in when these stores weren't open. The box would need a good lock and be heavy enough to be difficult to move or able to be fastened to a concrete floor (which almost all retail space has).
Seem feasible to make such a thing, but would these stores buy them?
kidicarus13
06-22-2016, 10:40
According to Channel 7 Triple J Armory got hit last night at 2am. Undisclosed amount of firearms stolen.
At about 1:45 a.m., officers from the Littleton Police Department responded to Triple J Armory, 311 E. County Line Road, on a burglary call. Upon arrival, officers found significant damage to the front of the building and numerous firearms missing from the store. The investigation is ongoing, but it appears that between 20 and 30 guns were stolen.
Witnesses described seeing a white van drive into the front of the building and several suspects entering the store and leaving a short time later. Based on the similarities with a gun store burglary in Jefferson County the previous day, investigators from the Littleton Police Department are working cooperatively with investigators from the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) on a joint investigation. Investigators are trying to determine if a white van involved in an accident in Denver is related to these crimes.
Shaking my head...
If only someone could invent a big metal box to put guns in when these stores weren't open. The box would need a good lock and be heavy enough to be difficult to move or able to be fastened to a concrete floor (which almost all retail space has).
Seem feasible to make such a thing, but would these stores buy them?
You'd have to think up a name for this thing too. Not quite sure what you'd call it but it seems like a safe place to keep things you don't want stolen.
Great-Kazoo
06-22-2016, 10:52
You'd have to think up a name for this thing too. Not quite sure what you'd call it but it seems like a safe place to keep things you don't want stolen.
A vault ?
You'd have to think up a name for this thing too. Not quite sure what you'd call it but it seems like a safe place to keep things you don't want stolen.
Theft-Be-Gone
Hands off my Shizz
Can't Touch This
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I don't know, but you're right, it needs a good name.
You'd think a sign on a door, or even hung on a rope across a doorway, with the words "Authorized Personnel Only" would suffice.
This happened at "The Shootist" in Englewood a while back. It absolutely baffles me that a gun store would not lock up their inventory at night in an adequate safe. The first thing I thought when I read the article was "insurance fraud" because the owners couldn't be that stupid to leave unsecure inventory out after business hours. Also the non-functional security system to me is a huge red flag. It just doesn't add up. Regardless, I hope they recover those firearms before they end up south of the border or used in the commission of a crime.
You'd think a sign on a door, or even hung on a rope across a doorway, with the words "Authorized Personnel Only" would suffice.
I hear you can get Authorized Person Cards the same place you get fake IDs.
I hear you can get Authorized Person Cards the same place you get fake IDs.
You and I will never know since we're not filthy criminals.
BPTactical
06-22-2016, 11:55
Maybe if they put up a "No Burglar's Allowed" sign there would be no burglaries....
GilpinGuy
06-22-2016, 11:56
You'd think a sign on a door, or even hung on a rope across a doorway, with the words "Authorized Personnel Only" would suffice.
Kinda like "Gun Free Zone". Those signs work awesome.
You are all wrong, straight from the Administration: http://hotair.com/archives/2016/06/21/loretta-lynch-our-most-effective-response-to-terror-is-compassion-unity-and-love/
Give them all a big hug, and have a goat outside, the criminals will leave you alone.
buffalobo
06-22-2016, 17:13
You are all wrong, straight from the Administration: http://hotair.com/archives/2016/06/21/loretta-lynch-our-most-effective-response-to-terror-is-compassion-unity-and-love/
Give them all a big hug, and have a goat outside, the criminals will leave you alone.
Why the goat hate?
#goatdignitymatters
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I bet neither one of these shops had the proper deterrent signage posted, like "Stealing Guns Is Prohibited". If only they would have had just a simple little sign on the front door this would have never happened. Some people just shouldn't be allowed to have a business.
OneGuy67
06-23-2016, 12:34
Drove by Triple J yesterday; big hole being fixed. Front door frame and the frames/windows on both sides of the door.
Grant H.
06-23-2016, 13:11
Proper security is important...
I too am baffled by the number of stores I know that don't lock their inventory up at night.
TripleJArmory
08-02-2016, 23:27
New to using the forums - wanted to reach out to everyone. The break-in was not an enjoyable event by any means, but we were humbled by the outreach from our customers and the community. Wanted to send a thank you out to everyone who called, stopped by or thought of us. I wish I had more information about them catching the criminals, but not at the moment.
Happy to answer questions
JD
Triple J Armory
jerrymrc
08-03-2016, 06:12
New to using the forums - wanted to reach out to everyone. The break-in was not an enjoyable event by any means, but we were humbled by the outreach from our customers and the community. Wanted to send a thank you out to everyone who called, stopped by or thought of us. I wish I had more information about them catching the criminals, but not at the moment.
Happy to answer questions
JD
Triple J Armory
Sad to hear. Welcome to our world. Many here with there ear to the ground so to speak.
Bailey Guns
08-03-2016, 07:13
New to using the forums - wanted to reach out to everyone. The break-in was not an enjoyable event by any means, but we were humbled by the outreach from our customers and the community. Wanted to send a thank you out to everyone who called, stopped by or thought of us. I wish I had more information about them catching the criminals, but not at the moment.
Happy to answer questions
JD
Triple J Armory
Sorry for the trouble the scumbags inflicted upon you. Hoping you/your business recovers quickly and completely. Having something like that happen was one of my biggest worries for the 8 years I owned a shop.
TripleJArmory
08-03-2016, 11:14
Appreciate the kind words guys. It took a little, but we recovered well and thank goodness had good insurance.
@Bailey Guns, we had our books in order and could account for everything NFA, which was my biggest worry. Only stolen guns.
Triple J is a great store. Good stuff, good folks and very knowledgeable.
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