Prayers for cali

[beast556]

Looks like California gun owners just lost the battle. Jerry Brown signed most of the gun bills on his desk. Looks like no more semi auto rifles, mag ban have to turn in granfatherd mags and background checks for ammo and no more Internet ammo sales. Sad day for cali gun owners. I know I know fuck CA, but there are tons of good honest conservative people there. Frisco,LA,Hollywood fuck the whole state kinda like how denver and boulder screw us.

[Gunner]

Wow


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[Gunner]

Well we will let them be the proof that stricter guns laws do nothing


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[roberth]

Our preview of a Klinton presidency. http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-essential-politics-updates-gov-brown-signs-six-gun-control-bills-1467394282-htmlstory.html

Bills the governor signed will:

— Require an ID and background check to purchase ammunition and create a new state database of ammunition owners
— Ban possession of ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 bullets.
— Restrict the loaning of guns without background checks to close family members.
Bills the governor vetoed would have:
— Clarified that theft of a firearm is grand theft and is punishable as a felony.
— Require those who make guns at home to register them with the state and get a serial number so the weapons can be tracked.
— Required stolen or lost guns to be reported within five days.
— Limited Californians to the purchase of one rifle or shotgun per month


SECTION 1.

Section 32310 of the Penal Code is amended to read:
32310.

(a) Except as provided in Article 2 (commencing with Section 32400) of this chapter and in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 17700) of Division 2 of Title 2, any person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, buys, or receives any large-capacity magazine is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170.
(b) Except as provided in Article 2 (commencing with Section 32400) of this chapter and in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 17700) of Division 2 of Title 2, commencing July 1, 2017, any person in this state who possesses any large-capacity magazine, regardless of the date the magazine was acquired, is guilty of an infraction punishable by a fine not to exceed one hundred dollars ($100) upon the first offense, by a fine not to exceed two hundred fifty dollars ($250) upon the second offense, and by a fine not to exceed five hundred dollars ($500) upon the third or subsequent offense.
(c) A person who, prior to July 1, 2017, legally possesses a large-capacity magazine shall dispose of that magazine by any of the following means:
(1) Remove the large-capacity magazine from the state.
(2) Prior to July 1, 2017, sell the large-capacity magazine to a licensed firearms dealer.
(3) Destroy the large-capacity magazine.
(4) Surrender the large-capacity magazine to a law enforcement agency for destruction.
(d) For purposes of this section, “manufacturing” includes both fabricating a magazine and assembling a magazine from a combination of parts, including, but not limited to, the body, spring, follower, and floor plate or end plate, to be a fully functioning large-capacity magazine.
(e) The provisions of this section are cumulative and shall not be construed as restricting the application of any other law. However, an act or omission punishable in different ways by different provisions of this code shall not be punished under more than one provision.

[Dave_L]

Just remember, we used to not have mag limits too. This madness will spread.

[Gunner]

Haha turn in my grandfathers mags! Oh man that's funny


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[roberth]

I wonder how many pro-gun liberals will follow these laws and then turn around and rat out their fellow gun owners.

Effing liberals.

[colorider]

This is a sad day for America. If Clinton is elected, it's going to happen to the whole country.

[68Charger]

Now if only they had recreational MJ, then we could just start loading half the population of Denver on buses next week!

[Ramsker]

If they think this is bad . . . wait til they put Newsom in office. That will be the end to ANY veto of gun control legislation and he'll sign everything that hits his desk.

[68Charger]

This is a sad day for America. If Clinton is elected, it's going to happen to the whole country.

Civil disobedience... it will happen in CA (already does), even more so in some other states.

I know there isn't an LEO that has jurisdiction over me at my home that would bring charges... even with the issues this county has, they don't buy into even what Denver has already forced upon us.

[colorider]

Now if only they had recreational MJ, then we could just start loading half the population of Denver on buses next week!
They are voting on this soon. I'm sure it will pass too. Hopefully a bunch of the Colorado weedies will move to California becaise it is a better climate to be a vagrant in.

[Skip]

They are voting on this soon. I'm sure it will pass too. Hopefully a bunch of the Colorado weedies will move to California becaise it is a better climate to be a vagrant in.

Can we trade for some Cali Conservatives?

I wouldn't mind having some transplants here who understand what is at risk.

I predict dark days for California ahead. As gun control fails they will do what collectivists always do... Implement more of their failed policies.

[kidicarus13]

Prayers?! Isn't this a reap-sow thing?

[Zundfolge]

This is a sad day for America. If Clinton is elected, it's going to happen to the whole country.
Civil disobedience... it will happen in CA (already does), even more so in some other states.

My disobedience won't be civil.

I will not turn in one single magazine nor round of ammunition.
I will not register any gun.
I certainly will not peacefully turn in any firearm.

If Clinton wins and gets her way I don't expect to live to see 50.

[hurley842002]

Prayers?! Isn't this a reap-sow thing?

Same could be said for us here in Colorado...

[BigDee]

Can we trade for some Cali Conservatives?

I wouldn't mind having some transplants here who understand what is at risk.

I predict dark days for California ahead. As gun control fails they will do what collectivists always do... Implement more of their failed policies.

I'm one of them. Born and raised in Southern California, moved here and loved the freedoms afforded to me while it was still a conservative state.

Unfortunately all of my family moved here at the same time I did and their votes cancel out mine. They're all hardcore Dem's. It's actually interesting to watch the transition, my family wonders why Colorado is becoming just like California and not for the better. I've told them time and time again the reason for the negative change is due to all of the California democrats moving here and voting the same way they did in California which is leading to the same political BS they experienced in California.

I've got 15 more years until my youngest son is hopefully off to college and I can leave the state. South Carolina or AZ is where I'll most likely end up.


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[Gman]

Same could be said for us here in Colorado...
Libtards in big cities are dictating to the rest of the country. This is not just in CA and CO.

I fully expect Sheriffs in conservative locales to not enforce these laws.

[kidicarus13]

Same could be said for us here in Colorado...
I agree. Legalize marijuana (among other things) and wonder why more liberals are moving here voting D.

[Great-Kazoo]

Prayers?! Isn't this a reap-sow thing?


Same could be said for us here in Colorado...

Exactly. The Politicians decided what's best for the people, without and input from gun owners. Once again, as we witnessed during the public input at the capitol. The politicians, Ignored any credible person. Instead doing what they do best, suppress Common Sense

[Erni]

And that whole illogical hostility is why I said f this place and moved here with my "arsenal".

But the root of this mess is the stupid bs they foust on the kids in school.

May we live in interesting times.

[buffalobo]

Another step on the path...

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[brutal]

Bills the governor signed will:

Do absolutely nothing to curb evil

[sroz]

Can we trade for some Cali Conservatives?

I wouldn't mind having some transplants here who understand what is at risk.

I predict dark days for California ahead. As gun control fails they will do what collectivists always do... Implement more of their failed policies.

Yep. Maybe now we can get some 2A California transplants. Can't help but feel bad for them.

[jhood001]

I don't wish harm on other humans that I disagree with, but we may see how their views of firearm ownership change if/when something truly bad happens there.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sections-of-san-andreas-fault-overdue-for-major-earthquake/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUGB0SKkKVw

[ray1970]

Shouldn't California be it's own little island by now? What ever happened with that silly San Andreas fault?

[hurley842002]

Libtards in big cities are dictating to the rest of the country. This is not just in CA and CO.

I fully expect Sheriffs in conservative locales to not enforce these laws.

Precisely what I was getting at...

[hatidua]

Looks like California gun owners just lost the battle. Jerry Brown signed most of the gun bills on his desk.

Surf, ski - same day [fag]

[bczandm]

Does anyone know if there is any provision for the reimbursement of the property they are requiring to be turned in? If not It will be interesting to see if they can do that legally. I'd guess they can but I'd think that would be challenged in court.

[dorsum]

Very sad day

[Great-Kazoo]

And people discount the importance of this election, it isn't about D or R or Trump or Hillary or blah blah blah blah blah.

It's about the Supreme Court. If we lose in November, this will be deemed constitutional and many things thereafter. Anyone that isn't satisfied with the options (everyone) or that wants to stick it to the man and "show them" by voting third party is only shooting them self in the foot with a Single Shot Break Open 22. Because deer.

FIF Everyone

[68Charger]

The only problem with depending on your local sherrifs to not enforce, is your giving them a big license to hunt you down if their attitude ever shifts.

Get a LEO that has a problem with you? Citation written... problems begin. Are they interested in you for other reasons? Great, your magazines give them a convenient loophole.

You really can't rely on living in a locale like that imho.

Yep, moving to TX... first offer fell thru... probably too close to town and lacked privacy.

Have one of the origninal #1 on the list that is still available... it's even not flat!

[kidicarus13]

Yep, moving to TX... first offer fell thru... probably too close to town and lacked privacy.

Have one of the origninal #1 on the list that is still available... it's even not flat!
Good luck to you in Texas but it will not shield you from Billary or the US Supreme Court swing.

[Great-Kazoo]

Good luck to you in Texas but it will not shield you from Billary or the US Supreme Court swing.


Once the Illegals are allowed to vote, legally. TX might as well be CA. Till then (12 months) it will still be a decent place to live.

[68Charger]

Good luck to you in Texas but it will not shield you from Billary or the US Supreme Court swing.


Once the Illegals are allowed to vote, legally. TX might as well be CA. Till then (12 months) it will still be a decent place to live.

IF TX falls, the union has failed.. Civil disobedience will still be an option until they Molon Labe...
if succession doesn't occur right after that...

[Big E3]

At least now we know where they enemy will land unopposed when they invade our country.

[Skip]

At least now we know where they enemy will land unopposed when they invade our country.

Makes one hell of a beachhead doesn't it?

[HoneyBadger]

(c) A person who, prior to July 1, 2017, legally possesses a large-capacity magazine shall dispose of that magazine by any of the following means:
(1) Remove the large-capacity magazine from the state.
(2) Prior to July 1, 2017, sell the large-capacity magazine to a licensed firearms dealer.
(3) Destroy the large-capacity magazine.
(4) Surrender the large-capacity magazine to a law enforcement agency for destruction.

Well, It's a good thing I just destroyed any standard-capacity magazines I may have had in my possession. [mop]



Can we trade for some Cali Conservatives?
Trust me, I'm working on it as best as I can....


I'm not about to advocate that anyone should break any laws, but... wait... Yes I am. An unjust law does not deserve your ignorant compliance. Ever. End of story.

[jmg8550]

IF TX falls, the union has failed.. Civil disobedience will still be an option until they Molon Labe...
if succession doesn't occur right after that...


Why does everyone think Texas is the last hope for gun rights? This is the state that just recently recognized open carry. Austin is also one of the most liberal cities in the USA. You want gun friendly... look at Wyoming. Yeah it's windy, yeah the weather can be harsh, but at least this state's representatives for the most part still believe in state's rights.

[BPTactical]

Civil disobedience... it will happen



Pretty well past "Civil" time doncha think?

Sadly, historically as CA goes, so goes CO.




Stop the planet, I want off........

[68Charger]

Why does everyone think Texas is the last hope for gun rights? This is the state that just recently recognized open carry. Austin is also one of the most liberal cities in the USA. You want gun friendly... look at Wyoming. Yeah it's windy, yeah the weather can be harsh, but at least this state's representatives for the most part still believe in state's rights.

Because Wyoming doesn't have enough electoral votes to swing any election
It's not all about gun rights, it's about defending the country from enemies within
Yes, Austin is liberal- but the majority of the state is still conservative.... compare to Colorado where over half the state population is in liberal Denver metro and has already dictated their policies on the rural population.

My point is that if TX goes blue, this country is done- gun rights and all... it was a big deal when they swung Colorado, which has 3x the electoral votes that Wyoming has

[Gman]

Yes, Austin is liberal- but the majority of the state is still conservative.... compare to Colorado where over half the state population is in liberal Denver metro and has already dictated their policies on the rural population.
Another point is that the TX legislature is only in session for 140 days every 2 years.

[Aloha_Shooter]

It's about the Supreme Court. If we lose in November, this will be deemed constitutional and many things thereafter. Anyone that isn't satisfied with the options (everyone) or that wants to stick it to the man and "show them" by voting third party is only shooting themself in the foot with a 15, no sorry, a 10, no sorry, a seven, wait, a five, no, lets settle on a three round magazine for a 22LR. Because deer.

No, they're shooting the REST of us in the face because of the "I hate Trump/Establishment GOP/GOP/social conservatives/anti-drug conservatives/whatever conservatives" mantra.

[hatidua]

My point is that if TX goes blue

Not if, when. One need look no further than demographics and birth rates.

[Bailey Guns]

No, they're shooting the REST of us in the face because of the "I hate Trump/Establishment GOP/GOP/social conservatives/anti-drug conservatives/whatever conservatives" mantra.

Yeah. I'll NEVER get that. Whatever. I don't wanna get into this time around.

[Bailey Guns]

Not if, when. One need look no further than demographics and birth rates.

Exactly. TX is on the fast track to being the next CO.

[roberth]

No, they're shooting the REST of us in the face because of the "I hate Trump/Establishment GOP/GOP/social conservatives/anti-drug conservatives/whatever conservatives" mantra.


Yeah. I'll NEVER get that. Whatever. I don't wanna get into this time around.

Agreed.

[buffalobo]

Not if, when. One need look no further than demographics and birth rates.
History shows, birth rate is tough to beat.

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[68Charger]

Maybe if a state removed entitlement programs (and somehow blocked federal programs), then those that are the problem would move to other states...

But now I know I'm dreaming

[Bailey Guns]

Can't get the chart to post correctly. The bottom line is, this is how the population growth in Texas has gone from 2010 to 2014.

White up 2.5%
Black up 8.6%
Hispanic up 9.4%






2010
2014
Percent change


White
11,447,157
11,735,074
2.5%


Black
2,911,689
3,161,811
8.6%


Hispanic
9,515,924
10,411,340
9.4%

[Bailey Guns]

Huge Latino Support for Democrats in Presidential, Senate and House Races Shows Texas May Not Be Red for Long


From: http://americasvoice.org/press_releases/new-poll-how-texas-latino-and-new-citizen-voters-influenced-the-2012-elections/

The 2012 elections demonstrate that Latino and new citizen voters are changing politics in Texas and around the country. Newly-released election-eve polling from impreMedia and Latino Decisions – which surveyed Latino voters nationally and in eleven states, including Texas – shows how the candidates’ positions on immigration and other top issues were pivotal in determining Latino voters’s political choices and the election results.


In Texas, the new polling shows Latino voters supported Obama over Romney by a dramatic 70% to 29%, for a net contribution of 10.6 percentage points to Obama (based on Latino Decisions’ estimate that Latinos comprised 26.6% of the Texas electorate). In the Senate race, where high profile Latino Republican, Ted Cruz, was running, Latinos still supported Democrat Paul Sadler over Cruz by a margin of 65% to 35%, showing once again that Republicans cannot win over Latinos merely by running Latino candidates. The issues do matter.

[HoneyBadger]

But now I know I'm dreaming
Yes, you are.

Once the government giveth, the government cannot taketh away.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Huge Latino Support for Democrats in Presidential, Senate and House Races Shows Texas May Not Be Red for Long




From: http://americasvoice.org/press_releases/new-poll-how-texas-latino-and-new-citizen-voters-influenced-the-2012-elections/

... and that is why you saw Cruz and Rubio attempting to bridge to the Hispanic vote. If we want to keep the republic, we need to show people from all demographics why they should be more supportive of the party of freedom, family values, and American traditions rather than the party of totalitarianism, Marxism, and anti-Westernism.

[Great-Kazoo]

Yes, you are.

Once the government giveth, the people don't want the government to taketh away.

[Skip]

Yes, you are.

Once the government giveth, the government cannot taketh away.

Gov can only give what they take from us. Gov is incapable of creating anything.

So what if they couldn't take?

Something to ponder this weekend thinking about the evil dead white men who gave up far more than we would have to in order to rein it in.

[Bailey Guns]

... and that is why you saw Cruz and Rubio attempting to bridge to the Hispanic vote. If we want to keep the republic, we need to show people from all demographics why they should be more supportive of the party of freedom, family values, and American traditions rather than the party of totalitarianism, Marxism, and anti-Westernism.

You and I (and, of course, most on this forum) know that. But it's hard to get others to recognize that when freedom is competing with "free".

[wctriumph]

Well, we could move to Idaho.

[Bailey Guns]

As much as I like it here I don't hold out hope that Idaho will last, either. Long enough for me to enjoy it and pass on, but it ain't gonna stay this way forever I don't think.

[Gman]

As much as I like it here I don't hold out hope that Idaho will last, either. Long enough for me to enjoy it and pass on, but it ain't gonna stay this way forever I don't think.
Well, I thought this country wouldn't go down the tubes before I passed, but here we are, circling the bowl.

[roberth]

Leftism is a pernicious virus.

[Great-Kazoo]

As much as I like it here I don't hold out hope that Idaho will last, either. Long enough for me to enjoy it and pass on, but it ain't gonna stay this way forever I don't think.

DON;T SAY THAT. Looking at 50 acres west of twin falls.

[hurley842002]

DON;T SAY THAT. Looking at 50 acres west of twin falls.

At least it should last longer than a good majority of the country. Still not sure what our plan is, AZ,TX,GA,FL, the Carolinas are all possibilities.

[crashdown]

We need to trust California to make good decisions that hopefully will soon be the law of the land....
Look what they did to the simple gas can to make it easier to use, less prone to spilling, and obviously better for the environment.

I now spill more gas filling up my mower or chainsaw one time than I would spill in 10 years with the previous design.

[ray1970]

We need to trust California to make good decisions that hopefully will soon be the law of the land....
Look what they did to the simple gas can to make it easier to use, less prone to spilling, and obviously better for the environment.

I now spill more gas filling up my mower or chainsaw one time than I would spill in 10 years with the previous design.

Amen. I spill way more with the new cans than I ever did with the old ones.

[Bailey Guns]

DON;T SAY THAT. Looking at 50 acres west of twin falls.

I was just saying that to keep all you Colofornians from moving here.

[Coffee]

[brutal]

We need to trust California to make good decisions that hopefully will soon be the law of the land....
Look what they did to the simple gas can to make it easier to use, less prone to spilling, and obviously better for the environment.

I now spill more gas filling up my mower or chainsaw one time than I would spill in 10 years with the previous design.


Amen. I spill way more with the new cans than I ever did with the old ones.

Exactly.

But I'm too cheap and ornery to buy the replacement spouts that do away with that dumb shit since they cost as much as a can..